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Re: Torres: Seriously, What Happened To Him?
« Reply #1280 on: March 11, 2012, 07:20:34 PM »
I hate him so much, I enjoy seeing him fail so much at Chelsea ....but I'd still take him back. Godammit what's wrong with me!
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Re: Torres: Seriously, What Happened To Him?
« Reply #1281 on: March 11, 2012, 07:28:20 PM »
In that case, we should sign back Aldo or Rush.

No offence mate, I honestly don't see why we should contemplate the idea of getting Torres back.

As I've said earlier in the thread, there are so many targets I would rather have than him. If we're on a budget though and can't get a high profile top quality striker because we're looking to strengthen in other areas then I would take a punt if we could get him for £15m or less. I genuinely believe he'd score at least 20 goals in a season for us again. On the flip side, if he wanted to come here and we had other targets we'd got, I wouldn't mind having him back as a squad striker because he'd be a fucking class option to have to come off the bench or to start certain games.

You need 2-3 good strikers in the squad to win the league. We only had 1 when we finished 08/09 in second place, if we'd have had another one then we would've won the league. United won it and look at the strikers they had that season, Tevez, Rooney and Ronaldo. If we had Suarez, Torres and another top quality striker, we'd be well amongst the goals and much higher in the league. We can't just have one player who's absolute quality leading the line like we had before (I know we had financial restraints...) and for that reason I think it would be worth it, particularly as we know what we can get with him.
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Re: Torres: Seriously, What Happened To Him?
« Reply #1282 on: March 11, 2012, 07:29:21 PM »
If Aldo or Rush were 28 we should be making serious offers :P
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Re: Torres: Seriously, What Happened To Him?
« Reply #1283 on: March 11, 2012, 07:29:54 PM »
The only thing is that may have been damaged between them two with all that happened when he left (all the rumours about Torres leaving Kenny's office in tears and all that).

Still think he would get back to his normal self back here though.

At the time of Torres' departure, there was this great article by Sid Lowe on the matter. Unfortunately, it was not published in the Guardian, but in the Sports Illustrated, another newspaper that he writes for. Here it is:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/sid_lowe/02/03/fernando.torres/index.html

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Re: Torres: Seriously, What Happened To Him?
« Reply #1284 on: March 11, 2012, 07:38:50 PM »
I wish he'd never have left, but I wouldn't take him back now. He's not the same anymore. Not only on the pitch but as a person, he's not the man we loved.
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Re: Torres: Seriously, What Happened To Him?
« Reply #1285 on: March 11, 2012, 08:30:51 PM »
Wouldn't take him back. He's poison in the locker room and a sulky mess. even if he becomes a better player he still has those flaws.
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Re: Torres: Seriously, What Happened To Him?
« Reply #1286 on: March 11, 2012, 08:34:40 PM »
At the time of Torres' departure, there was this great article by Sid Lowe on the matter. Unfortunately, it was not published in the Guardian, but in the Sports Illustrated, another newspaper that he writes for. Here it is:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/sid_lowe/02/03/fernando.torres/index.html

You should post the entire text of that. It confirms everything I've said and should make some here realize the truth is not clear cut.
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Re: Torres: Seriously, What Happened To Him?
« Reply #1287 on: March 11, 2012, 08:42:07 PM »
Wouldn't take him back. He's poison in the locker room and a sulky mess. even if he becomes a better player he still has those flaws.

I dont see how he was poison in the dressing room, yes he was moody because he was unhappy at being fooked around by the club and Purslow, I'm not defending the lad but he was promised all kinds and the owners sold him (and the club) down the river. In his pomp he was the most deadly striker on the planet, and I believe that was because he knew he was loved by us all. Fast forward to now and I strongly believe that the root of his problems is he regrets walking out on the club and wishes he hadnt.
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Re: Torres: Seriously, What Happened To Him?
« Reply #1288 on: March 11, 2012, 08:47:10 PM »
I dont see how he was poison in the dressing room, yes he was moody because he was unhappy at being fooked around by the club and Purslow, I'm not defending the lad but he was promised all kinds and the owners sold him (and the club) down the river. In his pomp he was the most deadly striker on the planet, and I believe that was because he knew he was loved by us all. Fast forward to now and I strongly believe that the root of his problems is he regrets walking out on the club and wishes he hadnt.
The stain of Hicks and Gilette will be on his club for a long time. They fucked the fans, players and the previous manager.
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Re: Torres: Seriously, What Happened To Him?
« Reply #1289 on: March 11, 2012, 08:54:22 PM »
You should post the entire text of that. It confirms everything I've said and should make some here realize the truth is not clear cut.

