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Re: FSG - are they living up to their own billing?
« Reply #520 on: March 31, 2012, 04:01:02 PM »
I don't agree with most of what Evans, but he's right about the stadium, they need to get it sorted, they've had 18 months to sort it. They haven't done enough IMO. And if it's true we don't have any money for the summer, put yourself in FSGs postion..would you give Kenny money? I'm not sure I would. For some reason I don't think FSG actually wanted kenny in charge in the first place this season. But after the job he did when he came in it was impossible not to.
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Re: FSG - are they living up to their own billing?
« Reply #521 on: March 31, 2012, 04:02:18 PM »
I'd rather they take years to get it right than take a rash decision that turns out to be an almightly fuck up.

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Re: FSG - are they living up to their own billing?
« Reply #522 on: March 31, 2012, 04:04:34 PM »
I'd rather they take years to get it right than take a rash decision that turns out to be an almightly fuck up.

Just like Parry and Moores took years to make the right decision? ::)
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« Reply #523 on: March 31, 2012, 04:13:47 PM »
I don't agree with most of what Evans, but he's right about the stadium, they need to get it sorted, they've had 18 months to sort it. They haven't done enough IMO.
Hard to gauge this though isn't it, they could be doing all they can, as fast as they can behind the scenes. Perhaps the Suarez affair and our poor league form has hampered their ability to extract top price from would be investors too.
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« Reply #524 on: March 31, 2012, 04:28:34 PM »
Hard to gauge this though isn't it, they could be doing all they can, as fast as they can behind the scenes. Perhaps the Suarez affair and our poor league form has hampered their ability to extract top price from would be investors too.

It is hard but they could easily tell us they're doing it. Ayre got asked recently, he came across as nothing had changed, just heard the dreaded few words again, 'looking to progress'. The longer we wait the more we fall behind, we've been waiting 10 years now for some movement on this.
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Re: FSG - are they living up to their own billing?
« Reply #525 on: March 31, 2012, 04:28:39 PM »
And ultimately, the squad has underperformed this season, and had we not had so many ailed signings who knows where we'd be.

Nothing more than a well timed exercise in deflecting the attention from Kenny and the on the pitch failings?

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Re: FSG - are they living up to their own billing?
« Reply #526 on: March 31, 2012, 04:32:44 PM »
- has it ever struck anyone that maybe sometimes they're out working contacts, following leads, phoning people to ask difficult questions, and doing what journalists are supposed to do?

yes, but to what end - what are they looking for - evidence of what - if it was evidence that they've been telling porkies fine - what porkies - the only thing Evans seems to be suggesting is that we haven't gone financially bonkers and he seems to be upset by it - I dont need contacts for that - now if he uncovered two big screens in the ground and a plastic flag with every seat, a season ticket gets you an adopted east asian child  I could get a bit interested in where the hell they are taking the club. They said we'd live within our means 18 months ago that sounded like Nirvana.

Truth be told money has always been important, we just weren't that arsed when we were the club routinely breaking the transfer fees; bit rich to moan now we aren't the wealthiest folks in town (especially as the club is mostly responsible for its own relative demise). More precisely, it's the margins that have increased; in the past, perhaps footy was more like the Grand National with the favourites in and around the winners, but with an outsider certainly having a chance. Now the top flight is more like a Grade one race, where only the favourites will ever win, and so any slight mistakes amongst them - because the margins have become so magnified - become crucial. Therefore, imagine if you had started to build a platform and were getting into CL Finals and came a close second in the PL, you may think rather than binning that whole enterprise off it was worth sticking with. In a long list of shooting-ourselves-in-the-foot fuck-ups in recent years, that must be pretty near the top. FSG may prove to earn their place on that list in the future, they certainly aren't on it now.In what age gone by did the fans ever get consulted? As soon as the Wembley bill came in it was obvious what the ramifications would be sadly.

