Topic: Jordan Henderson

[Hazell]

Think it was against Everton where he did same for Suarez. It's only getting to get better the more confidence he gets. I didn't realise keeping the ball was a bad thing btw.

The difference is that Henderson doesn't do it if he doesn't think he'll make it and would retain possession than try something that doesn't have much chance of coming off. People call that playing safe but we can't have 11 players trying to be Roy of the Rovers because it doesn't work. It's called being smart. There have been examples when he has done it and it well because he's got the ability to weight those passes perfectly (Bolton at Anfield, Eastlands, Chelsea in the League Cup with the latter 2 being perfectly weighted).

[Rafas the man]

Who are they?

In terms of in the summer, you look at Cabaye at Newcastle, would have been a far better player, Tiote also already at Newcastle, would have cost less than Henderson. Sahin went from Dortmund for £8m or so. If you want to stay British then look at McCarthy at Wigan, fantastic player who I believe is better than Henderson. That is 4 just off the top of my head. Maybe Sahin is a bit unrealistic, but the other 3 would have been easily gettable with sufficient backing.

[rusty-la]

How many posts a day do you deliver into this thread saying the same thing?.

"Hendos crap, will never make it, was always shite, not good enough for the shirt..etc."

You've made your point.  Why do you keep coming in here saying the same thing, again and again.

Just waiting for Auralins response..

[The G in Gerrard]

The difference is that Henderson doesn't do it if he doesn't think he'll make it and would retain possession than try something that doesn't have much chance of coming off. People call that playing safe but we can't have 11 players trying to be Roy of the Rovers because it doesn't work. It's called being smart. There have been examples when he has done it and it well because he's got the ability to weight those passes perfectly (Bolton at Anfield, Eastlands, Chelsea in the League Cup with the latter 2 being perfectly weighted).

Yep I agree. Adam hasn't a clue and tries it more often than not it leads to a goal kick.

[MassDriver]

The difference is that Henderson doesn't do it if he doesn't think he'll make it and would retain possession than try something that doesn't have much chance of coming off. People call that playing safe but we can't have 11 players trying to be Roy of the Rovers because it doesn't work. It's called being smart. There have been examples when he has done it and it well because he's got the ability to weight those passes perfectly (Bolton at Anfield, Eastlands, Chelsea in the League Cup with the latter 2 being perfectly weighted).

Today his role demanded him to be 'safe' with his play and retain the ball to pass it on to the likes of Gerrard , Shelvey and Downing. He did that job and used the ball well to recycle possession.

[KoncheskysMum]

In terms of in the summer, you look at Cabaye at Newcastle, would have been a far better player, Tiote also already at Newcastle, would have cost less than Henderson. Sahin went from Dortmund for £8m or so. If you want to stay British then look at McCarthy at Wigan, fantastic player who I believe is better than Henderson. That is 4 just off the top of my head. Maybe Sahin is a bit unrealistic, but the other 3 would have been easily gettable with sufficient backing.

and btw, i do agree that McCarthy is a fantastic player...but what makes you believe that he will  be the same player he was is on wigan than liverpool?

how much of henderson did you watch on sunderland? and please be honest because I respect your opinion.

[suredross]

Excellent workrate...works tirelessly for the team and covers for other players when they are out of position. With him and Shelvey (not forgetting Spearing for some defensive cover), our team has some great promise!

[Hazell]

Today his role demanded him to be 'safe' with his play and retain the ball to pass it on to the likes of Gerrard , Shelvey and Downing. He did that job and used the ball well to recycle possession.

Well he does that all the time.

[El_Pistolero]

In terms of in the summer, you look at Cabaye at Newcastle, would have been a far better player, Tiote also already at Newcastle, would have cost less than Henderson. Sahin went from Dortmund for £8m or so. If you want to stay British then look at McCarthy at Wigan, fantastic player who I believe is better than Henderson. That is 4 just off the top of my head. Maybe Sahin is a bit unrealistic, but the other 3 would have been easily gettable with sufficient backing.

