Topic: QPR 3-2 Liverpool: Full time......

[vagabond]

J.Shelvey.. ‏ @Jshelvey33  Reply  Retweet  Favorite · Open
Pick myself up and go again .. And again .. And again .. And again .. And again .. And again .. And again .. And again .. And again

maybe tomo was right??

Isn't this open contempt of Dalglish? Or is this a fake account?

[Juan Loco]

Juan I know you try to remain positive about our play but there are issues there that have been present all season.

Totally.

But... Comparing Kenny with Hodgson, whilst ignoring the fact that we are safe (comfortably) and we've won a fucking trophy is so disingenuous that it doesn't really require a load of navel gazing about what we have got wrong. It needs quashing before it gains any ill-deserved momentum.

[edmundljs]

Newbie to the forum but an auld fella here  . to be honest I think I realised for perhaps the first time how the nature of the support for this football club had changed at the attitude to Hodgson. OK he wasn't the fans choice but he was the Liverpool manager yet the support and loyalty he got from the fans was minimal. Certainly not what I've come to expect over the years watching Liverpool. Now it's come to the point when we're turning on arguably the man who symbolises LFC.

Sign of the times I guess

I'm below 30 but I think we can be friends.

[jillc]

Disgrace to the club how? A lot has changed this season. Not much you can do other than whinge, cry, kneejerk and get pissy - or just accept that there is a lot of hard work to do, trust the manager to get that work done and trust the players to respond to it - or get fucked off?

I can accept you're pissed off. I can accept that you're angry and upset. But the wheels have come off a bit. LFC and Kenny in charge is not about right now - it's not about 'since Christmas' - it's not about the next fucking ten fucking minutes.

I support the club. I trust what is being done and I accept that rebuilding takes time, some heartache and occasionally some shite and shocking results. I was totally pissed off when I went to Bolton and had I travelled to London tonight then I'd probably be fucking fuming.

But I'm at home. Nothing I can do expect be philosophical about what Kenny is trying to do and then think I'd rather back him and trust the owners and hope that things can improve over time. There is no fucking magic fucking wand. You can't fucking wave it and be invincible. It'll take time. Beyond everything we all knew this. We all know it now.

I support Kenny. I support LFC. I hope LFC can pick themselves up and we can progress. I see little point in showing what a super fan I am by slagging the manager and owners and club and players off.

They will be pissed off. I'm not best pleased. But I'm patient. Bring on next season and see what we can do this season in the FA cup.

Good post Andy, but I fear you are wasting your time with some on here, they won't be happy till they have hounded Kenny out of Anfield.

[drmick]

We will finish sixth because we are the sixth best team in the premier league
Two cups will be a good return
Champions league was probably unrealistic this year despite our hopes with the rebuild in its early stages
If this is the early stages of the rebuild I'm not sure I'm nuts about the foundations but who the fuck am I to question Kenny
Keep the faith

We'll get 7th. Just.

[Cochise]

Kenny will not get us any where near the top 4 and certainly not in contention to win the league. Cup Runs, yes! Challenging for the Premier League, no.


There I've said what I've been thinking for a while. I love Kenny but I don't think this will end well.

[Lenin]

SAd thing is, if a bunch of idiots with no professional football experience like us said at the start of last Summer that the buy overpriced "prem proven" policy was a recipe fo complete disaster and are proved right, what the fuck does that say about the people making the decisions.

Can winning a trophy be classified as a complete disaster? What if we win another one?

[Lenstar]

Fair play to QPR tho, they didnt give up. We were complacent.
Bad shit.
But its done, no point over analysing the shit out of it.
It wont change anything.
Onwards.

Sensible words amongst so much shite

[tommyLFC]

In all seriousness I think we can blame that result on this:

http://twitter.com/#!/sianisit/status/182581038571204609

Nice shameless plug of your twitter....

