Author Topic: A call for calm tonight (Read 4011 times)

lionel_messias · « **on:** March 24, 2012, 05:03:50 PM »

People are going to get themselves banned. Wums are going to emerge from their hives.

A very disappointing result again. It looks like our league form has imploded. It now looks like our team is only half built and the management staff are
not getting the results they want.

It is time to take stock, as we should remember years of decline cannot be erased in two transfer windows. That said it looks very very poor at the moment. My theory is that the one area our club can never take chances on is central midfield. Not so long ago we were really strong there, with two of the best players in European football controlling games and Steven Gerrard marauding ahead of them. A few short years pass.

I think we have to accept it will be very difficult for Kenny to say the right thing this evening. We were poor, are poor based on league form and his signings have to be in question now. But he knows his business and should be allowed to correct the mistakes this summer.

steve10 · « **Reply #1 on:** March 24, 2012, 05:06:10 PM »

Stop making excuses for Kenny. He cannot motivate the players he has signed and he needs to go.

kennedy81 · « **Reply #2 on:** March 24, 2012, 05:06:55 PM »

not even going to bother posting in the post match thread.
don't see why that second goal was disallowed.
then a lucky deflection for their second, story of our season.
played some good football up til then, but the response when we went 2-1 down was disappointing.

I've no problem with letting Kenny take stock during the summer and see where we go from there,
plenty to look forward too and be positive about, despite some horrendous results.

Mashy-rawr!nooo · « **Reply #3 on:** March 24, 2012, 05:07:33 PM »

Quote from: steve10 on March 24, 2012, 05:06:10 PM

he has signed and he needs to go.

Alright buddy. Whats it your drinking?

lionel_messias · « **Reply #4 on:** March 24, 2012, 05:07:50 PM »

Quote from: steve10 on March 24, 2012, 05:06:10 PM

Stop making excuses for Kenny. He cannot motivate the players he has signed and he needs to go.

That's the kind of thinking you get at other clubs. I'm not making any excuses, our league form is terrible and something is wrong for sure. Based on the idea we were supposed to be improving from 7th spot.

reddd10 · « **Reply #5 on:** March 24, 2012, 05:07:59 PM »

Quote from: ThepepeReina on March 24, 2012, 05:06:57 PM

Roy would of been sacked by now. Why not kenny? because we like him as a person? i dont care who he is results matter, and he isnt getting them.

Roy didn't win a trophy three weeks ago.

kennedy81 · « **Reply #6 on:** March 24, 2012, 05:08:23 PM »

Quote from: ThepepeReina on March 24, 2012, 05:06:57 PM

Roy would of been sacked by now. Why not kenny? because we like him as a person? i dont care who he is results matter, and he isnt getting them.

jesus christ, the football we were playing under Hodge was woeful,
there's no comparison.

ThepepeReina · « **Reply #7 on:** March 24, 2012, 05:08:50 PM »

Quote from: reddd10 on March 24, 2012, 05:07:59 PM

Roy didn't win a trophy three weeks ago.

He also had a negative net spend.

RyanBabel19 · « **Reply #8 on:** March 24, 2012, 05:09:53 PM »

Quote from: kennedy81 on March 24, 2012, 05:06:55 PM

not even going to bother posting in the post match thread.
don't see why that second goal was disallowed.
then a lucky deflection for their second, story of our season.
played some good football up til then, but the response when we went 2-1 down was disappointing.

I've no problem with letting Kenny take stock during the summer and see where we go from there,
plenty to look forward too and be positive about, despite some horrendous results.

To be fair that was blatant handball for the second and correctly ruled out in my opinion

PowderKeg · « **Reply #9 on:** March 24, 2012, 05:10:10 PM »

OP is right.

Liverpool lost to Wigan. And Wigan have been brillant this season.

There is simply no reason for anyone who supports Liverpool to be upset with what's gone on for the last 90 minutes.

Crosby Nick · « **Reply #10 on:** March 24, 2012, 05:10:51 PM »

Two things: none of our current problems have an instant fix. We are in a rut at the moment and bar the odd cameo from the likes of Sterling we don't have a huge amount of options, just a case of juggling what we have.

