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Re: Charlie Adam - Sensible Discussion.
« Reply #480 on: March 6, 2012, 12:12:37 PM »
Not having that comparison mate, not at all. Already stated why...
And as for this...I thought we'd established that price should have nothing to do with expectations but is determined by a variety of factors, predominantly age, contractual status and competition. Bellamy on a free for example. We also spent best part of 9 months furiously trying to prise Adam from Blackpool's clutches, which isn't something you do for someone you don't expect more than 'realistic expectations' from.

see stuff like tell's me kenny sees him more of a starter

you dont pursue someone for that long, picking them up personally, basically doing the transfer himself to be a bit part player

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Re: Charlie Adam - Sensible Discussion.
« Reply #481 on: March 6, 2012, 12:12:57 PM »
well that's not really all charlie's fault, is it?  he provided three plum chances that our misfiring attack failed to take.

what you're suggesting is a wider malaise that needs to be addressed in summer recruitment.

I counted only the cross from left flank that should have resulted in a goal. Which were the other two good chances he created?

The problem is that Charlie Adam is part of that wider malaise, a big part. If you watch again that compilation of his touches, notice the positions that he is taking up. He is nearer the centre circle than he is to the other side's box. He takes up exactly the same position that Alonso used to take up. He tries to spray the balls that Alonso used to spray (but not as well, of course). He tries to play in the through ball that will show him as a Riquelme. But he fails to move INTO the danger area himself and play one twos and encourage other players to get in there. Which was what I was veyr happy to see Aquilani play for us when he did, because that was what he did. If you play with him, you have to move. Give and go, and do it again and again till you prise opne the door.
 
Benitez signed Aquilani precisely to move the creative hub of his team into the last third of the pitch so that that will facilitate pass and move movement into the box and thus bring as many of our own players into the danger area. But Adam encourages the long range "passmaster in the back" kind of attitude and as a result the team skitters around on the outskirts of the other side's backline and tries to get in through throughballs and crosses instead.

Do you blame Suarez for trying to dribble his way in then? Typically only he and Kuyt ever get into the box. Carroll would be in the box allright, but he would be barely moving the way he should have been moving.

This is what I meant about appearances being deceiving - we look like we are creating a lot of chances and dominating - but we are still knocking on the outside of the other side's door.
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Re: Charlie Adam - Sensible Discussion.
« Reply #482 on: March 6, 2012, 12:13:49 PM »
Exactly, a relegated team for that matter looking to consolidate.

Yeah, but you're forgetting about Comolli's negotiating skills, it seems. Blackpool probably tried to flog him for a not-unreasonable £15m plus add-ons, until our Gallic genius got them down to a more realistic £7m

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Re: Charlie Adam - Sensible Discussion.
« Reply #483 on: March 6, 2012, 12:20:00 PM »
Yeah, but you're forgetting about Comolli's negotiating skills, it seems. Blackpool probably tried to flog him for a not-unreasonable £15m plus add-ons, until our Gallic genius got them down to a more realistic £7m
That's for a different thread really, and even though I know for a fact that Comolli's dealings with Ajax re. Suarez were clumsy and amateur, it didn't help that both Holloway (who had a financial interest in any sale price) and Oyston were being more than obstructive and twattish about the whole business, airing it in the media instead of professionally behind closed doors. It wasn't quite MON/Gareth Barry level, but not far off either. We should have just moved on to other better targets and quickly.
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Re: Charlie Adam - Sensible Discussion.
« Reply #484 on: March 6, 2012, 12:27:56 PM »
One good run and a lovely ball out to Kelly aside, that Arsenal footage is atrocious really.

There are a few harsh truths that kenny/Commolli need to face up to in the summer, and replacing Adam is one of them.
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Re: Charlie Adam - Sensible Discussion.
« Reply #485 on: March 6, 2012, 12:45:24 PM »
I have already shown that even before the season started, the club knew that Gerrard was out till September. They intended that he play instead of Gerrard - Henderson was meant to slot in from the start as proven by the number of matches that he has started despite being anonymous in so many of them. Henderson played from the start in the very first match of the season against Sunderland, and has played in 22 out of 26 matches so far.

