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There are two types of supporter.
« on: April 1, 2012, 09:33:06 PM »
I’m going to start this post by making a bit of a broad statement, so I hope you’ll bear with me.

There are two types of supporter.

You may look at where Liverpool Football Club is today, right now, and you will see a club that’s in transition. Where you think that transition is going probably depends on – to use a tired cliché - whether you’re a glass half full or glass half empty sort of individual. Winning stuff is what football is about, and since at the moment we’re not in a position to be challenging for the league, the cups is where it’s at. You may think that the cups should be the number one priority, and therefore you may think that sacrificing league position in order to (hopefully) secure the double isn’t the end of the world. Or maybe you think that whilst the cup runs are great, but that maybe we’ve ill-advisedly taken our eye off the ball in the league as a result. You might think that cup wins are the best way for us to push forward, or you might think that finishing in the top four should be the absolute priority. I’m sure a lot of you will know where I stand on that particular issue, but I digress.

To be positive for a moment, winning the Carling Cup has guaranteed us a place in Europe next season, which will be an opportunity to give the squad some more experience of playing mid-week across Europe and give the youngsters some more playing time. It will also help our UEFA coefficient. That is a load off our mind, and whilst I know that there is some debate amongst fans of this club and football supporters in general as to the merits and drawbacks of participation in the Europa League, but I happen to think that a club like Liverpool should be in Europe year in, year out. It’s another trophy to contest. Dortmund was brilliant, one of the best days in my 21 years of supporting this club and I would give my left arm for another day like that.

Ooh, do you see what I did there? I mentioned my age, which rather neatly brings me to the central point of this post. Smooth.

Many of us will have concerns about the situation that we find ourselves in. We’ll have worries about the transfer policy, valid criticisms of the staff from the owners down to the players. As supporters, we crave success, and as supporters of this particular club, success is in our blood. Some on here are fortunate to have lived through the league titles, some on here weren’t old enough to buy a pint when we went to Istanbul. Some on here will want to discuss things, like you would in the pub after the game, with like-minded people. Some on here will shout and scream for heads to roll. Some will be uneasy with criticism, maybe even have an aversion to it.

When I say that there are two types of supporter, I’m talking about mentality. Because, do you know what? Age doesn’t come into it.

I’ll go the game and I’ll listen to teenage lads spouting awful, awful shite. It’s cringeworthy, I know it is, and of course there is a valid argument that Murdoch has had an adverse affect on football and the mindset of those who follow it. You listen to the fuckwits on Soccer Saturday and the people on 606 and, fuck, it’s undeniable. Football in 2012 is a fickle old business, dictated by money and image rights and those shiny Champions League fixtures. But I’ll go the game and I’ll also hear blokes the same age as my dad and they’ll be spouting shite as well. It’s not how old you are, it’s the way you think about things.

The problem on here is that people always, always go to fucking extremes. There’ll be tits calling for Mourinho, and there’ll be people that attempt to shut down debate at every opportunity. I’m sorry, but they’re both as bad as each other. I often wonder if some people actually realise how incredibly rude they’re being, how annoying and frankly rather offensive it is to have your opinion brushed aside based on where you’re from or indeed how old you are, and whether they’d talk to people like that in real life.

It’s alright for the older generation to berate the younger generation for being desperate for success, wanting it all now, when they lived through the success. Istanbul was the best night of my life, and I’d say that’s the case for most Liverpool fans my age. Is it really such a surprise that after being given that taste, that sweet, intoxicating glimpse into everything this club has ever been and everything it could be, that we want more?

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Re: There are two types of supporter.
« Reply #1 on: April 1, 2012, 09:59:09 PM »
I know where you are coming from and I'm no 21 year old.

Football supporting is all about opinions.  For as long as I can remember I've talked football with family, schoolmates, workmates, in the pub, other teams' fans and general passers by.  I've heard some seemingly shite that actually turned into gems of analysis.  Conversely I've heard some shite and it was just that.

This board has all of that going on within it.

As I see it, the worst posts on here are the general "Fuck Off" without a word of constructive criticism.  Those posters wouldn't say that to you in a pub without backing up their side of the story or there might just be a fist on the end of their nose! LOL

I don't even think there are two kinds of supporters.  I think that there are so many widespread different opinions you just can't calculate it. 

