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Re: Support for the manager. Time to plant your flag.
« Reply #240 on: March 25, 2012, 12:28:32 AM »
To be fair you've done nothing but give people a good finger wagging on here, not in the good sense either.
Sorry I tend to do that to people who think Kenny should be sacked or think he deserves the same respect as Hodgson, and what's more I always will for the next few years!
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Re: Support for the manager. Time to plant your flag.
« Reply #241 on: March 25, 2012, 12:28:45 AM »
Didn't we do better when he wore suits?

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Re: Support for the manager. Time to plant your flag.
« Reply #242 on: March 25, 2012, 12:28:47 AM »
All for giving the manager time but most of those new signings are no where near good enough, and cost more than a very good player from abroad would. The quality of the team is poor. Just wish some mug of a club wants downing Carroll and Adam

My problem is that as recently as 2 years ago Lucas "wasnt good enough" but with time...
The "older" signings (Downing, Adam) dont have as much luxury with time but still deserve time to adapt, they have both shown signs of their quality (and personally I am not a big fan of Adam)
Henderson and Carroll IMO will mature very very well with age but thats just my opinion, If we had paid 10m for Carroll he would be judged less harshly again IMO.

I come back to one of my original points "When the fuck did we become so impatient"

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Re: Support for the manager. Time to plant your flag.
« Reply #243 on: March 25, 2012, 12:28:51 AM »
The objective was to get into the Champions League. I'm sure the owners would have been happy with a good cup run too, but their main priority was to get back into the top 4.

Well top 4 was an objective that John Henry actually came out and said he hoped would be achieved. Our other objectives are pretty unknown at a management level anyway.

You happen to know if it was stated as clearly as that? If so where might that be found? Only I've not heard it stated as clearly as a top 4 finish this season and I'm not sure that it was?
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Re: Support for the manager. Time to plant your flag.
« Reply #244 on: March 25, 2012, 12:29:41 AM »
No he said failure to qualify would be a huge dissapointment.
You can take that to mean many things, so coming to particular conclusions from it is at worst speculation and at best, just plain bullshit.

Ah, so huge disappointment is ok then. Good stuff.

So if not getting Champions League is a "huge disappointment" then that's not a target at all? Ok.

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Re: Support for the manager. Time to plant your flag.
« Reply #245 on: March 25, 2012, 12:30:06 AM »
We've had the chance, but missed it when we have sacked our manager back in 2010. Whoever takes over as LFC's manager, will never have 5-6 years to get the things moving. Not even Kenny. It is the sad reality of the modern day football.

you make your own reality.
just because every other club gets trigger happy with their manager when things aren't going well doesn't mean we have to follow along.
LFC has always done things its own way, and it's worked pretty well so far.
it's something we should be proud of.
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Re: Support for the manager. Time to plant your flag.
« Reply #246 on: March 25, 2012, 12:30:54 AM »
What are you thinking if you're the owners right now?

To you and I, Kenny is untouchable. A legend for everything he's done for this club, on and off the pitch. He can drag the club down into a relegation fight this season and the next, and I wouldn't lose an ounce of respect for him.

Does that mean he's the right man to manage the club at this time? That's what the owners need to think about.

Right now, the odds are stacked against him. We'd need a colossal turn around in league form as well as actually winning the FA Cup not to look at this season as a write off. None of his purchases in the transfer window (bar Suarez) are looking like they are good buys or even like they will be good buys.

The fact is, if he wasn't King Kenny, we'd be calling for his head. The owners don't have the same type of sentiment we do. They're in it for results.

Well then maybe what's happening right now is a good thing! An acid test for the owners and we can find out what they're really made of. If they don't give Kenny backing, start briefing against him or turn on him then we'll know that Liverpool is now a plastic club and we can find another team to support. The owners should not underestimate what real Liverpool supporters want.

Real Liverpool supporters want the good and right men at the club to be given the patient backing they deserve. We want real organic success and to support a club that has integrity and that we can be proud of.

Plastic fans just crave instant success and marquee signings. I suggest they go support Man City or PSG then.
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Re: Support for the manager. Time to plant your flag.
« Reply #247 on: March 25, 2012, 12:31:28 AM »
I'm sorry I meant milk cup, it's pretty late where I'm at.
Anyway, yeah I watched the game, and was surprised we didn't lose.
The only joy I felt, and I'm being totally honest here, was based in relief.
Relief that we didn't lose against a championship side.

