Topic: Newcastle 2-0 Liverpool: Full time.......

[Gifted Right Foot]

I hate it when people attribute terrible performances to a lack of passion.  It papers over the cracks.  Passion can't win you the league. The odd cup game maybe but not the league.

i know mate but it's extra disheartening when they dont even look like they are trying to turn the game around when they are being outplayed. 

[rushyman]

i know mate but it's extra disheartening when they dont even look like they are trying to turn the game around when they are being outplayed. 

Right one last time before I go to bed

We were NOT outplayed yesterday. We were by far the more dangerous on the ball going forward. It was our frankly fucking disgusting workrate off the ball that did for us. Newcastle were shaky as fuck but were let off the hook and allowed to steady themselves on the ball when they shouldve been getting pressed and harried all over the place. Steadily they grew in confidence but never ever 'palyed some flowing football' as that fucking thick twat commentator laughably suggested once.

Make no mistake we were beaten by a team we couldve beaten very easily. Theres something very wrong with the whole process behind the scenes. I'll put it that way as I dont fancy a ban

[jooneyisdagod]

I'll go with effort

mate i could get my local pub team to beat Barcelona if they just stood still

I just think its extremely difficult to judge effort mate.  I do.  Don't get me wrong, I'm absolutely fuming at our displays this season.  But I find it difficult to say that a player didn't put any effort in simply because for me at least its impossible to tell. 

i know mate but it's extra disheartening when they dont even look like they are trying to turn the game around when they are being outplayed. 

They could be trying and getting completely outplayed anyway.  Sometimes the effort put in isn't always obvious in my opinion.

[jooneyisdagod]

Right one last time before I go to bed

We were NOT outplayed yesterday. We were by far the more dangerous on the ball going forward. It was our frankly fucking disgusting workrate off the ball that did for us. Newcastle were shaky as fuck but were let off the hook and allowed to steady themselves on the ball when they shouldve been getting pressed and harried all over the place. Steadily they grew in confidence but never ever 'palyed some flowing football' as that fucking thick twat commentator laughably suggested once.

Make no mistake we were beaten by a team we couldve beaten very easily. Theres something very wrong with the whole process behind the scenes. I'll put it that way as I dont fancy a ban

I honestly think we don't press anymore.  We've decided to almost give the ball to the opponents and get in shape rather than press.  I don't see us palying a pressing game anymore and we just don't have the pace to hit the opponents once we've got the ball.  But regardless you are spot on when you say there is something wrong behind the scenes.  At least on the playing side of it. 

[Godmadebloodred]

A good number of our players are just not good enough.
Hard to swallow but we're becoming an average team very fast.

[BazC]

Right one last time before I go to bed

We were NOT outplayed yesterday. We were by far the more dangerous on the ball going forward. It was our frankly fucking disgusting workrate off the ball that did for us. Newcastle were shaky as fuck but were let off the hook and allowed to steady themselves on the ball when they shouldve been getting pressed and harried all over the place. Steadily they grew in confidence but never ever 'palyed some flowing football' as that fucking thick twat commentator laughably suggested once.

Make no mistake we were beaten by a team we couldve beaten very easily. Theres something very wrong with the whole process behind the scenes. I'll put it that way as I dont fancy a ban

We weren't the best team going forward for most of the match. We must be the easiest team to play counter attack against to be honest. The other teams just need to sit back and when they get the ball back just counter attack with speed.

Be under no delusions; Newcastle out fought *And* out manouvered us tactically today.

[Gifted Right Foot]

Right one last time before I go to bed

We were NOT outplayed yesterday. We were by far the more dangerous on the ball going forward. It was our frankly fucking disgusting workrate off the ball that did for us. Newcastle were shaky as fuck but were let off the hook and allowed to steady themselves on the ball when they shouldve been getting pressed and harried all over the place. Steadily they grew in confidence but never ever 'palyed some flowing football' as that fucking thick twat commentator laughably suggested once.

Make no mistake we were beaten by a team we couldve beaten very easily. Theres something very wrong with the whole process behind the scenes. I'll put it that way as I dont fancy a ban

yeah i agree with you.  i probably shouldnt have used the word outplayed i guess.  just when ever we go behind i dont feel we can turn the game around and whenever we go ahead im just waiting for the other team to equalise. 

I just think its extremely difficult to judge effort mate.  I do.  Don't get me wrong, I'm absolutely fuming at our displays this season.  But I find it difficult to say that a player didn't put any effort in simply because for me at least its impossible to tell. 
They could be trying and getting completely outplayed anyway.  Sometimes the effort put in isn't always obvious in my opinion.

i know what you are saying but i just feel something is missing is all. 