I like to think that having followed my team for over four decades and have hardly missed a home match in the last three, that I have a good knowledge of my club.  I also have some fantastic personal memories.  But whatever I write on here doesn't mean that it's right.  Most of it is speculation anyway. When I post something, it's just my view.  Might be right, might be wrong, but it's just my view.

You have to take these boards with a pinch of salt or you just go crazy.

This Sky Generation thing is a load of bollocks too.  You can bet your bottom dollar that the people saying that watched today's game on...............SKY!

Football has changed massively.  I've seen Anfield half full for league games which many think is impossible.  LFC are now watched by millions all over the world via the internet.  When I turned up for my first game back in 1971 you wouldn't have imagined that.   Or perhaps I did once hear some dickhead say "One day every Liverpool game will be screened live around the world even in Australia".  LOL

At the end of the day we are all reds.  Pro Rafa, Pro Kenny, Pro this that or the other.  All just opinions.  But we are all in in together - even if sometimes it doesn't seem like that.

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Re: There are two types of supporter.
« Reply #2 on: April 1, 2012, 10:00:03 PM »
I remember the 70's and 80's but I don't blame younger fans for expecting success. Even through our barren spell without a league title, we have still been successful; we have won every trophy going apart from the League in the last 12 years. So moaning at younger fans for wanting instant success is daft - its what all Liverpool fans are used to and its the mindset of the club.

I'm sure we all expect more than we are getting from this team right now, whatever our ages.

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Re: There are two types of supporter.
« Reply #3 on: April 1, 2012, 10:26:39 PM »
I just about remember the late 80s myself. Mass media coverage and now the internet has ensured that the views of no-nothing bellends will be heard by millions. LFC fans used to expecting success and took it for granted like the Mancs are doing now. We have not been a real force for 20 odd years barring a few good spells and that divine right to win things is long gone. Other teams see LFC as just another club and unless there are major changes, mediocrity will prevail.

Football has been a fickle business for a considerable period of time. Remember when the league cup was seen as a major trophy? It was good enough for European Champions Liverpool who always strived to win it. Remember when the UEFA cup and FA cup were major trophies? Nowadays, all that seems to matter is the league title and champions league. According to the new generation of fickle morons, nothing else matters. Well fuck them all, I enjoyed us winning the league cup and would be thrilled to land the FA cup. That we are a club in transition is undeniable and sadly, it could be a very long time before LFC is drinking at the top table. There are twats in the team that don't respect Kenny (how else can you explain the apathy that is apparent on the pitch) so it's no surprise that the fickle fan will also have a go, especially when listening to cretins to Mark Bright et al. Personally, I am not sure if Kenny can help us return to the top but I'd take him every day of the fucking week over that twat Mourinho. It's clear that Kenny would go if he felt he was not capable of improving the team in the long term. Hopefully he can be ruthless and do what is necessary and get rid of those who don't want to or don't deserve to wear the shirt.

I'm just talking a load of Captain Morgan's fuelled shite now :p  Good OP.

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Re: There are two types of supporter.
« Reply #4 on: April 1, 2012, 10:32:19 PM »
Top post, Siann. It really is wild to behold at times, and your point that few on here would be as abrasive to fellow reds in person is one that deserves particular highlighting in my opinion.

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Re: There are two types of supporter.
« Reply #5 on: April 1, 2012, 10:32:49 PM »
Yeah. Supporters and clueless, glory-hunting whoppers.

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Re: There are two types of supporter.
« Reply #6 on: April 1, 2012, 10:34:14 PM »
Top post, Siann. It really is wild to behold at times, and your point that few on here would be as abrasive to fellow reds in person is one that deserves particular highlighting in my opinion.

Yes, that was an excellent point. The world is full of keyboard warriors.