It's nice to win a trophy but winning the milk cup coupled with an inept league campaign isn't progress and doesn't IMO buy Kenny another year.
So if we were to win 2 cups this season you would want him sacked?
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Re: Support for the manager. Time to plant your flag.
« Reply #248 on: March 25, 2012, 12:32:25 AM »
you make your own reality.
just because every other club gets trigger happy with their manager when things aren't going well doesn't mean we have to follow along.
LFC has always done things its own way, and it's worked pretty well so far.
it's something we should be proud of.

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Re: Support for the manager. Time to plant your flag.
« Reply #249 on: March 25, 2012, 12:33:11 AM »
Excellent. Completely agree. Except i'm probably theoretically calling for his head. But in the most respectful way possible.

There is nothing wrong with demanding better league results. However, we should do it in a more dignified way, and show more respect for our current manager. Personally, I am still optimistic about Kenny leading us back into the top 4 next season.

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Re: Support for the manager. Time to plant your flag.
« Reply #250 on: March 25, 2012, 12:33:39 AM »
Sorry I tend to do that to people who think Kenny should be sacked or think he deserves the same respect as Hodgson, and what's more I always will for the next few years!

That's fine, but it's hypocritical to try to ridicule someone doing the same with an opposing view.
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Re: Support for the manager. Time to plant your flag.
« Reply #251 on: March 25, 2012, 12:34:10 AM »
Ah, so huge disappointment is ok then. Good stuff.

So if not getting Champions League is a "huge disappointment" then that's not a target at all? Ok.
Everyone will be dissapointed mate, non more so than the manager, just as everyone is dissapointed in our dip in form and run of results but (once again) the time to judge the season is when the season is over which it isnt yet.
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Re: Support for the manager. Time to plant your flag.
« Reply #252 on: March 25, 2012, 12:34:27 AM »
3? you're having a laugh!
and you say I'm exaggerating?
I'd bet it would be a lot more too if they weren't worried about being (rightly) shot down.

So you're admitting barely anyone has said they wanted Kenny sacked then?

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Re: Support for the manager. Time to plant your flag.
« Reply #253 on: March 25, 2012, 12:34:56 AM »
Our club has been ran disasterously for the last 20 0dd yrs, culminating in the last few yrs. We now have a solid base to work on and it'll take at least 5 yrs to build a team to consistently challenge for the title, my flag is in Kenny's corner, no question, i can wait.

 Shanks would even be hounded out by todays ' i want it now' mob. A lesson there.
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Re: Support for the manager. Time to plant your flag.
« Reply #254 on: March 25, 2012, 12:35:44 AM »
Good post again!
you make your own reality.
just because every other club gets trigger happy with their manager when things aren't going well doesn't mean we have to follow along.
LFC has always done things its own way, and it's worked pretty well so far.
it's something we should be proud of.

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« Reply #255 on: March 25, 2012, 12:36:45 AM »
I've avoided the boards for a few hours in the hope some sanity would return, it's good to see there is still life in the burning ambers of reasonability.

Our Kenny, you know that fella who has ran his socks off for 7 league titles and 3 european cups and a couple of FA Cups...and then carried the unenviable burden of Hillsborough with no moment of question because that's what happens when we need to help each other, that's what we do... where the fuck has that gone?

What did Kenny say when he took the job?.... something about if we all pull together in the same direction? some of the utter fucking detestful shite tonight is the very contradiction of this request..."oh i love king kenny...BUT....

But fucking nothing, a year ago he was a genius, sharp as a whistle.... our 21st century pioneer taking us back to our roots, and now his a bumbling idiot who wouldn't know his arse from his elbow and needs to be taken outside and put down.

How about once some of you clowns wake up and realise the cog that's upsetting the wheel can sit a lot closer to home, than the players, manager and his staff.....

If i read all the shite our supposed supporters write, why the fuck would i give if a shit if i won or lost?... why would you.... no-one else gives a shit, so when your own supporters decide they have no time for you, what do you expect our players to feel? like running through another brick wall to take one 'for the team'

Some people need to wake the fuck up.

