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Re: full time Liverpool 1-2 Wigan Athletic
« Reply #1400 on: March 24, 2012, 10:09:51 PM »
You not notice the big ineffectual pony-tailed feller for half the game?

You not see where I said last 7 games he started?
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Re: full time Liverpool 1-2 Wigan Athletic
« Reply #1401 on: March 24, 2012, 10:10:58 PM »
Flanagan played very well having had very little playing time

and a debut for Sterling who didn't look overawed by his debut

some good points about modern society and the expectancy - the crowd today was abysmal not sure which was the more embarassing -  on the pitch or off it - but this thread seems to reflect society as a whole - self important opinion, demanding instant gratification, very little patience - if that genuinely is the new crowd,  the new Liverpool Way , the way the current fan (old and young) want it to be then fuck it - its not really worth anything is it?  - if you are just going to 'buy' success whats the point of the whole bleedin game?

I'm not defending Kenny or the players after today, we were rubbish - thats everybody - just wondering what the fans expect when they exhibit the exact same behaivour as the players - how many fans wrote off 4th - generally the exact same fans blaming the players for not turning up today and writing off 4th, almost to  a man - what do you actually expect - we are all supposed to be in this together - we can't be in it together when everybody values their own opinion above the club - we can't be in it together when everybody points the finger, we can't be in it together when we are blaming each other or are we only in it together when we win? Is that the new way? As a player would you want to play in front of this bipolar crowd - who'll blame you for everything - who slag you for trying your best - and at the same time ask where the loyalty is, why they dont take pride in the shirt?

The 'old ways' meant  the fans used to support the team and they were rewarded by players who wore the shirt with pride, who gave their all - nowadays? - why the fuck should they? Why should Henderson give a toss when all he gets is abuse? When modern fans demand everything for ££££ why should the player do anything else?

all well and good saying times have changed - well if they have dont expect the same things we used to - times have changed.

the supporters have a responsibility whether its  a forum or a match to support - very few on here take that responsibility seriously and yet its exactly the same no marks who demand something more from the players - the hypocrisy is staggering

in the last fortnight we battered Everton, we out fought Stoke, we slaughtered QPR for 75 minutes - then we've capitulated to QPR in 15 mad minutes and been out thought and fought by Wigan - that does not mean everything is dreadful, it does not mean everything is good - so a little perspective may be called for.

I'm disgusted with some in here as I am with todays performance. The calls for Dalglish to go are a disgrace imo they say more about our fans base than even the morgue of an atmosphere today.

exactly what makes LFC different to any other club when we behave exactly the same? going by this thread nothing and we are getting everything our support deserves.



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Re: full time Liverpool 1-2 Wigan Athletic
« Reply #1402 on: March 24, 2012, 10:11:49 PM »
Liverpool results in last 7 games Andy Carroll's started: WWDWWWW

Last 9 without him:
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Re: full time Liverpool 1-2 Wigan Athletic
« Reply #1403 on: March 24, 2012, 10:12:04 PM »
You not see where I said last 7 games he started?

Yeah, and?  The point is he never made any difference.  There was no evidence from watching the game today (you did watch it I take it?) that playing Carroll from the start would have made any difference at all.

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Re: full time Liverpool 1-2 Wigan Athletic
« Reply #1404 on: March 24, 2012, 10:13:52 PM »
You not see where I said last 7 games he started?
Club needs to hire him as a mascot then.

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Re: full time Liverpool 1-2 Wigan Athletic
« Reply #1405 on: March 24, 2012, 10:16:47 PM »
Yeah, and?  The point is he never made any difference.  There was no evidence from watching the game today (you did watch it I take it?) that playing Carroll from the start would have made any difference at all.

I found the stats very interesting, and they are very impressive. I believe Andy Carroll is a better player when he starts, yes. And that's no matter how early in the game he comes on, maybe it's a mental thing.

I just find it weird that Kenny has complained in the past about not being able to play Suarez, Carroll and Gerrard together, and now when he has the chances he refuses.
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Re: full time Liverpool 1-2 Wigan Athletic
« Reply #1406 on: March 24, 2012, 10:17:16 PM »
The only plus was a few of the youngsters got a run out today. Terrible performance and result.