Second - don't be twats about it all. Everyone's annoyed and frustrated. Some of us what different things but don't all act like spoilt kids. Take a breather and don't bother arguing on here when emotions are high unless you just want every thread locked. One day the powers that be may decide this place is more trouble than it is worth and lock it all and then you'll have a bunch of angry nerds looking to hunt you down. Especially Mouth and he looks like Dog The Bounty Hunter.

PIPA23 · « **Reply #11 on:** March 24, 2012, 05:11:50 PM »

Quote from: steve10 on March 24, 2012, 05:06:10 PM

Stop making excuses for Kenny. He cannot motivate the players he has signed and he needs to go.

motivate for what? that´s about the maximum they can do for us i´m affraid..

problem is not the motivation to perform, the problem is they give up after each time we score or someone scores against us...

we don´t have any drive what so ever..

-RedTilDead- · « **Reply #12 on:** March 24, 2012, 05:12:38 PM »

Quote from: ThepepeReina on March 24, 2012, 05:06:57 PM

Roy would of been sacked by now. Why not kenny? because we like him as a person? i dont care who he is results matter, and he isnt getting them.

Because Kenny is a true red and we trust him and are willing to give him time, like almost all of our managers. Roy was not a red, never would have been a red and we didn't trust him.

Danny_ · « **Reply #13 on:** March 24, 2012, 05:12:54 PM »

People calling for Kenny's head should be banned. It's been bad but it's one season. If we sack managers after one poor season, we are never going to build anything. Who do you want - Mourinho? Do you honestly think he'd trade Real Madrid for us.

11 friends · « **Reply #14 on:** March 24, 2012, 05:14:03 PM »

Quote from: lionel_messias on March 24, 2012, 05:03:50 PM

People are going to get themselves banned. Wums are going to emerge from their hives.

A very disappointing result again. It looks like our league form has imploded. It now looks like our team is only half built and the management staff are
not getting the results they want.

It is time to take stock, as we should remember years of decline cannot be erased in two transfer windows. That said it looks very very poor at the moment. My theory is that the one area our club can never take chances on is central midfield. Not so long ago we were really strong there, with two of the best players in European football controlling games and Steven Gerrard marauding ahead of them. A few short years pass.

I think we have to accept it will be very difficult for Kenny to say the right thing this evening. We were poor, are poor based on league form and his signings have to be in question now. But he knows his business and should be allowed to correct the mistakes this summer.

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ThepepeReina · « **Reply #15 on:** March 24, 2012, 05:14:28 PM »

Quote from: Danny_ on March 24, 2012, 05:12:54 PM

People calling for Kenny's head should be banned. It's been bad but it's one season. If we sack managers after one poor season, we are never going to build anything. Who do you want - Mourinho? Do you honestly think he'd trade Real Madrid for us.

Ino sacking a manager after one bad season is wrong i totally agree. So what the fuck happened with rafa?

Gromit · « **Reply #16 on:** March 24, 2012, 05:14:45 PM »

Quote from: lionel_messias on March 24, 2012, 05:03:50 PM

A very disappointing result again. It looks like our league form has imploded. It now looks like our team is only half built and the management staff are
I think we have to accept it will be very difficult for Kenny to say the right thing this evening. We were poor, are poor based on league form and his signings have to be in question now. But he knows his business and should be allowed to correct the mistakes this summer.

Agree nothing should be changed until the summer. Think it's the extent of that change that will split the fans almost 50-50 now.

kennedy81 · « **Reply #17 on:** March 24, 2012, 05:14:46 PM »

Quote from: RyanBabel19 on March 24, 2012, 05:09:53 PM

To be fair that was blatant handball for the second and correctly ruled out in my opinion

fair enough, didn't see it myself, thought it was ruled out for a push.

Malaysian Kopite · « **Reply #18 on:** March 24, 2012, 05:14:47 PM »

Quote from: kennedy81 on March 24, 2012, 05:06:55 PM

not even going to bother posting in the post match thread.
don't see why that second goal was disallowed.
then a lucky deflection for their second, story of our season.
played some good football up til then, but the response when we went 2-1 down was disappointing.

I've no problem with letting Kenny take stock during the summer and see where we go from there,
plenty to look forward too and be positive about, despite some horrendous results.

The disallowed goal was a clear handball.

Wigan's second was due to the defense doing nothing.

lionel_messias · « **Reply #19 on:** March 24, 2012, 05:15:03 PM »

Quote from: PowderKeg on March 24, 2012, 05:10:10 PM

OP is right.

