Topic: Charlie Adam - Sensible Discussion.

[charlieadam]

I think hes got good vision for a long ball out wide but when hes attcking the box he never passes the ball and always scuffs his shot, always. He needs to improve a lot, he is slow at times but his qualitys balance out his negatives, but i dont think thats good enough.

[geoffstrong]

oh the joy just what we needed another Adam thread to keep the whoppers occupied,

 so happy I have the OP with sore fingers on ignore yesterday,

 the way the sheep followed him in here he should change his name to Lassie.

[Cusamano]

To put it as politely as i possibly can, he is shockingly average.

[JamesLS7]

oh the joy just what we needed another Adam thread to keep the whoppers occupied,

 so happy I have the OP with sore fingers on ignore yesterday,

 the way the sheep followed him in here he should change his name to Lassie.

If those coming into discuss the topic are whoopers, then what does it make you coming in to bitch about people have an opinion.

[-Willo-]

He tackles like an 8 year old I swear, to save time, we should just stop play and automatically award the opposition a free kick every time they have the ball and Adam is within 5 yard of the player with it.

[drpepe]

with a behemoth of CM plus lucas on the pitch i think his and gerrards' inadequacies in CM would be minimised and their attacking talent maximised.

Not a desperately bad player and if we get him in the right positions he will produce.

Feels like the whole squad is running on empty/frustration/lack of ideas

[subroc]

He's not very alert and aware of the others' positions for a CM. Very much a head down player when he runs with the ball, and a `stop the ball and look around for who to pass to' when he does have the ball.

For those calling him a squad player - if he is not good enough to be a first team player, he is not going to be able to do a great job if he is called upon to replace the first team player, is he? The squad player has to be able to do what the 1st team player can do - maybe not as well, but at least do it to a good degree.

[subroc]

with a behemoth of CM plus lucas on the pitch i think his and gerrards' inadequacies in CM would be minimised and their attacking talent maximised.

Not a desperately bad player and if we get him in the right positions he will produce.

Feels like the whole squad is running on empty/frustration/lack of ideas

So we sign another CM just to be able to play this "squad" player in the team? Woudn't a better solution be to sell him and sign a better CM who does not need a nursemaid to help him play at his best?

[Zawsze Red!]

Charlie Adam is very limited player, this is player Liverpool 5 years before is not buying, this is player for Everton, ordinary nothing specially player. He would do well is Polish League I think lol but is not Liverpool player, all can see this.  Movement is very slow also slow thinking not in front of game but always is surprised by what is happening.  Also is fat, maybe because Scottish?

[Percito]

with a behemoth of CM plus lucas on the pitch i think his and gerrards' inadequacies in CM would be minimised and their attacking talent maximised.

Not a desperately bad player and if we get him in the right positions he will produce.

Feels like the whole squad is running on empty/frustration/lack of ideas

You're right, he isn't desperately poor. But he is pretty bereft of vision and he isn't good enough in an attacking capacity to warrant using two defensive midfielders to cosset him and make up for his defensive deficiencies just so he can do his thing whilst being protected and relieved of defensive work. The reason being he isn't very good, for the avoidance of doubt. I'm happy to set up like that to get the best out of a mercurial superstar playmaker who is poor defensively, a la Ozil. Not for our deep-fried Glaswegian, sadly.

[WooltonDave]

Adam was, is and always will be not good enough.

Adam is a repeat of Kenny's Jimmy Carter signing 

to be honest, all of "Kenny's" signings this time round are suspect........and this time he has spent far too much on these suspect players <not counting Suarez because he was already coming>.

Adam - utter garbage and a total waste of a shirt in the middle of the park
Downing - everyone knew this wasn't the right signing for the money except Kenny it seems despite some improved performances of late.
Henderson - hasn't set the world on fire but still shows promise. Should be given a go in his favoured position in the middle of the park instead of keeping with this Adam fella.
Carroll - Panic buy, pants pulled down, a huge gamble that isn't bearing fruits. Can't even get in the team half the time so why waste the money on him if he isn't going to play? Kenny has me baffled here.
Enrique - his only success I'd say although he still let us down in the Cup Final and against Arsenal for his casual closing down. Needs a kick up the arse to wake up a bit recently.

[Enemy]

He's not half as good as he thinks he is. I think he sees skillful players like Suarez round him and thinks he's capable of beating players too, the problem comes when he can't and ends up giving the ball away. He has some positive attributes but skill and selflessness are not among them.