[Discipline]

61... new record?

[artanis]

61... new record?

3 points out of 21 in the last 7 games is a records I think. It has to be. . . . . . .

[ziggyy]

3 points out of 21 in the last 7 games is a records I think. It has to be. . . . . . .

Hey, at least we are on a streak of some sort...

[Discipline]

3 points out of 21 in the last 7 games is a records I think. It has to be. . . . . . .

We're definitely consistent.

[Borninbethlehem]

Kenny is now starting to make Hodgson look like a success.

Love the King, but he needs to step down. Outdated tactics, poor signings, lack of motivation skills, dreadful season to boot. My utmost respect would remain for him if he stepped down, but if he keeps on going and getting these results, he will lose alot of dignity which is not what any Liverpool supporter wants to see.

Reinstall Rafa and let's finish off this season on a high.

[Mohammad Shahrul]

Seemed like Gerrard was being instructed to sit deep. Really really deep.
I noticed its Shelvey running the midfield. And Flanagan looked like a winger
yesterday and sometimes was struggling to defend. But he can be our future.

[soberphobia]

A good number of our players are just not good enough.
Hard to swallow but we're becoming an average team very fast.

We are an average team were not becoming anything. There was nothing in the performance that was remotely surprising so why anyone is getting bent out of shape is beyond me. It is a continuation of our form nothing more nothing less. No point in getting wound up. We can't score so we can't pressure other teams or give ourselves a release of pressure. We will regroup in the summer and start the new campaign with renewed vigour. We are so out of it now and are so shit that it really should be just about getting some minutes into players like Shelvey Coates and Flanagan for the remainder of the premiership.

This year is a write off. It is time to get some groundwork into the depth of the next campaign.

[kevin87]

We are an average team were not becoming anything. There was nothing in the performance that was remotely surprising so why anyone is getting bent out of shape is beyond me. It is a continuation of our form nothing more nothing less. No point in getting wound up. We can't score so we can't pressure other teams or give ourselves a release of pressure. We will regroup in the summer and start the new campaign with renewed vigour. We are so out of it now and are so shit that it really should be just about getting some minutes into players like Shelvey Coates and Flanagan for the remainder of the premiership.

This year is a write off. It is time to get some groundwork into the depth of the next campaign.

okay so if finish the year with an FA cup, and the Carling Cup....how would you judge our year?

[Another Red]

So how many people had a chuckle when they saw Enrique putting on the keeper's jersey? Be honest.

As painful as it was watching this game unfold, you had to laugh at that moment.

[farawayred]

So how many people had a chuckle when they saw Enrique putting on the keeper's jersey? Be honest.

As painful as it was watching this game unfold, you had to laugh at that moment.

I seem to recall pictures of him in goal in training. Downing too. Actually, I told my son that it would be Downing before Enrique put the shirt on.

[Discipline]

I seem to recall pictures of him in goal in training. Downing too. Actually, I told my son that it would be Downing before Enrique put the shirt on.

You had Downing and Enrique before Luis? BLASPHEMY

[farawayred]

You had Downing and Enrique before Luis? BLASPHEMY

Luis is only good on reaction saves, but does he come out for crosses? 

[Discipline]

Luis is only good on reaction saves, but does he come out for crosses? 

You're right.

Definitely more a sweeper keeper.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8DZyX5xgqM

[Gifted Right Foot]

 

[*]

I thought Shelvey impressed again, other then that it was a shower of shite.

Are you his mother?

[gerrardsarmy]

So how many people had a chuckle when they saw Enrique putting on the keeper's jersey? Be honest.

As painful as it was watching this game unfold, you had to laugh at that moment.

I wanted them to chuck Luis in goal!

[LiverBirdKop]

Has this been posted already? Apologies if it has. I don't like what I see on this video one bit. Probably nothing, but I don't like it.

http://twitpic.com/9498gn

[AnfieldRD19]

something really has to change. i don't know what but it has to be soon.

[PowderKeg]

Kenny is now starting to make Hodgson look like a success.

Love the King, but he needs to step down. Outdated tactics, poor signings, lack of motivation skills, dreadful season to boot. My utmost respect would remain for him if he stepped down, but if he keeps on going and getting these results, he will lose alot of dignity which is not what any Liverpool supporter wants to see.

Reinstall Rafa and let's finish off this season on a high.