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Re: There are two types of supporter.
« Reply #7 on: April 1, 2012, 10:35:02 PM »
I thought it was going to be about ones with tits up their sweaters and ones with tits on their heads. I hope I'm just the sweater sort.
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Re: There are two types of supporter.
« Reply #8 on: April 1, 2012, 10:46:39 PM »
I thought it was going to be about ones with tits up their sweaters and ones with tits on their heads. I hope I'm just the sweater sort.
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Re: There are two types of supporter.
« Reply #9 on: April 1, 2012, 10:55:12 PM »
well said

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Re: There are two types of supporter.
« Reply #10 on: April 1, 2012, 10:57:22 PM »
I often wonder if some people actually realise how incredibly rude they’re being, how annoying and frankly rather offensive it is to have your opinion brushed aside based on where you’re from or indeed how old you are, and whether they’d talk to people like that in real life.

Opinions, as the saying goes, are just like arseholes. Everyone's got one. Some opinions, just like some arseholes, are so stupid and downright offensive that they really shouldn't be exposed in public without a thorough bleaching.

There are two types of supporter. Those that support, even though they wonder sometimes what the hell is going on, and those who moan and whinge and whine when things don't meet their expectations, expectations that are probably unreasonable in the first place.

Yeah. Supporters and clueless, glory-hunting whoppers.



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Re: There are two types of supporter.
« Reply #11 on: April 1, 2012, 10:58:03 PM »
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Re: There are two types of supporter.
« Reply #12 on: April 1, 2012, 11:00:07 PM »
Good post Siann, agreed on all points.
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Re: There are two types of supporter.
« Reply #13 on: April 1, 2012, 11:00:47 PM »
geoff will come here and tell u how u are a sky generation supporter because u have a opinion thats different to his.

Every manager will face critisism at some point, status or no status, and as long as there is a sensible discussion i see no harm, how ever all this super supporters that some are making out to be are fucking deluded when each post is witch haunted if the opinion is different to theirs.

So basically, if u have a opinion keep it to ur self, or u will be branded a manc, sky generation supporter, or no supporter at all.



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Re: There are two types of supporter.
« Reply #14 on: April 1, 2012, 11:06:21 PM »
I’m going to start this post by making a bit of a broad statement, so I hope you’ll bear with me.

There are two types of supporter.

Is it really such a surprise that after being given that taste, that sweet, intoxicating glimpse into everything this club has ever been and everything it could be, that we want more?

sound OP

but you appreciate most of the Sky generation gave up or left at half time? And as you've said many of the Sky generation are auld gits - its not an age thing it is an attitude thing - if anything you'd think the people with the fewest years left would be the ones desparate for success now wouldn't you?

I dont think the 'Sky generation' tag is age-ist  - its probably not even 'Sky-ist' - it is a lazy, possibly ironic attempt to place the most representative members of our intolerant, impatient and self important modern society into an easy label,  probably exactly as Sky themselves would do it - its about people with needs and expectations rather than hopes and dreams .............


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Re: There are two types of supporter.
« Reply #15 on: April 1, 2012, 11:08:25 PM »
Just poking my toe in the water here to say top post Siannn. Nice one.

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Re: There are two types of supporter.
« Reply #16 on: April 1, 2012, 11:17:45 PM »
You can't beat a bit of Fat Scouser Banter to lighten the mood :)
There's practically been civil war going on at the club since 2007/8. We seem to be looking for anything to fight over mate. So we're down to... zimmer frames and BMX bikes now. Hopefully we'll run out of wedge's soon and all get back on the same page. I won't hold me breath.
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What I'd never seen is... people booing draws that put us on top of the league. People booing our own players. People calling for manager's heads, getting their wishes, calling for the next fellas and the next fellas within a matter of months.
It's quite funny at times... some of the people who called for Rafa to be sacked and Roy brought in, called for Roy's head within weeks. And now they are either calling for Kenny's or demanding support for "The King" and bollocking people on loyalty and the Liverpool Way.
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I know what the OP means. There is a point. Both sides can go over the top. But it's got to the point of being mental.
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Re: There are two types of supporter.
« Reply #17 on: April 1, 2012, 11:17:49 PM »
I know where you are coming from and I'm no 21 year old.

Football supporting is all about opinions.  For as long as I can remember I've talked football with family, schoolmates, workmates, in the pub, other teams' fans and general passers by.  I've heard some seemingly shite that actually turned into gems of analysis.  Conversely I've heard some shite and it was just that.

This board has all of that going on within it.