[drpepe]

You're right, he isn't desperately poor. But he is pretty bereft of vision and he isn't good enough in an attacking capacity to warrant using two defensive midfielders to cosset him and make up for his defensive deficiencies just so he can do his thing whilst being protected and relieved of defensive work. The reason being he isn't very good, for the avoidance of doubt. I'm happy to set up like that to get the best out of a mercurial superstar playmaker who is poor defensively, a la Ozil. Not for our deep-fried Glaswegian, sadly.

Aye, agree he is a squad player, that's why I mentioned Gerrard too. Think that setup will benefit any mercurial AM by relieving them of defensive responsibilities and giving us a platform

[BURNA]

He's a good player.

Just like Lucas Leiva was a good player amongst all of the slagging off on here for two years. It's a team game for fucks sake, those that matter know this. Those that realise that players are not like car engine parts know this.

There is not much wrong at Liverpool and believe it or not, the future is looking good.

Threads like this are non productive. Just like most of the uneducated shit i read on here. There is only a handful of people who actually know what they are talking about on this forum. I'm glad i have their views to read instead of this bollocks.

[jaffod]

No worse than the other crabs we bought pre-season to weaken our midfield.

[Percito]

Aye, agree he is a squad player, that's why I mentioned Gerrard too. Think that setup will benefit any mercurial AM by relieving them of defensive responsibilities and giving us a platform

Agree with this. I'd probably seek to minimise the amount of lung-busting high impact/intensity stuff that Gerrard has to do as well, for obvious reasons.

[subroc]

He's a good player.

Just like Lucas Leiva was a good player amongst all of the slagging off on here for two years. It's a team game for fucks sake, those that matter know this. Those that realise that players are not like car engine parts know this.

There is not much wrong at Liverpool and believe it or not, the future is looking good.

Threads like this are non productive. Just like most of the uneducated shit i read on here. There is only a handful of people who actually know what they are talking about on this forum. I'm glad i have their views to read instead of this bollocks.

A good team is also the sum of its parts. Good managers ruthlessly improve their teams and replace players who are past their selll by date with better and younger players.

You are IMHO incorrect to liken Lucas with Adam - many of those who do not think that Adam shoul dhave been signed supported Lucas from the beginning. Lucas clearly had the quality to be exceptional from the beginning. There was even a more objective verification in his team making him their captain at a tender age and being the player of the year in Brazil.

The team is all right in its defence. But from every position ahead of Lucas, the team needs to be improved - we need a better winger, a playmaking AM of quality and a striker who can score goals prolifically. There is also a lack of movement into the box - the pass an dmove takes place typically far from the box. Lucas needs a credible understudy.

Posts that agree with your viewpoint may not be particularly intelligent if your own viewpoint is misguided. However, having the self-confirming bias will cut you off from other, better viewpoints. So continue to read even what you think is rubbish - you may be surprised...

[Percito]

He's a good player.

Just like Lucas Leiva was a good player amongst all of the slagging off on here for two years. It's a team game for fucks sake, those that matter know this. Those that realise that players are not like car engine parts know this.

There is not much wrong at Liverpool and believe it or not, the future is looking good.

Threads like this are non productive. Just like most of the uneducated shit i read on here. There is only a handful of people who actually know what they are talking about on this forum. I'm glad i have their views to read instead of this bollocks.

Are you a 'GeoffStrong' alter ego? Fiver says you are. The happy-clapping stuff is incredibly tedious really (no doubt you'll characterise the people debating on here as 'whingers and moaners' now, in response).

And, as you may or may not realise, it's beyond absurd to compare a young Brazilian player coming straight from Gremio aged what, 19? to a 26 year old journeyman Scot who in 2011 was playing for Blackpool at what was the hitherto apex of his career. He was never going to develop beyond his then level, and he isn't now. That much is obvious to pretty much anyone.

Leiva clearly had qualities that could be honed and adapted, despite a number of poor early performances and his rash decision-making/poor discipline. Xarlie did not, and does not. End, really.

[Rohit]

A playmaker that actually does very little playmaking, never thought I'd say that. He seems to suffer from tunnel vision which is unacceptable considering how many times he does aswell. Can't tackle to save his life and most of his tackles are actually dangerous. Can't really keep the ball well and loves to hit punts out to the wings that just aren't on when keep the ball would be the better option. Had a decent first half yesterday but god knows what happened after half time. He also, plays blind pass after blind pass putting his team in danger which also hard to watch.