So I reckon the evidence clearly shows that Dalglish meant to play the MF consisting of:-

Downing --- Adam --- Henderson
---------------Lucas

while alternating perhaps Adam or Henderson with Gerrard upon Gerrard's return, or even playing without Lucas in some more one sided matches. He never intended to play Henderson as a reserve until he was bedded in - and this is one of my major grievances against Dalglish, that he did not follow the Liverpool Way in doing so and Hnederson is clearly not ready and is suffering for it.





i don't think there is any evidence to back up your proposition to be fair. 

gerrard and lucas have been injured for most of the season and as a result charlie has played a lot more often would be closer to it for me.

I think most of his advocates actually realise this mate, hence the references to his 'confidence' as being one of his key attributes. But to concede it would knock down a main plank of their defence. Ignoring it also allows them to cite what is known in legal circles as The Leiva Precedent, whereby they pretend he's in a similar situation to the teenaged, scrawny Gremio starlet who found himself thrust into one of the best midfields in the world at the time, in the absence of one of its world-class performers, and prematurely and unfairly maligned. It's amusingly glib/tin-foil hat stuff.

i think his inconsistency on his previously excellent set pieces would be a key indicator of confidence as an issue.

charlie has gone from being the main man to part of a much bigger entity and i do think he will get better next season with better players around him.

lucas  - unlike henderson - did start out in the reserves where he excelled. 

he's played on and i'm grateful to see him playing the way i always thought he should.

plenty of other people on here didn't see the potential and indeed wrote him off as soon as he came into the first team.

I reckon we'll see the best out of all our players come the start of next season. Writing people off so early is nuts. We are a work in progress. We were nearly out of business, bust, relegated, in unsustainable debt with a bellend of a LMA English 'manager', two shithouse owners and permanent strife between the club,the owners and the fans at each others throats and in the shite last year. Look at how far we've come.

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Re: Charlie Adam - Sensible Discussion.
« Reply #486 on: March 6, 2012, 12:51:48 PM »
i don't think there is any evidence to back up your proposition to be fair. 

gerrard and lucas have been injured for most of the season and as a result charlie has played a lot more often would be closer to it for me.

i think his inconsistency on his previously excellent set pieces would be a key indicator of confidence as an issue.

charlie has gone from being the main man to part of a much bigger entity and i do think he will get better next season with better players around him.


I thought I have already shown that the club went all out to sign him and made it one of their top priorities. And that the club knew before the start of the season that gerrard was going to be out for a long time - so they meant Adam to be in the first team from the start. In fact they meant ALL the new signings to be in the first team from the start in defiance of the Liverpol way of gradually blooding the new recruits. I am not sure what does Lucas' injury have to do with Adam being meant to be a first team player - he was injured much later and well before then Adam was already clearly being played from the start as a first team starter.

Adam's loss of confidence is clear, but that is more likely because he knows that he is being found out at this higher level and that he is not as good as he thought he was.

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Re: Charlie Adam - Sensible Discussion.
« Reply #487 on: March 6, 2012, 12:55:10 PM »
lucas  - unlike henderson - did start out in the reserves where he excelled. 

he's played on and i'm grateful to see him playing the way i always thought he should.

plenty of other people on here didn't see the potential and indeed wrote him off as soon as he came into the first team.

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It has already been shown by many on this forum that comparisons between Lucas and Adam are spurious - Lucas was a 19 year old when he came in, new to the league etc. Adam is 6 years older at 25 and already has premiership experience. Lucas also showed exceptional promise from his first season with Gremio and became MVP of the entire league and captain of his team at his young age. Adam on the other hand was struggling when he joined Blackpool.

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Re: Charlie Adam - Sensible Discussion.
« Reply #488 on: March 6, 2012, 12:55:39 PM »
Not having that comparison mate, not at all. Already stated why...

And as for this...I thought we'd established that price should have nothing to do with expectations but is determined by a variety of factors, predominantly age, contractual status and competition. Bellamy on a free for example. We also spent best part of 9 months furiously trying to prise Adam from Blackpool's clutches, which isn't something you do for someone you don't expect more than 'realistic expectations' from.

well if i'm going to revise down my expectation - i thought charlie would be boss from the off - then i need some sort of justification.

our luis was £6m in 2004 and somedays he did, somedays he didn't but i love him all the same.

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Re: Charlie Adam - Sensible Discussion.
« Reply #489 on: March 6, 2012, 12:57:22 PM »

The only annoying thing is how Lucas is used in this. Apparently Charlie is not as good anymore because of Lucas' absence.
It's not just Charlie, you could practically label that against the entire team, however why is used more for Charlie than for the rest of the team?