[norecat]

I really feel for Kenny. He'll be hurting. He'll never criticize the players in public which is right. However I would imagine he'll have lashed them once they got into the dressing room. Are we a good team. No at least not yet. A good team does not surrender a 2 goal lead especially with just 13 minutes to go. When Derry scored in the 77th minute I just had that here we go again feeling. Sadly it came to pass as we capitulated. One win in 9 fixtures is relegation form. Kenny will know that. Looking at things rationally we need a fox in the box. We need two class wingers. We need a creative midfielder and/or box to box type player. Defence, despite this result is generally solid. Corners and defending of is clearly an issue as well as dealing with crosses. A lot of work for Steve Clarke to do. Let us not forget we have won a trophy this season and are in the semi final of the FA Cup. So in some respects we are making progress though our league form is both frustrating and demoralising.
We have to face facts that we are not the imperious Liverpool of old. I'm not sure if we will be unless the mother of all sugar daddy's decides to pour gigantic money into the club. However we have made progress since FSG took over. I feel for Kenny in that he bought players with the best of intentions and with the exception of Enrique, Bellamy and Suarez they havent provided as of yet bang for the buck.
Until we somehow acquire a winning mentality we will continue to be a soft touch. Kenny still has a mother of a job on his hands FA cup win or otherwise. But there are gorunds for optomism despite this calamitous result

[reddd10]

@luis16suarez

Apologize to the fans by how we finished the game .... We return to Liverpool very upset by the score




Luis, you've got fuck all to be apologising for.

[GingerSub]

Those of you talking about needing better players... Even if we had a team that won the premier league and the CL, we'd still need to sign better players.  Every team in the history of football needed to sign better players -it's a redundant argument.  Even Barcelona needs to sign better players, even Real  Madrid do, even Manchester United need to sign better players... every team needs to always be signing better players.  Stating the obvious by calling for better players.  We need time.
If you look at the clubs who are trigger happy with managers, they don't have long term success.  The clubs (and by club I mean club, not just the starting 11) who have had real success have stood by their manager during transition and allowed him to establish himself and his club.  Sometimes you have to take a few steps back before you move forward. 

[igors_revenge]

What a fucking freaky result. Don't think we should draw any conclusions based on that to be honest.

[Camarero25]

Not impressed by those comments from Kenny, to be honest.

[Andy @ Allerton]

Kenny Dalglish felt Liverpool were desperately unlucky in suffering a late 3-2 defeat to Queens Park Rangers.

 Goals from Sebastian Coates and Dirk Kuyt put the Reds into the lead at Loftus Road, but Shaun Derry and Djibril Cisse drew the hosts level before Jamie Mackie scored an injury-time winner.

Dalglish conceded the next few days would be spent trying to find answers to why Liverpool let slip a two-goal lead, but felt the application of his players could not be faulted.

"I don't think anybody saw it coming," the boss told his post-match press conference. "I'm sure there was a fair bit of feeling before the game about how we'd approach it and how the players would react to qualifying for a semi-final.

"But I think the way they started the game was fantastic with the passing and the movement. The only thing that was missing was a bit of luck in front of goal.

"We came in (at half-time) at 0-0, but it could have been three or four easily.

"We started the second half and got the goal - a great goal for Seb. Then Dirk touched one in and to be fair you couldn't even see them (QPR) getting a goal.

"But maybe the luck they never got at Bolton 10 days ago, they got tonight in the last 20 minutes.

"There is not much more we can say. We need to find answers and make sure we're going to learn from it.

"For most of the game we were dominant. We were really creative, thoughtful and professional, but they've walked away with three points."

Asked if he felt the Liverpool players concentrated for 90 minutes, Dalglish said: "I think they did, yes.

"It's not a lack of concentration. You've got to give them (QPR) a bit of credit as well.

"We were so constructive in so many parts of our game tonight, but (from) a set play, a cross and then right at the death they've scored.

"We never got what we deserved, but it's a tough life I suppose."

Meanwhile, Dalglish confirmed Liverpool will need to assess the fitness of Martin Kelly and Charlie Adam after the pair picked up knocks at Loftus Road.

"It's just a kick he got on Sunday," the manager said of Kelly. "Charlie just twisted his knee a little bit, so we'll need to see how he is as well."

Author: @JimmyRiceWriter at Loftus Road

Decent from Kenny that. Nice to see him give QPR credit as well. I wouldn't have

I'm sure that we'll chalk it down to experience and take a look at why we caved in as we did. QPR are fighting for their lives, but we need to work on it. Good thing it doesn't happen every bloody week. But that's a once a season fuck up. Ho hum.

