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Re: Torres: Seriously, What Happened To Him?
« Reply #1080 on: March 4, 2012, 10:28:44 PM »
Its so easy to be caught up with players coming here and doing well. Its why my old man sort of lost touch with the game towards the emd of his life

i was on board from minute one about torres. why would he give a fuck about us? I remember when we were about to play our fiorst champions league game with him and it was going to be his first he said 'No-one can buy this dream' That confirmed to me what he was hear for. Not that I didnt know already

we invest so much in these players and mistake their excellent play on the pitch for love for the club. Suarez is the darling at the moment but I again am not going over the top as I can see a time in the future where everyone on here is calling him a gobshite. but more than that am aware hes not here for us. Hes here for him

Im fine with that. Its time others learned to be
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Re: Torres: Seriously, What Happened To Him?
« Reply #1081 on: March 4, 2012, 10:36:39 PM »
If he is, and RVP is off in the summer, then Wenger will probably be sniffing around. Replace your main man with a big name on the cheap would go some way into appeasing his fan's anger. And Arsenal have done a fair share or business with Chelsea in the last years.
RVP & Torres would be interesting. Especially if Rafa is there.
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Re: Torres: Seriously, What Happened To Him?
« Reply #1082 on: March 4, 2012, 10:37:17 PM »
No question the comments he came out with were shocking but to me they were tinged with resentment and bile as if he wanted to get back at or hurt someone.
And i think that's why there might be something to those rumours that he backtracked on his decision but Kenny was having none of it. To someone like Kenny, for him to have made the decision to leave in the first place showed a lack of loyalty and trust in him personally just days after he was appointed.

I guess we'll never know whether that rumour was true or not, but the quotes about Liverpool having to rebuild and him not having the time to stick around, lead me to believe it probably wasn't true. Perhaps he was pissed off with someone at board level but it was unprofessional to stick the knife in.

At the end of the day, he isn't the type of player we should be looking to bring in right now. I think it would take a small miracle for him to recapture his form of 08/09; players get older, their legs go, their confidence gets shot. Look at Robbie Fowler after he got that serious injury, he was never the player he once was. I'm delighted we got £50m for him, I just hope we make a concerted effort into bringing in a young Fernando Torres, not the player he is now.
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Re: Torres: Seriously, What Happened To Him?
« Reply #1083 on: March 4, 2012, 10:39:11 PM »
No question the comments he came out with were shocking but to me they were tinged with resentment and bile as if he wanted to get back at or hurt someone.
And i think that's why there might be something to those rumours that he backtracked on his decision but Kenny was having none of it. To someone like Kenny, for him to have made the decision to leave in the first place showed a lack of loyalty and trust in him personally just days after he was appointed.
doubt that but if true then Kenny's the fool. Would he have forced Gerrard out when he wanted to go to Chelsea?
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Re: Torres: Seriously, What Happened To Him?
« Reply #1084 on: March 4, 2012, 10:40:12 PM »
doubt that but if true then Kenny's the fool. Would he have forced Gerrard out when he wanted to go to Chelsea?
Who knows? Maybe he just has very strong principles.

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Re: Torres: Seriously, What Happened To Him?
« Reply #1085 on: March 4, 2012, 10:41:40 PM »
Its so easy to be caught up with players coming here and doing well. Its why my old man sort of lost touch with the game towards the emd of his life

i was on board from minute one about torres. why would he give a fuck about us? I remember when we were about to play our fiorst champions league game with him and it was going to be his first he said 'No-one can buy this dream' That confirmed to me what he was hear for. Not that I didnt know already

we invest so much in these players and mistake their excellent play on the pitch for love for the club. Suarez is the darling at the moment but I again am not going over the top as I can see a time in the future where everyone on here is calling him a gobshite. but more than that am aware hes not here for us. Hes here for him

Im fine with that. Its time others learned to be

I'm fine with that too mate, but look at the reception Suarez got when he was leaving Ajax to learn how to leave a club with your dignity and reputation intact. Suarez will leave us at some point, it could very well be sooner than we think considering the treatment he's receieved in this country, I just hope when he does he doesn't slag off the club, so he can retain a little of the affection he currently enjoys.
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Re: Torres: Seriously, What Happened To Him?
« Reply #1086 on: March 4, 2012, 10:44:04 PM »
I'm fine with that too mate, but look at the reception Suarez got when he was leaving Ajax to learn how to leave a club with your dignity and reputation intact. Suarez will leave us at some point, it could very well be sooner than we think considering the treatment he's receieved in this country, I just hope when he does he doesn't slag off the club, so he can retain a little of the affection he currently enjoys.

