Topic: Carroll - A sensible discussion.

[farawayred]

can someone tell me where this give a manager or a player 1 more season bollocks comes from ?

Pluctus rectum.   

[JoshWasTakenLFC]

I've seen enough and had enough of Carroll 35mill down the drain.

35mill we could of brought 2 great strikers with that ammount.

Terrible

[Lenin]

The bit where he moved behind Shelvey was astonishing. Think that was when Shelvey told him to get into the box. 

Really? I thought the bit were the defender handled his header off the line was astonishing, but hey ho, whatever floats your boat.

[Blade]

He might be the kit man?

Even if it is true, it only proves that he is a passionate young fella who hates to be substituted when he has taken an 80-minute abuse, and his team is losing. Personally, I am not too worried about Andy's and Pepe's attitude on Sunday. Something that can't be said about some other members of our team.

[lfcshaunod]

I've seen enough and had enough of Carroll 35mill down the drain.

35mill we could of brought 2 great strikers with that ammount.

Terrible

Which two strikers could we have got at such short notice?

Bearing in mind we werent the most attractive club at the time.

[buzzing]

Which two strikers could we have got at such short notice?

Bearing in mind we werent the most attractive club at the time.

Robbie on loan lol

[Blade]

no surprises then that we are in the current mess we are in at the moment

You should be really taking these ITKs with a pinch of salt, especially since Rafa has confirmed himself on a BBC show last week that Andy has been seriously scouted during his time as LFC manager.

[scoresagain]

Wasnt Bellamy binned for 3 games for discipinary reasons?

That was the rumour I heard, it was a calf injury according to the club. I just don't see him going straight down the tunnel as a big issue really, don't think Kenny would hold it against him either, but who knows.

[Lenin]

I don't know about you, but I couldn't care less if LFC has "ruined" Andy Carroll.

Would you care if LFC had ruined Lucas Leiva? Or Emiliano Insua?

Even if it is true, it only proves that he is a passionate young fella who hates to be substituted when he has taken an 80-minute abuse, and his team is losing. Personally, I am not a bit worried about Andy's and Pepe's attitude on Sunday. Something that can't be said about some other members of our team.

I agree totally. But djphal is a respected itk on here, so I would like to hear his input into what actually happened on Sunday as regards Andys actions. As oppossed to the hearsay, conjecture, wishful thinking and media bullshit that we have been presented with so far.

[JoshWasTakenLFC]

Which two strikers could we have got at such short notice?

Bearing in mind we werent the most attractive club at the time.

I'm not saying we needed to buy a striker we already had Suarez, we could have waited kept the 35mill but what contribution has Carroll made all season?
So if we didn't buy him wouldn't have been any different because he hasnt done anything anyways, he is a total shambles.

[lfcshaunod]

Robbie on loan lol

I would take that even now.

Presuming the robbie you speak of is Fowler.

[Lenin]

I'm not saying we needed to buy a striker we already had Suarez, we could have waited kept the 35mill but what contribution has Carroll made all season?
So if we didn't buy him wouldn't have been any different because he hasnt done anything anyways, he is a total shambles.

Do you not bother watching our cup games?

[AJG]

Really? I thought the bit were the defender handled his header off the line was astonishing, but hey ho, whatever floats your boat.

Except it wasn't his header was it

[lfcshaunod]

I'm not saying we needed to buy a striker we already had Suarez, we could have waited kept the 35mill but what contribution has Carroll made all season?
So if we didn't buy him wouldn't have been any different because he hasnt done anything anyways, he is a total shambles.

And if Suarez got injured? What then?

Hindsight is a beautiful thing, but a decision had to be made.

We needed a long term signing that seemed up to Liverpools standard who was playing for a club whos prospects were worse than Liverpools.

Andy Carroll ticked all the boxes and he had been playing brilliantly for Newcastle.

[JoshWasTakenLFC]

Do you not bother watching our cup games?

Oh jesus the six goals he has scored all season what a great contribution theres midfielders that have scored more than him, if your a striker your hired to score goals he lacks that and not being funny six goals? I think i've said enough you should be asking yourself that question.

[JoshWasTakenLFC]

And if Suarez got injured? What then?

Hindsight is a beautiful thing, but a decision had to be made.

We needed a long term signing that seemed up to Liverpools standard who was playing for a club whos prospects were worse than Liverpools.

Andy Carroll ticked all the boxes and he had been playing brilliantly for Newcastle.

He had one good season at Newcastle are you serious? before he even came into the premier league I bet the majority of you didn't even know who he was.
So please don't tell me he had a great season at Newcastle he scored 11 goals for them, for the quality of strikers Liverpool has been known to have in the past and now this? Terrible

[Gromit]

And if Suarez got injured? What then?

Hindsight is a beautiful thing, but a decision had to be made.

We needed a long term signing that seemed up to Liverpools standard who was playing for a club whos prospects were worse than Liverpools.