It's all well and good saying he was doing fine with lucas but we were still getting overrun by teams and lucas was essentially doing the job of a whole central midfield and he was tasked with keeping our passing flowing. Its obvious he has a final pass but he tries it far too many times when it isn't on. FYI this isn't being whopper its just observations you pick up from watching adam and nor isit scapegoating just because it isn't positive.

He played for a team where he had more time on the ball until january where teams pressed him and his form went down hill and he had two players do his running for him. You also have to remember what holloway said in that charlie needs to try more long passes. Sorry that isn't what you do for a club with ambitions, our style of play involves keeping the ball and looking for an opening and not needlessly giving the ball away putting us under pressure.

Think kenny needs to start playing henderson and spearing more in midfield till the end of the season, both are better at passing than adam and working without the ball.

Also, before someone decides to bring up lucas as giving him time. Lucas was a 19 year old kid when he came to us and just won the best player in brazil award. Adam is 26 and the peak of his years the two aren't comparable at all. Also, lucas's problems where physical and dealing with a new enviroment aswell maturing as a player again not comparable.

[Cusamano]

He's a good player.

Just like Lucas Leiva was a good player amongst all of the slagging off on here for two years. It's a team game for fucks sake, those that matter know this. Those that realise that players are not like car engine parts know this.

There is not much wrong at Liverpool and believe it or not, the future is looking good.

Threads like this are non productive. Just like most of the uneducated shit i read on here. There is only a handful of people who actually know what they are talking about on this forum. I'm glad i have their views to read instead of this bollocks.

Your the opposite of a doom monger and both are just as tedious as eachother.

[Zeb]

Are you a 'GeoffStrong' alter ego? Fiver says you are. The happy-clapping stuff is incredibly tedious really (no doubt you'll characterise the people debating on here as 'whingers and moaners' now, in response).

The tedious whining, whinging, utterly bereft of proportion, totally lacking in any analysis, hyperbolic bollocks a lot of new posters have been putting on the site is going to annoy others who have what you might call a more mature and balanced perspective. There'll be differences of opinion, there may even be analysis somewhere, but this is just scapegoating and moronic abuse of one of our players. Oh, has anyone told you how amazingly witty and intelligent you seem beginning Charlie with an 'X'? No? Oh well, lost on us, eh?

Just something to consider... we bossed that game yesterday. Should have won comfortably. And, yeah, that was that shite player called Charlie Adam in there doing that. What's going on there then?

[smurfinaus]

The guy isnt quick enough nor incisive enough with his short passing game to be called creative. His long passes (and formerly his setpieces) is his only real positive.

[geoffstrong]

The tedious whining, whinging, utterly bereft of proportion, totally lacking in any analysis, hyperbolic bollocks a lot of new posters have been putting on the site is going to annoy others who have what you might call a more mature and balanced perspective. There'll be differences of opinion, there may even be analysis somewhere, but this is just scapegoating and moronic abuse of one of our players. Oh, has anyone told you how amazingly witty and intelligent you seem beginning Charlie with an 'X'? No? Oh well, lost on us, eh?

Just something to consider... we bossed that game yesterday. Should have won comfortably. And, yeah, that was that shite player called Charlie Adam in there doing that. What's going on there then?

Lets leave them to it!

[-RedTilDead-]

Adam was, is and always will be not good enough.

Adam is a repeat of Kenny's Jimmy Carter signing 

to be honest, all of "Kenny's" signings this time round are suspect........and this time he has spent far too much on these suspect players <not counting Suarez because he was already coming>.

Adam - utter garbage and a total waste of a shirt in the middle of the park
Downing - everyone knew this wasn't the right signing for the money except Kenny it seems despite some improved performances of late.
Henderson - hasn't set the world on fire but still shows promise. Should be given a go in his favoured position in the middle of the park instead of keeping with this Adam fella.
Carroll - Panic buy, pants pulled down, a huge gamble that isn't bearing fruits. Can't even get in the team half the time so why waste the money on him if he isn't going to play? Kenny has me baffled here.
Enrique - his only success I'd say although he still let us down in the Cup Final and against Arsenal for his casual closing down. Needs a kick up the arse to wake up a bit recently.