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Re: full time Liverpool 1-2 Wigan Athletic
« Reply #1407 on: March 24, 2012, 10:20:10 PM »
I don't know what others think about Kenny citing tiredness as a reason/excuse but I thought for example Gerrard looked absolutely shattered today and way off the pace so I don't think Kenny is that far off the truth there. He could hardly have rested Stevie or Suarez but after Everton, Stoke and QPR in quick succession there is no doubt some of the players like those two, our most important players, looked jaded to me.

Thought Suarez made some uncharacteristic mistakes with his passing, as did others.  It could be that tiredness contributed to that.

Was odd but I thought a few of them looked a bit like they were taking it easy in the warm up too.  There was a really weird atmosphere about the place from the start.

For the record, Kenny is the man for the job but not infallible - he's made mistakes but will get it right sooner rather than later.

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Re: full time Liverpool 1-2 Wigan Athletic
« Reply #1408 on: March 24, 2012, 10:20:14 PM »
I found the stats very interesting, and they are very impressive. I believe Andy Carroll is a better player when he starts, yes. And that's no matter how early in the game he comes on, maybe it's a mental thing.

I just find it weird that Kenny has complained in the past about not being able to play Suarez, Carroll and Gerrard together, and now when he has the chances he refuses.

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Re: full time Liverpool 1-2 Wigan Athletic
« Reply #1409 on: March 24, 2012, 10:21:09 PM »
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Re: full time Liverpool 1-2 Wigan Athletic
« Reply #1410 on: March 24, 2012, 10:23:47 PM »
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« Reply #1411 on: March 24, 2012, 10:24:40 PM »
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Re: full time Liverpool 1-2 Wigan Athletic
« Reply #1412 on: March 24, 2012, 10:28:39 PM »
I found the stats very interesting, and they are very impressive. I believe Andy Carroll is a better player when he starts, yes. And that's no matter how early in the game he comes on, maybe it's a mental thing.

I just find it weird that Kenny has complained in the past about not being able to play Suarez, Carroll and Gerrard together, and now when he has the chances he refuses.

It's an interesting theory, I'll be keeping an eye on it.  I don't think there is enough data on the stat to rule out it simply being a weird anomaly.  Rather like the one we used to have about being better without Gerrard.

My own theory, which I might expand on tomorrow is that Carroll cannot play in our best system and the rest of the team cannot play in  a system that suits Carroll. Which means big decisions will be needed in the summer
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Re: full time Liverpool 1-2 Wigan Athletic
« Reply #1413 on: March 24, 2012, 10:29:30 PM »
Yeah, and?  The point is he never made any difference.  There was no evidence from watching the game today (you did watch it I take it?) that playing Carroll from the start would have made any difference at all.

It's a very subjective fact where some will point to as carroll being a reason we won even if he rarely combined with luis and actually looked a threat himself. My personal belief behind him being constantly dropped is down to him playing poorly the game before and kenny wanting him to pull his finger out and be somewhat consistent. It's all well and good playing well against everton but if you can't back that up with a perfomance against stoke it results in him being benched. Same with him being dropped after the cup final as he wasn't a threat or even playing well that game.  Yet people still question is lack of selection.

Only thing to counter act that is kenny has allowed other players bad or poor performances without being benched the next game, which does make me wonder.

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Re: full time Liverpool 1-2 Wigan Athletic
« Reply #1414 on: March 24, 2012, 10:31:55 PM »
Flanagan played very well having had very little playing time

and a debut for Sterling who didn't look overawed by his debut

some good points about modern society and the expectancy - the crowd today was abysmal not sure which was the more embarassing -  on the pitch or off it - but this thread seems to reflect society as a whole - self important opinion, demanding instant gratification, very little patience - if that genuinely is the new crowd,  the new Liverpool Way , the way the current fan (old and young) want it to be then fuck it - its not really worth anything is it?  - if you are just going to 'buy' success whats the point of the whole bleedin game?

I'm not defending Kenny or the players after today, we were rubbish - thats everybody - just wondering what the fans expect when they exhibit the exact same behaivour as the players - how many fans wrote off 4th - generally the exact same fans blaming the players for not turning up today and writing off 4th, almost to  a man - what do you actually expect - we are all supposed to be in this together - we can't be in it together when everybody values their own opinion above the club - we can't be in it together when everybody points the finger, we can't be in it together when we are blaming each other or are we only in it together when we win? Is that the new way? As a player would you want to play in front of this bipolar crowd - who'll blame you for everything - who slag you for trying your best - and at the same time ask where the loyalty is, why they dont take pride in the shirt?