yeah true. As I say i wasnt aware of his comments which dims my view of him I must say.
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Re: Torres: Seriously, What Happened To Him?
« Reply #1087 on: March 4, 2012, 10:44:16 PM »
I'm fine with that too mate, but look at the reception Suarez got when he was leaving Ajax to learn how to leave a club with your dignity and reputation intact. Suarez will leave us at some point, it could very well be sooner than we think considering the treatment he's receieved in this country, I just hope when he does he doesn't slag off the club, so he can retain a little of the affection he currently enjoys.
Torres left Atletico with dignity and fans affection as well. That can only happen when you move to another country.
So it will depend on where Suarez go. If it's the same league then there is absolutely no chance it will be a nice breakup.

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Re: Torres: Seriously, What Happened To Him?
« Reply #1088 on: March 4, 2012, 10:45:09 PM »
Torres left Atletico with dignity and fans affection as well. That can only happen when you move to another country.
So it will depend on where Suarez go. If it's the same league then there is absolutely no chance it will be a nice breakup.

very true also
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Re: Torres: Seriously, What Happened To Him?
« Reply #1089 on: March 4, 2012, 10:46:46 PM »
But the fans part, really had nothing to do with us and I don't know why you think that way. He was just thanking the Chelsea fans for not giving up on him since he was so poor. It wasn't a dig at our fans or anything.

I think it was, personally. It came not too long after he moved and his good relationship with our fans was notorious. It felt to me like he was saying it was easy for our fans to support him from the start because he played well for us and scored goals, but the Chelsea fans are more admirable because they've supported him through the bad times too.

Perhaps I'm being paranoid but that's how I read it.
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Re: Torres: Seriously, What Happened To Him?
« Reply #1090 on: March 4, 2012, 10:49:21 PM »
I think it was, personally. It came not too long after he moved and his good relationship with our fans was notorious. It felt to me like he was saying it was easy for our fans to support him from the start because he played well for us and scored goals, but the Chelsea fans are more admirable because they've supported him through the bad times too.

Perhaps I'm being paranoid but that's how I read it.
It was said quite recently if I recall. Actually probably just a couple of months. Let me put it his way, he had definitely scored for Chelsea by then so it can't be that long ago lol

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Re: Torres: Seriously, What Happened To Him?
« Reply #1091 on: March 4, 2012, 10:49:44 PM »
Torres left Atletico with dignity and fans affection as well. That can only happen when you move to another country.
So it will depend on where Suarez go. If it's the same league then there is absolutely no chance it will be a nice breakup.

Yossi Benayoun got a good hand from our fans at the weekend, and he moved from Liverpool to Chelsea to Arsenal. In fact most former Liverpool players coming back with a PL club get a good reception. I know some people will hold a grudge against former players regardless, but for me personally it's about how you move, not where you move (Everton and United excepted).
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Re: Torres: Seriously, What Happened To Him?
« Reply #1092 on: March 4, 2012, 10:52:35 PM »
Who knows? Maybe he just has very strong principles.

I'd rather he didn't have any principles at all other than making Liverpool the strongest club in the league again. Ferguson ha dedicated his life to keeping Man Utd up and us down, with everything subordinated to this aim. I'd like us to reciprocate.
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Re: Torres: Seriously, What Happened To Him?
« Reply #1093 on: March 4, 2012, 10:53:04 PM »
Yossi Benayoun got a good hand from our fans at the weekend, and he moved from Liverpool to Chelsea to Arsenal. In fact most former Liverpool players coming back with a PL club get a good reception. I know some people will hold a grudge against former players regardless, but for me personally it's about how you move, not where you move (Everton and United excepted).
hmm that's not really the same though is it? It's very different when one of your best players left to a rival. I don't recall any of our players who did that and got a warm reception.

Do you think if Gerrard went to Chelsea but said some nice things afterwards, we would forgive him?

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Re: Torres: Seriously, What Happened To Him?
« Reply #1094 on: March 4, 2012, 10:53:17 PM »
I guess we'll never know whether that rumour was true or not, but the quotes about Liverpool having to rebuild and him not having the time to stick around, lead me to believe it probably wasn't true. Perhaps he was pissed off with someone at board level but it was unprofessional to stick the knife in.