Wigan in another basically nothing game at Anfield. Think I'll be chilled for that. Just try and take each game as it comes and deffo look at getting the youth involved would be nice.

[Siannn.]

Nice shameless plug of your twitter....

Since I have it in my sig anyway I wouldn't really need to do that would I?

[Renato]

Kenny's gonna have to win the FA Cup if he wants to stay in the job.

[Upinsmoke]

Kenny Dalglish felt Liverpool were desperately unlucky in suffering a late 3-2 defeat to Queens Park Rangers.

 Goals from Sebastian Coates and Dirk Kuyt put the Reds into the lead at Loftus Road, but Shaun Derry and Djibril Cisse drew the hosts level before Jamie Mackie scored an injury-time winner.

Dalglish conceded the next few days would be spent trying to find answers to why Liverpool let slip a two-goal lead, but felt the application of his players could not be faulted.

"I don't think anybody saw it coming," the boss told his post-match press conference. "I'm sure there was a fair bit of feeling before the game about how we'd approach it and how the players would react to qualifying for a semi-final.

"But I think the way they started the game was fantastic with the passing and the movement. The only thing that was missing was a bit of luck in front of goal.

"We came in (at half-time) at 0-0, but it could have been three or four easily.

"We started the second half and got the goal - a great goal for Seb. Then Dirk touched one in and to be fair you couldn't even see them (QPR) getting a goal.

"But maybe the luck they never got at Bolton 10 days ago, they got tonight in the last 20 minutes.

"There is not much more we can say. We need to find answers and make sure we're going to learn from it.

"For most of the game we were dominant. We were really creative, thoughtful and professional, but they've walked away with three points."

Asked if he felt the Liverpool players concentrated for 90 minutes, Dalglish said: "I think they did, yes.

"It's not a lack of concentration. You've got to give them (QPR) a bit of credit as well.

"We were so constructive in so many parts of our game tonight, but (from) a set play, a cross and then right at the death they've scored.

"We never got what we deserved, but it's a tough life I suppose."

Meanwhile, Dalglish confirmed Liverpool will need to assess the fitness of Martin Kelly and Charlie Adam after the pair picked up knocks at Loftus Road.

"It's just a kick he got on Sunday," the manager said of Kelly. "Charlie just twisted his knee a little bit, so we'll need to see how he is as well."

Author: @JimmyRiceWriter at Loftus Road

What luck? There was nothing lucky about there goals, it was of our own making. He says there wasnt concentration issues, well i beg to differ. He's way too defensive and way too protective.

[PAC-MAN]

got to be fair, watching so far we play some good football.... downing looking good!!! from what adam done, I dont think he actually does anything!!! suarez is just boss!

[Houlliers goal face]

I hope most of you twats aren't going to Wembley.

Wembley isn't big enough to hold all the dickheads who follow us these days.

[ChristophLFC]

Nice shameless plug of your twitter....

yee not bad, not bad 

[chuckmynorris]

Anyone who disagrees that we are a mid-table team aren't being honest with themselves.
Absolutely disgusting performance, sickening. I just.. don't even know what to say to be honest. Give the players fucking pay cuts or don't pay them at all for months, not worthy of getting paid that kind of money for doing fuck all.
Where is the fucking fight?!?! Where is the hunger!??!

Leading QPR 2-0 and losing 3-2 in the last minutes.. with a display like that we should belong in the fucking championship.

I'm gonna get crucified for this but I blame this on Kenny too, a big part of it. Shit buys (yes we all know it's true, stop denying it), hate those "luck" statements when we know we should've finished the fuckin' game 8-0. Give the guys some negative feedback for fuck sakes. I just don't get the feeling from the players that they even have to worry about things like if they don't perform they're gonna get replaced.. now they're just sitting on their arses feeling comfortable with nothing to show for it. Love the guy to bits but people get blinded by this Kenny love affair with Liverpool.

God knows how long if ever we can call ourselves a big team again.. at this point we are mid-table team at best.