The 'old ways' meant  the fans used to support the team and they were rewarded by players who wore the shirt with pride, who gave their all - nowadays? - why the fuck should they? Why should Henderson give a toss when all he gets is abuse? When modern fans demand everything for ££££ why should the player do anything else?

all well and good saying times have changed - well if they have dont expect the same things we used to - times have changed.

the supporters have a responsibility whether its  a forum or a match to support - very few on here take that responsibility seriously and yet its exactly the same no marks who demand something more from the players - the hypocrisy is staggering

in the last fortnight we battered Everton, we out fought Stoke, we slaughtered QPR for 75 minutes - then we've capitulated to QPR in 15 mad minutes and been out thought and fought by Wigan - that does not mean everything is dreadful, it does not mean everything is good - so a little perspective may be called for.

I'm disgusted with some in here as I am with todays performance. The calls for Dalglish to go are a disgrace imo they say more about our fans base than even the morgue of an atmosphere today.

exactly what makes LFC different to any other club when we behave exactly the same? going by this thread nothing and we are getting everything our support deserves.

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Re: full time Liverpool 1-2 Wigan Athletic
« Reply #1415 on: March 24, 2012, 10:35:48 PM »
It's an interesting theory, I'll be keeping an eye on it.  I don't think there is enough data on the stat to rule out it simply being a weird anomaly.  Rather like the one we used to have about being better without Gerrard.

My own theory, which I might expand on tomorrow is that Carroll cannot play in our best system and the rest of the team cannot play in  a system that suits Carroll. Which means big decisions will be needed in the summer

Without second guessing your theory, I reckon the team do struggle when he's in the team.  It was really apparent today and we saw the likes of Skrtel resorting to long balls again.  Skrtel (as an example only) has really impressed me this season with his ability on the ball - it's something I hadn't noticed from him before.  It's just a shame that he, and others, forget that when Carroll is on the pitch..

The major plus for me with Andy, is that he does drag the opposition defenders out of position and that creates a bit of space for the likes of Suarez and Gerrard.  Whether that alone is enough for a number nine?  Big decisions ahead indeed though - and I don't think this should be limited to Carroll's future

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Re: full time Liverpool 1-2 Wigan Athletic
« Reply #1416 on: March 24, 2012, 10:35:52 PM »
It's an interesting theory, I'll be keeping an eye on it.  I don't think there is enough data on the stat to rule out it simply being a weird anomaly.  Rather like the one we used to have about being better without Gerrard.

My own theory, which I might expand on tomorrow is that Carroll cannot play in our best system and the rest of the team cannot play in  a system that suits Carroll. Which means big decisions will be needed in the summer

That is the huge 35m elephant in the room, something we really need to consider properly in the summer.

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Re: full time Liverpool 1-2 Wigan Athletic
« Reply #1417 on: March 24, 2012, 10:36:14 PM »
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team had no enthusiasm, crowd was dead, am really worried about what will happen if we cant get agger back quickly for the cup semi final.

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for me carroll  or henderson doesnt cut the mustard, we need pace and a decent centre forward which we dont have at the moment
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Re: full time Liverpool 1-2 Wigan Athletic
« Reply #1418 on: March 24, 2012, 10:42:10 PM »
It's an interesting theory, I'll be keeping an eye on it.  I don't think there is enough data on the stat to rule out it simply being a weird anomaly.  Rather like the one we used to have about being better without Gerrard.

My own theory, which I might expand on tomorrow is that Carroll cannot play in our best system and the rest of the team cannot play in  a system that suits Carroll. Which means big decisions will be needed in the summer

I agree that Carroll doesn't suit our best system but I think we've seen glimpses, albeit far too few of them, that Carroll can be a useful cog in the machine (those starting stats would appear to support that also).  I think it is quite apparent tho' that (unlike Kuyt for example) he is wholly ineffective as an impact sub.

I shall look forward to reading your theory.

Some massive decisions need to be made come summer whatever.

