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Re: Comolli: Only 1or 2 adjustments in the summer
« Reply #1640 on: March 7, 2012, 02:24:06 PM »
We didn't refuse to spend £12m on Chamberlain though. Not even close. We tried for him, several times. He(/His father) wanted the Arsenal move. Nothing to do with failure to stump up on our part, but don't let that get in the way of a good moan.

We didn't. We had him watched but no other team actually went in for him at any point, he only went for £12m because the player's agent told Arsenal he'd been speaking with Ferguson after their game in the FA/League Cup so they upped their bid from £8m to £12m. Was a bluff for a bigger fee, but nobody else went in for him. Not seriously anyway.

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Re: Comolli: Only 1or 2 adjustments in the summer
« Reply #1641 on: March 7, 2012, 02:24:38 PM »
thought if Aqua reached 20 league games or whatever for AC it triggered an 8m buy out clause or some shite?
6 million not 8. Euros not pounds sterling. They still have the option to buy at that regardless of apps.
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Re: Comolli: Only 1or 2 adjustments in the summer
« Reply #1642 on: March 7, 2012, 02:27:03 PM »
To those wishing that Cole moves to Lille permanently, afraid there's zero chance of that happening as a straight forward transfer.

No club in France (outside €€PSG€€) can afford even 1/3rd of his wages, and Cole is simply not going to take a huge pay cut to move. He still has a 2 1/2 year contract worth £90k per week with Liverpool, so unless they contribute 50-75% of his wages for the remainder of his contract for a move away from Anfield, he'll remain a Liverpool player.
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Re: Comolli: Only 1or 2 adjustments in the summer
« Reply #1643 on: March 7, 2012, 02:27:15 PM »
I long for the day where we make a purchase in the transfer market and other teams are missing out.

I mean a top, top target.

We have chased shadows with Phil Jones, Ashley Young, Chamberlain and Mata only recently if quotes and reports are anything to go by.
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Re: Comolli: Only 1or 2 adjustments in the summer
« Reply #1644 on: March 7, 2012, 02:27:33 PM »
Regarding Lucas, I just hope the lad has succesful recovery and rehabilitation period. We've seen numerous cases of serious struggles to come back after acl-injury.

Because of that, I wouldn't mind bringing Keita in as a back up (as rumoured) and alternative to Spearing/Adam, although striker+winger obviously being the priorities.
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Re: Comolli: Only 1or 2 adjustments in the summer
« Reply #1645 on: March 7, 2012, 02:27:47 PM »
Joe Cole has QPR or West Ham written all over him.
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Re: Comolli: Only 1or 2 adjustments in the summer
« Reply #1646 on: March 7, 2012, 02:28:23 PM »
We've been like a dog chasing it's tail for 20 odd years now.

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Re: Comolli: Only 1or 2 adjustments in the summer
« Reply #1647 on: March 7, 2012, 02:32:24 PM »
Regarding Lucas, I just hope the lad has succesful recovery and rehabilitation period. We've seen numerous cases of serious struggles to come back after acl-injury.

Because of that, I wouldn't mind bringing Keita in as a back up (as rumoured) and alternative to Spearing/Adam, although striker+winger obviously being the priorities.

The only positive with Lucas' situation is, it's not as if he's a pacey player.. Didn't base his game off of having to out-run people, I think just for the fact of how intelligent he is as a footballer, he should be okay.

He will need time to get used to it though, I wouldn't be surprised if he isn't back in the fold for the club on a first team basis until Mid-September through to maybe even Mid-October before he gets back to being able to play.

Given that everything goes okay with rehab ofcourse.
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Re: Comolli: Only 1or 2 adjustments in the summer
« Reply #1648 on: March 7, 2012, 02:32:41 PM »
Joe Cole has QPR or West Ham written all over him.
Said the same before Purslow had other ideas.
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Re: Comolli: Only 1or 2 adjustments in the summer
« Reply #1649 on: March 7, 2012, 02:32:57 PM »
6 million not 8. Euros not pounds sterling. They still have the option to buy at that regardless of apps.