Andy Carroll ticked all the boxes and he had been playing brilliantly for Newcastle.

Except he was clearly injured and could hardly play for us that season anyway.  Kenny tried to brush this off by saying he was signed for the upcoming seasons, but it didn't excuse the fact we had no fit out and out strikers except Ngog.  Had Maxi and Kuyt not found unusual scoring form last season we would've been struggling then as well.

[Lenin]

Except it wasn't his header was it

Whose was it?

[Lenin]

Oh jesus the six goals he has scored all season what a great contribution theres midfielders that have scored more than him, if your a striker your hired to score goals he lacks that and not being funny six goals? I think i've said enough you should be asking yourself that question.

Have you watched our cup games? Do you think he made a massive contribution to our success in them?

[Gromit]

Do you not bother watching our cup games?

2 goals.  Both when we were already winning comfortably.

[alfonso]

And if Suarez got injured? What then?

A continuation of a lack of goals in the team.

[Lenin]

2 goals.  Both when we were already winning comfortably.

That was his contribution? Really?

[lfcshaunod]

He had one good season at Newcastle are you serious? before he even came into the premier league I bet the majority of you didn't even know who he was.
So please don't tell me he had a great season at Newcastle he scored 11 goals for them, for the quality of strikers Liverpool has been known to have in the past and now this? Terrible

Actually i saw plenty of him in the back end of the season they got relegated and while they were playing in the championahip and if you think he wasnt quality for Newcastle then you need a lesson in football mate.

To say that a target man like Andy Carroll should be all about goals then you have to be a fucking idiot.  He has shown plenty of times this season how well he can bring others into the game when the ball is put on his head.

Yeah obviously he could score a few more, but the fact that goals are all your basing your argument on shows that you know next to nothing about what someone with Carrolls attributes is put in the team for.

I mean when we signed him, were you expecting a tall version of Torres?

Go and look up some more stats about goals and stuff if you want, but my advice to you is take the time to just watch some football.

[Gromit]

That was his contribution? Really?

At a stretch he set up Kuyt for the winner vs Man U (Kuyt still had a lot to do).  You really are struggling now.  He doesn't score enough, that's just a fact.  And he's not the type to create lot of chances for others in the manner of Dalglish, Sheringham, Modric, Gerrard, etc.

He didn't choose his transfer fee, but he did choose to play for LFC.  And he's not justified his place here.

[JoshWasTakenLFC]

Have you watched our cup games? Do you think he made a massive contribution to our success in them?

No I don't think he has made any contribution what so ever, I find it hard to believe how anybody can defend Carroll.

[JoshWasTakenLFC]

At a stretch he set up Kuyt for the winner vs Man U (Kuyt still had a lot to do).  You really are struggling now.  He doesn't score enough, that's just a fact.  And he's not the type to create lot of chances for others in the manner of Dalglish, Sheringham, Modric, Gerrard, etc.

He didn't choose his transfer fee, but he did choose to play for LFC.  And he's not justified his place here.

I couldn't have put it any better myself.

[noname]

At a stretch he set up Kuyt for the winner vs Man U (Kuyt still had a lot to do).  You really are struggling now.  He doesn't score enough, that's just a fact.  And he's not the type to create lot of chances for others in the manner of Dalglish, Sheringham, Modric, Gerrard, etc.

He didn't choose his transfer fee, but he did choose to play for LFC.  And he's not justified his place here.

Are you sure? Cause i'm not. No club would have turned down £35 million.

[Blade]

I always find it suspicious that Andy has been continuously criticized for his drop of efficiency since he has arrived at LFC, yet everyone is fine with Suarez drop of efficiency since he has arrived at LFC. Double standards?

[AJG]

Whose was it?

It was a newcastle player, if it went in it would have been an own goal, I suggest you take another look, Carroll was near by but didn't touch it


Edit. Just watched it, I think it was R.Taylor

http://watchhighlightsonline.blogspot.co.uk/2012/04/video-newcastle-2-0-liverpool-danny.html

[Lenin]

At a stretch he set up Kuyt for the winner vs Man U (Kuyt still had a lot to do).   

Fair enough.

No I don't think he has made any contribution what so ever

Fair enough.

It was a newcastle player, if it went in it would have been an own goal, I suggest you take another look, Carroll was near by but didn't touch it

Fair enough.
 

[JoshWasTakenLFC]

Actually i saw plenty of him in the back end of the season they got relegated and while they were playing in the championahip and if you think he wasnt quality for Newcastle then you need a lesson in football mate.

To say that a target man like Andy Carroll should be all about goals then you have to be a fucking idiot.  He has shown plenty of times this season how well he can bring others into the game when the ball is put on his head.

Yeah obviously he could score a few more, but the fact that goals are all your basing your argument on shows that you know next to nothing about what someone with Carrolls attributes is put in the team for.

I mean when we signed him, were you expecting a tall version of Torres?

Go and look up some more stats about goals and stuff if you want, but my advice to you is take the time to just watch some football.

