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Re: Sunderland 1-0 Liverpool: Full time.....
« Reply #2120 on: March 11, 2012, 11:39:55 AM »
We need more than a striker and winger mate

Definitely, we need two wingers/attacking midfielders, a centre mid and a striker. At least.

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Re: Sunderland 1-0 Liverpool: Full time.....
« Reply #2121 on: March 11, 2012, 11:40:37 AM »
I think all the criticism of Adam is a little unfair to be honest, 6m pounds, and let's be honest, when we have a fully fit first eleven he won't be a part of it. We need to scrutinise our 'premier buys', that just haven't performed, for whatever reason.
Adam was a stocking filler, we all know that, but Downing, Carroll, Henderson have not had the impact we would have hoped for. Like writing to Santa for a 2 grand Mountain bike, and ending up with a bike with a shopping basket on the front. They've all been a let down.
And I know he seems to be getting more gametime than he perhaps deserves, but I'd be interested to know how much of this season we've had Lucas and Gerrard both fully fit. Perhaps Kenny doesn't trust a Henderson Adam partnership in the center of our midfield?

I have often thought how much Adam would play IF Lucas & Gerrard had not been injured but at the same time, Dalglish was desperate to bring him here and I don't think he would go to all that trouble to bring a 'bench warmer' in. IMO, Lucas, Gerrard & Adam would be his first choice midfield trio with Henderson being used sparingly (for now) to replace Gerrard (on-going injury concerns) and eventually replacing him permanently.
Of the 'premium' buys, I would agree about Downing & Carroll being disappointing rather than failures but I do have high hopes for Henderson.
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Re: Sunderland 1-0 Liverpool: Full time.....
« Reply #2122 on: March 11, 2012, 11:41:21 AM »
We need more than a striker and winger mate

If we had that score with blind eyes striker in the 1st half of the season we'd have deffo around 20 more goals and tonnes of more confidence.

Sadly, yet for another season, I wish this one to be past and done with, hoping manure don't win it and start the next one afresh.

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Re: Sunderland 1-0 Liverpool: Full time.....
« Reply #2123 on: March 11, 2012, 11:42:56 AM »
I honestly don't know. FSG are stuck either waiting for the current guys to improve, give Kenny a shitload of money to replace them, or give Kenny enough money to seek a few risky potential bargains. I don't particularly like the prospect of either of those 3 options given his transfers so far

When you're lucky enough to have owners like Sheikh Mansour spunking 200million doesn't in itself create massive problems, but we don't. We need a manager that can spot these players just before they hit the big time. It's well known I'm a big Rafa fan, but we need someone with the ability to spot the Reina, Torres, Mascherano's etc of the next few years, now whether it was Rafa, the scouting network, or pure chance I don't know, but we can ill afford any more mistakes of the Carroll and Downing nature. I don't know how much FSG have 'set aside' for the upcoming 'silly season' but I'm certain that the current coaching staff will fail to match last season's points tally, it's just a question of whether FSG will understand that sometimes to go forward you have to regress slightly.
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Re: Sunderland 1-0 Liverpool: Full time.....
« Reply #2124 on: March 11, 2012, 11:46:03 AM »
Still haven't gotten over how dire that was. Only really saw the 2nd half, but on that evidence alone, we deserved nothing from the game, and our atitude stunk which was the worst thing about it. So, after a very good performance against Arsenal, our reaction to losing is to simply give up on the league and sulk?

Kenny can't control the players once they are out on the pitch but he can affect thing by picking the right players for the job, or making changes when it looks like the starting XI is struggling. If the pitch was crap, why not play Carroll from the start?Within 5-6 minutes it was obvious that the team was struggling, he should've changed it then, instead we waiting for a small mistake (letting Campbell get the shot in) and a bit of bad luck (the rebound) to then think about changes.

Still don't know what Maxi has done to not deserve even a look-in recently, he is still one of our top scorers but obviously we don't need goals do we!

I simply cannot work out why Henderson is playing on the right? I've got no problems with him in the middle but just when it seems that Downing is showing a few signs of life he gets dropped again. Hendo has no excuses for struggling on that pitch, he knows Sunderland inside out!

In the end, we paid megabucks to buy British, and the least we expect is that they put the effort in, are able to beat the mid to lower prem teams and they can cope with bad pitches. If they cannot contribute that, then it is better we gamble on cheaper foreign talent!
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Re: Sunderland 1-0 Liverpool: Full time.....
« Reply #2125 on: March 11, 2012, 11:47:06 AM »
If we had that score with blind eyes striker in the 1st half of the season we'd have deffo around 20 more goals and tonnes of more confidence.

