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Re: full time Liverpool 1-2 Wigan Athletic
« Reply #1040 on: March 24, 2012, 06:48:30 PM »
;D

its just weird how people who try and find anything to have a go at us.

OK IF THE LEAGUE STARTED LAST WEEK, WE'D BE BOTTOM.

Yeah, so weird. What the hell are they thinking having a go at relegation form?!  ::)

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Re: full time Liverpool 1-2 Wigan Athletic
« Reply #1041 on: March 24, 2012, 06:48:32 PM »
As for effective, we've won a cup which we haven't done since 06, no matter how "Mickey Mouse" people will now claim it to be.
Come on, a few years ago everyone was calling it a mickey mouse cup it's nothing outrageous. Delighted we've won it but I think both sides , "mickey mouse" or "first cup in years", are putting too much into it.

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Re: full time Liverpool 1-2 Wigan Athletic
« Reply #1042 on: March 24, 2012, 06:48:45 PM »
Coates and Shelvey should be starting ahead of Carragher and Henderson at the very least for the remainder of the season. Might be time to think about switching Kuyt out for Sterling too.

If the price for the Carling Cup was losing Lucas then in hindsight I think it was too high. I argued against it at the time but we should have bought a replacement for him in January. We look absolutely lost without him in the middle.

Our defence was a point of pride but losing Agger has shown how fragile it is. Kelly and Flanagan are deputising well for Johnson but Skrtel isn't good enough to cover up for Carragher's shocking gulf in quality.

And Reina. Talked a bit about him with HBHR in the match commentary thread. I don't think we should sell him but if it's down to the defense line as the reason for his mistakes, just change the tactics. Changing the defensive tactics to suit Carragher at the expense of Reina is madness.

Ah now I agree with most of that, Reina I believe doesn't trust his defence with Carra in it, Coates in hindsight should have played but with Flanno in I can understand thinking Carra might help him, that sort of blew up in our faces in the end.

 Not sure about Sterling every game but I would start him in the next game!

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Re: full time Liverpool 1-2 Wigan Athletic
« Reply #1043 on: March 24, 2012, 06:48:48 PM »
Sure, Kenny has had money to spend, but it might be nice if he was granted the same "net-spend" courtesy that Rafa was during the same time.

Rafa needed to sell before he bought any players under the cancers. Kenny was not restricted in any way on who he wanted to buy, by our current owners.

Big difference.


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Re: full time Liverpool 1-2 Wigan Athletic
« Reply #1044 on: March 24, 2012, 06:48:51 PM »
My son was physically sick when I told him the result today.

This is no exaggeration he actually vomited. He feels ill at the thought of losing to Wigan.

Having listened to it on the radio it is clear we were the better team. We need to convert just one or two chances into goals. The balance is right. Its just the luck and results which are alluding us.

If we had played badly I could have accepted defeat to Wigan with dignity. But playing reasonably well as we appeared to do and it really is literally sickening. :(

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Re: full time Liverpool 1-2 Wigan Athletic
« Reply #1045 on: March 24, 2012, 06:49:03 PM »
Rafa was hounded out by our brilliant "fans". As for effective, we've won a cup which we haven't done since 06, no matter how "Mickey Mouse" people will now claim it to be.

Those "fans" should take a long hard look at themselves. With proper backing from a decent ownership, I am convinced we would have had number 19 by now.

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Re: full time Liverpool 1-2 Wigan Athletic
« Reply #1046 on: March 24, 2012, 06:49:35 PM »
Probably the stomach cramps from his period the fucking quim.
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Re: full time Liverpool 1-2 Wigan Athletic
« Reply #1047 on: March 24, 2012, 06:49:47 PM »
couldn't watch the game today, could anyone please sum up the performance please?

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Re: full time Liverpool 1-2 Wigan Athletic
« Reply #1048 on: March 24, 2012, 06:49:54 PM »
Probably the stomach cramps from his period the fucking quim.