Correct about fee of 6 million euros. Wrong about option - it's compulsory after 25 appearances in all competitions. H is now on 21.

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Re: Comolli: Only 1or 2 adjustments in the summer
« Reply #1650 on: March 7, 2012, 02:34:41 PM »
Said the same before Purslow had other ideas.

Nah, it was all Spurs and Arsenal back then fella. Arsenal were apparently very close to him at one point. Then along came a bucket load of money.

I still think it worked out to an extent. I'm sure his signing convinced Gerrard and Torres to give it another few months. We got to keep Gerrard, we got to reinvest the Torres money. ... If they'd have gone that summer then that money would've just disappeared.

Joe Cole got us Suarez. He was a bargain ;)
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Re: Comolli: Only 1or 2 adjustments in the summer
« Reply #1651 on: March 7, 2012, 02:34:53 PM »
Correct about fee of 6 million euros. Wrong about option - it's compulsory after 25 appearances in all competitions. H is now on 21.
Not wrong at all. Yes it's automatically triggered but likewise if he doesn't recover from injury and reach the magic 25, it's still optional and Milan can still buy him at that price.
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Re: Comolli: Only 1or 2 adjustments in the summer
« Reply #1652 on: March 7, 2012, 02:36:02 PM »
Only addition I'd like in the summer is of a fucking striker who can actually put the ball into the net and maybe, another RM.
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Re: Comolli: Only 1or 2 adjustments in the summer
« Reply #1653 on: March 7, 2012, 02:37:21 PM »
Nah, it was all Spurs and Arsenal back then fella. Arsenal were apparently very close to him at one point. Then along came a bucket load of money.
I meant I thought that's where he'd end up (QPR, WHU). Never understood the clamour for him.
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Re: Comolli: Only 1or 2 adjustments in the summer
« Reply #1654 on: March 7, 2012, 02:38:28 PM »
If Aquilani gets some little gobshite injury and fucks us about again with a fee being sorted and everything, I'll personally drag him by his twatty hair down to Milan and make him sign a contract with his own fucking blood.
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Re: Comolli: Only 1or 2 adjustments in the summer
« Reply #1655 on: March 7, 2012, 02:44:43 PM »
To everyone worried about lucas's recovery you guys do know Xavi had the exact same injury in 06. He hasn't had a too bad of a time since then has he.

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Re: Comolli: Only 1or 2 adjustments in the summer
« Reply #1656 on: March 7, 2012, 02:47:02 PM »
If we do move for Redmond I could see him splitting time with Sterling next year. I think the idea would be for them to essentially share a season...you don't want lads at their age playing all the time and getting injured / burnt out so may be a reason behind the thinking...

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Re: Comolli: Only 1or 2 adjustments in the summer
« Reply #1657 on: March 7, 2012, 02:48:47 PM »
We've been scouting Dede apparently.

Not sure we need a new centre back, but this guy is meant to be a real talent.
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Re: Comolli: Only 1or 2 adjustments in the summer
« Reply #1658 on: March 7, 2012, 02:50:10 PM »
a talent like Alex or a talent like Luiz?




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Re: Comolli: Only 1or 2 adjustments in the summer
« Reply #1659 on: March 7, 2012, 02:51:45 PM »
We've been scouting Dede apparently.

Not sure we need a new centre back, but this guy is meant to be a real talent.

I'd say we definitely need one Carragher can't cut it anymore and Coates is all potential atm. We've been extremely lucky with Aggers injuries this season.

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Re: Comolli: Only 1or 2 adjustments in the summer
« Reply #1660 on: March 7, 2012, 02:52:34 PM »
Not wrong at all. Yes it's automatically triggered but likewise if he doesn't recover from injury and reach the magic 25, it's still optional and Milan can still buy him at that price.