Sadly, yet for another season, I wish this one to be past and done with, hoping the Mancs don't win it and start the next one afresh.

You'd think we would have realised after torres we shouldn't rely on just one forward to score constantly. We need a striker/s, wingers, and a midfielder at the minimum.

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Re: Sunderland 1-0 Liverpool: Full time.....
« Reply #2126 on: March 11, 2012, 11:48:02 AM »
, Dalglish was desperate to bring him here and I don't think he would go to all that trouble to bring a 'bench warmer' in. IMO, Lucas, Gerrard & Adam would be his first choice midfield trio

I've often thought this, and I think Adan would do a lot better with the protection of Lucas, and the ability of Gerrard, but Kennys preferred formation of a seemingly rigid 442, this season anyway at least would seem to contradict this?
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Re: Sunderland 1-0 Liverpool: Full time.....
« Reply #2127 on: March 11, 2012, 11:48:20 AM »
We have 4 options

1) Have absolute faith in the current staff to turn it around
2) Have valid concerns, back the current staff to turn it around
3) Have valid concerns, don't back the current staff to turn it around
4) Have invalid concerns, don't back the current staff to turn it around

A few are in Category 1. Most people fall into Category 2. A few people fall into Category 3. A mercifully small number fall into Category 4.

Even those in Category 3 will hopefully support the team, and I hope that they wish to be proved wrong. Category 4 people are most often trolls, and can sometimes be made aware of the invalidity of their criticisms if they're not. Category 2 people are fine as long as they put some thought into it. Category 1 people are generally a pain in the arse and make it as difficult to have a reasonable debate as much as the trolls in 4.

Which group would you put yourself in if this was a Liverpool fan census?


Unfortunately I'm in category 3 at the moment. I feel a lot of mistakes have been made in the last 18 months, and I'm afraid the blame has to lie on the manager. I think for me the most worrying thing over Kenny's reign has been the lack of a clear direction. At the end of last season we were all pretty sure we were going into the realms of quick pass and move football, a high intensity game, with players with great technical ability who could play intricate through balls but also a team who press the ball when the opposition are in possession. And although we've seen glimpses of this over the course of this season, I just feel like we've signed completely the wrong type of players to put this game plan into full effect.

I mean, you look at the way we played last season, and then look at who we got rid of in the summer, and it's clear we sold players who would've been well suited to it.

Meireles- Suited his game to a T, could spot a pass well, made effective runs into the box, and was pretty clinical on his day.

Aquilani- Great passer of the ball, similar to Raul in many ways although I think he's probably a more intelligent footballer, very good at finding the simple pass, and right pass. Atleast one of the two above should've stayed at the club atleast. Both preferably, with Adam not joining. But that's me using the power of hindsight I suppose.

Dani Pacheco- Never really cut it at a high level, but after some decent performances for Norwich at the back end of last season I would've liked to have seen him in the squad this year. Again, the style of football from Kenny's reds last season would've been right up his street. Playing just behind Luis would've been interesting to see.

Maxi Rodriguez- This bloke wasn't sold, but he might aswell have been. He's hardly featured this year, and after such a brilliant end to last season, it is a disgrace that he wasn't in the first 11 for the opening game against Sunderland, he'd earnt his place and it seemed Kenny was way too eager to usher in the new generation of LFC players, when perhaps easing them in individually would've been a much better and more effective plan.

I'm not going to bother explaining my views on the players we signed. Not only are they not good enough, but they don't fit in with the blueprint that had been set out by Kenny months before. Downing- a direct winger.... Andy Carroll- the battering ram up top.... Adam- the 40 yard passer....

To me these players just were not needed. We bought Downing for Carroll this much is clear. The signing of Downing was a knock on effect from signing Carroll, we needed someone who could whip a ball in, because we just signed a 6ft headering machine.

We signed Andy Carroll, not with the idea that he'll slot directly into this team, but with the idea that we're gonna have to sign a bunch of other players to get the best from him. That's not right.