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Re: full time Liverpool 1-2 Wigan Athletic
« Reply #1049 on: March 24, 2012, 06:49:54 PM »

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Probably the stomach cramps from his period the fucking quim.
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Re: full time Liverpool 1-2 Wigan Athletic
« Reply #1050 on: March 24, 2012, 06:50:01 PM »
Probably the stomach cramps from his period the fucking quim.


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Re: full time Liverpool 1-2 Wigan Athletic
« Reply #1051 on: March 24, 2012, 06:50:06 PM »
Probably the stomach cramps from his period the fucking quim.

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Re: full time Liverpool 1-2 Wigan Athletic
« Reply #1052 on: March 24, 2012, 06:50:14 PM »
What's that little motto of ours again? Something along the lines of "No one person is bigger than the club"

Oh, and that other one, something along the lines of "players and managers will come and go, Liverpool football club will always remain"

And of course the short and simple "the club comes first".

I love Kenny. I always have and I always will. Nothing will ever diminish my undying love and adoration for that man. But I can't keep living in denial. I can't keep ignoring the fact that we're regressing in the desperate hope that its all eventually going to click and fall into place for us. My heart is telling me to defend him at all costs, but my head just wont let me blank out the harsh truths. Because the truth is, our league campaign has been beyond bad. It has actually been a total and utter failure. That was our 10th loss today. We've lost one third of all our league games. We have also drawn 9. Our home record is appalling. We've been continually dropping points all season against dross opposition. And there's no point denying the fact that we invested a significant amount of money in players who have simply not delivered.

We finished on 63 points in 2010. We played 38 games that season, winning 18, drawing 9 and losing 11. If we drop just 1 more point between now and the end of this season then we'll finish our league campaign on a lesser points tally than we finished on in 2010. Does anyone really think we have the ability to win our last 7 games on the bounce? Considering we have yet to even string as little as 3 wins together this season, I don't see us pulling it off to be honest, and I generally pride myself on being an optimist. Can we finish higher than 63 points this season? Sadly, I don't think we can. Rafa was sacked for finishing on 63 points and he didn't have the luxury of signing nigh on 100 million pounds worth of players in two transfer windows.

In my mind we've got a two options here. Option 1 is we retain the current management, despite the fact we're slipping ever further towards mid table. We retain them in the hopes that they can improve 10 fold on this seasons abysmal league campaign. My heart wants this option.

Option 2 is the harder one. Option 2 is the one where we don't let our hearts rule our heads, and where we apply the same assessment criteria to the current management that was applied to our former European Cup winning manager in 2010, just 1 short year after he had led us to a club record points tally of 86.

That's what it essentially boils down to IMHO. Those motto's I mentioned are ringing loud in my head right now if I'm honest. And I say that with a heavy heart. I can't put in words how much I wanted the clubs greatest living icon to return and to be a triumphant. Every one of us wanted it, but sadly I don't think its going to have the ending we all wanted. I'd love to be proved wrong mind, but that's just how I honestly feel. I also think we'd be foolish to let a league cup success mask the fact that we're slipping further behind in our league form. But as I said, nothing will ever diminish my love and adoration for that man, he will always be the living breathing embodiment of all that is good about Liverpool FC. I'm just offering my honest feelings is all, in the most respectful way I can. Because I've nothing but total respect for Kenny, and I always will

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Re: full time Liverpool 1-2 Wigan Athletic
« Reply #1053 on: March 24, 2012, 06:50:15 PM »
So does every manager, but for Kenny to go for this buy British policy has backfired on him greatly, when his best signing, isnt even english.
Joey Suarez and Mick Enrique have really been our only decent British buys. Jerry Coates looks alright to be fair, don't know if KK bought him though.
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Re: full time Liverpool 1-2 Wigan Athletic
« Reply #1054 on: March 24, 2012, 06:50:21 PM »