As I see it, the worst posts on here are the general "Fuck Off" without a word of constructive criticism.  Those posters wouldn't say that to you in a pub without backing up their side of the story or there might just be a fist on the end of their nose! LOL

I don't even think there are two kinds of supporters.  I think that there are so many widespread different opinions you just can't calculate it.  

I like to think that having followed my team for over four decades and have hardly missed a home match in the last three, that I have a good knowledge of my club.  I also have some fantastic personal memories.  But whatever I write on here doesn't mean that it's right.  Most of it is speculation anyway. When I post something, it's just my view.  Might be right, might be wrong, but it's just my view.

You have to take these boards with a pinch of salt or you just go crazy.

This Sky Generation thing is a load of bollocks too.  You can bet your bottom dollar that the people saying that watched today's game on...............SKY!

Football has changed massively.  I've seen Anfield half full for league games which many think is impossible.  LFC are now watched by millions all over the world via the internet.  When I turned up for my first game back in 1971 you wouldn't have imagined that.   Or perhaps I did once hear some dickhead say "One day every Liverpool game will be screened live around the world even in Australia".  LOL

At the end of the day we are all reds.  Pro Rafa, Pro Kenny, Pro this that or the other.  All just opinions.  But we are all in in together - even if sometimes it doesn't seem like that.

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Good post that, you make some interresting and valid points.  The bit I've highlighted stood out a little more though becasue by the OP saying there are two types of supporters is going someway towards saying there's a split in the fan base, whether that's down the the thread title or not I don't know.
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Re: There are two types of supporter.
« Reply #18 on: April 1, 2012, 11:19:00 PM »
Well said Sian, good post.
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Re: There are two types of supporter.
« Reply #19 on: April 1, 2012, 11:19:11 PM »
PS...
Young people... Have a look at Vulmea's avitar. What is Shankly celebrating?
PPS... I'm hanging off a lampost behind him.

PPS... I'm hanging off a lampost behind Bill. The one that's starting to bend to the left.
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Re: There are two types of supporter.
« Reply #20 on: April 1, 2012, 11:25:08 PM »
PS...
Young people... Have a look at Vulmea's avitar. What is Shankly celebrating?
PPS... I'm hanging off a lampost behind him.

PPS... I'm hanging off a lampost behind Bill. The one that's starting to bend to the left.
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Re: There are two types of supporter.
« Reply #21 on: April 1, 2012, 11:26:04 PM »
PS...
Young people... Have a look at Vulmea's avitar. What is Shankly celebrating?
PPS... I'm hanging off a lampost behind him.

PPS... I'm hanging off a lampost behind Bill. The one that's starting to bend to the left.

Are you the one with the tache, or the one behind the lad with the big ears?

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Re: There are two types of supporter.
« Reply #22 on: April 1, 2012, 11:27:59 PM »
geoff will come here and tell u how u are a sky generation supporter because u have a opinion thats different to his.

Every manager will face critisism at some point, status or no status, and as long as there is a sensible discussion i see no harm, how ever all this super supporters that some are making out to be are fucking deluded when each post is witch haunted if the opinion is different to theirs.

So basically, if u have a opinion keep it to ur self, or u will be branded a manc, sky generation supporter, or no supporter at all.


funny that cos all I seem to see on here are critical posts and critical posters....the board is overwhelmingly weighted toward the negative end of the supporter scale and ironically the 'deluded' as you brand them, are the ones who are routinely witch-hunted....and on a LFC forum too?...who knew?
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« Reply #23 on: April 1, 2012, 11:28:09 PM »
Very good post indeed, balanced as well.
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Re: There are two types of supporter.
« Reply #24 on: April 1, 2012, 11:30:06 PM »
geoff will come here

Respond to the posts not the poster.  Pre-emptive provocative handbaggery gets you a break.
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Re: There are two types of supporter.
« Reply #25 on: April 1, 2012, 11:31:18 PM »
funny that cos all I seem to see on here are critical posts and critical posters....the board is overwhelmingly weighted toward the negative end of the supporter scale and ironically the 'deluded' as you brand them, are the ones who are routinely witch-hunted....and on a LFC forum too?...who knew?

I think that the forum is mostly negative because we've had a pretty shit time of it over the last few years.