So, with the combined money of Adam, Downing and Carroll we could of easily signed someone the calibre of Juan Mata, and maybe even a striker in the mould of a Llorente, or maybe not even gone for a number 9 at all. Instead have 2 world class attacking midfielders in behind Suarez making runs, passes etc etc. Still with enough money to buy Enrique and even Henderson with a view to him being a valuable squad addition, with the hope of him being a major player in later years. So the team on the opening day could've possibly been:

                   
                                                  Reina
           
           Flanno                Skrtel                   Agger         Enrique
                                 
                                  Lucas                       Aquilani
                           
                         Mata                Meireles              Maxi
                                                   
                                                 Suarez

I dunno, I'm certainly not a tactical genius, but to me that team looks pretty good! A hell of a lot better than it does right now. And the best thing is, it would've probably cost less if you took back the Carroll money, Downing money, and Adam money. And this is the team without Gerrard, and even Johnson and Kelly who were both injured at the time if I recall. I dunno, maybe the team is missing a bit of British grit, ehem. But I think it's got enough flair in it to make up for that.

And I know what I'm gonna get back from most of you. "Oh it's alright saying that now!" and "Well done you, maybe we should've appointed you manager instead ::)"

But the fact is, the manager is meant to have the foresight, and the ability to look into the future, and to determine what will work and what won't work, so that around this time we're not sat in 7th, possibly 13 points off top four. I would love nothing more than Kenny to be successful as our manager, nothing would give me more joy than to see him lift more trophies, and take us back to the very top. I just feel on the evidence of the last 18 months, this will not be the case.



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Re: Sunderland 1-0 Liverpool: Full time.....
« Reply #2128 on: March 11, 2012, 11:48:23 AM »
Still haven't gotten over how dire that was. Only really saw the 2nd half, but on that evidence alone, we deserved nothing from the game, and our atitude stunk which was the worst thing about it.

Believe it or not the first half was far far worse.

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Re: Sunderland 1-0 Liverpool: Full time.....
« Reply #2129 on: March 11, 2012, 11:49:01 AM »
To me we are lacking def a goal scorer as so many have said that can give us 20+ a season. Thats obvious to even Kenny and the staff. More worrying is the ability to break down teams like Sunderland. Our best game was against Arsenal two games ago and as we all know they play football and dont shut up shop or make sure they get lots behing the ball.
Our players seem lacking in creativity when faced with lower ranked teams who play against us to neutralise our attack. Unfortunatly I dont think its the players as much as tatics employed but I really hope I'm wrong
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Re: Sunderland 1-0 Liverpool: Full time.....
« Reply #2130 on: March 11, 2012, 11:50:14 AM »
I would love him to get a shit load of money to spend in the summer but i would equally worry it would get wasted on another Downing, Adam or Carroll.

Seriously, I don't think we are that far away. 2 or 3 new first team additions - one of which must be a striker - and I do believe we'll make real progress next year

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Re: Sunderland 1-0 Liverpool: Full time.....
« Reply #2131 on: March 11, 2012, 11:55:12 AM »
Despite all the doom and gloom, we still have the SECOND best defensive record (1 better than Man U and 2 better than...Everton :o) so IF we had a more prolific striker, things would so much different when looking at the league table.
Key signing in the summer is a forward and that is the one Dalglish MUST get right this time around.
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Re: Sunderland 1-0 Liverpool: Full time.....
« Reply #2132 on: March 11, 2012, 11:59:15 AM »
You'd think we would have realised after torres we shouldn't rely on just one forward to score constantly. We need a striker/s, wingers, and a midfielder at the minimum.

I agree with your first bit, but have to disagree on the 2nd. I might be rosetinted myslef but I firmly believe that the emergency is the strike force.

Also, we need to be realistic, and stop dreaming of agueros and superstars. We must smell the coffee and realize that unless we put a stronger show and make the top 4 or at least miss out by a point or two, we won't be able to attract that kind of player. We are liverpool and STRUGGLING for 7th is not making us attractive

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Re: Sunderland 1-0 Liverpool: Full time.....
« Reply #2133 on: March 11, 2012, 11:59:44 AM »
Despite all the doom and gloom, we still have the SECOND best defensive record (1 better than Man U and 2 better than...Everton :o) so IF we had a more prolific striker, things would so much different when looking at the league table.Key signing in the summer is a forward and that is the one Dalglish MUST get right this time around.

If only it was that simple. We have the best defensive record because we're defensive! We don't score many goals because we're defensive. None of our midfielders get in the box so they don't score but because they don't they're able to get back in position and defend quicker.

Putting a different striker up top won't change anything. If we want to score more goals the tactics have to change at the risk of conceding more goals.