At the end of the day, he isn't the type of player we should be looking to bring in right now. I think it would take a small miracle for him to recapture his form of 08/09; players get older, their legs go, their confidence gets shot. Look at Robbie Fowler after he got that serious injury, he was never the player he once was. I'm delighted we got £50m for him, I just hope we make a concerted effort into bringing in a young Fernando Torres, not the player he is now.

Okay lets put Torres aside as a person, i do believe we do need someone with the composure, instinct and cool in front of goal right now and not necessarily someone who can sprint like the 22 year old Torres. Suarez is marvellous but in front of goal he is trigger happy, Torres when in the groove made it look effortless. So losing you'r legs isn't the be all and end all, this season our problem is that our chance conversion is dreadful.

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Re: Torres: Seriously, What Happened To Him?
« Reply #1095 on: March 4, 2012, 10:53:49 PM »
It was said quite recently if I recall. Actually probably just a couple of months. Let me put it his way, he had definitely scored for Chelsea by then so it can't be that long ago lol

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It was September 2011, so I guess about five playing months after he left Liverpool. Granted I could have read it wrong but it just seemed a little too coincidental to not be a thinly veiled reference to our fans. But that's just my personal opinion, either way he hasn't done himself many favours since leaving.
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Re: Torres: Seriously, What Happened To Him?
« Reply #1096 on: March 4, 2012, 10:58:24 PM »
hmm that's not really the same though is it? It's very different when one of your best players left to a rival. I don't recall any of our players who did that and got a warm reception.

Do you think if Gerrard went to Chelsea but said some nice things afterwards, we would forgive him?

Like I said, I can't speak for all of our fans, only myself. Half way through Hodgson's reign I actually posted on here saying "I hope for Torres' sake he leaves before his career stagnates" or something to that effect. I was gutted that he chose Chelsea but not resentful, until he said those things, then I wanted him to fail.

That's bitter of me, and I don't mind admitting it, but I can't abide players who show no gratitude toward our club.
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Re: Torres: Seriously, What Happened To Him?
« Reply #1097 on: March 4, 2012, 11:03:17 PM »
Like I said, I can't speak for all of our fans, only myself. Half way through Hodgson's reign I actually posted on here saying "I hope for Torres' sake he leaves before his career stagnates" or something to that effect. I was gutted that he chose Chelsea but not resentful, until he said those things, then I wanted him to fail.

That's bitter of me, and I don't mind admitting it, but I can't abide players who show no gratitude toward our club.
I understand. I hated what he said as well. I just don't think it's as unforgivable as say Owen.

I actually hold a certain amount of bitterness towards all the players who left us for better things, including Alonso and Mascherano so I'm not really one to talk.  :P

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Re: Torres: Seriously, What Happened To Him?
« Reply #1098 on: March 4, 2012, 11:09:06 PM »
I understand. I hated what he said as well. I just don't think it's as unforgivable as say Owen.

I actually hold a certain amount of bitterness towards all the players who left us for better things, including Alonso and Mascherano so I'm not really one to talk.  :P

I think that's true for all of us, but it's one thing to try and control the shit storm and another to stir the bee hive.

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Re: Torres: Seriously, What Happened To Him?
« Reply #1099 on: March 4, 2012, 11:11:25 PM »
Okay lets put Torres aside as a person, i do believe we do need someone with the composure, instinct and cool in front of goal right now and not necessarily someone who can sprint like the 22 year old Torres. Suarez is marvellous but in front of goal he is trigger happy, Torres when in the groove made it look effortless. So losing you'r legs isn't the be all and end all, this season our problem is that our chance conversion is dreadful.

I genuinely don't believe Torres will ever recapture his form as a player. His game was fairly reliant on his pace, so his legs going (which it seems to me they have) is a major blow for him. On top of that his confidence is shot to pieces, remember the Torres who had the audacity to turn his man, beat his marker or curl a ball in from outside the area? That player has dissapeared and I think when a player gets to his stage in their career, and they haven't won as much as they've probably deserved, and they're going through a run of bad form stemming from all sorts of injury problems, it's an uphill struggle to replicate their younger days.

