Topic: Why I trust Kenny

[Immoral King Brian Blessed]

I'm no word smith. If you take a look through my post history you'll probably find more one line posts than anything. And while they're gold (to me) they do show that I am not one for words. Even less so for this forum, what with the detailed discussion of tactics, formations, etc.

The reason I'm writing this is from the heart. It comes after reading "why is Kenny so untouchable?" I replied to that in the thread it was written. In not a very nice way, in a way that might earn me a ban. Go on, take a look at my post history. Back? Good.

You'll also have to forgive me as I'm typing this while taking care of a four year old and nearly tenth month old. 

But it is from the heart.

I started watching Liverpool as a young kid, this is back when Ian Rush and Kenny Dalglish were putting teams in their place. He was then doing it as player manager. A domestic double in his first season in that role wasn't bad. Wasn't bad at all. And so time went on, and April 15th, 1989 happened. I wasn't there. I wasn't living in Liverpool. However, I do know Kenny held the essence of LFC together. He was the embodiment on the pitch, he was the embodiment as manager and he was the embodiment as a grieving soul. 

Having said that, I'm not trying to overplay Hillsbrough. Yes, it was very important what he did then and the days following, the most important thing he has done for the club. But not al he has done. As a player and manager he is Legend. 

So why is Kenny so untouchable? For reasons I cannot express in words. Maybe it's an age thing. If you didn't witness Kenny in his pomp, I can sort of understand why you have less patience that those that did. 

I'll stop rambling now, sorry, but that one line really fucked me off!

[Rafa_La]

I like your words.

Hurts when words get said against Kenny.

Find it hard to respond with reason & balance.

Guess repeated posts 'Because it's Kenny you .....'would earn me a ban too.

Might wear that with pride.

I trust Kenny

[zip]

I trust Kenny as well but people shouldn't be slated when they begin asking questions about the great man. Everyone is capable of making mistakes and fans have the right to question the King when things clearly aren't going the way he planned.

[Rojo O Muerto]

It was only a matter of time before one of these popped up wasn't it.

[eirwen]

I didn't watch Kenny when he was first here, but I love the man to bits. I desperate hope he can succeed here this time.

That said, people have a right to question the manager when things are not going well. No one is above the club.

[Crosby Nick]

Everyone is capable of making mistakes and fans have the right to question the King when things clearly aren't going the way he planned.

Which is fine in itself. It's the way the questioning is carried out and the words used that I guess the more rational (maybe not the best word, phlegmatic maybe?) have a problem with. There seems to be a lack of respect from some quarters that is over the top, even if people feel they have legitimiate issues with some decisions.

[TOMMO86]

Fully behind Kenny but he doesn't help himself sometimes with his subs and starting teams.

You know one thing though. He won't ever be sacked. He will walk away.

[.Mike]

You have to put everything he's done for the club aside and look at the season as a whole.

Positives:
Got a trophy.
In the Semi Final of the FA Cup.
Back in Europa League.
Man Management has been fantastic

Negatives:
Still no CL after a very poor top 4.
Bad transfers in Carroll, Adam and Henderson.
2 Wins in last 10 games.
12 points of 4th, no progress in the league.
We can't score
Questionable subs
Handling of the Suarez affair from the whole club especially the T shirts.

[redbyrdz]

There's this old joke that, if you caught Kenny in bed with your wife, you'd tuck him in so he doesn't catch a cold. I think it's more than a joke, it's true. I'm not big on 'important people', but there's something about that man that's hard to comprehend.

[Noble Nayudu]

I trust Kenny too. I just hope he makes better signings this summer.

[Nin]

I didn't watch Kenny when he was first here, but I love the man to bits. I desperate hope he can succeed here this time.

That said, people have a right to question the manager when things are not going well. No one is above the club.

Pretty much this.

[USC19Babel]

Which is fine in itself. It's the way the questioning is carried out and the words used that I guess the more rational (maybe not the best word, phlegmatic maybe?) have a problem with. There seems to be a lack of respect from some quarters that is over the top, even if people feel they have legitimiate issues with some decisions.