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Re: Sunderland 1-0 Liverpool: Full time.....
« Reply #2134 on: March 11, 2012, 12:01:18 PM »
I dont think the balance between attack and defence is any where near right though. The tactics used do not let us play free flowing attacking football against lesser teams as I'm sure the players would like. It is no coincidence that we have had so many draws at anfield as teams rightly know our reputation and come to get anything from the game and we dont have the tactics and in some cases the players to break down them. The clever creative player is not there and what we have is workhorses and long ball to the wings options. Dont want to start anything but Aquilani would do it
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Re: Sunderland 1-0 Liverpool: Full time.....
« Reply #2135 on: March 11, 2012, 12:03:23 PM »
If only it was that simple. We have the best defensive record because we're defensive! We don't score many goals because we're defensive. None of our midfielders get in the box so they don't score but because they don't they're able to get back in position and defend quicker.

Putting a different striker up top won't change anything. If we want to score more goals the tactics have to change at the risk of conceding more goals.
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« Reply #2136 on: March 11, 2012, 12:05:41 PM »
This. So sick of some of the elitism on here. Everyone is entitled to an opinion if they can present it eloquently and back it up, whether you have 30 posts or 30,000.

Agree with that, it is so irrelevant of how many posts someone has.

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Re: Sunderland 1-0 Liverpool: Full time.....
« Reply #2137 on: March 11, 2012, 12:06:26 PM »
Stopped dipping in to these sort of threads some time back. However, I cannot let the barrenness of yesterday's game go without comment. I only saw the Sky one hour edited version - so forgive me if their editing team actually airbrushed out the best bits - but I guess it didn't so let me just record the fact that that was one fucking dispiriting excuse for a game of football.

Chief culprit - Martin "I am completely and utterly odious and  fuckin detest Liverpool with a vengeance" O'Neil - and his clear determination to inflict maximum pain on us even if it means churning out a potato bog of a pitch and team of cloggers to match it. Wouldn't surprise me if he had giant air blowers to create the North sea gale effect to boot.

Second culprit - a Liverpool team and management lacking even a modicum of werewithall to overcome the peat bog and the cloggers by rolling up their collective sleeves and coming up with at the very least some sign of collective footballing enterprise to match their inflated ability to talk the fuckin talk but not walk the walk. Third culprit - me. For watching the fucking thing and letting it depress me for even a solitary fleeting moment.

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Re: Sunderland 1-0 Liverpool: Full time.....
« Reply #2138 on: March 11, 2012, 12:15:49 PM »
If only it was that simple. We have the best defensive record because we're defensive! We don't score many goals because we're defensive. None of our midfielders get in the box so they don't score but because they don't they're able to get back in position and defend quicker.

Putting a different striker up top won't change anything. If we want to score more goals the tactics have to change at the risk of conceding more goals.

I don't agree with that at all. Firstly, we generally attack a lot but don't have anywhere near the qaulity required to turn thoseattacks into goals. Secondly, the defense is offered fuck all protection from the midfielders ahead of it

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« Reply #2139 on: March 11, 2012, 12:20:27 PM »
was up at the game yesterday,police and stewards in our end were a disgrace,tryin to make people sit down,without any joy tho......one or two were thrown out as examples,but we won the day and stood the whole 90 mins as per!....
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« Reply #2140 on: March 11, 2012, 12:20:32 PM »
Aaaaah...
We already play with 31 & 32 years old players up front.
And left out 22 years old striker at the bench.

So.. some of you are really happy now.. eh?
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« Reply #2141 on: March 11, 2012, 12:20:33 PM »
I don't agree with that at all. Firstly, we generally attack a lot but don't have anywhere near the qaulity required to turn thoseattacks into goals. Secondly, the defense is offered fuck all protection from the midfielders ahead of it

Funny how our season has nosedived since Lucas left the party.
But it must be a coincidence, 'cos Lucas is/has/will always be shite.
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« Reply #2142 on: March 11, 2012, 12:21:40 PM »
Round table time methinks.
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« Reply #2143 on: March 11, 2012, 12:24:42 PM »
So Kenny has meeting at end of season he is asked why we did not reach are goals?
His responses is we created loads chances just didn't put them away, but we played some lovely football.

FSG goes who is responsible for not getting the players in than can finish are chances? He says well we were just unlucky. So they say no worries i sure we have better luck next year. I have what ever your smoking  :o

Its all about results not performances, soon as Wenger stops getting top 4 he be out that fcking door faster than you can say but we play lovely football!!!