Posted: Thursday February 3, 2011
Sid Lowe>INSIDE SOCCER

Torres' exit leaves a bitter taste

By the time Fernando Torres actually signed his contract with Chelsea on Monday, there were less than 15 minutes of the transfer window remaining. The clock was ticking, and when he put pen to paper, there was relief more than joy. His situation had reached a point of no return, he was in a corner, and yet the risk of having to return felt real. At times during deadline day, Torres had doubted the deal would go through. But a tense and difficult day -- a tense and difficult few months -- finally ended well for Torres. He got what he wanted.

Well, sort of. This was not the way that the Spaniard had pictured it, nor the way he planned it. He didn't want to leave this way. Under different circumstances, he would have preferred not to leave at all. But the circumstances were what they were. They were not good. Liverpool was not what he thought Liverpool should be and he was not prepared to wait for the club to be once more. That, in a nutshell, is why he wanted to depart Anfield. In the end, the desire simply to leave -- and leave as soon as possible -- overshadowed all else.

Monday was a day of helicopters, tears and arguments, with obstacles to overcome. With each hurdle cleared, the finishing line drew nearer. The first and most significant, the price. Then there was the wait while Liverpool sought a replacement. Few were happier that Andy Carroll was joining Liverpool than the man whose No. 9 shirt he would take. Then there were negotiations over Sunday's clash -- the Reds didn't want Torres playing for Chelsea against them. Legally, that was impossible, but Liverpool sought an informal agreement. That was the one concession it did not get.

If Torres had any doubt as to the way Liverpool fans would receive him on Sunday, confirmation came with the images breathlessly beamed live by Sky Sports News and reproduced in newspapers everywhere. There they were burning his shirt, flames flickering around that No. 9.

The burning of a shirt is perhaps the ultimate in mob cliché, a powerful image gleefully seized upon by hungry cameras. You almost imagine the man behind the camera handing over a bottle of petrol, a box of matches and the shirt. And the chance to be on the telly. A smile and a How about it, lads? It is also an image that is more powerful, more symbolic than its real significance -- it only takes a couple of people, after all, yet it speaks for thousands.

While the image was manipulated, the anger and the hurt were genuine enough. And when Torres ill-advisedly used the phrase "big club" upon his arrival at Stamford Bridge, Liverpool supporters could hardly have been more annoyed, their pride pricked. Not least because they had elevated him to the status of a hero. It is always the ones you love who hurt you the most. Despite being disabused of the idea daily, despite players kissing the badge and declaring undying love only to move on, football fans want to believe that players are as loyal as they are. With few exceptions, that's impossible. It is also hard to take.

And yet with that phrase, Torres had actually uttered words of truth. His truth, for sure, but a truth. This move was not about money or betrayal. In fact, Torres himself felt betrayed. Wrongly, perhaps, but the sense of letdown was real. The frustration and anger had eaten at him for ages. Paradise was not what it first appeared. He has the move he wanted but he feels that he has lost the propaganda battle. He has certainly come out of this as the bad guy.

For Torres, this move was about ambition and desperation. It was about Chelsea being, in his words, a "big club" -- and a big club right now. It was about Liverpool not being one. Not anymore. And maybe not in the foreseeable future. It was about Torres' fear that his career could slip away from him. And indeed, if Liverpool does emerge stronger now, bolstered by the arrivals of Luis Suárez and Carroll, it might be Torres' departure that made that possible.

Torres knows that his connection with the Chelsea fans will not be what it was with Liverpool. Anfield had a greater impact on him than he could ever have imagined and vice versa; he was handed the kind of welcome he could only dream of.

As his brother admitted this week, in that sense, Chelsea is different. He did not say "not as good" but he might as well have done. Torres knows that. He is not lying when he says he watched videos about Liverpool's history or when he notes a connection between the club and his boyhood team, Atlético Madrid. When he dedicated his autobiography to "the best fans in the world," it was not entirely an act of cynicism -- even if it looks like it now.