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Re: Support for the manager. Time to plant your flag.
« Reply #256 on: March 25, 2012, 12:36:53 AM »
Everyone will be dissapointed mate, non more so than the manager, just as everyone is dissapointed in our dip in form and run of results but (once again) the time to judge the season is when the season is over which it isnt yet.

I'm genuinely a supporter of Kenny as everyone should be and his new tenure here is still in it's infancy. My problem is with those that aren't worried at all by our league form, I just genuinely see no progess in it at all and I'm worried we have developed a small team mentality of purely focusing on cup competitions this season when I think 4th was certainly up for grabs.

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« Reply #257 on: March 25, 2012, 12:38:35 AM »
That's fine, but it's hypocritical to try to ridicule someone doing the same with an opposing view.
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You mean somebody who jumps in here and calls for Kenny's head so soon after he took over, well they deserve ridicule we don't do things that way here unless they are foisted on the fans like Roy was! If they don't know the ethos this club was built on then they should simple as that for me!
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« Reply #258 on: March 25, 2012, 12:38:59 AM »
Oh and I hate it when the ones who want him gone come in and say
'Kenny said himself, no one person is bigger than the club' and then use it against him as some sort of
point scoring excersize in a weak attempt to justify their views.
And before I post I know certain posters might jump on this to once again remind everyone how I once thought Rafa wasnt taking us anywhere and how I tried to support Hodgson, purely because its the thing to do, so dont bother id say cos im not interested.

Its simple, If you honestly thought, after a HUGE rotation of players last summer, Kenny's first proper opportunity to have a look at things and make some changes, that with the likes of Arsenal, City, Chelsea, Utd and Spuds, and now we can add the surprise package of Newcastle in thier, we would a) win the league or b) finish Top 4 without any sort of setbacks, then quite frankly you were living in dreamland as far as im concerned.
Its been a very hard few years for this club and this season has been the 1st season in many that we started completely fresh, all on the same page, no boardroom shite to deal with. Weve won a fucking trophy as well, we are in the semi's of the FA Cup, and from where im sitting we have neither improved or regressed since last year, we are in a similar position.
Kenny should and will stay, he'll have a look in the summer and address some obvious issues, which for me are more to do with mentality, intelliigence and making a huge step in certain players' careers to join us.
Weve played some eye catching stuff, weve played some terrible stuff, but there are many positives to focus on.

Just stick together cos Top 4, Top 10, Relegation, Division fucking 21, Im still gonna support his football club and always hope for the best.
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Re: Support for the manager. Time to plant your flag.
« Reply #259 on: March 25, 2012, 12:39:28 AM »
Our club has been ran disasterously for the last 20 0dd yrs, culminating in the last few yrs. We now have a solid base to work on and it'll take at least 5 yrs to build a team to consistently challenge for the title, my flag is in Kenny's corner, no question, i can wait.

 Shanks would even be hounded out by todays ' i want it now' mob. A lesson there.

You're right mate. Whatever people say, we do have a solid base to build on. We have a man managing our team cut from the same cloth as Shanks and Paisley. Some don't realise how lucky we are. I actually think we should feel very happy and privileged to see Kenny in the dugout.
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« Reply #260 on: March 25, 2012, 12:39:57 AM »
Lets pretend Kenny Dalglish came in with Roy Hodgson's resume of 30 years of mediocrity....would I want Kenny gone?

I honestly wouldn't because i'm pretty happy with a lot of the football we've played, not the results and certainly not the finishing but the football, it's generally been pretty good. I'm not sugar coating it, there's massive holes that need to be addressed, a few players that make me tear my hair out and I think some coaching deficiencies. But overall I think we've improved. It was always going to take time to fix things, for the team to gel and we were always going to make mistakes in the transfer market. Still bar a few isolated performance (Spurs, Bolton, QPR & Wigan) we've looked good on the pitch (though toothless upfront).
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Re: Support for the manager. Time to plant your flag.
« Reply #261 on: March 25, 2012, 12:40:05 AM »
you make your own reality.
just because every other club gets trigger happy with their manager when things aren't going well doesn't mean we have to follow along.
LFC has always done things its own way, and it's worked pretty well so far.
it's something we should be proud of.

Those days are gone. We all live in the same reality, and that is the reality where foreign club owners demand success. Some of them are more patient, some of them are less patient. The bottom line is, the rules of engagement have changed. The media and internet are only making it worse.