By saying that you are just setting yourself up for the fall that Charlie has major deficiencies in his game and that he needs someone like Lucas to do extra dog work just to cover up those for him.

you see i think this is the heart of my defence for charlie.  he is NOT a complete midfielder but what he does he can do well.

all teams are supposed to be greater than the sum of their parts and a player like lucas would/should/could allow charlie to flourish.

indeed the same could be said for a few of our midfield new boys.

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Re: Charlie Adam - Sensible Discussion.
« Reply #490 on: March 6, 2012, 12:59:01 PM »

you dont pursue someone for that long, picking them up personally, basically doing the transfer himself to be a bit part player

why not?  even if he was bought as a starter - which he has been doing in a trophy winning season - all transfers don't work out perfectly.

to be fair to kenny he's given a lot of players a lift to and from the ground including our youth team players.

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Re: Charlie Adam - Sensible Discussion.
« Reply #491 on: March 6, 2012, 01:05:48 PM »
I counted only the cross from left flank that should have resulted in a goal. Which were the other two good chances he created?

The problem is that Charlie Adam is part of that wider malaise, a big part. If you watch again that compilation of his touches, notice the positions that he is taking up. He is nearer the centre circle than he is to the other side's box. He takes up exactly the same position that Alonso used to take up. He tries to spray the balls that Alonso used to spray (but not as well, of course). He tries to play in the through ball that will show him as a Riquelme. But he fails to move INTO the danger area himself and play one twos and encourage other players to get in there. Which was what I was veyr happy to see Aquilani play for us when he did, because that was what he did. If you play with him, you have to move. Give and go, and do it again and again till you prise opne the door.
 
Benitez signed Aquilani precisely to move the creative hub of his team into the last third of the pitch so that that will facilitate pass and move movement into the box and thus bring as many of our own players into the danger area. But Adam encourages the long range "passmaster in the back" kind of attitude and as a result the team skitters around on the outskirts of the other side's backline and tries to get in through throughballs and crosses instead.

Do you blame Suarez for trying to dribble his way in then? Typically only he and Kuyt ever get into the box. Carroll would be in the box allright, but he would be barely moving the way he should have been moving.

This is what I meant about appearances being deceiving - we look like we are creating a lot of chances and dominating - but we are still knocking on the outside of the other side's door.

aquillani is gone.  talking about what he might have brought to the team is about as useful as comparing adam to alonso.


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Re: Charlie Adam - Sensible Discussion.
« Reply #492 on: March 6, 2012, 01:05:57 PM »
Why are you still persisting in this myth that Adam was signed as a squad player? Only you and Fordy must believe in this piece of self-deception.

Here are some interesting links to refresh your memory:-

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/jul/30/steven-gerrard-charlie-adam-liverpool

Gerrard was injured before the start of the season, so Adam was always going to be played in Gerrard's place.

The club had pursued Adam for 6 months beforehand and when they were rebuffed they tried till they succeeded.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/14051735

This is what Dalglish said when he signed him:-


"But Liverpool reopened talks at the end of the season for a player who had only 12 months left on his contract - and manager Kenny Dalglish is delighted to have finally got his man.

He said: "We're delighted our patience has paid off.

"We tried to sign Charlie in January. Blackpool wanted to keep him, which is understandable because they were trying to maintain their status in the Premier League.

"Our interest never went away. Both the club and Charlie have been patient, and then Blackpool's circumstances changed because they were relegated.

"We're looking forward to Charlie being a success here. He made a huge contribution to Blackpool's team last year and we're looking forward to him making the same contribution here.
"We know what he's got and that's why he was such a success last year in the Premier League.""

Finally, Dalglish himself drove Adam to his medical:-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38AvLxrH9f4

Yeah, that's right - the manager always acts as chauffeur for players he signs as merely squad players...

If you actually believe what Comolli said in that Aquilani was sold because he plays in Gerrard's place (the same gerrard who, the club knew at the start of the season would be ruled out till at least September (and who was actually knocked out quite a bit longer in the end)), then I have an ex-Libyan/Nigerian minister with USD100 million to send to your bank account that I should refer to you for your help...

Aquilani was sold to lighten the wage list - a wage list that was going to be weighed down by Downing, Henderson and Adam's introduction - and because as a CM and AM, he plays in exactly the same position as Charlie Adam...