That's what it essentially boils down to IMHO. Those motto's I mentioned are ringing loud in my head right now if I'm honest. And I say that with a heavy heart. I can't put in words how much I wanted the clubs greatest living icon to return and to be a triumphant. Every one of us wanted it, but sadly I don't think its going to have the ending we all wanted. I'd love to be proved wrong mind, but that's just how I honestly feel. I also think we'd be foolish to let a league cup success mask the fact that we're slipping further behind in our league form. But as I said, nothing will ever diminish my love and adoration for that man, he will always be the living breathing embodiment of all that is good about Liverpool FC. I'm just offering my honest feelings is all, in the most respectful way I can. Because I've nothing but total respect for Kenny, and I always will

Disagree on some fundamentals. The first one being the yardstick applied to Rafa was wrong. Two wrongs will not make a right. Sacking a manager like rafa was wrong for so many reasons and we will only be repeating the same mistake in lieu of what -- hope that some other manager will correct things which Kenny cannot? The mentality which got rid of Rafa will do the same to Kenny unless we can look within ourselves and say we have to give this time. If Chelsea cannot be turned around in a year starting from a more advantageous position then I cannot see how Liverpool can be done so with so many variables this year, new team, new style of play, squad rebuilding and developing the youth system.

It is so very easy to criticize but before we do that we need to analyse and balance the argument. Playing Carra is a decision which I think is wrong. Carroll is not being utilized properly by Kenny is a managerial mistake, Bellamy not playing is man management problem. These are genuine problems but then every team has it own share of problems and we need to find answers to them but changing managers will not change the overall picture. You will only end up with a different set of problems to resolve.

We have a trophy, you may call it a mickey mouse cup or whatever but at the end of the day it counts. It counts in proving that the team has ambition and attracting the players from other teams in which they feel they cannot get the trophy/CL football with a top team. There are a lot of good players out there and winning trophies count in the transfer market.

Results have been bad for us and for other teams as well. Arsenal and Chelsea are also having a bad season, barring the superman heroics of RVP, where would Arsenal be now? So while out points tally is bad, this season has not been good except for the top 3. Sacking Kenny is not the answer. If anything, it is a sure recipe for disaster. A new manager, a new style of play and a overhaul of players and staff is almost invariable in that scenario. We cannot afford that, right now Kenny has shown enough for us to retain the faith. One fucking season does not make a bad manager.
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Re: full time Liverpool 1-2 Wigan Athletic
« Reply #1055 on: March 24, 2012, 06:50:27 PM »
Can people please leave Rafa out of post-game threads?

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Re: full time Liverpool 1-2 Wigan Athletic
« Reply #1056 on: March 24, 2012, 06:50:39 PM »
What's that little motto of ours again? Something along the lines of "No one person is bigger than the club"

Oh, and that other one, something along the lines of "players and managers will come and go, Liverpool football club will always remain"

And of course the short and simple "the club comes first".

I love Kenny. I always have and I always will. Nothing will ever diminish my undying love and adoration for that man. But I can't keep living in denial. I can't keep ignoring the fact that we're regressing in the desperate hope that its all eventually going to click and fall into place for us. My heart is telling me to defend him at all costs, but my head just wont let me blank out the harsh truths. Because the truth is, our league campaign has been beyond bad. It has actually been a total and utter failure. That was our 10th loss today. We've lost one third of all our league games. We have also drawn 9. Our home record is appalling. We've been continually dropping points all season against dross opposition. And there's no point denying the fact that we invested a significant amount of money in players who have simply not delivered.

We finished on 63 points in 2010. We played 38 games that season, winning 18, drawing 9 and losing 11. If we drop just 1 more point between now and the end of this season then we'll finish our league campaign on a lesser points tally than we finished on in 2010. Does anyone really think we have the ability to win our last 7 games on the bounce? Considering we have yet to even string as little as 3 wins together this season, I don't see us pulling it off to be honest, and I generally pride myself on being an optimist. Can we finish higher than 63 points this season? Sadly, I don't think we can. Rafa was sacked for finishing on 63 points and he didn't have the luxury of signing nigh on 100 million pounds worth of players in two transfer windows.