Sorry but this really bugs me. The club is in stasis domestically—and has been for some two or three years now—and we can't even have a discussion about it because some are too concerned with whether or not Kenny is being talked about in a respectful manner? Not having that.

[ChristophLFC]

You have to put everything he's done for the club aside and look at the season as a whole.

Positives:
Got a trophy.
In the Semi Final of the FA Cup.
Back in Europa League.
Man Management has been fantastic

Negatives:
Still no CL after a very poor top 4.
Bad transfers in Carroll, Adam and Henderson.
2 Wins in last 10 games.
12 points of 4th, no progress in the league.
We can't score
Questionable subs
Handling of the Suarez affair from the whole club especially the T shirts.

i agree with most of that, except that bold part

[Immoral King Brian Blessed]

It was only a matter of time before one of these popped up wasn't it.

and do you consider that a good or bad thing

[vivabobbygraham]

I trust Kenny as well but people shouldn't be slated when they begin asking questions about the great man. Everyone is capable of making mistakes and fans have the right to question the King when things clearly aren't going the way he planned.

Questioning and slating are not the same though mate. If you trust someone you don't slate them. Do you slate your bezzie, your partner, your kids? Things are not 'clearly' going to plan? Who, on these God forsaken boards are privvy to that plan? A cup, any fucking cup, was 'clearly' in this plan. Job done then.

[Phil_88]

fuck off mate, talking sense on this forum :-)

[Feldberg]

i agree with most of that, except that bold part

What examples of poor man management would you give?

[Immoral King Brian Blessed]

Sorry but this really bugs me. The club is in stasis domestically—and has been for some two or three years now—and we can't even have a discussion about it because some are too concerned with whether or not Kenny is being talked about in a respectful manner? Not having that.

spot on. Struggling to think why we were in stasis 2-3 years ago.

[andymanlfc]

There's so much I would like to say but I think the reaction would be bad, one thing I would like to say is nobody is bigger than the club.

Kenny deserves the respect he gets especially for how helpful he was during Hilsborough. But everyone should be open to critism, maybe who ever said "Why is Kenny untouchable?" is a bit too far but if everyone didn't say anything after losing a match then I would be pretty worried.

[ChristophLFC]

What examples of poor man management would you give?

maxi, kuyt, andy carroll, jonjo shelvey

[Rojo O Muerto]

and do you consider that a good or bad thing

Well a reply to the poster surely would've been sufficient?

It does make me laugh how bad our league form has to be before anyone can even question the management though. The only people i've really seen that have said anything remotely to replacing Kenny have been the remnants of Rafa's Disciples on here.

He deserves time and he will get it.

[Alonso_The_Assassin]

Good OP. Fully behind the man. If he can't pull us out of the rut we've been in for the last 20 years (as far as the league goes) then who can?

[Rafa_La]

It was only a matter of time before one of these popped up wasn't it.

So are you with the OP or against the OP?

Not exactly a discussable post 

[Rojo O Muerto]

So are you with the OP or against the OP?

Not exactly a discussable post 

See above.

[Feldberg]

maxi, kuyt, andy carroll, jonjo shelvey

Sorry, I'm really not trying to be obtuse here, but are you saying that not giving the players you mentioned more time on the pitch is bad man management? He picks the team he feels is appropriate and professional footballers shouldn't feel badly 'managed' if they don't get picked, that's just how it goes. If anything, you mean 'bad tactics' don't you?

Anyway, I think I know what you're driving at.

[sattapaal]

Fact is, we're starting to play football the right way.

[Crosby Nick]

Sorry but this really bugs me. The club is in stasis domestically—and has been for some two or three years now—and we can't even have a discussion about it because some are too concerned with whether or not Kenny is being talked about in a respectful manner? Not having that.

Well done on missing my point. I said there's nothing wrong with having the debate. But morons (not you) flying off the handle, demanding he's sacked doesn't constitute debate really. Anyway, will bow out now because I'm unable to articulate what I'm trying to say and don't want to derail the thread.