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Re: full time Liverpool 1-2 Wigan Athletic
« Reply #1419 on: March 24, 2012, 10:48:00 PM »
The biggest worry is the lack of motivation in the players.  Perhaps they have given up and are just concentrating on the cup?  If that's the case, they need a jolly good hiding.

But as vulmea put it so well, the fans play a massive part.  We talk so much about whether such-an-such a player can cut it on a cold night at Stoke, but can a lot of our fans cut it when we are playing anyone other than our big rivals?  There is a complacency in the stands whenever we play a 'smaller' club.

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Re: full time Liverpool 1-2 Wigan Athletic
« Reply #1420 on: March 24, 2012, 10:51:35 PM »
Flanagan played very well having had very little playing time

and a debut for Sterling who didn't look overawed by his debut

some good points about modern society and the expectancy - the crowd today was abysmal not sure which was the more embarassing -  on the pitch or off it - but this thread seems to reflect society as a whole - self important opinion, demanding instant gratification, very little patience - if that genuinely is the new crowd,  the new Liverpool Way , the way the current fan (old and young) want it to be then fuck it - its not really worth anything is it?  - if you are just going to 'buy' success whats the point of the whole bleedin game?

I'm not defending Kenny or the players after today, we were rubbish - thats everybody - just wondering what the fans expect when they exhibit the exact same behaivour as the players - how many fans wrote off 4th - generally the exact same fans blaming the players for not turning up today and writing off 4th, almost to  a man - what do you actually expect - we are all supposed to be in this together - we can't be in it together when everybody values their own opinion above the club - we can't be in it together when everybody points the finger, we can't be in it together when we are blaming each other or are we only in it together when we win? Is that the new way? As a player would you want to play in front of this bipolar crowd - who'll blame you for everything - who slag you for trying your best - and at the same time ask where the loyalty is, why they dont take pride in the shirt?

The 'old ways' meant  the fans used to support the team and they were rewarded by players who wore the shirt with pride, who gave their all - nowadays? - why the fuck should they? Why should Henderson give a toss when all he gets is abuse? When modern fans demand everything for ££££ why should the player do anything else?

all well and good saying times have changed - well if they have dont expect the same things we used to - times have changed.

the supporters have a responsibility whether its  a forum or a match to support - very few on here take that responsibility seriously and yet its exactly the same no marks who demand something more from the players - the hypocrisy is staggering

in the last fortnight we battered Everton, we out fought Stoke, we slaughtered QPR for 75 minutes - then we've capitulated to QPR in 15 mad minutes and been out thought and fought by Wigan - that does not mean everything is dreadful, it does not mean everything is good - so a little perspective may be called for.

I'm disgusted with some in here as I am with todays performance. The calls for Dalglish to go are a disgrace imo they say more about our fans base than even the morgue of an atmosphere today.

exactly what makes LFC different to any other club when we behave exactly the same? going by this thread nothing and we are getting everything our support deserves.

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Re: full time Liverpool 1-2 Wigan Athletic
« Reply #1421 on: March 24, 2012, 10:57:49 PM »
Curse of the Carling cup strikes again!  Thankfully, we are way above the relegation zone.  We all know about Birmingham's spectacular implosion after beating Arsenal last season!

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Re: full time Liverpool 1-2 Wigan Athletic
« Reply #1422 on: March 24, 2012, 10:59:40 PM »
Thanks match of the day for showing nothing from Sterling!..... Or was there nothing from Sterling to show?

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« Reply #1423 on: March 24, 2012, 11:01:32 PM »
Thanks match of the day for showing nothing from Sterling!..... Or was there nothing from Sterling to show?

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« Reply #1424 on: March 24, 2012, 11:01:39 PM »
Thanks match of the day for showing nothing from Sterling!..... Or was there nothing from Sterling to show?

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« Reply #1425 on: March 24, 2012, 11:04:05 PM »
He was pretty poor. Can't see him making it.

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« Reply #1426 on: March 24, 2012, 11:05:32 PM »
Just seen the 'highlights' on MOTD....am I harsh in asking questions of Reina?? Im racking my brain and i genuinely cannot think of the last 'good save' he has made? That Gary Caldwell goal for the 2nd....I just dont know what Reina is doing?? He does this 'bend my knees and put my arms wide, but if you put if eitherside of me, you've scored' motion and he does it alot.