In my mind we've got a two options here. Option 1 is we retain the current management, despite the fact we're slipping ever further towards mid table. We retain them in the hopes that they can improve 10 fold on this seasons abysmal league campaign. My heart wants this option.

Option 2 is the harder one. Option 2 is the one where we don't let our hearts rule our heads, and where we apply the same assessment criteria to the current management that was applied to our former European Cup winning manager in 2010, just 1 short year after he had led us to a club record points tally of 86.

That's what it essentially boils down to IMHO. Those motto's I mentioned are ringing loud in my head right now if I'm honest. And I say that with a heavy heart. I can't put in words how much I wanted the clubs greatest living icon to return and to be a triumphant. Every one of us wanted it, but sadly I don't think its going to have the ending we all wanted. I'd love to be proved wrong mind, but that's just how I honestly feel. I also think we'd be foolish to let a league cup success mask the fact that we're slipping further behind in our league form. But as I said, nothing will ever diminish my love and adoration for that man, he will always be the living breathing embodiment of all that is good about Liverpool FC. I'm just offering my honest feelings is all, in the most respectful way I can. Because I've nothing but total respect for Kenny, and I always will
Totally conflicted as well. I see signs, an improving away record, at times some very decent attacking play (start of season), but since the turn of the year (and before that) we have been abysmal. Yes we have hit the post more than any other team. But what is the thinking behind playing without a striker for pretty much the whole season? Of course people can point out the £35m elephant in this argument, but he or any of Kenny's major buys have failed come to his rescue.

The biggest issue for me, is Kenny's transfers, I simply do not rate the expensive (dare I say it British) ones. And to those who say 'buy British' was not a policy it just came about that way. Hansen, Kenny's best mate, continually brought up rubbish about the dressing room not being happy under Rafa on MotD, with murmurings about the 'foreign contingent'. These very same arguments were being peddled by the media. It led to the appointment of Hodgson and I believe the policy of buying British to make the dressing room happier (not a popular view on here - and I could be wrong) is of a piece with this type of thinking.

There is nothing wrong with building a side round a core of British players as long as they are good. Sadly the bunch we bought are not, and to compound matters we have paid way over the odds for them. Can't be much fun having 'what a waste of money' regularly chanted at Carroll, Henderson and Downing. My biggest fear is who are we going to go for in the summer? Can we be ruthless, accept mistakes have been made and cull the squad of last summer/Jan's buys? If we don't I can't see us getting even close to CL positions.
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Re: full time Liverpool 1-2 Wigan Athletic
« Reply #1057 on: March 24, 2012, 06:50:48 PM »
;D

its just weird how people who try and find anything to have a go at us.

OK IF THE LEAGUE STARTED LAST WEEK, WE'D BE BOTTOM.



To be fair people were saying it this time last year, but in a positive way- as we were the in form side in the league for quite a period after the start of the year. But because it's now a negative thing to say it's laughable?

It's a point about how long we've been poor; it's not a blip at all. And in the face of our competitors being poor as well, and after spending a lot more in the summer to improve, it's been a missed opportunity and means the club will be out of the CL for another season.






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Re: full time Liverpool 1-2 Wigan Athletic
« Reply #1058 on: March 24, 2012, 06:50:51 PM »
Probably the stomach cramps from his period the fucking quim.
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Re: full time Liverpool 1-2 Wigan Athletic
« Reply #1059 on: March 24, 2012, 06:51:28 PM »
The f.a cup is by no means a forgone conclusion, in current form dont stand a chance of beating sunderland, spurs or Chelsea

the annoying thing is those players will probably play their hearts out in the semi final.