'truth be told' an interesting phrase -  money was always important what its wasn't was the most important thing - a manager could take a bunch of players, devise a way of getting them to play together and take them from the 2nd division and win the european cup on merit not budget. Possible now?

look at who broke the transfer records up until the 90's - teams like West brom, wolves, derby, everton - it changed frequently and was in many teams grasp - can you see that happening now - Liverpool rarely broke the transfer record - teenage records, defenders records maybe - doing things cleverly rather than with a bludgeon of a cheque book - my recollection was of gawky teenagers like Hansen, Nicol, Whelan, lower league players like Keegan, Clemence forged into crackin teams not the boy band X factor manufactured teams we see today.

as for fan 'consultation' - for the semi's it was basically every year with the location of the semi's based on who qualified wasn't it? Not sure at what point a league game took precedence over a FA cup semi.
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Re: FSG - are they living up to their own billing?
« Reply #527 on: March 31, 2012, 04:33:15 PM »
Bar the stadium issue, in which I think they have been poor in moving things forward. I think the owners have done well. If we signed better players last summer and were in 4th no one would be questioning FSG and that inludes Tony Evans. It was always going to happen, people would vent their frustrations onto the owners rather than Kenny if things went bad.
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Re: FSG - are they living up to their own billing?
« Reply #528 on: March 31, 2012, 04:58:14 PM »
Wasn't the reason they got to buy the club for 100 mil less than market value, so that they can use the saved money on buying players, my memory isn't to good but I'm sure that was banded around at the time of the sale,or then again maybe I just imagined it, but if true then that would mean after the net spend of 30/40 million so far and some or most of that coming from profits then there should be plenty left in the pot.  Wishful thinking maybe, I can dream
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Re: FSG - are they living up to their own billing?
« Reply #529 on: March 31, 2012, 05:10:09 PM »
'truth be told' an interesting phrase -  money was always important what its wasn't was the most important thing - a manager could take a bunch of players, devise a way of getting them to play together and take them from the 2nd division and win the european cup on merit not budget. Possible now?

look at who broke the transfer records up until the 90's - teams like West brom, wolves, derby, everton - it changed frequently and was in many teams grasp - can you see that happening now - Liverpool rarely broke the transfer record - teenage records, defenders records maybe - doing things cleverly rather than with a bludgeon of a cheque book - my recollection was of gawky teenagers like Hansen, Nicol, Whelan, lower league players like Keegan, Clemence forged into crackin teams not the boy band X factor manufactured teams we see today.
Indeed, that's what my sorry horse racing analogy was trying to point out :D
as for fan 'consultation' - for the semi's it was basically every year with the location of the semi's based on who qualified wasn't it? Not sure at what point a league game took precedence over a FA cup semi.
I think fan input in the game is now more than ever, in the sense it's no longer (as) acceptable to treat us like pigs. You're right of course how it was done before, but even then not sure there was much consultation going on.
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Re: FSG - are they living up to their own billing?
« Reply #530 on: March 31, 2012, 05:10:26 PM »
Bar the stadium issue, in which I think they have been poor in moving things forward. I think the owners have done well. If we signed better players last summer and were in 4th no one would be questioning FSG and that inludes Tony Evans. It was always going to happen, people would vent their frustrations onto the owners rather than Kenny if things went bad.

The whole of the time the new stadium was mooted, designed and consented, it seemed to me that since it clearly isn't better financially (and we now know it isn't) then what the hell was it about?

Attracting new owners to a club who's owners couldn't compete any more? Making a big splash with extravagant designs to up the ante for the next lot?  Whatever it was it couldn’t have been about making more money for investment in the team.

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So FSG have inherited a crock of sh*te on the new stadium and worse, a planning consent that had entrenched the local authority into a cul-de-sac. Eighteen months in and they've unpicked all that crap and come to their own conclusions.

Council attitude has been defensive but has shifted since because in the meantime the penny has dropped and a number of circumstances have changed that limits their ability to help.

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FSG now face the difficulties of getting on with it either as a redevelopment or the second best of finding enough (any?) naming rights to pull something out of the mire of a new stadium. There are no quick solutions.



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« Reply #531 on: March 31, 2012, 05:11:28 PM »
The whole of the time the new stadium was mooted, designed and consented, it seemed to me that since it clearly isn't better financially (and we now know it isn't) then what the hell was it about?

Attracting new owners to a club who's owners couldn't compete any more? Making a big splash with extravagant designs to up the ante for the next lot?  Whatever it was it couldn’t have been about making more money for investment in the team.

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So FSG have inherited a crock of sh*te on the new stadium and worse, a planning consent that had entrenched the local authority into a cul-de-sac. Eighteen months in and they've unpicked all that crap and come to their own conclusions.

Council attitude has been defensive but has shifted since because in the meantime the penny has dropped and a number of circumstances have changed that limits their ability to help.

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FSG now face the difficulties of getting on with it either as a redevelopment or the second best of finding enough (any?) naming rights to pull something out of the mire of a new stadium. There are no quick solutions.