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« Reply #262 on: March 25, 2012, 12:41:12 AM »

How about once some of you clowns wake up and realise the cog that's upsetting the wheel can sit a lot closer to home, than the players, manager and his staff.....


So it's all the fans' fault, then?

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« Reply #263 on: March 25, 2012, 12:42:08 AM »
I've avoided the boards for a few hours in the hope some sanity would return, it's good to see there is still life in the burning ambers of reasonability.

Our Kenny, you know that fella who has ran his socks off for 7 league titles and 3 european cups and a couple of FA Cups...and then carried the unenviable burden of Hillsborough with no moment of question because that's what happens when we need to help each other, that's what we do... where the fuck has that gone?

What did Kenny say when he took the job?.... something about if we all pull together in the same direction? some of the utter fucking detestful shite tonight is the very contradiction of this request..."oh i love king kenny...BUT....

But fucking nothing, a year ago he was a genius, sharp as a whistle.... our 21st century pioneer taking us back to our roots, and now his a bumbling idiot who wouldn't know his arse from his elbow and needs to be taken outside and put down.

How about once some of you clowns wake up and realise the cog that's upsetting the wheel can sit a lot closer to home, than the players, manager and his staff.....

If i read all the shite our supposed supporters write, why the fuck would i give if a shit if i won or lost?... why would you.... no-one else gives a shit, so when your own supporters decide they have no time for you, what do you expect our players to feel? like running through another brick wall to take one 'for the team'

Some people need to wake the fuck up.



While this is a good post I still wonder y u give so much credence to the tools on here.  None of them go to games, and most who are against Dalglish have never ever seen Liverpool play outside of the laptop screen

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Re: Support for the manager. Time to plant your flag.
« Reply #264 on: March 25, 2012, 12:42:26 AM »
So if we were to win 2 cups this season you would want him sacked?
Let's not start celebrating yet. We'll cross that bridge in due time.

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Re: Support for the manager. Time to plant your flag.
« Reply #265 on: March 25, 2012, 12:42:28 AM »
Deffo mate. Theres now a lot of good teams out there. Look at how well Spurs have pushed on for example. Its a tough old football world out there. Lets see what the summer brings.

I have been told without looking at tables had we won against qpr & wigan we would have been 6 pts behind 4th? Considering our form & how poor league is that would have given a massive lift til end of season.

Its a big opportunity missed gatecrashing champs league spot as teams in top 5 will get better & make it more difficult to close the gap.


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« Reply #266 on: March 25, 2012, 12:42:34 AM »
Still got alot of faith in Kenny and find it mad that some seemingly want him out but at the same time i have alot of questions and alot of things i dont understand.

I cant remember the last time i've seen so many decisions from the manager and the club as a whole that have left me completely baffled. Kenny just like any manager needs time, we need to back him and give him time to properly put his stamp on the team iron out the mistakes and get this team not just playing how he wants them to but getting results from it aswell. I've seen us play some brilliant football at times this season but our main problems were not addressed when it was necessary and it has in my opinion cost us dear. Chance after chance has gone begging and i've lost count of the amount of times our side has looked about as solid in the centre as a rolo, for me this could have been dealt with but there could be a number of reasons why it was not so i have some understanding towards the management team.

Some people need to learn that it takes time to build a successful side, its not something that just instantly happens overnight, yes mistakes where made in the transfer market in the summer but surely we should be looking to what will be done to remedy that this summer rather than just dwelling on something that cannot be changed now. I wasn't happy with the january window atall but this is just me, there are problems in our side that i have been frustrated about for some time and they haven't been dealt with but i am willing to wait to see if we will actually see to them before i fly off the handle about them. Patience is key and of course its incredibly hard, after the game today i nearly threw my laptop across the room with rage, losing to wigan was infuriating and i hate seeing bad results from us as much as anyone but still we need to support the manager.

I really dont think Kenny should go and i find it mad some do, i would hate nothing more than to see my team become another chelsea who sack managers the instant things go wrong. How long do i think he should get ? I honestly don't know, how do you just put a timescale on something like that so simply ? so many factors come into play throughout the course of a managers tenure that can affect decisions. Granted we see some positive changes made and the club is going in the right direction i am happy. The recent signings have brought mixed results but im interested to see how Kenny will look to rectify this rather than just focusing on all the negatives.