[something awful]

Has this been posted already? Apologies if it has. I don't like what I see on this video one bit. Probably nothing, but I don't like it.

http://twitpic.com/9498gn

He's animated, not disrespectful.

[Lucas DuoFlush]

Has this been posted already? Apologies if it has. I don't like what I see on this video one bit. Probably nothing, but I don't like it.

http://twitpic.com/9498gn

That does look bad, even if Stevie is saying the tactical thing its a bit aggressive and Kenny seems confused by it.

[BCCC]

That does look bad, even if Stevie is saying the tactical thing its a bit aggressive and Kenny seems confused by it.

Utter bollocks, you have no fuckin idea what the context is.

[jooneyisdagod]

That does look bad, even if Stevie is saying the tactical thing its a bit aggressive and Kenny seems confused by it.

Maybe they were in a loud stadium and struggled to hear each other ?  And maybe tempers were already flaring.  Its difficult to make anything out of these situations. 

[Jagged Princess]

Kenny is now starting to make Hodgson look like a success.

Love the King, but he needs to step down. Outdated tactics, poor signings, lack of motivation skills, dreadful season to boot. My utmost respect would remain for him if he stepped down, but if he keeps on going and getting these results, he will lose alot of dignity which is not what any Liverpool supporter wants to see.

Reinstall Rafa and let's finish off this season on a high.

So you love Kenny and have the upmost respect for him but in your first sentence you insult him by comparing him to Hodgson?   

[liverpoolfan1]

Losing 6 from the last 7 is bad enough but somebody mentioned before that we had only won 3 out of the last 15 league matches. I actually had to go look up if that was true. And it was! 

[Didi_ram]

Kenny is now starting to make Hodgson look like a success.

Love the King, but he needs to step down. Outdated tactics, poor signings, lack of motivation skills, dreadful season to boot. My utmost respect would remain for him if he stepped down, but if he keeps on going and getting these results, he will lose alot of dignity which is not what any Liverpool supporter wants to see.

Reinstall Rafa and let's finish off this season on a high.

There is no way a sacking is happening midseason.Still think Kenny will win us the Cup.We can decide at the end of the season.Kenny himself can decide what to do.
And the Hodgson comparisons are a joke.
Although Reinstall Rafa could well be the best way forward.

[subroc]

There is no way a sacking is happening midseason.Still think Kenny will win us the Cup.We can decide at the end of the season.Kenny himself can decide what to do.
And the Hodgson comparisons are a joke.
Although Reinstall Rafa could well be the best way forward.

Dallgish will not be the one deciding on his fate. That would be in the hands of FSG. He will most probably get one more season though the way he and Comolli spend their money will certainly be much more scrutinised and questioned this time, if the owners had a smidgeon of sense, which they certainly do. Comolli has been very canny in distributing part of the blame to Dalglish  publicly too - so that may point to things happening internally where the owners may be expressing their dissatisfaction.

[liverpoolfan1]

There is no way a sacking is happening midseason.Still think Kenny will win us the Cup.We can decide at the end of the season.Kenny himself can decide what to do.
And the Hodgson comparisons are a joke.
Although Reinstall Rafa could well be the best way forward.

Agree with that. We are in the semi of the FA cup and there is no way that changing a manager now would do us any good. If Kenny is going to step down it will be at the end of the season. But let's not put any pressure on him. He knows what is in the best interest of this club and if he feels that we have not progressed under him (which he may or may not feel) then he will step down himself. If that was to happen then Rafa would be my 1st choice but I can't really see it happening.

[jooneyisdagod]

Kenny is now starting to make Hodgson look like a success.

Love the King, but he needs to step down. Outdated tactics, poor signings, lack of motivation skills, dreadful season to boot. My utmost respect would remain for him if he stepped down, but if he keeps on going and getting these results, he will lose alot of dignity which is not what any Liverpool supporter wants to see.

Reinstall Rafa and let's finish off this season on a high.

I've been quite critical of how the management has performed but most of it is just wrong.  He won't lose his dignity.  He will still remain loved.  And most importantly he has already won a trophy and hence he will be much better than Roy no matter what.

[Darren G]

Jesus.

I.

Jesus Christ.



First of all, MOTM Enrique for that belter of a save at the end. Skillz.

I don’t really know what to say about that performance, other than this.