Cabaye was a steal at £4m and is probably the only one on their who does anything like Henderson does from those you've mentioned. Now factor into the equation that Cabaye is a good 4-years older than Henderson...

Tiote is a defensive mid, Sahin is more alonso than anything else and McCarthy, again, is more of a defensive mid than Henderson. You're not going to get the offensive penatration that Henderson gives you (quiet, aurelian!) from Tiote and McCarthy and you aren't going to get the precision and recycling of possession from Sahin.

I could be miles wrong on Sahin by the way, it's been a good while since I've seen him!

[Rafas the man]

can't you just get behind the club and the lad for a minute instead of focusing on other clubs' signings?

You serious? I have said 4 or 5 times in this discussion that I would love Jordan to prove me wrong and show that he is good enough. I was ASKED by others to name players who I felt would have been better, but we have Jordan and I get behind him every single game and support him. Now that is hardly 'focusing' on any other clubs signings.

[liverpoolfcmike]

Go on then, name 'em.

Ever Banega.

I think the commentator on my stream summed it up well today. He said that he wasn't sure exactly what Henderson is really excellent at and I think I agree with him. He's a solid player, but he's not creative. He makes good runs occasionally, but not often enough. He neither attacks nor defends. He's a good passer of the ball but not special. He links the play, but quite often he gives the ball to early and the play doesn't really progress at all.

I do think he has a lot of potential, but I don't really feel that his strengths are being played to in the current side.

[LuisLFC]

can't you just get behind the club and the lad for a minute instead of focusing on other clubs' signings?

Get off his back, he was asked the question and answered you quim.

[MassDriver]

Well he does that all the time.

Thats not always his role though, that is the problem. I have no issues if he plays like he did today if he is playing that role of the 'recycler' in midfield.

It becomes an issue when he is playing in a more attacking role with the onus to create. Then his economy with the ball becomes more of a liability than an asset.

Which also makes me think that he could probably go on to play the 'Lucas role' in the future sometime , but only if he adds a lot of defensive ability to his overall game.

[cptrios]

can't you just get behind the club and the lad for a minute instead of focusing on other clubs' signings?

Can't you see? If he, aurelian, fordy, et al wish hard enough and post often enough, their thoughtwaves will travel backward through time and convince Kenny and Comolli to take a pass on Henderson.

[Rafas the man]

Cabaye was a steal at £4m and is probably the only one on their who does anything like Henderson does from those you've mentioned. Now factor into the equation that Cabaye is a good 4-years older than Henderson...

Tiote is a defensive mid, Sahin is more alonso than anything else and McCarthy, again, is more of a defensive mid than Henderson. You're not going to get the offensive penatration that Henderson gives you (quiet, aurelian!) from Tiote and McCarthy and you aren't going to get the precision and recycling of possession from Sahin.

I could be miles wrong on Sahin by the way, it's been a good while since I've seen him!

From what I have seen and heard about Sahin he is a lot like Xabi as you say, but is also more than capable of getting forward and having an impact on attacking play. Hopefully Jordan can have a strong finish to the season and continue to progress and hopefully get a bit more confidence

[El_Pistolero]

Today his role demanded him to be 'safe' with his play and retain the ball to pass it on to the likes of Gerrard , Shelvey and Downing. He did that job and used the ball well to recycle possession.

The usual then? 

[KoncheskysMum]

liverpool supporters calling eachother quims...i said i respected his opinion...what is wrong with you guys?

[El_Pistolero]

Thats not always his role though, that is the problem. I have no issues if he plays like he did today if he is playing that role of the 'recycler' in midfield.

So why don't you say that instead of slating him for being average?

'Kin hell.

[aurelian]

He's even doing it in the Shelvey thread. I actually dig plenty of aurelian's other posts (been really good with videos lately), but he's another one of these guys who has it out for Henderson no matter what happens. It's like the opposite of white-knighting. Black-knighting?