It might just be me but think his form this year is questionable

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« Reply #1427 on: March 24, 2012, 11:06:19 PM »
You know, after reading a lot of these posts on here over the last couple of years, I'm moved to wonder if a lot of posters on here actually grew up supporting the same team as I did. How can you support Liverpool for any length of time and not take on at least some of our traditional values.

It seemed to reach it's apex with the 'Rafa out' bunch (who all seem to regret it now) and continues through to the new 'Kenny out' lot. And before anyone throws Hodgson into the equation, one of the reasons he got slagged so much was his total abject failure to grasp one iota of those values. I just hope the owners are cleverer than some of our internet support.

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Re: full time Liverpool 1-2 Wigan Athletic
« Reply #1428 on: March 24, 2012, 11:06:58 PM »
My own theory, which I might expand on tomorrow is that Carroll cannot play in our best system and the rest of the team cannot play in  a system that suits Carroll. Which means big decisions will be needed in the summer

Interesting. Carroll cannot play in our best system, yet we are winning with him as our starting striker. The rest of the team cannot play in a system that suits Carroll, yet we are losing/drawing when he isn't starting. I am really looking forward to that expansion of your theory.

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Re: full time Liverpool 1-2 Wigan Athletic
« Reply #1429 on: March 24, 2012, 11:07:34 PM »
Just seen the 'highlights' on MOTD....am I harsh in asking questions of Reina?? Im racking my brain and i genuinely cannot think of the last 'good save' he has made? That Gary Caldwell goal for the 2nd....I just dont know what Reina is doing?? He does this 'bend my knees and put my arms wide, but if you put if eitherside of me, you've scored' motion and he does it alot.

It might just be me but think his form this year is questionable
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Re: full time Liverpool 1-2 Wigan Athletic
« Reply #1430 on: March 24, 2012, 11:08:05 PM »
Flanagan played very well having had very little playing time

and a debut for Sterling who didn't look overawed by his debut

some good points about modern society and the expectancy - the crowd today was abysmal not sure which was the more embarassing -  on the pitch or off it - but this thread seems to reflect society as a whole - self important opinion, demanding instant gratification, very little patience - if that genuinely is the new crowd,  the new Liverpool Way , the way the current fan (old and young) want it to be then fuck it - its not really worth anything is it?  - if you are just going to 'buy' success whats the point of the whole bleedin game?

I'm not defending Kenny or the players after today, we were rubbish - thats everybody - just wondering what the fans expect when they exhibit the exact same behaivour as the players - how many fans wrote off 4th - generally the exact same fans blaming the players for not turning up today and writing off 4th, almost to  a man - what do you actually expect - we are all supposed to be in this together - we can't be in it together when everybody values their own opinion above the club - we can't be in it together when everybody points the finger, we can't be in it together when we are blaming each other or are we only in it together when we win? Is that the new way? As a player would you want to play in front of this bipolar crowd - who'll blame you for everything - who slag you for trying your best - and at the same time ask where the loyalty is, why they dont take pride in the shirt?

The 'old ways' meant  the fans used to support the team and they were rewarded by players who wore the shirt with pride, who gave their all - nowadays? - why the fuck should they? Why should Henderson give a toss when all he gets is abuse? When modern fans demand everything for ££££ why should the player do anything else?

all well and good saying times have changed - well if they have dont expect the same things we used to - times have changed.

the supporters have a responsibility whether its  a forum or a match to support - very few on here take that responsibility seriously and yet its exactly the same no marks who demand something more from the players - the hypocrisy is staggering

in the last fortnight we battered Everton, we out fought Stoke, we slaughtered QPR for 75 minutes - then we've capitulated to QPR in 15 mad minutes and been out thought and fought by Wigan - that does not mean everything is dreadful, it does not mean everything is good - so a little perspective may be called for.

I'm disgusted with some in here as I am with todays performance. The calls for Dalglish to go are a disgrace imo they say more about our fans base than even the morgue of an atmosphere today.

exactly what makes LFC different to any other club when we behave exactly the same? going by this thread nothing and we are getting everything our support deserves.


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« Reply #1431 on: March 24, 2012, 11:08:21 PM »
Just read a few pages of this thread.

Wow.