Why would you describe one of our own as "utter garbage" ? Are you one of those who shouts abuse at our players throughout the match? If your son played badly for his team would you call him utter garbage and a waste of a shirt too?

If like most people, you don't think Adam is going to be a good enough player in the long term, why don't you post some analysis or propose what we do about it? All you have posted there is offensive attacks on our players, and on our manager,  who you apparently think is the only person who could not see that Downing was a bad buy.  By the sounds of it you would rather Kenny stepped down, as he continues to baffle your obviously more advanced football brain.

I also have my doubts about Adam. I expected him to up his fitness and his tempo to suit the football we want to play. Blackpool play attacking and positive football but it is not at the same level.  He needs to be part of creative faster moving football higher up the pitch if he wants to succeed.  He is off the pace quite often and looks to be denting his confidence.  I think he is hoping for a eureka moment/game when he pulls off a series of wonderful cutting passes, or curls in a couple of free kicks or someone converts his fizzed in corners.  Then everyone will shout "Yes! that's the real Charlie Adam right there".  But it hasn't happened yet.  It is clear that he does have a good eye for attack, but it is also becoming clear that he has a comfort zone and he either isn't able to, or isn't willing to come out of it.

[Matt8Pie]

Did you have a bit more trouble than the other kids reading and doing sums in class at school when you were younger? Just looking at a few of your previous posts, and was genuinely curious?

I like you, I hope you stay.


Charlie Adam may play for Liverpool but he is not a Liverpool player, never has been and never will be.

[Cadno]

Charlie Adam, the Roy Hodgson of the Liverpool midfield

[Percito]

The tedious whining, whinging, utterly bereft of proportion, totally lacking in any analysis, hyperbolic bollocks a lot of new posters have been putting on the site is going to annoy others who have what you might call a more mature and balanced perspective. There'll be differences of opinion, there may even be analysis somewhere, but this is just scapegoating and moronic abuse of one of our players. Oh, has anyone told you how amazingly witty and intelligent you seem beginning Charlie with an 'X'? No? Oh well, lost on us, eh?

Just something to consider... we bossed that game yesterday. Should have won comfortably. And, yeah, that was that shite player called Charlie Adam in there doing that. What's going on there then?

Are you going to point to where I've made a hyperbolic statement about Adam? I've said that he's a not-especially-dreadful journeyman, whose attacking 'qualities' aren't pronounced enough to warrant setting up a midfield to accommodate his lack of mobility and poor defensive positioning and tackling. This is hardly 'OMG He's SHITW LOL WORST PLAYER EVER TO PUT ON THE SHIRT LOL!' stuff, is it?

As for the Arsenal game, that is one of the poorest teams I've seen us play against in quite a long while, the goalkeeper and Van Persie aside. The midfield is incredibly weak and the defence porous - talking of which, young Charles had quite a few opportunities to split it (Henderson through on goal in the second half) but fluffed it due to what can only be described as a lack of innate vision and awareness. He won't be starting games next season, assuming he's still here.

[Rohit]

Please leave the name calling out of this thread or it will only be locked again.

[WooltonDave]

Why would you describe one of our own as "utter garbage" ? Are you one of those who shouts abuse at our players throughout the match? If your son played badly for his team would you call him utter garbage and a waste of a shirt too? I think this is a little over dramatic and completely irrelevant to the topic don't you?
In any case certainly not. 100% support at the game............entitled to form an opinion after it. He is "not very good", or at least not good enough for us as you go on to agree with below

If like most people, you don't think Adam is going to be a good enough player in the long term, why don't you post some analysis or propose what we do about it? I did........I said drop him and put Henderson there in his favoured position. Did you not read that or are you simply jumping up and down looking for a tinternet fight? All you have posted there is offensive attacks on our players, and on our manager,  I think you should read it again    who you apparently think is the only person who could not see that Downing was a bad buy. So I take it you didn't see that either? That makes two so far then.  By the sounds of it you would rather Kenny stepped down, as he continues to baffle your obviously more advanced football brain. I didn't say he should step down nor did I proclaim to have a "more advanced football brain". You should really learn to read in context.