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« Reply #532 on: March 31, 2012, 05:14:55 PM »
yes, but to what end - what are they looking for - evidence of what...

Maybe we'll find out in a wee while if we're patient. But those are good questions. :)

And it doesn't have to be dramatic either - the more humdrum the better in fact. Looking forward to overwhelming evidence that they're on the right track. :)
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« Reply #533 on: March 31, 2012, 05:55:52 PM »
The biggest yardstick would be what they do in terms of long term profitability. Stadium is a big one in that scheme but if in the short term they can find mechanisms to keep the profitability and the ability to compete financially we should be okay.
So far everything else has been good. They have made the right noises, put their money into the transfers, they have football to the experts, revised the scouting system and many more which all point to them being good at their job. To an extent they whole league has been murdered by the amount of cash coming in from the likes of city and chelsea. Given the mancs have been better marketed it now almost a given that those will be 3 teams in the top 4. Then it is down to the next tier of teams who are competing on level terms in Arsenal, Spurs, Liverpool. In CL the FFP may make a difference but in the league what chance do we have to break the money barrier. That is  our biggest challenge now, to compete at the top with limited funds, to grow within a budget. Taking pot-shots at Kenny after a couple of games may be justified but over 38 games the money speaks. We can try to overachieve but right now year on year we cannot do what city or chelsea is doing which is to buy the best possible team they can. We have to do it more intelligently, we have to try and build a team. We have no choice but to be patient.
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Re: FSG - are they living up to their own billing?
« Reply #534 on: March 31, 2012, 06:39:01 PM »
Maybe we'll find out in a wee while if we're patient. But those are good questions. :)

And it doesn't have to be dramatic either - the more humdrum the better in fact. Looking forward to overwhelming evidence that they're on the right track. :)

But most of us are being patient, it's journos who are rustling up trouble. And you even said "I'm glad to see people are questioning FSG".
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Re: FSG - are they living up to their own billing?
« Reply #535 on: March 31, 2012, 06:41:49 PM »
Maybe we'll find out in a wee while if we're patient. But those are good questions. :)

And it doesn't have to be dramatic either - the more humdrum the better in fact. Looking forward to overwhelming evidence that they're on the right track. :)

Right. The wily old hacks have a plan to make the club cough up a dastardly secret... the new stadium doesn't make money perhaps or FSG won't invest their own money or a humdrum tidbit like George Sephton's retiring or they want to take the credit for 'forcing' FSG into something they were going to do anyway? No, it's just not good enough.

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« Reply #536 on: March 31, 2012, 06:44:57 PM »
And you even said "I'm glad to see people are questioning FSG".

And so they should, after what we went through we need total transparency scross the board.
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« Reply #537 on: March 31, 2012, 06:47:34 PM »
It is hard but they could easily tell us they're doing it. Ayre got asked recently, he came across as nothing had changed, just heard the dreaded few words again, 'looking to progress'. The longer we wait the more we fall behind, we've been waiting 10 years now for some movement on this.

Just out of curiosity but what did you want them to say?

Does telling the fans that they are doing A (Yes, we are trying to get investors but getting stuck) or B (Yes, we believe the council is trying to screw us around) or C (Yes, we are going to put more money in for the transfer window) behind the scenes instead of just a general "yes, we are making progress" achieve anything?

I prefer they only speak when the talking actually serves a purpose.

Doing anything else just leads to over-analysis by armchair critics regardless of what is said. Coming from the club, there is no such thing as a mild statement. Lets say they announced "Yes, we will be putting in 100m pounds for the next transfer window because the team needs strengthening". What does that achieve except drive up the prices of next window's targets?

At the end of the day, if fans need to feel reassured, it should be from deeds and not words. There is really zero need for them to tell us the details unless it advances the clubs agenda. That's just the way organized and disciplined clubs behave.

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« Reply #538 on: March 31, 2012, 07:18:42 PM »
To an extent they whole league has been murdered by the amount of cash coming in from the likes of city and chelsea. Given the mancs have been better marketed it now almost a given that those will be 3 teams in the top 4.
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« Reply #539 on: March 31, 2012, 08:02:41 PM »
Right. The wily old hacks have a plan to make the club cough up a dastardly secret... the new stadium doesn't make money perhaps or FSG won't invest their own money or a humdrum tidbit like George Sephton's retiring or they want to take the credit for 'forcing' FSG into something they were going to do anyway? No, it's just not good enough.