Liverpool lost to Wigan. And Wigan have been brillant this season.

There is simply no reason for anyone who supports Liverpool to be upset with what's gone on for the last 90 minutes.

Yeah, you are being sarcastic but actually that is not what I said. We should be upset about tonight, and QPR and Sunderland etc but we should wait before calling for anyone's head. One poor season, albeit with at least one trophy, should not mean people moving or losing their management jobs.

kennedy81 · « **Reply #20 on:** March 24, 2012, 05:15:13 PM »

Quote from: ThepepeReina on March 24, 2012, 05:14:28 PM

Ino sacking a manager after one bad season is wrong i totally agree. So what the fuck happened with rafa?

politics.

BazC · « **Reply #21 on:** March 24, 2012, 05:15:44 PM »

Quote from: lionel_messias on March 24, 2012, 05:07:50 PM

That's the kind of thinking you get at other clubs. I'm not making any excuses, our league form is terrible and something is wrong for sure. Based on the idea we were supposed to be improving from 7th spot.

You spend £100m in the summer to challenge for 4th and get absolutely nowhere near... we've gone a few steps backwards even since the end of last season. We were playing good football when Kenny came in, but since the summer it's been a steady decline.

I have to admit, I am starting to wonder if, in terms of football, the grass is greener on this side. I can't make a compelling case to say that it is to be honest.

Massive mistakes were made in the summer, fair enough. But there's been nothing in the season to suggest that they're recoverable ones. The players have been playing worse as the season's progressed, and the management/coaching team doesn't seem to have driven any positive change either.

Of course, we've won a trophy, which is nice- but it's not really big enough to erase the massive steps back we've taken in the league.

It's been a very sobering month of football when it comes to the league...

nutmegger · « **Reply #22 on:** March 24, 2012, 05:16:02 PM »

Has the manager lost the dressing room? Can't motivate players?

Melbred · « **Reply #23 on:** March 24, 2012, 05:17:17 PM »

Kenny isn't the only one to blame tonight.

The players were absolutely pathetic, and showed no fight or heart at all.

USC19Babel · « **Reply #24 on:** March 24, 2012, 05:17:19 PM »

Really difficult to defend the players or manager today

lionel_messias · « **Reply #25 on:** March 24, 2012, 05:17:54 PM »

Quote from: 11 friends on March 24, 2012, 05:14:03 PM

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trying to be balanced. Bad at politics. I'm just saying the kneejerk response is obvious. Truth is, it always be hard to defend anyone against back to back defeats to QPR and Wigan. Owners will be perplexed.

-RedTilDead- · « **Reply #26 on:** March 24, 2012, 05:18:26 PM »

Quote from: nutmegger on March 24, 2012, 05:16:02 PM

Has the manager lost the dressing room? Can't motivate players?

They looked motivated after the break so that must have come from Kenny. Shame it didn't last. Very odd indeed.

to get rid of the One. · « **Reply #27 on:** March 24, 2012, 05:19:42 PM »

Calm from us maybe. But something radical has to be done by the club. I'm not talking about the manager or players or owners or a specific entity. We are just not that good enough and neither are our expectations helping.

G1 Jockey 4(betfair) · « **Reply #28 on:** March 24, 2012, 05:19:45 PM »

A bad run and you can use "kneejerk"
You can't hide behind that or sentiment any more

GeneticRed · « **Reply #29 on:** March 24, 2012, 05:20:13 PM »

People are entitled to ask whether he should be replaced in the summer.

No one knows and loves this club more than Kenny and he will always be a hero to us all.

Bt it's also possible to know this and feel he's not the right man for the job.

He spent ten years out of the game at the highest level when his rivals were either still in the game or learning the very best that coaching has to offer.

As much as he was and is a superman to us, unfortunately he is light years behind the techniques and strategies needed to compete at the very top level of this sport in 2012.

We can still love him and have him in our hearts forever whilst acknowledging this fact.

lionel_messias · « **Reply #30 on:** March 24, 2012, 05:20:15 PM »

Quote from: BazC on March 24, 2012, 05:15:44 PM

It's been a very sobering month of football when it comes to the league...

Can't disagree with that. It is like a whole month of freezing cold water in the face and genitals.