I also have my doubts about Adam. I expected him to up his fitness and his tempo to suit the football we want to play. Blackpool play attacking and positive football but it is not at the same level.  He needs to be part of creative faster moving football higher up the pitch if he wants to succeed.  He is off the pace quite often and looks to be denting his confidence.  I think he is hoping for a eureka moment/game when he pulls off a series of wonderful cutting passes, or curls in a couple of free kicks or someone converts his fizzed in corners.  Then everyone will shout "Yes! that's the real Charlie Adam right there".  But it hasn't happened yet.  It is clear that he does have a good eye for attack, but it is also becoming clear that he has a comfort zone and he either isn't able to, or isn't willing to come out of it. Eloquently put...........I wish I said that.

Calm down lad. We are missing Lucas to get Adam out of the shit he creates for himself all the time.

[Rafa_La]

Charlie Adam, the Roy Hodgson of the Liverpool midfield

Incorrect. Poulsen was that.

[-RedTilDead-]

Calm down lad. We are missing Lucas to get Adam out of the shit he creates for himself all the time.

We are certainly missing Lucas; I agree with you there.  I also agree with you that Henderson in the middle could bear more fruit but it could be quite a while until Henderson is mature enough. I would very much like to see a Lucas and Henderson partnership start to blossom next season.

[The G in Gerrard]

Part of the reason he's struggling is because he doesn't get the time on the ball he had when at Blackpool, so he rushes into most things he does and he really lacks confidence

[Cpt_Reina]

Part of the reason he's struggling is because he doesn't get the time on the ball he had when at Blackpool, so he rushes into most things he does and he really lacks confidence

If there's one thing Charlie Adam lacks it's not confidence.

[The G in Gerrard]

If there's one thing Charlie Adam lacks it's not confidence.

Don't know him personally but on pitch he often goes hiding. He doesn't demand the ball from other players.

[Cpt_Reina]

Don't know him personally but on pitch he often goes hiding. He doesn't demand the ball from other players.

He could do to have a lot less confidence if you ask me.

The times he doesnt play someone in and goes himself is chronic. As the the amount of times he backs himself to play those ridiculous passes.

The way he picked up the ball for the penalty and pointed to himself after that miss last week is not a man short on confidence.

[wah00ey]

The tedious whining, whinging, utterly bereft of proportion, totally lacking in any analysis, hyperbolic bollocks a lot of new posters have been putting on the site is going to annoy others who have what you might call a more mature and balanced perspective. There'll be differences of opinion, there may even be analysis somewhere, but this is just scapegoating and moronic abuse of one of our players. Oh, has anyone told you how amazingly witty and intelligent you seem beginning Charlie with an 'X'? No? Oh well, lost on us, eh?

Just something to consider... we bossed that game yesterday. Should have won comfortably. And, yeah, that was that shite player called Charlie Adam in there doing that. What's going on there then?

Can I be in your gang?  As I've posted earlier, he was good yesterday, certainly in the first half.  Some wonderful touches.  Made a few wrong decisions in the second half, mind, but I thought he had a good game overall.  I also suspect we played better than we might have done with Stevie in the side but I'll get a ton of abuse for suggesting that (Stevie's not fit in my book at the moment and we suffer for it when he does play).

[Bob Loblaw]

We bought him off the back of a season where he played, and flourished as an attacking midfielder. Yet he's been our starting cm all season, which is completely fucking bonkers really. Can only imagine he's a stop gap, but i wouldn't be so sure, as Kenny seems to love him.

[PIPA23]

i think he would be more suited to play as AM

[The G in Gerrard]

The times he doesnt play someone in and goes himself is chronic. As the the amount of times he backs himself to play those ridiculous passes.

The way he picked up the ball for the penalty and pointed to himself after that miss last week is not a man short on confidence.

He does more often than not, get into the attacking third and has no idea what to do. His pass for Johnson at Chelsea away doesn't seem like it's the norm, he waits for a challenge and tries to get a free kick rather than pass.

I was shocked when he wanted to take the penalty, there's probably half a dozen players that should be ahead of him when it comes to spot kicks

[SheffieldRed]

I'm sure it's been highlighted elsewhere, but give him the ball, space and no pressure and he can deliver a beautifully weighted pass over 40 yards, as he demonstrated occasionally yesterday. Sadly, give him the ball when he's moderately under pressure and you can guarantee he'll either

a. try a one touch pass which do anything other than find a red shirt, or
b. he'll put his head down and try to run with the ball, which will result in him trying to pass - which is has consistently proved he cannot do whilst running, or try to take someone on, which he has also consistently proved he cannot do.

Do those few precious moments when he's not under pressure, when he can look up and spot a pass warrant inclusion in the first 11?