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Re: full time Liverpool 1-2 Wigan Athletic
« Reply #1060 on: March 24, 2012, 06:51:36 PM »
couldn't watch the game today, could anyone please sum up the performance please?



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Re: full time Liverpool 1-2 Wigan Athletic
« Reply #1061 on: March 24, 2012, 06:51:37 PM »
Probably the stomach cramps from his period the fucking quim.

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Re: full time Liverpool 1-2 Wigan Athletic
« Reply #1062 on: March 24, 2012, 06:51:46 PM »
Well, I only heard about the result late, what with my day away etc. and was prepared to be depressed and angry, but instead am pleased to see Flanagan, Shelvey and Sterling all getting a run and now the only disappointment I feel is that they didn't get longer. Of course its not great that we are performing awfully in the league but if we can salvage the tail end of the season by giving some young players experience that will do for me.
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Re: full time Liverpool 1-2 Wigan Athletic
« Reply #1063 on: March 24, 2012, 06:51:52 PM »
So only wolves form in the last 6 game is worst then us. :butt

Too bad we have nothing to play for. I fully expact we will fall down to 10th or worse.

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Re: full time Liverpool 1-2 Wigan Athletic
« Reply #1064 on: March 24, 2012, 06:52:03 PM »
Billy while your post is ok,
 it lacks one thing though Rafa was given 5 years not 12 months and he had a better foundation to build on, given the Istanbul team was three quarters Ged's

Luis Garcia and Alonso built on those solid foundations and lifted the team.  Kenny's signings have mostly let him down, the best players (Suarez apart) have all been the ones he's chosen to keep (Agger, Skrtel, Johnson, Lucas, Gerrard) from Rafa's time here.

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Re: full time Liverpool 1-2 Wigan Athletic
« Reply #1065 on: March 24, 2012, 06:52:16 PM »
Can people please leave Rafa out of post-game threads?
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« Reply #1066 on: March 24, 2012, 06:52:18 PM »
Because, and I'll keep reposting this if required, Hodgson played dire football, we were just above the relegation zone and won fuck all cups.

Our form this year (all four months of it as it is), has been relegation form.

The football under Kenny has been better, but far from vintage, and pretty dire at times too.

The cups, as mentioned, speak little for why our form has been the way it is.

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Re: full time Liverpool 1-2 Wigan Athletic
« Reply #1067 on: March 24, 2012, 06:52:32 PM »
What's that little motto of ours again? Something along the lines of "No one person is bigger than the club"

Oh, and that other one, something along the lines of "players and managers will come and go, Liverpool football club will always remain"

And of course the short and simple "the club comes first".

I love Kenny. I always have and I always will. Nothing will ever diminish my undying love and adoration for that man. But I can't keep living in denial. I can't keep ignoring the fact that we're regressing in the desperate hope that its all eventually going to click and fall into place for us. My heart is telling me to defend him at all costs, but my head just wont let me blank out the harsh truths. Because the truth is, our league campaign has been beyond bad. It has actually been a total and utter failure. That was our 10th loss today. We've lost one third of all our league games. We have also drawn 9. Our home record is appalling. We've been continually dropping points all season against dross opposition. And there's no point denying the fact that we invested a significant amount of money in players who have simply not delivered.

We finished on 63 points in 2010. We played 38 games that season, winning 18, drawing 9 and losing 11. If we drop just 1 more point between now and the end of this season then we'll finish our league campaign on a lesser points tally than we finished on in 2010. Does anyone really think we have the ability to win our last 7 games on the bounce? Considering we have yet to even string as little as 3 wins together this season, I don't see us pulling it off to be honest, and I generally pride myself on being an optimist. Can we finish higher than 63 points this season? Sadly, I don't think we can. Rafa was sacked for finishing on 63 points and he didn't have the luxury of signing nigh on 100 million pounds worth of players in two transfer windows.