So can we finally give a rest to this myth that both geoffstrong and fordy seem determined to hold onto that Charlie Adam was supposedly signed as a squad player??? He was signed as a first team regular but has shown that he is clearly not the answer as one.

The only teller of myths is you unless you really think Kenny has planned his whole team around a 6-7 mill player that would be naive are you telling me Kenny is naive or stupid regarding football matters?  As for what Kenny said when have you heard any manager make an assessment of a new signing that  really wasnt over the top with a great positive spin.

In the end some people in here get an erection from slagging of players they enjoy it some try to use wit, some like you try to shout down anyone who thinks a player is worth a bit of commonsense and balanced assessment rather then hey it Charlie's week to be called shit. 

So what is it was Adam signed to play every week and leave out either Henderson, Stevie or Lucas not to mention Jay or was he bought as a reletively cheap squad player who played well last season?
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Re: Charlie Adam - Sensible Discussion.
« Reply #493 on: March 6, 2012, 01:06:12 PM »
you see i think this is the heart of my defence for charlie.  he is NOT a complete midfielder but what he does he can do well.

all teams are supposed to be greater than the sum of their parts and a player like lucas would/should/could allow charlie to flourish.

indeed the same could be said for a few of our midfield new boys.

He does lack a very important thing that is completely essential for a CM to work int he Liverpool way o fplaying - he is not a pass and move player in his head. Not the way Xabi, Gerrard, Lucas, Meireles, Aquilani, kuyt are.

 

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Re: Charlie Adam - Sensible Discussion.
« Reply #494 on: March 6, 2012, 01:06:51 PM »


Adam's loss of confidence is clear, but that is more likely because he knows that he is being found out at this higher level and that he is not as good as he thought he was.

so you agree he has had a loss of confidence?

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Re: Charlie Adam - Sensible Discussion.
« Reply #495 on: March 6, 2012, 01:07:20 PM »
aquillani is gone.  talking about what he might have brought to the team is about as useful as comparing adam to alonso.

I am using him to illustrate the quality that I believe Adam simply lacks and why he was the wrong signing for us.

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Re: Charlie Adam - Sensible Discussion.
« Reply #496 on: March 6, 2012, 01:07:45 PM »
so you agree he has had a loss of confidence?

That's what I said, right?

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Re: Charlie Adam - Sensible Discussion.
« Reply #497 on: March 6, 2012, 01:07:55 PM »
It has already been shown by many on this forum that comparisons between Lucas and Adam are spurious - Lucas was a 19 year old when he came in, new to the league etc. Adam is 6 years older at 25 and already has premiership experience. Lucas also showed exceptional promise from his first season with Gremio and became MVP of the entire league and captain of his team at his young age. Adam on the other hand was struggling when he joined Blackpool.

so what?  he's never played at liverpool.  its a massive step up.  there's nothing spurious about comparing two midfielders and their first year at the club.

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Re: Charlie Adam - Sensible Discussion.
« Reply #498 on: March 6, 2012, 01:09:44 PM »
He does lack a very important thing that is completely essential for a CM to work int he Liverpool way o fplaying - he is not a pass and move player in his head. Not the way Xabi, Gerrard, Lucas, Meireles, Aquilani, kuyt are.

 

xabi, meriles and aquilani aren't (at the club anymore).

gerrard and lucas have been injured all season and while dirk is a trier he will never be my poster boy for pass and move.


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Re: Charlie Adam - Sensible Discussion.
« Reply #499 on: March 6, 2012, 01:10:48 PM »
That's what I said, right?

indeed and i'm shining a light on your comment as i think i've been pretty clear in suggesting that charlie will do better when he is playing with more of it.

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Re: Charlie Adam - Sensible Discussion.
« Reply #500 on: March 6, 2012, 01:11:18 PM »
The only teller of myths is you unless you really think Kenny has planned his whole team around a 6-7 mill player that would be naive are you telling me Kenny is naive or stupid regarding football matters?  As for what Kenny said when have you heard any manager make an assessment of a new signing that  really wasnt over the top with a great positive spin.

In the end some people in here get an erection from slagging of players they enjoy it some try to use wit, some like you try to shout down anyone who thinks a player is worth a bit of commonsense and balanced assessment rather then hey it Charlie's week to be called shit. 