(Don't think I've ever been angry when we've lost before.. sad, of course many times. Never before have I been angry)

[AisoD]

If any one else mentions Benitez in this thread I'm going fucking postal with the ban gun. He's fucking irrelevant to the current situation.

Can this also extend to Hodgson too?

The Hodgson and Kenny comparisons are sickening.

[Red_Isle_Chap]

Those of you talking about needing better players... Even if we had a team that won the premier league and the CL, we'd still need to sign better players.  Every team in the history of football needed to sign better players -it's a redundant argument.  Even Barcelona needs to sign better players, even Real  Madrid do, even Manchester United need to sign better players... every team needs to always be signing better players.  Stating the obvious by calling for better players.  We need time.
If you look at the clubs who are trigger happy with managers, they don't have long term success.  The clubs (and by club I mean club, not just the starting 11) who have had real success have stood by their manager during transition and allowed him to establish himself and his club.  Sometimes you have to take a few steps back before you move forward. 

Utterly agree with that, I really do mate.

[Uruguayan36]

i Don't like the way we played today...the first half was crap.
After Suarez missed his opportunity to score the team played sheat.
Adams is not the player liverpool needs in midfield...he,Carragher,Kuyt and Maxi should go.
How can Liverpool expect to defeat strong opposition without a decent midfield?
To have a decent midfield Liverpool needs to buy gifted midfielders...
Coates played well today and i am happy for him...Suarez did not play so well but he is the only gifted player Liverpool has got...and Liverpool lost the game when he was subbed... because without him Liverpool have nothing upfront, imo.

[drmick]

Anybody know the last time we lost a game we were 2 goals up in?

[TALBERT]

deffo look at getting the youth involved would be nice.

Sterling and Shelvey to start then

[Rob Dylan]

What a load of balls, yes Kenny was the best player ever to don the jersey, however in his own words 'No one is bigger than Liverpool football club' At the minute our season is crashing down around us.  Regardless of  what Kenny has done in the past he cannot rest on his laurels.  I don't see what Kenny done in the 70s, 80s and 90s has anything to do with LFC in 2012, so I wish to fuck people would stop bringing it up.

Former managers have been battered for a lot less.

So the fact that he has won four League titles as a manager is now irrelevant?

[Torpedo Tommy]

Kenny Dalglish felt Liverpool were desperately unlucky in suffering a late 3-2 defeat to Queens Park Rangers.

 Goals from Sebastian Coates and Dirk Kuyt put the Reds into the lead at Loftus Road, but Shaun Derry and Djibril Cisse drew the hosts level before Jamie Mackie scored an injury-time winner.

Dalglish conceded the next few days would be spent trying to find answers to why Liverpool let slip a two-goal lead, but felt the application of his players could not be faulted.

"I don't think anybody saw it coming," the boss told his post-match press conference. "I'm sure there was a fair bit of feeling before the game about how we'd approach it and how the players would react to qualifying for a semi-final.

"But I think the way they started the game was fantastic with the passing and the movement. The only thing that was missing was a bit of luck in front of goal.

"We came in (at half-time) at 0-0, but it could have been three or four easily.

"We started the second half and got the goal - a great goal for Seb. Then Dirk touched one in and to be fair you couldn't even see them (QPR) getting a goal.

"But maybe the luck they never got at Bolton 10 days ago, they got tonight in the last 20 minutes.

"There is not much more we can say. We need to find answers and make sure we're going to learn from it.

"For most of the game we were dominant. We were really creative, thoughtful and professional, but they've walked away with three points."

Asked if he felt the Liverpool players concentrated for 90 minutes, Dalglish said: "I think they did, yes.

"It's not a lack of concentration. You've got to give them (QPR) a bit of credit as well.

"We were so constructive in so many parts of our game tonight, but (from) a set play, a cross and then right at the death they've scored.

"We never got what we deserved, but it's a tough life I suppose."

Meanwhile, Dalglish confirmed Liverpool will need to assess the fitness of Martin Kelly and Charlie Adam after the pair picked up knocks at Loftus Road.

"It's just a kick he got on Sunday," the manager said of Kelly. "Charlie just twisted his knee a little bit, so we'll need to see how he is as well."