Its getting worse... And I'm not talking about our performances I'm talking about our fans.

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Re: full time Liverpool 1-2 Wigan Athletic
« Reply #1432 on: March 24, 2012, 11:12:26 PM »
I think first thing is first get Skrtel back on his favoured side were looks more comfortable and get Seb in beside him till Agger gets back, he is not himself when he is on the left and gets caught out a bit.
Pepe has been poor enough in the past few games with the goals we have conceded he should have saved a few of them, but the times he has saved our bacon makes up for them.
Andy Carroll is really starting to bug me ,in and around the box he is woeful and his movement is dire ,while his hold up play has improved he is shocking in the box ,he needs to cut out the moaning and start lashing into defenders and making life hard for them ,he is being kept at bay far too easy for a big lad.
On luis the poor lad is fucked he is never going to get the rub of the green anymore refs give him fuck all in the box and i cant see that changing ,his comitment is brilliant ,just a pity more dont follolw his example.
Downing is a shit house , hiding in games is just not on when you play for this club.
Well done to all the young lads great to see that biyt of drive and hunger that put some senior lads to shame.
Anybody calling for Kennys head can go fuck themselves, i think in the summer he is going to show how ruthless he is , he gave certain players a golden opertuinity to come and play for this club and they have let him down badly ,he is a clever man and has been in the game a long time what he says in front of the camera and behind closed doors are two different things i wouldnt be surprised if he has told certain players to find themselves a new club for next season.
If any of them think he is a soft touch they should ask Phil Neal and Aldo about that.

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Re: full time Liverpool 1-2 Wigan Athletic
« Reply #1433 on: March 24, 2012, 11:13:34 PM »
Flanagan played very well having had very little playing time

and a debut for Sterling who didn't look overawed by his debut

some good points about modern society and the expectancy - the crowd today was abysmal not sure which was the more embarassing -  on the pitch or off it - but this thread seems to reflect society as a whole - self important opinion, demanding instant gratification, very little patience - if that genuinely is the new crowd,  the new Liverpool Way , the way the current fan (old and young) want it to be then fuck it - its not really worth anything is it?  - if you are just going to 'buy' success whats the point of the whole bleedin game?

I'm not defending Kenny or the players after today, we were rubbish - thats everybody - just wondering what the fans expect when they exhibit the exact same behaivour as the players - how many fans wrote off 4th - generally the exact same fans blaming the players for not turning up today and writing off 4th, almost to  a man - what do you actually expect - we are all supposed to be in this together - we can't be in it together when everybody values their own opinion above the club - we can't be in it together when everybody points the finger, we can't be in it together when we are blaming each other or are we only in it together when we win? Is that the new way? As a player would you want to play in front of this bipolar crowd - who'll blame you for everything - who slag you for trying your best - and at the same time ask where the loyalty is, why they dont take pride in the shirt?

The 'old ways' meant  the fans used to support the team and they were rewarded by players who wore the shirt with pride, who gave their all - nowadays? - why the fuck should they? Why should Henderson give a toss when all he gets is abuse? When modern fans demand everything for ££££ why should the player do anything else?

all well and good saying times have changed - well if they have dont expect the same things we used to - times have changed.

the supporters have a responsibility whether its  a forum or a match to support - very few on here take that responsibility seriously and yet its exactly the same no marks who demand something more from the players - the hypocrisy is staggering

in the last fortnight we battered Everton, we out fought Stoke, we slaughtered QPR for 75 minutes - then we've capitulated to QPR in 15 mad minutes and been out thought and fought by Wigan - that does not mean everything is dreadful, it does not mean everything is good - so a little perspective may be called for.

I'm disgusted with some in here as I am with todays performance. The calls for Dalglish to go are a disgrace imo they say more about our fans base than even the morgue of an atmosphere today.

exactly what makes LFC different to any other club when we behave exactly the same? going by this thread nothing and we are getting everything our support deserves.

This is one of the best posts i've ever seen on here. So painfully true in many aspects.
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Re: full time Liverpool 1-2 Wigan Athletic
« Reply #1434 on: March 24, 2012, 11:16:28 PM »
Flanagan played very well having had very little playing time

and a debut for Sterling who didn't look overawed by his debut

some good points about modern society and the expectancy - the crowd today was abysmal not sure which was the more embarassing -  on the pitch or off it - but this thread seems to reflect society as a whole - self important opinion, demanding instant gratification, very little patience - if that genuinely is the new crowd,  the new Liverpool Way , the way the current fan (old and young) want it to be then fuck it - its not really worth anything is it?  - if you are just going to 'buy' success whats the point of the whole bleedin game?