If arsenal game didn't teach you anything?? you can boss game much as you want at end of day what matters is the 3 points.

No offence but neither you or anyone can teach me about football, its about opinions and I disagree with yours deal with it.

 Results matter but lets not exaggerate about the standard of football being crap in most games, like you and some others are suggesting, that is given that you even watch the games and dont just react to the results like so many seem to in here!
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« Reply #2144 on: March 11, 2012, 12:36:52 PM »
Could Kenny and Benitez ever work together? ducks head back down :(

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« Reply #2145 on: March 11, 2012, 12:41:17 PM »
Could Kenny and Benitez ever work together? ducks head back down :(

Kenny director of football and Benitez as manager

For some it could be the perfect team  noy for me though their philosophy of how the game is played are poles apart so maybe not.

 The club could bring Rafa back as an ambassador or to work with the kids in the academy though.
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Re: Sunderland 1-0 Liverpool: Full time.....
« Reply #2146 on: March 11, 2012, 12:47:59 PM »
Stopped dipping in to these sort of threads some time back. However, I cannot let the barrenness of yesterday's game go without comment. I only saw the Sky one hour edited version - so forgive me if their editing team actually airbrushed out the best bits - but I guess it didn't so let me just record the fact that that was one fucking dispiriting excuse for a game of football.

Chief culprit - Martin "I am completely and utterly odious and  fuckin detest Liverpool with a vengeance" O'Neil - and his clear determination to inflict maximum pain on us even if it means churning out a potato bog of a pitch and team of cloggers to match it. Wouldn't surprise me if he had giant air blowers to create the North sea gale effect to boot.

Second culprit - a Liverpool team and management lacking even a modicum of werewithall to overcome the peat bog and the cloggers by rolling up their collective sleeves and coming up with at the very least some sign of collective footballing enterprise to match their inflated ability to talk the fuckin talk but not walk the walk. Third culprit - me. For watching the fucking thing and letting it depress me for even a solitary fleeting moment.

We were shit mate. The only good thing about it was that I didn't go to it like that Bolton farce.

I think a little of it like the Bolton game was the players having an eye on a forthcoming fixture. I think we'll see a performance against Everton. But it's not good enough. You can tell Kenny was really fuming throughout the game. The players badly let him down.
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Re: Sunderland 1-0 Liverpool: Full time.....
« Reply #2147 on: March 11, 2012, 12:55:29 PM »
I think a little of it like the Bolton game was the players having an eye on a forthcoming fixture. I think we'll see a performance against Everton. But it's not good enough. You can tell Kenny was really fuming throughout the game. The players badly let him down.

If he was fuming why did he act like all was well post-match and that Sunderland were 'lucky'.
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Re: Sunderland 1-0 Liverpool: Full time.....
« Reply #2148 on: March 11, 2012, 01:00:43 PM »
Anyone else thought Suarez looked just like Freddie Mercury when he did his usual grin last night?
If he was Dudek would've saved it...and there would be no film.

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Re: Sunderland 1-0 Liverpool: Full time.....
« Reply #2149 on: March 11, 2012, 01:05:23 PM »
No offence but neither you or anyone can teach me about football, its about opinions and I disagree with yours deal with it.

 Results matter but lets not exaggerate about the standard of football being crap in most games, like you and some others are suggesting, that is given that you even watch the games and dont just react to the results like so many seem to in here!

Don't think i said we played shit? not even said that about yesterday game yet? so i guess your wrong again mate.

About the opinion part well your wrong there again cause what does matter at the end of day is result? that what it comes down to! who wins (3 points)

Where did i say i was teaching you about football you are your own man i show you can do that your self.

What i did say was that even though we may have played wonderful football what matters is points at end of day. How long have Arsenal played so wonderful football? and in last 7years what have they gain from it? (top 4) That is only reason Wenger still has a job  not cause his football, yes it dam well nice to enjoy your team wipe the floor with a team but if you don't score?? and loose what does it matter if Suarez dribbled pass 3/4  Arsenal players.

We may see Liverpool more than a Business but end of day that is what football is Business.

3points or good performance i wonder what interest the owners. (not sure how you can even disagrees with that)
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Re: Sunderland 1-0 Liverpool: Full time.....
« Reply #2150 on: March 11, 2012, 01:07:52 PM »
I agree with your first bit, but have to disagree on the 2nd. I might be rosetinted myslef but I firmly believe that the emergency is the strike force.