So what is it was Adam signed to play every week and leave out either Henderson, Stevie or Lucas not to mention Jay or was he bought as a reletively cheap squad player who played well last season?

Your abiltiy to pull the wool over your own eyes is amazing...Dalglish himself said that price is not a consideration to his selection of players with respect to Carroll, does he use different rules with respect to Adam?

I never said that Adam is a bad player. I am saying that he is a bad signing for Liverpool FC and he is not a good fit for our culture of the way we play football. He would be a marvellous signing for a typical midtable team or lower rung team though.

Adam was signed as a first team starter not to take Henderson, Gerrard or Lucas' place, but to play alongside them or alternating with Gerrard or Henderson. 

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Re: Charlie Adam - Sensible Discussion.
« Reply #501 on: March 6, 2012, 01:12:28 PM »
hes not a bad player. just not up to our standard. mascherano - alonso    vs henderson - adam.....what would you rather?

when we eventually get into the top four and get champions league footie, we will attract better players, who are european class not just mid tabled premier league class. but until then we have to do what we can with what we have.
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Re: Charlie Adam - Sensible Discussion.
« Reply #502 on: March 6, 2012, 01:12:57 PM »
xabi, meriles and aquilani aren't (at the club anymore).

gerrard and lucas have been injured all season and while dirk is a trier he will never be my poster boy for pass and move.

Look at the heat map where his movement and Henderson's movement was analysed. Suarez and gerrard play well with him because he is a pass an dmove player. He is a first choice player for the Dutch because he is a pass and move player. Do not allow your prejudice of his technical ability to mar your perception of who he really is - a very intelligent player who knows how to move and where to go on a pitch.

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Re: Charlie Adam - Sensible Discussion.
« Reply #503 on: March 6, 2012, 01:14:08 PM »
hes not a bad player. just not up to our standard. mascherano - alonso    vs henderson - adam.....what would you rather?

when we eventually get into the top four and get champions league footie, we will attract better players, who are european class not just mid tabled premier league class. but until then we have to do what we can with what we have.

We had two players better at pass and move than him imn the summer - both are now offloaded and he is here in their stead. We would have done better with them than signing him.

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Re: Charlie Adam - Sensible Discussion.
« Reply #504 on: March 6, 2012, 01:14:51 PM »
indeed and i'm shining a light on your comment as i think i've been pretty clear in suggesting that charlie will do better when he is playing with more of it.

How can he though when he lacks confidence precisely because he is not able to play our way as well as he though he would be able to?

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Re: Charlie Adam - Sensible Discussion.
« Reply #505 on: March 6, 2012, 01:15:28 PM »
Look at the heat map where his movement and Henderson's movement was analysed. Suarez and gerrard play well with him because he is a pass an dmove player. He is a first choice player for the Dutch because he is a pass and move player. Do not allow your prejudice of his technical ability to mar your perception of who he really is - a very intelligent player who knows how to move and where to go on a pitch.

Good explanation about Kuyt. He is able to fit into a team that suits that type of game, despite his limitations.
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Re: Charlie Adam - Sensible Discussion.
« Reply #506 on: March 6, 2012, 01:16:37 PM »
We had two players better at pass and move than him imn the summer - both are now offloaded and he is here in their stead. We would have done better with them than signing him.
thats out of our hands. if fans had an impact on transfers then football would be a totally different sport. as much as i love kenny, he has some flaws. just like every other man. but i do agree. aquilani raul gerrard hendo downing with suarez up top is mouth watering. thing is adam isnt like poulsen, fans dont largly hate him, nor do they want him out. so hes gunna be here for a long while.
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Re: Charlie Adam - Sensible Discussion.
« Reply #507 on: March 6, 2012, 01:18:49 PM »


Adam was signed as a first team starter not to take Henderson, Gerrard or Lucas' place, but to play alongside them or alternating with Gerrard or Henderson. 

'a first team starter who would alternate with gerrard and henderson' = 'squad player', no?

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Re: Charlie Adam - Sensible Discussion.
« Reply #508 on: March 6, 2012, 01:19:34 PM »
The only teller of myths is you unless you really think Kenny has planned his whole team around a 6-7 mill player that would be naive are you telling me Kenny is naive or stupid regarding football matters?  As for what Kenny said when have you heard any manager make an assessment of a new signing that  really wasnt over the top with a great positive spin.