I'm not defending Kenny or the players after today, we were rubbish - thats everybody - just wondering what the fans expect when they exhibit the exact same behaivour as the players - how many fans wrote off 4th - generally the exact same fans blaming the players for not turning up today and writing off 4th, almost to  a man - what do you actually expect - we are all supposed to be in this together - we can't be in it together when everybody values their own opinion above the club - we can't be in it together when everybody points the finger, we can't be in it together when we are blaming each other or are we only in it together when we win? Is that the new way? As a player would you want to play in front of this bipolar crowd - who'll blame you for everything - who slag you for trying your best - and at the same time ask where the loyalty is, why they dont take pride in the shirt?

The 'old ways' meant  the fans used to support the team and they were rewarded by players who wore the shirt with pride, who gave their all - nowadays? - why the fuck should they? Why should Henderson give a toss when all he gets is abuse? When modern fans demand everything for ££££ why should the player do anything else?

all well and good saying times have changed - well if they have dont expect the same things we used to - times have changed.

the supporters have a responsibility whether its  a forum or a match to support - very few on here take that responsibility seriously and yet its exactly the same no marks who demand something more from the players - the hypocrisy is staggering

in the last fortnight we battered Everton, we out fought Stoke, we slaughtered QPR for 75 minutes - then we've capitulated to QPR in 15 mad minutes and been out thought and fought by Wigan - that does not mean everything is dreadful, it does not mean everything is good - so a little perspective may be called for.

I'm disgusted with some in here as I am with todays performance. The calls for Dalglish to go are a disgrace imo they say more about our fans base than even the morgue of an atmosphere today.

exactly what makes LFC different to any other club when we behave exactly the same? going by this thread nothing and we are getting everything our support deserves.

Another epic post. Excellent!
And maybe we should have a principal discussion about what it means to be a lfc supporter?

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Re: full time Liverpool 1-2 Wigan Athletic
« Reply #1435 on: March 24, 2012, 11:23:52 PM »
Just seen the 'highlights' on MOTD....am I harsh in asking questions of Reina?? Im racking my brain and i genuinely cannot think of the last 'good save' he has made? That Gary Caldwell goal for the 2nd....I just dont know what Reina is doing?? He does this 'bend my knees and put my arms wide, but if you put if eitherside of me, you've scored' motion and he does it alot.

It might just be me but think his form this year is questionable

Have to agree with you. I think he has been poor this season.
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Re: full time Liverpool 1-2 Wigan Athletic
« Reply #1436 on: March 24, 2012, 11:27:42 PM »
Have to agree with you. I think he has been poor this season.

Definitely. I noticed it earlier in the season but obviously got shot down for mentioning it. But by his standards this season he has been poor. I know he won't play, but if form is anything to go by he shouldn't even go the Euros. But he's a great character in the squad so he should but..

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Re: full time Liverpool 1-2 Wigan Athletic
« Reply #1437 on: March 24, 2012, 11:28:41 PM »
It's because the poor luvvies were too tired doncha know.
This must be something to do with it being the end of the tax year and them having to sprint up the escalater to their accountants.
FFS Kenny .... get a grip ....... too tired ...... not a great deal of respect for your beloved LFC supporters there.
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Re: full time Liverpool 1-2 Wigan Athletic
« Reply #1438 on: March 24, 2012, 11:29:28 PM »
Could I just add, to everyone who says "YNWA" and slag off our players. You kind of don't make any sense. General comment here.
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Re: full time Liverpool 1-2 Wigan Athletic
« Reply #1439 on: March 24, 2012, 11:29:33 PM »
It's because the poor luvvies were too tired doncha know.
This must be something to do with it being the end of the tax year and them having to sprint up the escalator to their accountants.
FFS Kenny .... get a grip ....... too tired ...... not a great deal of respect for your beloved LFC supporters there.
The irony of you using the word respect having told Kenny Dalglish to 'get a grip' is stunning.
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