Ickle Girl · « **Reply #31 on:** March 24, 2012, 05:20:57 PM »

Like I said in the match thread at half time, if Dalglish wasn't our manager there would be uproar and you all know it.

GTM1 · « **Reply #32 on:** March 24, 2012, 05:21:20 PM »

King Kenny will allways be King Kenny, however he is out of touch and the sooner he calls for help the better.

Yes he won the Carling cup , but that was a struggle. we where not playing Southampton even, it was Cardiff and we only just won it after extra time and pens.

His signings are one thing , however he cannot change the game.

I really hope he calls it a day.

He should give Rafa a call and get some help.

£35million and you keep him on the bench.

pick up the phone.

Rafa with decent owners would be awersome.

We want Rafa!

USC19Babel · « **Reply #33 on:** March 24, 2012, 05:22:28 PM »

Quote from: G1 Jockey 4(betfair) on March 24, 2012, 05:19:45 PM

A bad run and you can use "kneejerk"
You can't hide behind that or sentiment any more

Quote from: Wals Viennetta. on March 24, 2012, 05:20:57 PM

Like I said in the match thread at half time, if Dalglish wasn't our manager there would be uproar and you all know it.

This and this. It's dangerous in any situation when leaders become exempted from normal criticism and questioning.

robbie keane · « **Reply #34 on:** March 24, 2012, 05:25:18 PM »

I don't think anyone expected instant success but perhaps some form of improvement or signs we are heading in the right direction. Hand on heart can you agree we have got the best out of the players available, many have gone backward never mind shown signs of growing. That is my concern, I can accept 8th, 9th, 10th spot but only if the signs of improvement are there.

-RedTilDead- · « **Reply #35 on:** March 24, 2012, 05:25:26 PM »

Quote from: USC19Babel on March 24, 2012, 05:22:28 PM

This and this. It's dangerous in any situation when leaders become exempted from normal criticism and questioning.

He isn't exempt from normal criticism and questioning. Not at all. He just gets more leeway and patience. Or at least he should... we are not Chelsea.

Brentie · « **Reply #36 on:** March 24, 2012, 05:26:00 PM »

The thing is, where do we go from here?

Kuyt and Maxi look like they're on their way this Summer. Carra is on his last legs. Gerrard can't play every game like before.Neither can Bellamy.

Carroll, Henderson and Downing are 3 of the worst transfers in the history of LFC. We'll be lucky to get half our money back on all 3.

How do we proceed this Summer? How many players do we need? How much money can we raise? Can Kenny bite the bullet on his duds?

Wingman · « **Reply #37 on:** March 24, 2012, 05:26:04 PM »

Quote from: GTM1 on March 24, 2012, 05:21:20 PM

King Kenny will allways be King Kenny, however he is out of touch and the sooner he calls for help the better.

Yes he won the Carling cup , but that was a struggle. we where not playing Southampton even, it was Cardiff and we only just won it after extra time and pens.

His signings are one thing , however he cannot change the game.

I really hope he calls it a day.

He should give Rafa a call and get some help.

£35million and you keep him on the bench.

pick up the phone.

Rafa with decent owners would be awersome.

We want Rafa!

Kenny has won a trophy in his first season and now you want him out after one bad season in the league?

Anything there sound familiar?

noname · « **Reply #38 on:** March 24, 2012, 05:28:25 PM »

Quote from: kennedy81 on March 24, 2012, 05:06:55 PM

not even going to bother posting in the post match thread.
don't see why that second goal was disallowed.
then a lucky deflection for their second, story of our season.
played some good football up til then, but the response when we went 2-1 down was disappointing.

I've no problem with letting Kenny take stock during the summer and see where we go from there,
plenty to look forward too and be positive about, despite some horrendous results.

There really is no excuses, no bad luck, no referee errors to defend that performance. The 2nd goal was a hand ball by Suarez, clear as day.

BazC · « **Reply #39 on:** March 24, 2012, 05:28:53 PM »

Quote from: Wingman on March 24, 2012, 05:26:04 PM

Kenny has won a trophy in his first season and now you want him out after one bad season in the league?

Anything there sound familiar?

The Carling Cup win was great, but in the grand scheme of things, it's not massive. It's not making up for the fact that in the league, things are nowhere near where they need to be and have started going backwards.