Author Topic: Jamie Carragher - Sensible Chat Only (Read 24527 times)

.Mike · « **on:** March 21, 2012, 10:20:45 PM »

Carra for the last decade has been the centre of our back line, he has won everything at this club bar a league title. He should never be the subject to any abuse by fans after everything he has gave this club over his 690 appearances. He's always said that when he knows his legs are done he will pack it in.

So what stuck out to me today was the way he was ordering our back line, and how the rest of our defenders just looked more nervous because of it. It just caused confusion within the defence, although losing Kelly didn't help much either.

So at the age of 34 he looks like he's lost his legs and doesn't particularly fit in our defensive system. What would you do with him? I know he's done some coaching so maybe it's time to move him into coaching? I just can't see him playing another season for it, I don't think he'll allow it personally.

Lemieux · « **Reply #1 on:** March 21, 2012, 10:22:01 PM »

He shouldn't be playing for us anymore.

Willafus · « **Reply #2 on:** March 21, 2012, 10:22:55 PM »

Quote from: Lemieux on March 21, 2012, 10:22:01 PM

He shouldn't be playing for us anymore.

Circa1892 · « **Reply #3 on:** March 21, 2012, 10:24:27 PM »

I'd be blunt with him. He has a definite job on the coaching staff/youth team whe he retires (or at Sly Sports), but he's not good enough to play any more. So he can either retire, or go and play in China/America for a year and then come back.

lfcmaster · « **Reply #4 on:** March 21, 2012, 10:24:32 PM »

another mistake from kenny is playing carra

carra has been poor for a couple of seasons now

Cochise · « **Reply #5 on:** March 21, 2012, 10:24:40 PM »

I'll probably speak for most when I say this, I love Carra but he should not be starting any game unless absolutely necessary. He should be 4th choice and then finally released at the end of the season.

vishy01234 · « **Reply #6 on:** March 21, 2012, 10:25:15 PM »

Really, the thread title requests sensible chat only. So why start it straight after a defeat where we ship 3 goals in 2 minutes? It's so obvious it's not a sensible time to start a thread where one of our most loyal players is going to be made a scapegoat.

Zlenpasha · « **Reply #7 on:** March 21, 2012, 10:25:50 PM »

Pretty much a fourth choice CB picking up a first choice CB's paycheck and heavily enjoying the fact we're not exactly being run on merit every time.

OrangeMochaFraps · « **Reply #8 on:** March 21, 2012, 10:25:55 PM »

Coates should be ahead of him, but there's no need for hostility. He's been an unbelievable "servant" to the club for so many years. Doesn't deserve the stick he's getting.

MBL? · « **Reply #9 on:** March 21, 2012, 10:26:23 PM »

Was a great player years ago but he should have been dropped when Rafa was in charge and I said as much at the time. On huge money and gives us nothing. We should be asking him to leave.

.Mike · « **Reply #10 on:** March 21, 2012, 10:26:27 PM »

Quote from: lfcmaster on March 21, 2012, 10:24:32 PM

carra has been poor for a couple of seasons now

I don't think that necessarily true. I think he was decent last year.

EmmaWatson · « **Reply #11 on:** March 21, 2012, 10:27:41 PM »

great player but past his best
He should really step down and give Coates more chance

Mashy-rawr!nooo · « **Reply #12 on:** March 21, 2012, 10:29:41 PM »

Believe he should be fourth choice and take a wage cut.

He could still do well in some places such as vital games etc. a few more games so he can get 700 appearences though.

Z e u s · « **Reply #13 on:** March 21, 2012, 10:29:53 PM »

Still not seen enough of Coates to be convinced he is better than Carragher.

Rather see Coates play at the moment, given results are less important as we can't come top four. But I still think Carragher is good enough for fourth choice at least, maybe even third choice.

Sat1 · « **Reply #14 on:** March 21, 2012, 10:30:19 PM »

Think he's been on the decline for quite a while. Mainly highlighted when alonso left and us not controlling the midfield and then his hoofing come into play even more.