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Re: There are two types of supporter.
« Reply #26 on: April 1, 2012, 11:32:23 PM »
Are you the one with the tache, or the one behind the lad with the big ears?


That's tits, not ears.
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Re: There are two types of supporter.
« Reply #27 on: April 1, 2012, 11:34:04 PM »
That's tits, not ears.
Here's one for yer Barney... after the QPR game. God only knows why, but I sat reading the after match thread for about 2 hours. I didn't comment, just watched it. About 5 pages of it were people moaning about not being allowed to moan on RAWK!
Unbelievable.

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Re: There are two types of supporter.
« Reply #28 on: April 1, 2012, 11:34:44 PM »
I think that the forum is mostly negative because we've had a pretty shit time of it over the last few years.
We've had a few years other teams supporters could only dream of... European Cup, FA Cup, Europ[ean Cup final, 2nd place, countless wonderful games, a Carling Cup, a trip to Wembley coming up...
Life's hard being an LFC fan. Wish I supported Pompey or someone.
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Re: There are two types of supporter.
« Reply #29 on: April 1, 2012, 11:35:43 PM »
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Re: There are two types of supporter.
« Reply #30 on: April 1, 2012, 11:36:36 PM »

funny that cos all I seem to see on here are critical posts and critical posters....the board is overwhelmingly weighted toward the negative end of the supporter scale and ironically the 'deluded' as you brand them, are the ones who are routinely witch-hunted....and on a LFC forum too?...who knew?

The just human nature though, people are always quicker to moan then to prasise. That doesnt just apply to football, or our fans but any part of life.
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Re: There are two types of supporter.
« Reply #31 on: April 1, 2012, 11:36:49 PM »
I really agree that this forum (and others I expect) would benefit from more thought and respect from posters, and less attempts to stifle debate.  After all the whole point of a discussion forum is to express opinions and discuss and debate those opinions.  You are right that we seem to be splitting into two camps more and more with both sides doing a fair share of preventing discussion and trading insults.  There are always exceptions of course but not enough I would say.

I am 35 and my first memories of watching us play are from the early 80s. I remember league titles and league cups for fun,  European cups, the double of '86 and when Kenny built the best team I have ever watched afterwards.  Brilliant times that are impossible not to factor into my current views on Kenny in charge and it is difficult for me not to retain a certain amount of sentimentalism.  I think a lot of fans my age and above suffer from this and it can cloud judgement.

It was during the 80s that as a country we developed the "we want it all and we want it now" mentality, and life became more about the power of the individual rather than the community or the family. This mentality has remained and if anything increased.  Modern football is really just a high profile reflection on what is on the whole a  society made up of impatient, self-centred individuals.  This is what the term "Sky generation" is referring to but I find the term a bit patronising.   You can blame Sky, Murdoch, or The Premier League, but you could easily go back and blame Thatcher. Whoever you choose to blame,  this is our current culture like it or not.

Age does come into it because the younger fans (my age and below) have never lived in a society which was any different and if you are under 25 you probably don't remember Kenny at all first time around.  These two things combined are more likely to make a fan quick to criticise and demand change much sooner. 

I think that some of the younger fans would benefit from having more patience and faith, and in some cases to go and read/watch films about Liverpool of the 70s and 80s (and earlier),  whilst the older fans would benefit from accepting that the youngsters are growing up in a fast-paced and demanding society, and that Kenny can most definitely be openly criticised when done respectfully. Maybe then there can be more meeting in the middle.
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Re: There are two types of supporter.
« Reply #32 on: April 1, 2012, 11:37:33 PM »
Was expecting this to be a typical black/white painting of the situation and slagging people off. It wasn't. Good opening post.
I see a lot of the same myself, some people are just not able to have two thoughts in their mind at the same time. One week we are the best team in the world and a signing away from winning the title. The other week we are shite and everyone needs to be sacked or sold.
I have stopped arguing with people who think this way because it just isn't worth it. A quick smile and walking away works fine. I love a good analysis of things, and there are always more than one or two factors in the equation.
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Re: There are two types of supporter.
« Reply #33 on: April 1, 2012, 11:39:00 PM »
the funniest thing for me is when my mates who support other teams try to lecture me on liverpool, the manager and the players as if they're educating me when i've been watching the team home and away for 20 years. happens all the time recently.