In my mind we've got a two options here. Option 1 is we retain the current management, despite the fact we're slipping ever further towards mid table. We retain them in the hopes that they can improve 10 fold on this seasons abysmal league campaign. My heart wants this option.

Option 2 is the harder one. Option 2 is the one where we don't let our hearts rule our heads, and where we apply the same assessment criteria to the current management that was applied to our former European Cup winning manager in 2010, just 1 short year after he had led us to a club record points tally of 86.

That's what it essentially boils down to IMHO. Those motto's I mentioned are ringing loud in my head right now if I'm honest. And I say that with a heavy heart. I can't put in words how much I wanted the clubs greatest living icon to return and to be a triumphant. Every one of us wanted it, but sadly I don't think its going to have the ending we all wanted. I'd love to be proved wrong mind, but that's just how I honestly feel. I also think we'd be foolish to let a league cup success mask the fact that we're slipping further behind in our league form. But as I said, nothing will ever diminish my love and adoration for that man, he will always be the living breathing embodiment of all that is good about Liverpool FC. I'm just offering my honest feelings is all, in the most respectful way I can. Because I've nothing but total respect for Kenny, and I always will

Good post, option1 for me also, but very worried about the upcoming summer signings, anything like last year and we are fucked.

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Re: full time Liverpool 1-2 Wigan Athletic
« Reply #1068 on: March 24, 2012, 06:52:33 PM »
Probably the stomach cramps from his period the fucking quim.

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Re: full time Liverpool 1-2 Wigan Athletic
« Reply #1069 on: March 24, 2012, 06:52:44 PM »
Also had to manage under the worst conditions any liverpool manager has ever had to work under.

Not when he started though, and with a better squad! I like them both so will leave it there!
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Re: full time Liverpool 1-2 Wigan Athletic
« Reply #1070 on: March 24, 2012, 06:53:05 PM »
Come on, a few years ago everyone was calling it a mickey mouse cup it's nothing outrageous. Delighted we've won it but I think both sides , "mickey mouse" or "first cup in years", are putting too much into it.

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Re: full time Liverpool 1-2 Wigan Athletic
« Reply #1071 on: March 24, 2012, 06:53:20 PM »
he still brought sum shite in his time here

Who weren't his 1st or sometimes even 2nd choice

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Re: full time Liverpool 1-2 Wigan Athletic
« Reply #1073 on: March 24, 2012, 06:54:06 PM »
Luis Garcia and Alonso built on those solid foundations and lifted the team.  Kenny's signings have mostly let him down, the best players (Suarez apart) have all been the ones he's chosen to keep (Agger, Skrtel, Johnson, Lucas, Gerrard) from Rafa's time here.

not disagreeing with that so you agree it is the players fault then?
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Re: full time Liverpool 1-2 Wigan Athletic
« Reply #1074 on: March 24, 2012, 06:54:23 PM »
Because, and I'll keep reposting this if required, Hodgson played dire football, we were just above the relegation zone and won fuck all cups.

You're one of those who bleats on about "I'd take a 1-0 every day regardless of the quality of the football.." don't use that rubbish now that it suits you. Also our football has been vastly overrated by many on here this season. We've been really poor in a number of matches, we're as weak mentally as anyone else in the league and there have been occasions where the players simply haven't turned up. That's almost as bad as Hodgson I'm afraid. We're 6 points above 14th at the moment (and they have a game in hand) so I wouldn't go too crazy about our league position either. As I've said, Hodgson's points-per-game is only ever-so-slightly behind Kenny's, so it suggests that if he was given longer then he would probably have steered us clear of danger too. I don't like the guy and don't want to defend him, but you can't ignore the fact that their records aren't as far apart as we would like them to be, and so the moment you allowed Hodgson to be sacked you have no right to complain if it happens to an equally-underperforming manager in the following season, simple.
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Re: full time Liverpool 1-2 Wigan Athletic
« Reply #1075 on: March 24, 2012, 06:54:50 PM »
i have got another motto

"through the wind and rain".