Looking from the outside I'd say he's only playing through favouritism

vishy01234 · « **Reply #15 on:** March 21, 2012, 10:30:22 PM »

Quote from: OrangeMochaFraps on March 21, 2012, 10:25:55 PM

Coates should be ahead of him, but there's no need for hostility. He's been an unbelievable "servant" to the club for so many years. Doesn't deserve the stick he's getting.

I agree. But he's going to get it anyway, and that's why football these days is just garbage.

It's all about money and full of knee jerkers that just make me want to walk away from the game.

I just wish everyone could step away even from a rough loss like tonight, have a pint, still have a laugh and a bit of perspective.

tubby · « **Reply #16 on:** March 21, 2012, 10:31:36 PM »

While I agree that he should be used less frequently and eventually be phased out, Carragher was far from the main problem against QPR.

anfieldanfield · « **Reply #17 on:** March 21, 2012, 10:31:37 PM »

Absolute LFC legend.

But there is absolutely no way whatsoever he should be playing ahead of Seb Coates.

.Mike · « **Reply #18 on:** March 21, 2012, 10:31:37 PM »

Quote from: Z e u s on March 21, 2012, 10:29:53 PM

Still not seen enough of Coates to be convinced he is better than Carragher.

Rather see Coates play at the moment, given results are less important as we can't come top four. But I still think Carragher is good enough for fourth choice at least, maybe even third choice.

I don't know, I just think him being on the pitch makes our defence nervous. Did you see him screaming at the players? It's not on especially when he is the liability in that back four.

kcbworth · « **Reply #19 on:** March 21, 2012, 10:33:55 PM »

Any stato have our PPG when Carra has played this season vs when he hasn't? Be curious to see

Goals shipped stat as well would be nice.

Anywhichwayucan · « **Reply #20 on:** March 21, 2012, 10:35:05 PM »

Quote from: Z e u s on March 21, 2012, 10:29:53 PM

Still not seen enough of Coates to be convinced he is better than Carragher.

Rather see Coates play at the moment, given results are less important as we can't come top four. But I still think Carragher is good enough for fourth choice at least, maybe even third choice.

Not in the first, second or third dimension, should Carragher be third choice ahead of Coates.

G1 Jockey 4(betfair) · « **Reply #21 on:** March 21, 2012, 10:35:06 PM »

their second goal was a horror show from jamie there.

Z e u s · « **Reply #22 on:** March 21, 2012, 10:35:22 PM »

Quote from: .Mike on March 21, 2012, 10:31:37 PM

I don't know, I just think him being on the pitch makes our defence nervous. Did you see him screaming at the players? It's not on especially when he is the liability in that back four.

He has always screamed, it was never a problemin the past and shouldn't be now. That is how he plays.

Don't think he was at fault for any goals tonight, personally.

duke8 · « **Reply #23 on:** March 21, 2012, 10:35:26 PM »

Quote from: Sat1 on March 21, 2012, 10:30:19 PM

Think he's been on the decline for quite a while. Mainly highlighted when alonso left and us not controlling the midfield and then his hoofing come into play even more.

Looking from the outside I'd say he's only playing through favouritism

agree.

Z e u s · « **Reply #24 on:** March 21, 2012, 10:35:48 PM »

Quote from: G1 Jockey 4(betfair) on March 21, 2012, 10:35:06 PM

their second goal was a horror show from jamie there.

I thought Henderson was at fault.

kopenddanny · « **Reply #25 on:** March 21, 2012, 10:36:13 PM »

Will make an amazing coach and a pretty good manager in time. I think he should take a back seat now and provide agger/skrtel/kelly with as much advice as he can possibly give.

Dirk18Kuyt · « **Reply #26 on:** March 21, 2012, 10:36:22 PM »

When Reina, Enrique and Gerrard do badly they should be immune from criticism.

But every single bad thing is Carra's fault.

Y2J · « **Reply #27 on:** March 21, 2012, 10:37:11 PM »

Quote from: Lemieux on March 21, 2012, 10:22:01 PM

He shouldn't be playing for us anymore.

G1 Jockey 4(betfair) · « **Reply #28 on:** March 21, 2012, 10:37:34 PM »

Quote from: Z e u s on March 21, 2012, 10:35:48 PM

I thought Henderson was at fault.

he was too but carra let a simple ball go down the side of him and then got caught with a big decision...which he got wrong.