I expect there’ll be people in this thread shortly reminding us of our Carling Cup win and the fact that we’ve got an FA Cup semi-final in just under two weeks. I want to make it perfectly, absolutely clear that I think that’s brilliant. I really, really do. I was made up when Kenny took us back to Wembley and we lifted that cup, and I will be even more made up should we beat Everton and eventually lift the FA Cup. But, then, we won’t have our fucking goalkeeper for that. I won’t talk about that because I might actually fucking cry. Anyway, where was I? Cups are ace. Cups are bloody fucking brilliant. I love cups, right? Cupsy cups cups. Cups are awesome.

This is the thing. What I’ve just seen, and what I saw against Wigan, and what I saw against QPR, is a group of individuals that love cups even more than me. We’re not finishing fourth, so what the fuck is the point in us trying in the league anymore? There isn’t any point, is there? Because we’re not finishing fourth. So that’s it. Fuck the league, fuck pride, fuck playing for the shirt, fuck it all, because we’re not going to be in the Champions League next season, so let’s just play for the cups. It’s logic. Of course it’s logic, because there’s people on here who think exactly the same, isn’t there? They’ll be in this thread in a bit and they’ll be telling us that the league doesn’t matter now, we don’t need to finish as high as possible, it doesn’t make a difference to us, let’s just concentrate on the cups. I wonder if I’ll read someone saying  - what was it? – oh, yes, “Fourth is no better than finishing 14th” again. That was brilliant, that was. Can’t remember who said it but it gave me a hearty chuckle so ta for that.

Those players should be embarrassed. How fucking DARE they turn out a performance like that in front of the people who spend vast amounts of money following this team up and down the country come rain or shine? They should be fucking ashamed, every single one of them, of this complete and utter capitulation in our league form. And so should the fans who aren’t arsed about it either. I don’t give a shit about getting called a member of the “Sky generation”, I only give a shit about this club. I want the absolute best for us in everything we do. We’re a long, long way from the “absolute best”, yes, so in place of that, I just want those who are getting paid thousands of pounds a week to show something resembling the pride that myself and 99% of everyone on here has in this great club. We’re Liverpool Football Club, for fuck’s sake. Liverpool. Football. Club. 18 league titles, eight League Cups, seven FA Cups. Five European Cups. That’s who we are, but that isn’t who we were today.

In 2009, we were fighting to win the league. In 2012, we can’t be bothered fighting to finish in the top half.

 Marry me. 

 Seriously though, well said.  It's fucking shameful. 

[hollger]

Has this been posted already? Apologies if it has. I don't like what I see on this video one bit. Probably nothing, but I don't like it.

http://twitpic.com/9498gn

Yeh, page 5 or 6 I think. Nothing in it, imo - Gerrard is just saying he's got the instructions (Flanno to LB, him to RB), nothing more.


As for people saying we should get Rafa back in, do you really think that's a good idea!? I love the man, but there were hordes of people calling for his head at the end nevermind the problems he faced INSIDE the dressing room. It just isn't happening.

[woof]

I thought we played OK in the first half and was very very unlucky not to have scored a couple of goals from open play or penalties. Then the players' mentality went to mush in the second half. Finished the game feeling damn angry and pissed

[Didi_ram]

Dallgish will not be the one deciding on his fate. That would be in the hands of FSG. He will most probably get one more season though the way he and Comolli spend their money will certainly be much more scrutinised and questioned this time, if the owners had a smidgeon of sense, which they certainly do.

See,it may so happen that we finish woefully in the league and win the FA cup.Dalglish could easily step down,citing the 2 trophies and some steadiness as success.And we can be grateful for his role in the transition,and for preventing us from getting relegated under Roy.That wouldnt be a bad thing to do.
Although another season wouldnt be bad at all,but how much money he gets is another big question.If we have to continue with this team next season,another 9-12th place finish may well be on the cards and we may not even have success in the cups.
It could be pleasantly surprising if Kenny and DC are given money,and asked to clear out the mediocre dross and change strategy.Think it could very well work,because the fault is more with the players than with the manager.
A manager capable of winning thrice at the Bridge,twice against United,at the Emirates,Etihad,and leading us to a cup win and possibly another cant be bad at all.His players havent done the job,and the newcomers have done fuck all.Infact a certain player sold in August did more in 3 months than the expensive flops have done all season,combined.
So if the owners give him the chance to change the strategy which is now Buy British,and give him time,it may well work out.
But our freefall in the league may leave Kenny in a position where he might have to take an ultimate step himself.He is too legendary a figure to not admit that things went wrong in the league.Given the chance to manage next year,I dont think he'll refrain from removing underperforming players.