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« Reply #540 on: March 31, 2012, 08:03:28 PM »
Just out of curiosity but what did you want them to say?

Does telling the fans that they are doing A (Yes, we are trying to get investors but getting stuck) or B (Yes, we believe the council is trying to screw us around) or C (Yes, we are going to put more money in for the transfer window) behind the scenes instead of just a general "yes, we are making progress" achieve anything?

I prefer they only speak when the talking actually serves a purpose.

Doing anything else just leads to over-analysis by armchair critics regardless of what is said. Coming from the club, there is no such thing as a mild statement. Lets say they announced "Yes, we will be putting in 100m pounds for the next transfer window because the team needs strengthening". What does that achieve except drive up the prices of next window's targets?

At the end of the day, if fans need to feel reassured, it should be from deeds and not words. There is really zero need for them to tell us the details unless it advances the clubs agenda. That's just the way organized and disciplined clubs behave.


not really - the stadium issue is bigger than a transfer budget

we've been 'promised' a stadium for a decade - at one point it was 60 days away - we sold the family silver to carpet baggers in the belief that stadium would be built - two lots of owners have gone because of it

but more than that thousands of local people have had their futures strung out by delay after delay - there's a whole area of the City which has been on hold for a decade or more were lives could have improved , where kids could have grown up differently whilst the club pontificates and procrastinates

ok fsg have had 18 months to try and dig through the mire - but how much have they engaged with the local community - how understanding are they - others would be better placed than me to say - what plans have they actually put in place - could  a decision have been reached sooner - if not why not - we've had Ayre suggest that a new stadium is uneconomical without massive investment - we've had Henry state that redevelopment looks impossible because of the council - we've had the council draw several lines in the sand - yes this could all be positioning and posturing but what does it actually mean?

It's a big decision but I'm disapointed there hasn't been more clear information and I'm disapointed we've been through a third learning curve about the whole thing rather than learning from the past and have failed to make a decision or even a recommendation after 18 months.

is a new stadium preferred if the money is available from naming rights - presumably yes because as a business we get a huge sum invested into the business? if so, why dont we know?

if thats the plan how long do we wait? is it dependent upon on field performance?  do we have to make the CL to make it reality? If so has it just been postponed 12 months?

is redevelopment only a fall back option, if the naming rights aren't available? If so, at what point does it kick in?

is redevelopment even an option because of the economics - lost revenue, planning permission etc

as a business you may argue you want to keep all this internal - as a central part of a community rebuilding program you can't.

if we dont have the money to do either for the forseeable future then say so and let's move on.

there the main reasons I'm disapointed with fsg on the comms front
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« Reply #541 on: March 31, 2012, 08:08:43 PM »
But most of us are being patient, it's journos who are rustling up trouble. And you even said "I'm glad to see people are questioning FSG".

I am, yes. That was kind of the point of the o.p. - to suggest that with accounts coming and whatnot, it's be good to have a think about all this.

It's probably a healthy rule of thumb to take half of what you read or hear from anywhere in life with a pinch of salt, and never without some thought about context. That goes for NESN interviews with Commolli's as much as it does opinion pieces in the broadsheets. Best to aggregate it all and take a broader view - then you can see if a pattern emerges.

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« Reply #542 on: March 31, 2012, 08:33:48 PM »
as a business you may argue you want to keep all this internal - as a central part of a community rebuilding program you can't.

Therein lies the conflict.

FSG isn't working in a vacuum and everything that is revealed before time changes their bargaining position with regards to the council and other parties.

is a new stadium preferred if the money is available from naming rights - presumably yes because as a business we get a huge sum invested into the business? if so, why dont we know?"
if thats the plan how long do we wait? is it dependent upon on field performance?  do we have to make the CL to make it reality? If so has it just been postponed 12 months?
is redevelopment only a fall back option, if the naming rights aren't available? If so, at what point does it kick in?
is redevelopment even an option because of the economics - lost revenue, planning permission etc

Wouldn't this lead to the eventual endless questions about "how much money do you need in naming rights before a new stadium makes sense?" and stir up endless stories about how the figure unreasonable (or reasonable) that figure is in the context of club vs. city vs. council? If you reveal the figure (which changes depending on construction material cost), you are screwed either way. If you don't, then does it make a difference?

The same line of thought applies to the other questions as well. If we say it depends on the teams performance, that adds pressure on KD and on them to reassure the public about increased transfer funds. If we say we are willing to wait 2 years, what happens 2 years later when the economy may have changed dramatically?