I'm rather pessimistic when it comes to our team, i don't seem myself as a bad fan and i tend to avoid making kneejerk comments as soon as something bad happens. I'm mainly pessimistic because i think we make too many mistakes over and over before realising it and actively seeking to change the problem at hand. The amount of times we've needed the exact same kind of player for certain positions and im still yet to see a single one of them signed is the kind of thing i mean, it makes me want to rip my hair out but i don't see it changing and so far i've been right, i wish i wasn't but this kind of thing draws immediate pessimism from me in certain situations.

I fully support kenny but as i've said many times i will never be the type to just agree with anything and everything a manager says and does regardless of who they are. Some of his decisions baffle me and in my opinion they need to change if we are to see more reward on the pitch, without even going into the whole buying and selling players debate, focusing solely on our current players there are a few things i feel are doing more harm than good on the field.

Henderson playing on the right, it clearly does not work. It doesn't suit him, it doesn't suit the team. He should never be out there, just as Lucas should never be out there, just as spearing should never be out there.

Gerrard at centre mid in a 2 man midfield, again it clearly doesn't work. He needs to either be in a midfield three or playing attacking mid, simple as. He has the discipline, i disagree when people say he doesn't, but it does not suit his natural game atall.

Suarez upfront alone, play him from wide. He looks like a different player coming in from the wide positions and links up with his teammates so much more effectively when he's starting out wide. If he was finishing more consistently then by all means he would be great to start upfront as a lone striker but he seems to be more effective in the wide areas.

CB's at fullback, it hinders us going forward and dropping back. They should only be used there if it is the ONLY option available. I mean only if Enrique, Aurelio, Robinson, Kelly, Flanagan and Johnson are all unavailable should there be a CB at left back. Or only if its an injury and we have no more substitutes available/no fullbacks atall on the bench.

Theres so much more to touch on but people are being too extreme right now in my opinion, Kenny shouldn't walk or be fired but at the same time Kenny isn't above all kinds of criticism because constructive criticism does exist and not everyone with a difference of opinion to the manager is being disrespectful.

Kenny can take us where we need to go but as much as he needs to look at his team and whether they are doing enough to get us there he needs to look at himself and some of his decisions (and i dont mean one off decisions).

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« Reply #267 on: March 25, 2012, 12:43:10 AM »
It is impossible for me to show you how much i agree with you about the fans who turned on Rafa. I have never been so mentally attached to another human being without either being related to them or having sex with them.
However, this is a different situation and should be looked at differently.
Cups are great but they don't really show progress in my view. Middlesborough got to two finals in the same season as they got relegated. The league is the real barometer.
And in that we are sinking like a great big stone.

And the style of play thing.
Pretty patterns are lovely but without end product it can't be classified as good football because its not working.

Glad to see a fellow lover of Rafa. But I feel like some are doing that to Kenny right now. He needs to be given time. 14 months is not enough time.

You do bring a good point about Boro. But two things: Boro lost both finals, and their league form was far worse than ours. I believe that this season in the league has still been better overall to last?

As most have observed, we lack a finisher. The football has deserved an end product. But a combination of poor finishing and hitting the post/bar more than any other team in the league have been a factor.
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Re: Support for the manager. Time to plant your flag.
« Reply #268 on: March 25, 2012, 12:43:28 AM »
You mean somebody who jumps in here and calls for Kenny's head so soon after he took over, well they deserve ridicule we don't do things that way here unless they are foisted on the fans like Roy was! If they don't know the ethos this club was built on then they should simple as that for me!

I agree that there's been some shocking stuff said on here with regards to Kenny. The problem is that people that are voicing their concerns in a constructive manner, as opposed to just crying "KENNY OUT!", are getting stick as well. Not just from you, I hasten to add, because it's fairly rife on here. It's tiresome to read and it destroys any realistic chance for debate - which is why we're all taking the time to post on a forum, surely?

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Re: Support for the manager. Time to plant your flag.
« Reply #269 on: March 25, 2012, 12:43:47 AM »
So it's all the fans' fault, then?


Of course it isn't you utter tool.... but our job is to support the club and team - and some are doing a piss poor job of that at the moment, because rather than engage in the principles of the club they'd rather have their pound of flesh.