Strikers often have shorter careers and greater peaks and troughs than players in other positions. Robbie Fowler was the greatest finisher in the game for four years, Michael Owen was a superstar from 1998-2003, Samuel Eto'o was the best in his position for a few years at Barca. It happens, goalscoring is often about physical attributes and confidence, whereas other positions rely more on intelligence, positioning and reading of the game. 
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Re: Torres: Seriously, What Happened To Him?
« Reply #1100 on: March 4, 2012, 11:13:25 PM »
Who knows? Maybe he just has very strong principles.
perhaps, but I can't imagine he would have behaved the same with Gerrard. Still principles are principles
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Re: Torres: Seriously, What Happened To Him?
« Reply #1101 on: March 4, 2012, 11:23:00 PM »
perhaps, but I can't imagine he would have behaved the same with Gerrard. Still principles are principles

I think if Gerrard was linked with Chelsea and Kenny had just been appointed, he would have stayed  at least until the summer to see if it could work out. I personally would have taken it as a slight on me if someone didn't even give me the chance to prove myself.

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Re: Torres: Seriously, What Happened To Him?
« Reply #1102 on: March 4, 2012, 11:33:35 PM »
I genuinely don't believe Torres will ever recapture his form as a player. His game was fairly reliant on his pace, so his legs going (which it seems to me they have) is a major blow for him. On top of that his confidence is shot to pieces, remember the Torres who had the audacity to turn his man, beat his marker or curl a ball in from outside the area? That player has dissapeared and I think when a player gets to his stage in their career, and they haven't won as much as they've probably deserved, and they're going through a run of bad form stemming from all sorts of injury problems, it's an uphill struggle to replicate their younger days.

Strikers often have shorter careers and greater peaks and troughs than players in other positions. Robbie Fowler was the greatest finisher in the game for four years, Michael Owen was a superstar from 1998-2003, Samuel Eto'o was the best in his position for a few years at Barca. It happens, goalscoring is often about physical attributes and confidence, whereas other positions rely more on intelligence, positioning and reading of the game.

Agree that physical attributes are important depending on how a team plays. Barcelona however practically play without a striker but they emphasize awareness, reading of the game and intelligence of movement (not sprinting), attributes that can't be completely disregarded in a striker.

Put it this way, is it better for a striker to fight it out with a defender or for the striker to take the defender out of the equation entirely?

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Re: Torres: Seriously, What Happened To Him?
« Reply #1103 on: March 4, 2012, 11:35:01 PM »
Okay lets put Torres aside as a person, i do believe we do need someone with the composure, instinct and cool in front of goal right now and not necessarily someone who can sprint like the 22 year old Torres. Suarez is marvellous but in front of goal he is trigger happy, Torres when in the groove made it look effortless. So losing you'r legs isn't the be all and end all, this season our problem is that our chance conversion is dreadful.

I can see what you're trying to say, but can you see how foolish it is to talk about a need for a player with composure in front of goal and mention Torres as the answer? He looks scared of the goal these days.

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« Reply #1104 on: March 4, 2012, 11:36:26 PM »
Agree that physical attributes are important depending on how a team plays. Barcelona however practically play without a striker but they emphasize awareness, reading of the game and intelligence of movement (not sprinting), attributes that can't be completely disregarded in a striker.

Put it this way, is it better for a striker to fight it out with a defender or for the striker to take the defender out of the equation entirely?
you can only take the defender out of the equation with excellent running into space and insightful passing. Such passing is harder to do from a deep lying playmaker position no matter how easy Alonso made it look
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Re: Torres: Seriously, What Happened To Him?
« Reply #1105 on: March 4, 2012, 11:41:32 PM »
I can see what you're trying to say, but can you see how foolish it is to talk about a need for a player with composure in front of goal and mention Torres as the answer? He looks scared of the goal these days.

Exactly, he's scared and that's the only thing holding him back.

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Re: Torres: Seriously, What Happened To Him?
« Reply #1106 on: March 4, 2012, 11:43:10 PM »
you can only take the defender out of the equation with excellent running into space and insightful passing. Such passing is harder to do from a deep lying playmaker position no matter how easy Alonso made it look

And why do you want to only pass from a deep lying position, that's why i said it depends on how the team plays.

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Re: Torres: Seriously, What Happened To Him?
« Reply #1107 on: March 4, 2012, 11:43:34 PM »
Agree that physical attributes are important depending on how a team plays. Barcelona however practically play without a striker but they emphasize awareness, reading of the game and intelligence of movement (not sprinting), attributes that can't be completely disregarded in a striker.