Oh believe me I know my football I just think you've forgot what a strikers job actually is.

The last time I checked it was to score goals, for someone of he's size aswell he loves falling over and rolling about alot.

He is a terrible player.

[Gromit]

Are you sure? Cause i'm not. No club would have turned down £35 million.

As the Secret Footballer said in his column, the ultimate decision comes down to the player.  You can always refuse a transfer even if the club wants you to go.  Off the top of my head I can think of Scott Parker refusing to join Wigan, Real Madrid accepted a big offer for McManaman but he refused to go.

[JoshWasTakenLFC]

As the Secret Footballer said in his column, the ultimate decision comes down to the player.  You can always refuse a transfer even if the club wants you to go.  Off the top of my head I can think of Scott Parker refusing to join Wigan, Real Madrid accepted a big offer for McManaman but he refused to go.

Of course he has to decide to go the decision is down to him, thats what contracts are put in place for.

 

[lfcshaunod]

Oh believe me I know my football I just think you've forgot what a strikers job actually is.

The last time I checked it was to score goals, for someone of he's size aswell he loves falling over and rolling about alot.

He is a terrible player.

See, all you have to go on are you goal statistics.

You criticise but what other option have you come up with?

Oh yeah thats right.  "we shouldn't have bought anyone and just saved the money".

Haha. And everyone would have been happy with that would they? When our star man has just walked out on us?

Get a grip.  Its so difficult trying to have a discussion with people like you.

You have no other fucking insight other than "he's shit" "he should score more".

[Lenin]

It was a newcastle player, if it went in it would have been an own goal, I suggest you take another look, Carroll was near by but didn't touch it


Edit. Just watched it, I think it was R.Taylor

http://watchhighlightsonline.blogspot.co.uk/2012/04/video-newcastle-2-0-liverpool-danny.html

Carroll heads it, it comes off Taylor? and Simpson keeps it out with his hand.

[buzzing]

For us he's shit. On odd occasion he plays okay we got OTT and say "thats why we bought him" - those performances are still not worth the price tag. For those little flick ons we must have been able to buy a big lad from elsewhere.

However, at Newcastle he looked quite good. Good enough to take a punt. After Torres left and we bought him, it would have looked a decent bit of business had the rice not been so high

We all know players need to settle and grow. Look at lucas!! - Will Carroll do this...?

With lucas and other players that have grown from their initial games they have always shown signs of class. NOt decent bits here and there but good, good play and I'm afraid Carroll hasn't

I dont think he's as shit as we make out, but he's just shit in our system

[thejbs]

You can say 'hindsight is great' but plenty of fans voiced their concerns at the time over £35m being spent on Andy Carroll.  At the time I thought Carroll would be a decent enough prospect but wasn't happy about the fee - £20m would've concerned me ffs.  If we'd waited til the summer we could've gotten him for much less or signed a different striker altogether for much less than £35m.  The 'what if Suarez got injured' argument doesn't hold either; we bought Carroll as an injured player so he didn't feature for much of the season anyway.

Andy was overpriced and we made a mistake in buying him when we did.  There's no other way to look at it.  He may eventually start scoring goals again and look like a better player but it won't change that fact. 

From what I've seen of his career with us and Newcastle, unless there's a massive increase in the rate of inflation, he'll never be a £35m striker.

[Blade]

Oh believe me I know my football I just think you've forgot what a strikers job actually is.

The last time I checked it was to score goals, for someone of he's size aswell he loves falling over and rolling about alot.

He is a terrible player.

Then, how do you explain Suarez' significant drop in efficiency since he has arrived at LFC? He is also falling down quite often. Is he a terrible player, too?

[Big Dirk]

See, all you have to go on are you goal statistics.

You criticise but what other option have you come up with?

Oh yeah thats right.  "we shouldn't have bought anyone and just saved the money".

Haha. And everyone would have been happy with that would they? When our star man has just walked out on us?

Get a grip.  Its so difficult trying to have a discussion with people like you.

You have no other fucking insight other than "he's shit" "he should score more".

What qualities do you think Andy Carroll brings to the team?

[JoshWasTakenLFC]

See, all you have to go on are you goal statistics.

You criticise but what other option have you come up with?

Oh yeah thats right.  "we shouldn't have bought anyone and just saved the money".

Haha. And everyone would have been happy with that would they? When our star man has just walked out on us?

Get a grip.  Its so difficult trying to have a discussion with people like you.

You have no other fucking insight other than "he's shit" "he should score more".

It's difficult talking to somebody who thinks Carroll is worth having its like your watching football with shit in your eyes, the idea of the game is to win like the idea of a striker is to score goals if i'm not going to use goal stats then what shall I use because he hasnt done anything else hes done fuck all, he hasnt created goals he hardly moves he spends more time on the floor he gets abused the way he does because how hes playing.

I've said enough for now, I respect your opinion but mine will never change i'm not a fan one bit.