There is just no way to answer these questions without stirring up a hornets nest that the club does not need.

if we dont have the money to do either for the forseeable future then say so and let's move on.

This I agree with wholeheartedly and is something I don't think they will drag out if that is indeed the case. The fact that it hasn't happened probably means there is something going on and that they are working on it.

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Re: FSG - are they living up to their own billing?
« Reply #543 on: March 31, 2012, 08:55:00 PM »
Just out of curiosity but what did you want them to say?

Does telling the fans that they are doing A (Yes, we are trying to get investors but getting stuck) or B (Yes, we believe the council is trying to screw us around) or C (Yes, we are going to put more money in for the transfer window) behind the scenes instead of just a general "yes, we are making progress" achieve anything?

I prefer they only speak when the talking actually serves a purpose.

Doing anything else just leads to over-analysis by armchair critics regardless of what is said. Coming from the club, there is no such thing as a mild statement. Lets say they announced "Yes, we will be putting in 100m pounds for the next transfer window because the team needs strengthening". What does that achieve except drive up the prices of next window's targets?

At the end of the day, if fans need to feel reassured, it should be from deeds and not words. There is really zero need for them to tell us the details unless it advances the clubs agenda. That's just the way organized and disciplined clubs behave.


I think when it comes to the transfer budget that's fair enough, you don't want to make statements that might put your strategy at risk. FSG will be under scrutiny as to how much they back the manager in summer and rightly so but it's only when the transfer window shuts we'll be able to get the full picture.

Providing no news on the stadium does leave FSG's intentions open to speculation, which in fairness they might not care about but it will continue until the issue is either resolved or they are more transparent with what is currently holding up any progress. The point Tony Evans seems to be making is that until there is progress Liverpool will remain in a peroid of stagnation in terms of success and that is all the fans really care about.

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Re: FSG - are they living up to their own billing?
« Reply #544 on: March 31, 2012, 09:07:12 PM »
Wouldn't this lead to the eventual endless questions about "how much money do you need in naming rights before a new stadium makes sense?" and stir up endless stories about how the figure unreasonable (or reasonable) that figure is in the context of club vs. city vs. council? If you reveal the figure (which changes depending on construction material cost), you are screwed either way. If you don't, then does it make a difference?


yes it would and it already has. It really only boils down to one thing.

communicating a decision that allows us to go forward rather than staying in 'limbo'
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Re: FSG - are they living up to their own billing?
« Reply #545 on: March 31, 2012, 10:19:04 PM »
They have made the right noises, put their money into the transfers,


Have they though?  Not as much as many would appear to think.  Figures get banded about in critisism of Kenny D and the £100m+ etc.  However when you consider net spend, it ain't a huge amount funderd by the owners.  Much of the transfer funds have been off set by dosh received for player sales and further saved on wages.

Jury's still out on that for me

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Re: FSG - are they living up to their own billing?
« Reply #546 on: March 31, 2012, 10:21:48 PM »
Really gone off Evans over the last couple of years.  Comes across as quite bitter nowadays. 
I think FSG are doing a good job, the stadium issue is a bit of a worry. Hopefully there working night and day behind the scenes to make sure they get it right. 
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Re: FSG - are they living up to their own billing?
« Reply #547 on: March 31, 2012, 10:25:37 PM »
Really gone off Evans over the last couple of years.  Comes across as quite bitter nowadays. 
I think FSG are doing a good job, the stadium issue is a bit of a worry. Hopefully there working night and day behind the scenes to make sure they get it right.

But the way he's suddenly having a go at them and still doing it now, must mean he's heard something. One person asked him if we should worry about them and he said yes. Surely he wouldn't just make it up would he?.
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Re: FSG - are they living up to their own billing?
« Reply #548 on: March 31, 2012, 10:30:41 PM »
Really gone off Evans over the last couple of years.  Comes across as quite bitter nowadays. 
I think FSG are doing a good job, the stadium issue is a bit of a worry. Hopefully there working night and day behind the scenes to make sure they get it right. 
People hated him when he said he knew for a fact alonso Torres and Mascherano wanted to leave....


He was right....


He made a colossal balls up with the china story though, must have got some grief for a front page story that didn't have any bones behind it......