[Rojo O Muerto]

Fact is, we're starting to play football the right way.

I guess that doesn't involve winning then.

[USC19Babel]

Well done on missing my point. I said there's nothing wrong with having the debate. But morons (not you) flying off the handle, demanding he's sacked doesn't constitute debate really. Anyway, will bow out now because I'm unable to articulate what I'm trying to say and don't want to derail the thread.

Yeah fair play I hear what you're saying, the extremists on either side certainly don't help the debate in actually occurring.

[sattapaal]

I guess that doesn't involve winning then.

no it does. just involves players putting their mofo chances away.

[Crosby Nick]

Yeah fair play I hear what you're saying, the extremists on either side certainly don't help the debate in actually occurring.

Exactly. Now give us a hug!

[USC19Babel]

Exactly. Now give us a hug!

We could all certainly use one, eh?

[vivabobbygraham]

I guess that doesn't involve winning then.

Oh, what an own goal? Can't be arsed stating the bleeding obvious.

[masterbaker]

kenny should have something along with shanks and sir bob outside anfield or the new stadium for what he's done on and off the pitch for us!

[Rojo O Muerto]

no it does. just involves players putting their mofo chances away.

Let's be honest there's more to it than that isn't there, the mentality just isn't there at the moment when it comes to "any old league" game. It's the same thing that's plagued us for so many years.

Sunderland recently is a prime example we didn't just fail to finish in that match either.

[Nick @ TorchTriathlon]

Speaking as a member of the new generation I say that the reason I trust Kenny is two fold: The man is untouchable. His record is beyond question.

Secondly: Rome was not built a day. It was 7 years till AF won his first league title in charge of United. Four years Kenny was incharge of Rovers. Only 3 times have managers been swapped and titles won in quick succession. Arsene Wenger to Arsenal, Chelsea and Mourinho, and Ancelloti to Chelsea. In 2008 City were taken over by big bucks buyers and only now are they in a title race. Which they are currently losing. It takes time and money and faith to win the league in the modern era. All of which we have or can have.

Simple

[Zlenpasha]

Kenny is the victim of his players so far I'd say. He's maybe too lenient, perhaps not, but they're seemingly taking advantage of him and also spreading the virus of cherry picking games to bother with. He needs to squeeze more fight, determination and end product out of them even if they don't like it.

[USC19Babel]

Kenny is the victim of his players so far I'd say. He's maybe too lenient, perhaps not, but they're seemingly taking advantage of him and also spreading the virus of cherry picking games to bother with. He needs to squeeze more fight, determination and end product out of them even if they don't like it.

To be fair, sorting this sort of thing out has to be one of any manager's chief job responsibilities, hasn't it?

It's a manager's job to literally manage the players and the team...

If a manager of say a pen producing factory was unable to get his factory workers to work efficiently and to their maximum ability, wouldn't his superviser call him into question for his inability to motivate his workers, rather than calling the workers into question for their slacking?

[Rojo O Muerto]

Oh, what an own goal? Can't be arsed stating the bleeding obvious.

Please state it, be my guest.

[Mashy-rawr!nooo]

Hes made mistakes yes.
Hes not perfect,yes
He is not the best at player management,yes
He is not the best at subs, Yes

But does he deserve to go? No. He's less than two seasons. Two. Now,before you cry Hodgson, Hodgson was a disaster. End off. Kenny loves this club, he breathes this club and exhales it. Are we having a shit season? Not really, a cup won and another close. It isn't great, but it's not piss poor.We aren't play disaster hoofball. We need a few players in the summer, and to install the new sense of determination and team spirit.

We should give Kenny till the end of the next season. I have determination that He has a plan. A plan to get where he wants to be. Look how many pens and chances that been stopped by godlike saves and the woodwork. Where would be if we had got them in?

We will get there Red and White Kop. I know patience isn't the best virtue in the BPL, But we need to have some right now.

Ignore my spelling,its late.