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Re: Support for the manager. Time to plant your flag.
« Reply #270 on: March 25, 2012, 12:45:09 AM »
I think part of the reason it's so hard to not think back to Rafa was JUST HOW BLOODY GOOD OF A MANAGER HE WAS FOR US.  Champions league finals for fun, building a squad, devastating performances in Europe.. brink of a title.  There are some of us who were behind him 100%, saw what he was doing, and wanted more of it.  Some of us were apoplectic when he was sacked for a bad season where it was clearly a case of being hung over mentally and physically from the title push in 09 and from the turmoil caused by those charlatan owners.  We still went to the Europa semis, remember? For a lot of us, Rafa is practically Shankly, he is, quite clearly, a genius of football.  He turned Torres into a monster who nearly won us the league.  He grabbed up a mesmerizing DM in Mascherano who might have been the best in that position in the world.  He had Reina keeping all of Europe at bay.  Shit, there were times when I thought nobody could score against him, he was so reliable and amazing.  Some of us want to get that train back on the tracks, because he really was/is that good.  Rafa's tactical nous is second to none, and it was obvious the way he set us up, season after season.  We just played 'better' teams off the park, it became obvious we were the better team.  Rafa was the best manager we've had, for decades.  It's hard for those of us who saw him go so unjustly to get over it, it still is hard. 

Now, I love Kenny.  I think he's a great man, a great player, and certainly a capable manager.  But he's been out of the top level game for over a decade, and his last spell with Newcastle was not something that would inspire me to pick him for a permanent post here. 

Rafa is that man.  He was at his absolute pomp in the late 2000's and we were clearly destined for great things with him at the helm.  Kenny is in his 60's now, and it's tough sometimes for some fellas when they get older.  Not all, but some.  I just don't see the vision, the setting up, the tactics, the players being bought.. it's clearly not come together.  Sometimes you just have to be honest with yourself about the level of the challenge you are facing.  I'm not saying sack Kenny, but I sure as hell never said sack Rafa, and no one with a particle of footballing sense in their brain ever said that either.  I was willing to forgive Rafa for one bad season, but he earned that after 5 very good ones.  It's hard, is all.  Nobody wants their club to suffer.

 If Rafa wasn't available I wouldn't even bother writing this, but he is.

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Re: Support for the manager. Time to plant your flag.
« Reply #271 on: March 25, 2012, 12:46:18 AM »
I think he will be given the summer to fix things. But if we start the next season near relegation zone like Arsenal did, I'm not sure the owners will be that patient with him.

It's not really up to the fans is it?

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Re: Support for the manager. Time to plant your flag.
« Reply #272 on: March 25, 2012, 12:49:01 AM »
Sell Carroll.

Sell Adam and give his SQUAD place to Henderson. Relegate Downing to the bench. Give Carragher's position to Coates. Relegate Kuyt to the bench or further.

Buy a couple of wingers in the Summer, a CM and a striker.

Get those accquisitions wrong as we have previously or continue to back under performing recent accquisitions and I honeestly believe they will cost him his job if they haven't already.

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Re: Support for the manager. Time to plant your flag.
« Reply #273 on: March 25, 2012, 12:53:45 AM »
I agree that there's been some shocking stuff said on here with regards to Kenny. The problem is that people that are voicing their concerns in a constructive manner, as opposed to just crying "KENNY OUT!", are getting stick as well. Not just from you, I hasten to add, because it's fairly rife on here. It's tiresome to read and it destroys any realistic chance for debate - which is why we're all taking the time to post on a forum, surely?

Problem is that there is much rubbish in here after the game any criticism will get jumped on along with the stupid posts that's why the round table used to be better for a sensible discussion another point is there are guys who have been in Rawk a lot longer than most who won't come in the match threads because of the shite in it and that can't be right either!
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Re: Support for the manager. Time to plant your flag.
« Reply #274 on: March 25, 2012, 12:53:54 AM »
More than ever we need to put our faith in Kenny and believe the project will work. Just over a year ago the cancers nearly destroyed our club and Kenny made us all smile and believe again. For fu*ks sake he's brought us one trophy and another trip to Wembley in his first full year. Let's see where we are at the end of the season and what summer brings. 

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Re: Support for the manager. Time to plant your flag.
« Reply #275 on: March 25, 2012, 12:59:02 AM »
Kenny, like any other manager in the world would, needs time to rebuild this team into a one that can compete for and qualify for the Champions League. We've had our problems, injuries, and what not this season. I for one would give him another season to make things right.