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Re: full time Liverpool 1-2 Wigan Athletic
« Reply #1076 on: March 24, 2012, 06:55:04 PM »

Painful.

Painful to watch us lose. Painful to watch a capitulation like that. Painful to see our atrocious form continue.

And painful to see Kenny unable so far to solve the problems we face, and painful to see the dissapointment in his face, and the chatter he faces from some because of it.


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Re: full time Liverpool 1-2 Wigan Athletic
« Reply #1077 on: March 24, 2012, 06:55:17 PM »
not disagreeing with that so you agree it is the players fault then?

Partly, Kenny chose the players though...

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Re: full time Liverpool 1-2 Wigan Athletic
« Reply #1078 on: March 24, 2012, 06:55:24 PM »
What's that little motto of ours again? Something along the lines of "No one person is bigger than the club"

Oh, and that other one, something along the lines of "players and managers will come and go, Liverpool football club will always remain"

And of course the short and simple "the club comes first".

I love Kenny. I always have and I always will. Nothing will ever diminish my undying love and adoration for that man. But I can't keep living in denial. I can't keep ignoring the fact that we're regressing in the desperate hope that its all eventually going to click and fall into place for us. My heart is telling me to defend him at all costs, but my head just wont let me blank out the harsh truths. Because the truth is, our league campaign has been beyond bad. It has actually been a total and utter failure. That was our 10th loss today. We've lost one third of all our league games. We have also drawn 9. Our home record is appalling. We've been continually dropping points all season against dross opposition. And there's no point denying the fact that we invested a significant amount of money in players who have simply not delivered.

We finished on 63 points in 2010. We played 38 games that season, winning 18, drawing 9 and losing 11. If we drop just 1 more point between now and the end of this season then we'll finish our league campaign on a lesser points tally than we finished on in 2010. Does anyone really think we have the ability to win our last 7 games on the bounce? Considering we have yet to even string as little as 3 wins together this season, I don't see us pulling it off to be honest, and I generally pride myself on being an optimist. Can we finish higher than 63 points this season? Sadly, I don't think we can. Rafa was sacked for finishing on 63 points and he didn't have the luxury of signing nigh on 100 million pounds worth of players in two transfer windows.

In my mind we've got a two options here. Option 1 is we retain the current management, despite the fact we're slipping ever further towards mid table. We retain them in the hopes that they can improve 10 fold on this seasons abysmal league campaign. My heart wants this option.

Option 2 is the harder one. Option 2 is the one where we don't let our hearts rule our heads, and where we apply the same assessment criteria to the current management that was applied to our former European Cup winning manager in 2010, just 1 short year after he had led us to a club record points tally of 86.

That's what it essentially boils down to IMHO. Those motto's I mentioned are ringing loud in my head right now if I'm honest. And I say that with a heavy heart. I can't put in words how much I wanted the clubs greatest living icon to return and to be a triumphant. Every one of us wanted it, but sadly I don't think its going to have the ending we all wanted. I'd love to be proved wrong mind, but that's just how I honestly feel. I also think we'd be foolish to let a league cup success mask the fact that we're slipping further behind in our league form. But as I said, nothing will ever diminish my love and adoration for that man, he will always be the living breathing embodiment of all that is good about Liverpool FC. I'm just offering my honest feelings is all, in the most respectful way I can. Because I've nothing but total respect for Kenny, and I always will

Exactly my opinion. We are way off the standards set by Rafa and we have to take stock.
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Re: full time Liverpool 1-2 Wigan Athletic
« Reply #1079 on: March 24, 2012, 06:55:26 PM »
Joey Suarez and Mick Enrique have really been our only decent British buys. Jerry Coates looks alright to be fair, don't know if KK bought him though.
It's Lewis Suarez and Joey Enrique. As for Coates, I heard about a kid named Coates scoring a great goal or something, but it must be a myth since no one's ever seen him play.