Circa1892 · « **Reply #29 on:** March 21, 2012, 10:38:17 PM »

Quote from: Z e u s on March 21, 2012, 10:35:22 PM

He has always screamed.

Not exactly true. Can't remember him ever screaming or having a pop at Hyppia, Henchoz or Babbel or anyone he considered his senior.

G1 Jockey 4(betfair) · « **Reply #30 on:** March 21, 2012, 10:38:48 PM »

Quote from: Dirk18Kuyt on March 21, 2012, 10:36:22 PM

When Reina, Enrique and Gerrard do badly they should be immune from criticism.

But every single bad thing is Carra's fault.

lol
i havent seen an enrique thread.....but his mistake was just out of the pfk book of mishaps.

Kopite B205 · « **Reply #31 on:** March 21, 2012, 10:39:58 PM »

A great servant, but time to step aside now. A coaching role should be his next step.

Dirk18Kuyt · « **Reply #32 on:** March 21, 2012, 10:40:15 PM »

Quote from: G1 Jockey 4(betfair) on March 21, 2012, 10:38:48 PM

lol
i havent seen an enrique thread.....but his mistake was just out of the pfk book of mishaps.

Yeah I never meant the match in particular. Because Gerrard was pretty bad earlier on in the season, explainable, but still.

fizzyp · « **Reply #33 on:** March 21, 2012, 10:41:31 PM »

Quote from: EmmaWatson on March 21, 2012, 10:27:41 PM

great player but past his best
He should really step down and give Coates more chance

How long have you watched football for ? I have never heard anyone ever say a player should step down. That doesnt make sense at all. Football players don't step down they either put in a transfer request or are sold by the club.

What planet are you from ?

Z e u s · « **Reply #34 on:** March 21, 2012, 10:41:46 PM »

Quote from: G1 Jockey 4(betfair) on March 21, 2012, 10:37:34 PM

he was too but carra let a simple ball go down the side of him and then got caught with a big decision...which he got wrong.

OK I'll have to look at it again.

Renato · « **Reply #35 on:** March 21, 2012, 10:41:50 PM »

FSG will defo be looking to move him on in the summer, whether that be a move behind the scenes or a transfer. One of our biggest earners but also one of our worst players.

SamAteTheRedAcid · « **Reply #36 on:** March 21, 2012, 10:42:14 PM »

Quote from: Kopite B205 on March 21, 2012, 10:39:58 PM

A great servant, but time to step aside now. A coaching role should be his next step.

Don't let him near coaching side of things. he's a stuck in the mud. A Hodgson in the making. He's not a progressive-thinking player, he wouldn't be a progressive manager. He'll be an Ince, a Hughes, a trad jazz Churchillian yard dog of a manager. Please Fowler nooooo.

SamAteTheRedAcid · « **Reply #37 on:** March 21, 2012, 10:43:06 PM »

Quote from: fizzyp on March 21, 2012, 10:41:31 PM

How long have you watched football for ? I have never heard anyone ever say a player should step down. That doesnt make sense at all. Football players don't step down they either put in a transfer request or are sold by the club.

What planet are you from ?

She's from this planet but she's not been on the footy train long. She was umming and aahing about whether to watch our game or El Plastico earlier...

cptrios · « **Reply #38 on:** March 21, 2012, 10:43:20 PM »

Quote from: Kopite B205 on March 21, 2012, 10:39:58 PM

A great servant, but time to step aside now. A coaching role should be his next step.

This is what we should all be saying. He deserves no coarse negativity just because he's gotten older, but he shouldn't be starting.

Circa1892 · « **Reply #39 on:** March 21, 2012, 10:44:15 PM »

Quote from: fizzyp on March 21, 2012, 10:41:31 PM

How long have you watched football for ? I have never heard anyone ever say a player should step down. That doesnt make sense at all. Football players don't step down they either put in a transfer request or are sold by the club.

What planet are you from ?

Hate to mention him, but what exactly did Gary Neville do last season if not step down?