I think Shelvey offers more than Henderson does.  I don't even think it's close.  Is that a crime? 

Whatever Henderson does, Jonjo can do, and yet most of what Jonjo can do, Henderson can't.

[KoncheskysMum]

Get off his back, he was asked the question and answered you quim.

and who said I was on his back? thanks for jumping to conclusions mate.

[Rafas the man]

liverpool supporters calling eachother quims...i said i respected his opinion...what is wrong with you guys?

You accused me of not getting behind our players and focusing on other teams signings, when it is clear I was doing neither. I was asked who I felt would have been a better buy, so I answered. I haven't slated Jordan at all, just voiced my opinion that personally, I don't share the faith in him that others seem to have. I hope in a few years I have to eat my words

[KoncheskysMum]

next time, give me a few minutes to add a second response mate...it's the fucking internet.

[Evans]

Ever Banega.

I think the commentator on my stream summed it up well today. He said that he wasn't sure exactly what Henderson is really excellent at and I think I agree with him. He's a solid player, but he's not creative. He makes good runs occasionally, but not often enough. He neither attacks nor defends. He's a good passer of the ball but not special. He links the play, but quite often he gives the ball to early and the play doesn't really progress at all.

I do think he has a lot of potential, but I don't really feel that his strengths are being played to in the current side.

Well this is why people aren't appreciating him, they're just looking for flash and not fire. He's a CM, he's young, he links the play and moves the ball quickly = an excellent guy to have in front of Lucas and behind the attack for years to come. Hopefully. I'm not gonna claimed he's destined for the stars, but he sure looks good, if you know what to look for.

[Rafas the man]

next time, give me a few minutes to add a second response mate...it's the fucking internet.

Chill.

[MassDriver]

So why don't you say that instead of slating him for being average?

'Kin hell.

Slating him?

I'd advise you to go though my posts again. I made criticisms but tried to back em up with facts.

If you want to see 'slating' , go into the Spearing thread. Many of the same posters from this thread, hypocritically enough.

[KoncheskysMum]

and ever banega is an excellent player but he is not coming here....what is the fucking point....messi is better than suarez. deal with it.

[Always_A_Red]

He's 21 years old lads.....mark my words.....Jordan will become a great player for us.

Thought he played really well today. Maybe its a coincidence, but everytime he plays in the CM, he plays well?? Maybe we should play him in the CM position more often?? Just putting that one out there....

[KoncheskysMum]

you still haven't answered my question.

[Rafas the man]

you still haven't answered my question.

That to me? If so what question sorry?

[KoncheskysMum]

That to me? If so what question sorry?

yeah was just saying that do you think a player like mccarthy (who i rate highly) could do as well as jordan henderson at liverpool (which would be a similar situation)

still I don't think they are THAT similar of players since mccarthy seems to play a little further back on the pitch.

[Juan Loco]

Bastian Henderson

[Nin]

Thats not always his role though, that is the problem. I have no issues if he plays like he did today if he is playing that role of the 'recycler' in midfield.

It becomes an issue when he is playing in a more attacking role with the onus to create. Then his economy with the ball becomes more of a liability than an asset.

Which also makes me think that he could probably go on to play the 'Lucas role' in the future sometime , but only if he adds a lot of defensive ability to his overall game.

This is spot on.

Lucas was always defensively good. Henderson needs to improve that side of his game big time. Today it was Norwich so he got away with going to sleep at times, but if he plays that role against Chelsea with the likes of Ramires and Lampard making those runs then we'll have problems. Which is why Spearing will probably play.

That means Henderson should be a more advanced midfielder, but he hasn't shown much to suggest he can regularly score and create goals. Shelvey has shown more in that department in my opinion.

[El_Pistolero]

Bastian Henderson

Jordan Schweinsteiger sounds better. 

[MassDriver]

Bastian Henderson

Not yet Juan, not yet. 