Obviously. Milan can also buy Joe Cole for 30 million. Who's stopping them? And Aquilani is already back from injury. He added one appearance yesterday.

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Re: Comolli: Only 1or 2 adjustments in the summer
« Reply #1661 on: March 7, 2012, 02:53:21 PM »
I'd say we definitely need one Carragher can't cut it anymore and Coates is all potential atm. We've been extremely lucky with Aggers injuries this season.

So buy another CB so Coates gets even less games and never has the chance to fulfill that potential? What's the point in that?

He's good enough now as a 3rd choice now, and that's with Carra somehow ahead of him.

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Re: Comolli: Only 1or 2 adjustments in the summer
« Reply #1662 on: March 7, 2012, 02:55:07 PM »
I'd say we definitely need one Carragher can't cut it anymore and Coates is all potential atm. We've been extremely lucky with Aggers injuries this season.

I don't reckon so, both Skrtel and Agger would have to be injured for me for carra to get a look in and even then I'd rather throw wisdom in. Maybe if carragher left we would need another cb, we've still got Wilson though
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Re: Comolli: Only 1or 2 adjustments in the summer
« Reply #1663 on: March 7, 2012, 02:57:10 PM »
Obviously. Milan can also buy Joe Cole for 30 million. Who's stopping them? And Aquilani is already back from injury. He added one appearance yesterday.

Yeh he came on with 10 minutes left and set up a great chance which Milan fluffed. 4 more appearances til we're done with that sorry affair.

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Re: Comolli: Only 1or 2 adjustments in the summer
« Reply #1664 on: March 7, 2012, 02:59:22 PM »
So buy another CB so Coates gets even less games and never has the chance to fulfill that potential? What's the point in that?

He's good enough now as a 3rd choice now, and that's with Carra somehow ahead of him.

Because we don't know if he's good enough yet. In his games against Premier League sides he's made big mistakes in them. We know Carragher definitely isn't up to it, so why take the risk of relying on people who may not be good enough in the likely event that Agger gets injured? And we'll have EL next season, plenty of opportunitys for Coates to play.

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Re: Comolli: Only 1or 2 adjustments in the summer
« Reply #1665 on: March 7, 2012, 03:02:27 PM »
Because we don't know if he's good enough yet. In his games against Premier League sides he's made big mistakes in them. We know Carragher definitely isn't up to it, so why take the risk of relying on people who may not be good enough in the likely event that Agger gets injured? And we'll have EL next season, plenty of opportunitys for Coates to play.

He's only ever going to learn from those mistakes, and bar those clangers he's been sound. No point in getting another centre-back when we have Agger, Skrtel, Coates, Wisdom and even Kelly.

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Re: Comolli: Only 1or 2 adjustments in the summer
« Reply #1666 on: March 7, 2012, 03:04:45 PM »
He's only ever going to learn from those mistakes, and bar those clangers he's been sound. No point in getting another centre-back when we have Agger, Skrtel, Coates, Wisdom and even Kelly.

Wisdom hasn't played first team football, and the only time Kelly played CB in the last 3 years was preseason and he was shocking. What happens if Skrtel picks up a season ending injury at the start of the next campaign? Do you really want to rely on Agger to stay fit all year? You have to plan for these things, it's the whole point of a squad.

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Re: Comolli: Only 1or 2 adjustments in the summer
« Reply #1667 on: March 7, 2012, 03:07:21 PM »
Kelly will be moved inside sooner or later anyway, and Carra will still be around if worst comes to worst. Would much rather we spent the money on areas where we're lacking real quality ie goalscorers than on areas where we're, at worst, thin after two injuries.

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Re: Comolli: Only 1or 2 adjustments in the summer
« Reply #1668 on: March 7, 2012, 03:19:16 PM »
I really dont think we are too far away from having a team/squad that can easily challenge for top 4 next year if not higher.

We have one of the meanest defences in the league, we have a team that consistantly keeps hold of the ball and we create more chances than anyone else (except maybe Man City).  Our issue is we need a striker who can put the ball in the net.