Also, we need to be realistic, and stop dreaming of agueros and superstars. We must smell the coffee and realize that unless we put a stronger show and make the top 4 or at least miss out by a point or two, we won't be able to attract that kind of player. We are liverpool and STRUGGLING for 7th is not making us attractive

We need a striker or two. To me it seems carroll doesn't have a future long term so he needs replacing & another required. In terms of wingers, doubt over downing, rumour that maxi & kuyt could be moving on and bellamy can't play twice a week.

We spent loads of money & haven't improved our squad imo.

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Re: Sunderland 1-0 Liverpool: Full time.....
« Reply #2151 on: March 11, 2012, 01:10:12 PM »
If he was fuming why did he act like all was well post-match and that Sunderland were 'lucky'.

Because he's the manager and not the kind of snidey shithouse that will have a go at his players in public (Unless the thinks that it would motivate them). I've seen him plenty of times where I used to live and I met him a few times. Dead nice bloke but ruthless when he needs to be. But never saw him flustered. He's always calm, measured and positive. You can see with his interviews from now and from when he last managed there is always a twinkle in his eye and a rare subtle humour. He says what he means to say.
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« Reply #2152 on: March 11, 2012, 01:10:50 PM »
This. So sick of some of the elitism on here. Everyone is entitled to an opinion if they can present it eloquently and back it up, whether you have 30 posts or 30,000.

Except newbies

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Re: Sunderland 1-0 Liverpool: Full time.....
« Reply #2153 on: March 11, 2012, 01:11:50 PM »
Because he's the manager and not the kind of snidey shithouse that will have a go at his players in public (Unless the thinks that it would motivate them). I've seen him plenty of times where I used to live and I met him a few times. Dead nice bloke but ruthless when he needs to be. But never saw him flustered. He's always calm, measured and positive. You can see with his interviews from now and from when he last managed there is always a twinkle in his eye and a rare subtle humour. He says what he means to say.

Well it worked after Bolton did it not?
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Re: Sunderland 1-0 Liverpool: Full time.....
« Reply #2154 on: March 11, 2012, 01:15:24 PM »
Supporting your team doesn't fucking mean that you fucking come up with a list of shitty excuses for every fucking performance.

It means looking at why the fuck we are at this situation and looking at how we can make things better.

I can't stand this fucking super-fan mindset that every opinion not to their liking is from that of a fickle fan.

Grow up. This is a fucking FORUM. Check it up the dictionary.

Take a look in the mirror, sorry .... FUCKING mirror

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Re: Sunderland 1-0 Liverpool: Full time.....
« Reply #2155 on: March 11, 2012, 01:16:07 PM »
Seriously, I don't think we are that far away. 2 or 3 new first team additions - one of which must be a striker - and I do believe we'll make real progress next year

This. We need to give Kenny time to push on to the next level. Remember it took Harry and the Spuds time to get to where they are.

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Re: Sunderland 1-0 Liverpool: Full time.....
« Reply #2156 on: March 11, 2012, 01:19:24 PM »
For some it could be the perfect team  noy for me though their philosophy of how the game is played are poles apart so maybe not.

 The club could bring Rafa back as an ambassador or to work with the kids in the academy though.

Haha, Kenny bringing Rafa in as an ambassador would be ironic in the extreme!
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Re: Sunderland 1-0 Liverpool: Full time.....
« Reply #2157 on: March 11, 2012, 01:19:24 PM »
This. We need to give Kenny time to push on to the next level. Remember it took Harry and the Spuds time to get to where they are.

Time, a lot of changes to personnel, a few mistakes and a fair bit of cash

And yet there are posters on RAWK who could seemingly turn us into title challengers with 3 signings and/or change of manager

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Re: Sunderland 1-0 Liverpool: Full time.....
« Reply #2158 on: March 11, 2012, 01:20:08 PM »
Take a look in the mirror, sorry .... FUCKING mirror

I agree. I let my emotions get the better of me. Should have chosen my words better.

Take a look at the post I replied to.
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« Reply #2159 on: March 11, 2012, 01:21:03 PM »
Time, a lot of changes to personnel, a few mistakes and a fair bit of cash

And yet there are posters on RAWK who could seemingly turn us into title challengers with 3 signings and/or change of manager

No worries. My FM game says we finish this season in 8th then go on to win the next two seasons. (I play a lower league team and keep an eye on them, how sad is that?)
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