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Re: There are two types of supporter.
« Reply #34 on: April 1, 2012, 11:40:59 PM »
There's practically been civil war going on at the club since 2007/8. We seem to be looking for anything to fight over mate. So we're down to... zimmer frames and BMX bikes now. Hopefully we'll run out of wedge's soon and all get back on the same page. I won't hold me breath.
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What I'd never seen is... people booing draws that put us on top of the league. People booing our own players. People calling for manager's heads, getting their wishes, calling for the next fellas and the next fellas within a matter of months.
It's quite funny at times... some of the people who called for Rafa to be sacked and Roy brought in, called for Roy's head within weeks. And now they are either calling for Kenny's or demanding support for "The King" and bollocking people on loyalty and the Liverpool Way.
Just the way it is now. I've a feeling if I hang round long enough, someone will start a fight between the right and left footers.
I know what the OP means. There is a point. Both sides can go over the top. But it's got to the point of being mental.



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We have a clique that footballers, once no longer able to play, look to join.

Punditry. The projected scholars of the game who don't want to manage but really did but yeah but no but yeah but. They must, should tv not truly work out either due to slipped tongue or lack of majestic aura, join radio or newspaper outlets to carry on this fable of being the know-alls of how a team should be and what's wrong and what's right in the game today.

What's this got to do with supporters? Mouth put it best in that it gave idiots who had no vocal platform a place to project a view that, you guessed it, pundit wanted out there. Now that pundit feels a little more established than he ever did before. He has a following. That following will allow renewals, other avenues (read money) to open up. A world cup/European slot possibly next to other pundits who may have some worthiness to be there.

Those that choose to reject this punditry led view are often very cynical of those that follow it. Individuals usually follow an ideology or belief that they can relate to and rationalize to be fair and valid. Or so it would seem. In truth it could be argued that folllowing a pundit could be seen the same way. A point of view rationalized and suggestively proven to be fair and valid. Validated by others agreeing with it.

Should pundit have an agenda or axe to grind then it's all downhill. Followers won't believe it. The cynics will say we told you so. Others will stare at the car crash that ensues with shock and disbelief.

It will always be hard to find someone who's in the middle.

The "who to believe" will always be personal. Just don't pick a nobody pundit dickhead who's got nothing to really show for his/her footballing life to date.
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Re: There are two types of supporter.
« Reply #35 on: April 1, 2012, 11:41:36 PM »
I really agree that this forum (and others I expect) would benefit from more thought and respect from posters, and less attempts to stifle debate.  After all the whole point of a discussion forum is to express opinions and discuss and debate those opinions.

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Re: There are two types of supporter.
« Reply #36 on: April 1, 2012, 11:43:09 PM »
Drive by shootings now done on bikes. The BMXers won that one.  ;D


I dont think the locals on here need to hear jokes about drive by shootings on bikes mate.
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Re: There are two types of supporter.
« Reply #37 on: April 1, 2012, 11:43:13 PM »
I'm 40 now and I know a few Liverpool fans my age who are even more impatient than the younger lot.
they grew up watching us winning the league on such a regular basis that anything else is always seen as failure.
I was 20 years old by the time I saw 2 consecutive years pass without us winning the league ('91 and '92).

on the other hand my nephew was born in 1991 and has never seen us win the league once.
for him getting anywhere near the top 2 is a cause for massive celebration and Istanbul was just utter fantasy land stuff for him.
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Re: There are two types of supporter.
« Reply #38 on: April 1, 2012, 11:44:16 PM »
We've had a few years other teams supporters could only dream of... European Cup, FA Cup, Europ[ean Cup final, 2nd place, countless wonderful games, a Carling Cup, a trip to Wembley coming up...
Life's hard being an LFC fan. Wish I supported Pompey or someone.

I meant the last three years. And yes, most other clubs would be happy with what we've achieved recently, but we're not other clubs. We're Liverpool.

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Re: There are two types of supporter.
« Reply #39 on: April 1, 2012, 11:45:24 PM »
I meant the last three years. And yes, most other clubs would be happy with what we've achieved recently, but we're not other clubs. We're Liverpool.

Which is something to be pleased about, rather than miserable. No?
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