Suarez and Carroll both have their strengths so I think we need a player who can work with both of them, either seperately or together.  Who is that player???  I have no idea, hopefully DC and Kenny have already identified him.

A new right mid would be nice as I think Dirk has probably reached the end of his Liverpool career, however I would still like to see Johnson playing on the right in midfield with Kelly behind him.  Bale made the move forward with devastating effect for Spurs and I still think the Glen could do an excellent job there for us and also make the right hand side very strong defensively.
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Re: Comolli: Only 1or 2 adjustments in the summer
« Reply #1669 on: March 7, 2012, 03:29:18 PM »
What happens if Skrtel picks up a season ending injury at the start of the next campaign? Do you really want to rely on Agger to stay fit all year? You have to plan for these things, it's the whole point of a squad.
But where do you draw the line? We have 3 international CBs plus Carragher, we don't have room for another. Sure one or two of them might get injured, but if we don't dare to play a 21 year-old Copa America winner in that case, what the point of having him? United play Jones, Evans and Smalling, now that Ferdinand and Vidic are injured more often than not. City relied on Savic in few games. Sure, they all make mistakes, they aren't great (yet), but to only way to learn is by playing, and playing when it matters. Some of those might not cut it long term, but if you never dare to find out, we shouldn't buy them in the first place.

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Re: Comolli: Only 1or 2 adjustments in the summer
« Reply #1670 on: March 7, 2012, 03:38:00 PM »
a talent like Alex or a talent like Luiz?




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Re: Comolli: Only 1or 2 adjustments in the summer
« Reply #1671 on: March 7, 2012, 03:39:34 PM »
He's only ever going to learn from those mistakes, and bar those clangers he's been sound. No point in getting another centre-back when we have Agger, Skrtel, Coates, Wisdom and even Kelly.

So I guess we're moving on from Wilson?
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Re: Comolli: Only 1or 2 adjustments in the summer
« Reply #1672 on: March 7, 2012, 03:40:23 PM »
I wouldn't say they were disasters, at least not the last two. I think the level of the squad has gone up over the last couple of years and to be fair it had to and yes at a rather large expense, but we have recouped large amounts as well, got rid of 25 players and brought in 7 who aren't on massive wages, so our yearly expenses were cut, despite the outlay on transfers.

I think we are fairly decent as the sum of our parts, and would look a lot better with say, Hoilett and a poacher upfront - dependant on who we can attract. With a couple of additions, and maintaining most of the squad we have (bar perhaps Kuyt, Maxi or Carroll) I would say we were fairly strong. Last summer we seemed to sign solid players who can do a decent enough job in the league overall, with Bellamy and Downing being the only real "old" players (and its debatable that Downing is really that old) which means at the very least it's a squad to last for a while. I would hope that last summer was the one where we built the foundations, made sure we were at the very least adept, if not 'perfect' with us ready to exploit the next window with "1 or 2 adjustments" as Comolli puts it, to add some guile and trickery to solve any problems we have faced over the course of the season. We cannot really argue with how our defence has performed afterall.

It could be that we sign nobody in summer and I'm left with egg on my face- but if the plan was to make sure that we don't have anyone that is very very weak in the squad in the first proper window (weak in terms of the the likes of Konchesky, Poulsen, Jovanovic, Ngog, El Zhar) all of whom can stay at the club for a while, to then be able to add quality each year (reminiscent of the Mancs in years gone by), then I don't think we've done too badly.

It all rests upon how the next transfer window goes. I don't want to say we are three signings away from challenging for the title as others have done, but I agree that if we can bring in a player for the right wing with pace to be used more often than Henderson and Kuyt, can bring in another striker (perhaps missing out on Wickham wasn't so bad, even if he was going to be 3rd/4th) we'd look like a very solid outfit, almost certainly being ready to challenge any of the positions from 1-4 - but would look very good for claiming the 4th spot, I'd be very confident. Any signings above any beyond that, dependant on value etc, would be a bonus - say an attacking midfielder, or cover for Lucas, or a 4th choice centre back if we look to phase out Carragher and promote Coates, a left winger to replace Maxi and challenge Downing more readily would be a bonus, but not a necessity at this stage.