However, if we fail to win the FA Cup that is time that he won't be given by our owners. Kenny hasn't done himself any favors with our performances in the league this season. We've been dire, and our league position reflects that. Nobody expected a title challenge, but our owners, much like the fans, would have at least expected some sort of adequate challenge for fourth place. Some sort of progress, so we can at least show that we're not far off. That hasn't happened. We have regressed if anything else.

If we fail to win the FA Cup come May and salvage some pride this season, I have no doubt that our shrewd owners will force Kenny out if he doesn't leave himself. We might love Kenny, but our owners love money. Fact is he's blown a massive amount of theirs for absolutely nothing. We won't finish 4th, won't get any money that comes out of the CL and have shown absolutely NO signs that we can at least challenge for it. They wanted 4th place come the start of the season and made that clear. Football is a business, and i'm sure our owners couldn't give a flying fuck about what Kenny's done in the past and what he means to this club. Very sad, but true.

I'm expecting replies of "fuck off go support another club if you can't support Kenny" or "WUM in disguise" but honestly if anyone believes otherwise you are in strong denial or you need to have your head examined.

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Re: Support for the manager. Time to plant your flag.
« Reply #276 on: March 25, 2012, 02:00:20 AM »
Away from the emotion in total business terms if JH  sacked Kenny it would be the biggest PR disaster of his career, after all for now they have a guy who bleeds for this club and allowed himself to be the fall guy for them over the handshake business! Also they know they need the fanbase with them after the last lot and recklessly sacking Kenny this soon would destroy any credibility they have!
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Re: Support for the manager. Time to plant your flag.
« Reply #277 on: March 25, 2012, 02:01:03 AM »
Kenny, like any other manager in the world would, needs time to rebuild this team into a one that can compete for and qualify for the Champions League. We've had our problems, injuries, and what not this season. I for one would give him another season to make things right.

However, if we fail to win the FA Cup that is time that he won't be given by our owners. Kenny hasn't done himself any favors with our performances in the league this season. We've been dire, and our league position reflects that. Nobody expected a title challenge, but our owners, much like the fans, would have at least expected some sort of adequate challenge for fourth place. Some sort of progress, so we can at least show that we're not far off. That hasn't happened. We have regressed if anything else.

If we fail to win the FA Cup come May and salvage some pride this season, I have no doubt that our shrewd owners will force Kenny out if he doesn't leave himself. We might love Kenny, but our owners love money. Fact is he's blown a massive amount of theirs for absolutely nothing. We won't finish 4th, won't get any money that comes out of the CL and have shown absolutely NO signs that we can at least challenge for it. They wanted 4th place come the start of the season and made that clear. Football is a business, and i'm sure our owners couldn't give a flying fuck about what Kenny's done in the past and what he means to this club. Very sad, but true.

I'm expecting replies of "fuck off go support another club if you can't support Kenny" or "WUM in disguise" but honestly if anyone believes otherwise you are in strong denial or you need to have your head examined.

I agree completely. But as for the bolded part, what worrys me, and it's become a bit of a cliché now, but most of the players we've signed are not top four players, and have performed, for the large part - badly.
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Re: Support for the manager. Time to plant your flag.
« Reply #278 on: March 25, 2012, 02:04:31 AM »
Away from the emotion in total business terms if JH  sacked Kenny it would be the biggest PR disaster of his career, after all for now they have a guy who bleeds for this club and allowed himself to be the fall guy for them over the handshake business! Also they know they need the fanbase with them after the last lot and recklessly sacking Kenny this soon would destroy any credibility they have!
So for me unless Kenny himself has had enough he will be the manager next season and beyond!

I think this is true, but, and don't kill me for this, I think that is exactly why it was the wrong decision to hire Dalglish back in the first place. The only way they can escape unscathed is Kenny resigning. They have backed themselves into a corner now.
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Re: Support for the manager. Time to plant your flag.
« Reply #279 on: March 25, 2012, 02:06:31 AM »
its not right to call for his head because we all know his talents and skills as a manager as well as his status and what he achived, but the supporters have the right to be questioning his decision tactics etc. its a natural part of the game.

Provided the dissertation of s tactics is reasoned and logical that's correct.

A considerable amounts of posts have not been made in that manner.
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