He's just expressing his doubts, there's no evidence I the story, it's not a factual piece, it's just his concerns as a fan really...
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Re: FSG - are they living up to their own billing?
« Reply #549 on: March 31, 2012, 10:37:29 PM »
Except Hicks confirmed that the Mill Financial ownership of their debt was correct - the Times were closer than people realise - the true money men just made bad choices is all.
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Re: FSG - are they living up to their own billing?
« Reply #550 on: March 31, 2012, 10:41:22 PM »
Tony Evans is a twat.

very much so

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Re: FSG - are they living up to their own billing?
« Reply #551 on: March 31, 2012, 10:42:58 PM »
Except Hicks confirmed that the Mill Financial ownership of their debt was correct - the Times were closer than people realise - the true money men just made bad choices is all.
But how close that was to the Chinese government buying us is another matter....  Bamba on here got loads of stick for it.... I always thought he was trying to be straight up.

Whatever happened to Kenny haung???!

Annoyingly Brian reads book didn't seem to cover much detail that we all didn't know already....actually, I think I knew far more from being on here than reading brians book...oh well... Thank god that's gone...the footballs still not good enough, but the noses seem to be out of the trough
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Re: FSG - are they living up to their own billing?
« Reply #552 on: March 31, 2012, 10:44:48 PM »
People hated him when he said he knew for a fact alonso Torres and Mascherano wanted to leave....


He was right....

He's just expressing his doubts, there's no evidence I the story, it's not a factual piece, it's just his concerns as a fan really...

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Re: FSG - are they living up to their own billing?
« Reply #553 on: March 31, 2012, 10:52:13 PM »
Was a net spend of 46 million mentioned? Does the drastically reduced wage bill add to the lack of spending by fsg since theyve been at the club.

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Re: FSG - are they living up to their own billing?
« Reply #554 on: March 31, 2012, 10:57:14 PM »
At the end of the day, what happens on the pitch, the performances and the points gained, is all that matters. Always.

Behind the scenes, football has always been a dirty game. LFC experienced a long period of an incredible dream and now, this nasty football reality finally took over.

But still, all this is just an distraction from the "truth" on the pitch. The way we play and how much points we take. If we get this right anything else doesn´t matter really.

And to me, the point is, that even at the end of H&G last year it was still possible to get it right. We are still LiverpoolFC, we are still able to pay reasonable wages and we still can attract top players if we decide to do so and do everything to get them.

So to me, that´s all I wanna look at. Cause even last season, as well as this season, we could have made it fourth with good squad management and clever strategy on and off the pitch. Absolutely possible.

As a fan, I take it as it comes, the transfers, the tactics, the line ups, the interviews etc. The people in charge are grown up men, get payed nicely and in my opinion should concentrate on the football right in front of them. Trying to win the next game and have the best squad for next season. In my opinion, everything else would be much easier then.
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Re: FSG - are they living up to their own billing?
« Reply #555 on: March 31, 2012, 11:01:53 PM »
Tony Evans is a twat.

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Re: FSG - are they living up to their own billing?
« Reply #556 on: March 31, 2012, 11:02:02 PM »
We'll soon see in the Summer if Evans is right about FSG. I for one hope he's not because so far they have been decent.
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Re: FSG - are they living up to their own billing?
« Reply #557 on: March 31, 2012, 11:06:00 PM »
People hated him when he said he knew for a fact alonso Torres and Mascherano wanted to leave....


He was right....


He made a colossal balls up with the china story though, must have got some grief for a front page story that didn't have any bones behind it......

He's just expressing his doubts, there's no evidence I the story, it's not a factual piece, it's just his concerns as a fan really...
I know but its since that China story that he just seems to have gone really bitter. I know he get's a lot of abuse on twitter and he has every to have a go back. But he just seems to come across as some fat bitter and twisted piss head. Even if it's just people disagreeing with him and not actually abusing them he has a right go just for disagreeing.
The way things are on the pitch though we could do without stories like this at the minute as it just puts more pressure on everyone at the club. Although I suppose if things where going well stories like this wouldn't get a second look.

I guarantee within 3 days of the Semi one of so called "journo fans" releases a story about "Kenny will be sacked in the Summer if Everton win" or "Reina or Suarez set to go in the Summer", or some other kind of unsettling story.   
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Re: FSG - are they living up to their own billing?
« Reply #558 on: April 1, 2012, 01:10:26 AM »
What's Evans said?

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Re: FSG - are they living up to their own billing?
« Reply #559 on: April 1, 2012, 01:14:54 AM »
What's Evans said?

Another load of shite I'd expect.
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