Yes, I do honestly believe that Kenny bought a £7m (and potentially overpriced at that) journeyman player from Blackpool to use as a fulcrum of his team's midfield. Like how he bought a £35m Big Lad of the likes not seen in earnest since the 1980s, or at a stretch early 90s, to act as the focal point of the attack of a club with top 4 aspirations and which was regularly reaching Champions League finals and semi finals only a few short years back. The reason I believe this is because the evidence points to it. That is just one part of the reason why I don't revere him in his capacity as a modern football manager (different story as a player and old-school player manager, that goes without saying) and think he was and is the wrong appointment.

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Re: Charlie Adam - Sensible Discussion.
« Reply #509 on: March 6, 2012, 01:20:04 PM »
Look at the heat map where his movement and Henderson's movement was analysed. Suarez and gerrard play well with him because he is a pass an dmove player. He is a first choice player for the Dutch because he is a pass and move player. Do not allow your prejudice of his technical ability to mar your perception of who he really is - a very intelligent player who knows how to move and where to go on a pitch.

i agree dirk is an intelligent player and his running off the ball is very good but i do question his touch and definitely think he can be improved.


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Re: Charlie Adam - Sensible Discussion.
« Reply #510 on: March 6, 2012, 01:21:00 PM »
We had two players better at pass and move than him imn the summer - both are now offloaded and he is here in their stead. We would have done better with them than signing him.

we had two players worse than him this summer now gladly offloaded in poulsen and cole.

if you add in the wages saved on aquillani you open a whole new can of worms ;D

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Re: Charlie Adam - Sensible Discussion.
« Reply #511 on: March 6, 2012, 01:21:23 PM »
How can he though when he lacks confidence precisely because he is not able to play our way as well as he though he would be able to?

which came first?  chicken or the egg?

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Re: Charlie Adam - Sensible Discussion.
« Reply #512 on: March 6, 2012, 01:35:09 PM »
One good run and a lovely ball out to Kelly aside, that Arsenal footage is atrocious really.

There are a few harsh truths that kenny/Commolli need to face up to in the summer, and replacing Adam is one of them.


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Re: Charlie Adam - Sensible Discussion.
« Reply #513 on: March 6, 2012, 01:42:14 PM »
You're right. Having a squad is stupid.

Don't jump to conclusions now, Andrew. I think most people agree he isn't necessarily the worst option in the world as a squad player of last resort or potentially as a substitute when a more direct solution might help a desperate situation.

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Re: Charlie Adam - Sensible Discussion.
« Reply #514 on: March 6, 2012, 01:47:42 PM »
just popping in to say that Fordy has made possibly the two worst serious posts of the season

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Re: Charlie Adam - Sensible Discussion.
« Reply #515 on: March 6, 2012, 02:01:52 PM »
xabi, meriles and aquilani aren't (at the club anymore).
Aquilani is still an employee of Liverpool FC. For now at least.

while dirk is a trier he will never be my poster boy for pass and move.
No arguments from me on that score ;D
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Re: Charlie Adam - Sensible Discussion.
« Reply #516 on: March 6, 2012, 02:15:41 PM »
Aquilani is still an employee of Liverpool FC. For now at least.
No arguments from me on that score ;D

he may well be back with us next season at this rate - he's injured again and therefore might not activate his transfer clause.

not one of our best pieces of business despite his undoubted ability.

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Re: Charlie Adam - Sensible Discussion.
« Reply #517 on: March 6, 2012, 02:19:16 PM »
all charlie adam's touches against arsenal  :butt  (credit to @kLFCreds)

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i lost count to how many times he lost the ball or fell over lol

Love how he slaps Arteta in the face in the build up to our best move of the game. Dirty but effective.

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Re: Charlie Adam - Sensible Discussion.
« Reply #518 on: March 6, 2012, 02:44:01 PM »
Love how he slaps Arteta in the face in the build up to our best move of the game. Dirty but effective.
So I guess you're out on day-release again...::)

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Re: Charlie Adam - Sensible Discussion.
« Reply #519 on: March 6, 2012, 03:01:36 PM »
We had two players better at pass and move than him imn the summer - both are now offloaded and he is here in their stead. We would have done better with them than signing him.
Ifs, buts, and maybes. They are the past.
Like it or not (hmm, not sure where you stand  ;)) Adam didn't force M+A to be sold.
The irony being if Aquilani doesn't play through poor form and/or injuries he gets to come back. And prove that the grass is definitely not greener.