It's all dependant on keeping Suarez, but he owes Kenny another 12 months regardless of how he feels due to the way Kenny stuck up for him this season.

I am of course disappointed in the points we have received this season, but we're still in with a shout of another trophy, I think we have played excellent football at times, getting the better of teams above us, but just are a little bit of quality away from just being that bit better. There is no doubt that even if we could have converted at the rate of a midtable team, we'd probably be sitting in 4th or just behind.



I certainly agree that we trimmed the squad. It was a big job that we got done and the age mix is better too. That was a job well done.

But has the level really gone up? Honestly? Let's be extreme. Take Cole/Jovanovic vs Downing (and Henderson) and Ngog vs Carroll. The immediate reaction is that we've made a massive improvement. Now compare the goals and assists we got from them, attacking players as they are. Now consider that we have spent 50M... This is typically where we begin to talk about potential. And yet it wasn't too hard to improve on those players.

Next throw in the losses of Meireles and Torres. (Aquilani? Mascherano?) Have we really improved? What does the league table say? IMO, there is no improvement that we can measure. It's all about trust. What really saves us at the moment is the League Cup trophy.

If we want to take real steps forward, we need to be so much better. We might be able to mask last summer's signings as players for the squad and the future, in an attempt to justify them, but we can't afford to make those mistakes again.

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Re: Comolli: Only 1or 2 adjustments in the summer
« Reply #1673 on: March 7, 2012, 03:44:22 PM »
Don't see how Aquilani is much of a loss to us really, if anything that whole scenario has just been a burden the entire time.
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Re: Comolli: Only 1or 2 adjustments in the summer
« Reply #1674 on: March 7, 2012, 03:49:28 PM »
Don't really get the whole Kelly Cb thing if I'm honest, yet to see evidence that he would do well there, think rb is his best position

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Re: Comolli: Only 1or 2 adjustments in the summer
« Reply #1675 on: March 7, 2012, 03:51:59 PM »
As of right now we will have the following CD next year in the 1st team squad
Agger
Skrtel
Coates
Carra
Wilson

With Kelly as another option and Wisdom at the point were he might be expected to get a look in to at least train with the 1st team squad.

So I would be amazed if we bought a CD unless we sell/loan/release some of the above.
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Re: Comolli: Only 1or 2 adjustments in the summer
« Reply #1676 on: March 7, 2012, 04:01:12 PM »
Don't see how Aquilani is much of a loss to us really, if anything that whole scenario has just been a burden the entire time.
Certainly been a distraction in the player threads. A countdown thread to 25 would be nice though.  :)

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Re: Comolli: Only 1or 2 adjustments in the summer
« Reply #1677 on: March 7, 2012, 04:01:36 PM »
So I guess we're moving on from Wilson?

You know what? I completely forgot about him, furthers my point though. How's he getting on at Blackpool, anybody know?

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Re: Comolli: Only 1or 2 adjustments in the summer
« Reply #1678 on: March 7, 2012, 04:04:22 PM »
Don't really get the whole Kelly Cb thing if I'm honest, yet to see evidence that he would do well there, think rb is his best position

me, too, I really like him at RB, he makes some barnstorming runs and puts in a good shift defensively, too.  Not a bad problem to have, picking between Kelly and Johnson.

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Re: Comolli: Only 1or 2 adjustments in the summer
« Reply #1679 on: March 7, 2012, 04:05:00 PM »

Wilson



Think he will be moved on if I am honest. He hasn't got a chance here so far and I can't see him getting one soon either with Coates in. Although it would be good to maybe have him as 4th choice when Carra retires.

He needs to be playing first-team football though so a season-long loan may be good.
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