[Rafas the man]

yeah was just saying that do you think a player like mccarthy (who i rate highly) could do as well as jordan henderson at liverpool (which would be a similar situation)

still I don't think they are THAT similar of players since mccarthy seems to play a little further back on the pitch.

I think he would do better, purely based on the fact that I think he is a more confident player and seems to get more stuck in. If I remember rightly McCarthy came here on trial when he was 16 and we wanted to sign him from Hamilton but he picked Wigan as he felt he would get more chances, which I suppose was a good decision as he has been playing every week for a couple of seasons now. I would love us to go get him for £9m or so. Btw anyone feel free to correct me if I am wrong about the trial, but sure I remember reading it somewhere.

[Hazell]

Thats not always his role though, that is the problem. I have no issues if he plays like he did today if he is playing that role of the 'recycler' in midfield.

It becomes an issue when he is playing in a more attacking role with the onus to create. Then his economy with the ball becomes more of a liability than an asset.

Which also makes me think that he could probably go on to play the 'Lucas role' in the future sometime , but only if he adds a lot of defensive ability to his overall game.

'Liability' is exaggerating by a lot. The onus has hardly been on him to create because we've got other players whose primary role that is and even playing alongside Lucas, it doesn't need to be. Not in the traditional sense anyway. They share similar attributes and both of them have been criticised because they don't fit in with the all action kind of midfielder that catches the eye but the more players we have who share those attributes, the better we'll look. Spearing does to a less extent as well and it's no surpise when Lucas and Spearing were paired together at the back end of last season, we played some of the best football we've seen under Kenny. They didn't score any goals or assist many but they provided a platform for the others and it worked. Henderson playing alongside a player can do that as well and in time, I think he'll be a hell of a better player than Spearing. He doesn't have to be a DM or become Lucas and he doesn't need to become the focus of 'creativity'. Carrick isn't a traditional DM and doesn't score or assist many yet he's a similar player. Obviously Henderson isn't that good yet but he's still young and will improve his game. And Henderson didn't alter his game that much today. and he won't alter it that much next time he plays alongside Spearing or Lucas when his economy with the ball will apparently go back to being a 'liability'.

[Juan Loco]

Not yet Juan, not yet. 

Love how many people take it seriously though


Defo think the shape of the midfield is a lot better when Henderson is sitting rather than Spearing. Spearing should have the attributes to be better at it - and always looks like he's having a better game - but I think the midfield works better when it's Hendo at the base. If anything I think you play Spearing where Shelvey was today (though I'm not sure I would), in a really shitty imitation of Alonso and Sissoko.

[KoncheskysMum]

I think he would do better, purely based on the fact that I think he is a more confident player and seems to get more stuck in. If I remember rightly McCarthy came here on trial when he was 16 and we wanted to sign him from Hamilton but he picked Wigan as he felt he would get more chances, which I suppose was a good decision as he has been playing every week for a couple of seasons now. I would love us to go get him for £9m or so. Btw anyone feel free to correct me if I am wrong about the trial, but sure I remember reading it somewhere.

fair enough mate.

apologies that I don't read all your posts on RAWK simply due to all the negativity here.

just a bit pissed off that someone is calling me a quim.

then again I haven't smoked weed in a week so maybe I just need to chill and ignore the hate.

[Rafas the man]

fair enough mate.

apologies that I don't read all your posts on RAWK simply due to all the negativity here.

just a bit pissed off that someone is calling me a quim.

then again I haven't smoked weed in a week so maybe I just need to chill and ignore the hate.

No worries pal, and heres the bit about the trial, guess my memory isn't as bad as I thought it was.

http://www.people.co.uk/sport/football/news/2010/03/07/james-mccarthy-turning-down-liverpool-was-the-best-move-of-my-career-93463-22091442/

[danwarb]

Henderson doesn't have the presence he needs in midfield yet. He's always running but isn't on the ball enough. Lucas' contribution grew and he's on the ball as often as Gerrard now, playing as many passes.