Author: @JimmyRiceWriter at Loftus Road

I'd agree with the vast majority of that but the bits in bold underlines are the key bits.

If we are not putting our chances away and seem to ship a goal with every chance we concede then we need to keep our play on the front foot until the referee blows the whistle - be it 90 or 98 minutes.

Hopefully we will learn but this inviting pressure on to ourselves has dogged us for the last two years now.

The only bit I disagree with is the concentration bit.  We obviously didn't concentrate for the whole match

[skooma]

I don't understand, this team is good defensively. That's all this team can do well!

Did they bet against themselves?

[Libertine]

wonder what fsg are thinking.

hopefully pondering how 18 months under their leadership has seen the club adrift on and off the field and planning on how to improve that situation.

[Anywhichwayucan]

In all seriousness I think we can blame that result on this:

http://twitter.com/#!/sianisit/status/182581038571204609

I demand some cheese on toast, please.

[edmundljs]

Those of you talking about needing better players... Even if we had a team that won the premier league and the CL, we'd still need to sign better players.  Every team in the history of football needed to sign better players -it's a redundant argument.  Even Barcelona needs to sign better players, even Real  Madrid do, even Manchester United need to sign better players... every team needs to always be signing better players.  Stating the obvious by calling for better players.  We need time.
If you look at the clubs who are trigger happy with managers, they don't have long term success.  The clubs (and by club I mean club, not just the starting 11) who have had real success have stood by their manager during transition and allowed him to establish himself and his club.  Sometimes you have to take a few steps back before you move forward.

This.

[LiverLuke]

In all seriousness I think we can blame that result on this:

http://twitter.com/#!/sianisit/status/182581038571204609

hah dont worry, you weren't the only one.

[shelovesyou]

It says a lot that we're on course to finish worse off points wise than we did last season.

Terrible retort.

Oh how will i sleep now ?
Dont care about the percieved quality of the retort I made, just telling how you posted that.

Take 5 , have a think about whats happened this season, how weve played more often that not, where we were last season, how many trophies we have this season, all the new players that came in, have a little think about that, qualify it, then come back and give us something with a bit more fucking teeth to ponder on mate.

[tommyLFC]

Since I have it in my sig anyway I wouldn't really need to do that would I?

Or you could have just wrote what you wrote on your twitter in here. Like I said, nice plug.

[karl1987]

J.Shelvey.. ‏ @Jshelvey33  Reply  Retweet  Favorite · Open
Pick myself up and go again .. And again .. And again .. And again .. And again .. And again .. And again .. And again .. And again

maybe tomo was right??

I thought he closed his account after a certain photo was posted on his account by his mate last year.

[Houlliers goal face]

What luck? There was nothing lucky about there goals, it was of our own making. He says there wasnt concentration issues, well i beg to differ. He's way too defensive and way too protective.

Well he's not going to be playing you on saturday - so it doesn't matter if his post match comments don't work for you.

[zip]

We're not at the beginning of the season are we? We're not in the bottom three. We're in a FA Cup semi final, and we have the League Cup locked up in a cabinet. A numbe of the current squad will be flying out of Melwood this summer and never coming back. If idiots on this board are asking questions about succession then it's fair to assume that the smart fellas at FSG may well have a successor the King in place.

None of this histrionic bleating carries any weight. It's hot air, Internet guff. Bring on the blueshite.

Cups are great, I'm not denying that but wasn't our season objective to get back in to the Champions League to bring back those famous European nights? We were all looking forward to the new season but something went wrong. Kenny is great at cup competitions and it's great to see us fighting for silverware once again but we have to take the bad with the good. Kenny has also made some mistakes and that shouldn't be ignored because he is a legend to our club. I hope he can bring us out of the current mess we are in.

[MichaelA]

What a load of balls, yes Kenny was the best player ever to don the jersey, however in his own words 'No one is bigger than Liverpool football club' At the minute our season is crashing down around us.  Regardless of  what Kenny has done in the past he cannot rest on his laurels.  I don't see what Kenny done in the 70s, 80s and 90s has anything to do with LFC in 2012, so I wish to fuck people would stop bringing it up.

Former managers have been battered for a lot less.

 Well you're beyond help. Bye.