Put it this way, is it better for a striker to fight it out with a defender or for the striker to take the defender out of the equation entirely?

I don't think that's right for our system though. We are screaming out for a pacey, traditional, number nine. The kind of player Torres once was. Barcelona have a wealth of intelligent midfielders/second strikers, we don't. We have a number of midfielders with next to no spacial awareness or ability to get into the penalty area. We need a focal point who can score goals.
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Re: Torres: Seriously, What Happened To Him?
« Reply #1108 on: March 4, 2012, 11:48:40 PM »
I don't think that's right for our system though. We are screaming out for a pacey, traditional, number nine. The kind of player Torres once was. Barcelona have a wealth of intelligent midfielders/second strikers, we don't. We have a number of midfielders with next to no spacial awareness or ability to get into the penalty area. We need a focal point who can score goals.

At this moment in time, i do think your right on that point.

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Re: Torres: Seriously, What Happened To Him?
« Reply #1109 on: March 4, 2012, 11:53:23 PM »
And why do you want to only pass from a deep lying position, that's why i said it depends on how the team plays
I was hinting that it would help not only but the pressing game but pass completion and the striker if the playmaker could play further upfield, (not everyone's as good as Alonso).

I think that may have been Rafa's thinking when he started looking for a more advanced playmaker than Alonso..... water under the bridge now.
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Re: Torres: Seriously, What Happened To Him?
« Reply #1110 on: March 5, 2012, 04:10:51 AM »


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Re: Torres: Seriously, What Happened To Him?
« Reply #1111 on: March 5, 2012, 06:06:29 AM »
Talk about being a fucking albatross. He's saw three managers off in the last 14 months. The only constant in all of those sackings is that he's been shite.
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Re: Torres: Seriously, What Happened To Him?
« Reply #1112 on: March 5, 2012, 10:03:51 AM »
After seeing that QPR documentary last night, I can only imagine what chaos was going on behind the scenes at our club in the 09/10 season and moreso towards the end. When he said "the fans don't know the full story", then I can kind of guess what kind of mess behind the scenes at the club was.

Still, saying that, things were different at the time he actually left and he should've given Kenny and the new owners a chance but I think his mind was made up months before.
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Re: Torres: Seriously, What Happened To Him?
« Reply #1113 on: March 5, 2012, 10:06:49 AM »
After seeing that QPR documentary last night, I can only imagine what chaos was going on behind the scenes at our club in the 09/10 season and moreso towards the end. When he said "the fans don't know the full story", then I can kind of guess what kind of mess behind the scenes at the club was.

Still, saying that, things were different at the time he actually left and he should've given Kenny and the new owners a chance but I think his mind was made up months before.

He did it at the wrong time and the stupid comments after is the only reason I have a problem with him. No doubt the club fucked him over. He will bring out a book later in life that will explain it all I bet.

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Re: Torres: Seriously, What Happened To Him?
« Reply #1114 on: March 6, 2012, 02:45:02 PM »
I saw a stat that Torres is averaging 1.6 goals per manager at Chelsea.

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Re: Torres: Seriously, What Happened To Him?
« Reply #1115 on: March 6, 2012, 02:51:29 PM »
I think if Rafa goes to Chelsea, Torres will stay , if not I tend to think he will go back to Spain

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Re: Torres: Seriously, What Happened To Him?
« Reply #1116 on: March 6, 2012, 03:05:47 PM »
I saw a stat that Torres is averaging 1.6 goals per manager at Chelsea.

Well 5/3 is 1.6 so its probably right  ;)

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Re: Torres: Seriously, What Happened To Him?
« Reply #1117 on: March 6, 2012, 03:49:17 PM »
Talk about being a fucking albatross. He's saw three managers off in the last 14 months. The only constant in all of those sackings is that he's been shite.

How many did Sheva see through?

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The comparisons between the two are very similar both big money, both I doubt the managers didn't want them.

Torres Games: 49      Goals: 5        Cost: 50 million
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Wonder if he will hit double figures this season if he can get off the bench?
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Re: Torres: Seriously, What Happened To Him?
« Reply #1118 on: March 6, 2012, 03:51:19 PM »
Well 5/3 is 1.6 so its probably right  ;)

I was never doubting it, I was just pointing it out.
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Re: Torres: Seriously, What Happened To Him?
« Reply #1119 on: March 6, 2012, 05:06:17 PM »
I'd swop him for Carroll all day.
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