But from Torres' point of view, the bottom line is very simple: Liverpool is not the club that he joined. And he is not the player. He is no longer a potential star of 23 years; he is a World Cup winner soon to turn 27. That is in part down to Liverpool, but he thinks he deserves better; Liverpool fans think they do too.

When Torres signed, he was a hugely talented striker but one about whom there were significant doubts. Liverpool had just reached a second Champions League final in three years. And with Torres in the side, it would finish fourth and reach the Champions League semifinal. The following season Liverpool finished second in the league -- closer to the title than it had been in almost 20 years. Then it started to go horribly wrong.

In December 2009, Torres was already warning that the club needed significant investment. "This year should have been a turning point for us," he told the English magazine FourFourTwo. "Manchester United sold Carlos Tevez and Cristiano Ronaldo, while Chelsea didn't sign anyone. We finished second last season; this season was a chance for us to do something great. But we have reached December and we're out of the Champions League, out of the Carling Cup and out of the league. We have virtually no chance of winning the title now."

"It's frustrating. It's now the owners' turn. They have to sign players so that this does not happen again. If we want to compete with United and Chelsea, we need a much, much more complete squad, we need more genuinely first-class players and we can't let our best players leave."

But they did leave. That warning went unheeded. The financial reality did not allow for investment. Liverpool had slipped out of contention and into debt. Spending on the squad reduced rapidly. The Reds no longer had a Champions League place and the pessimism, even resignation, took hold. Xabi Alonso had gone. Javier Mascherano had, too. Manager Rafa Benítez had gone. Some relationships had soured; in many eyes within the squad, Jamie Carragher went from inspirational defender to problem player. Captain Steven Gerrard was frustrated and injured. Even Torres had suffered an injury -- an injury whose handling had also caused a degree of friction. There was massive uncertainty, battles between manager and board, fans up in arms. The club would ultimately slip into a court battle over ownership.

By last summer, the situation was the opposite of what it had been when Torres signed. He had proved himself one of the best strikers in the world, the kind of player that Chelsea thought was worth £50 million ($80 million). The kind of player that should not have been playing in the Europa League. In his mind, his own culpability for that was not an issue. He had won a European Championship, scoring the winner in the final, and a World Cup (although that was tempered slightly by his limited role in South Africa). Liverpool hadn't won anything. The second-best side in Europe he'd joined was no more.

Bluntly, the Reds weren't very good. Even more bluntly, they weren't good enough for Torres. When he joined Liverpool, he looked up at the Anfield club. Now, he looked down at it and wondered what had happened. Yes, he had embraced the club, its history, its fans, its culture, but he wanted to win. Desperately. He was 26 (he will be 27 in March) and he had won nothing as a club player. Time was running away from him. He could not see how he would win anything with Liverpool.

Already in the summer, there had been two bids for Torres. One from Chelsea and one from Manchester City. The striker was told that he could not leave. Liverpool was in a sales process and could not lose its key assets. There were also bids for Pepe Reina and Steven Gerrard. They, too, were told that they could not depart. Torres was told that if things did not improve, he would be allowed to go; that in return for waiting a future departure would be facilitated, if necessary. But that assurance came from chief executive Christian Purslow -- who no longer has that role with the club. There was no written agreement.

When the sale of the club went through at the High Court in the autumn, there was hope. There was a renewed sense of collectiveness about the club, but some of the players did not necessarily share that. There was also frustration, sparked by the utter failure of the previous owners and still simmering. And those new hopes threatened to go unfulfilled. Under Roy Hodgson, a manager whose decisions Torres and other players could not understand, things were getting even worse on the pitch. Off the pitch, Liverpool's new owners were moving slowly. Sensibly, you might say.

But for a player who wanted more, already frustrated and irritable, already watching time slip away, it was not enough. Torres could see no reason to stay and no one was trying to persuade him to do so. Hodgson's sacking was not enough either. Where, Torres asked himself, was the investment? His perspective became strikingly short-term. There was no patience. What, he asked, am I going to be doing for the rest of this season? Fighting off relegation? That's not what I signed up for.

Chelsea's bid arrived late in the winter transfer window. The fact that Torres asked for Liverpool to negotiate and did so late, thus making securing an alternative harder still, is one of the reasons why supporters have been so angry with him. But the timing was not really down to Torres -- and while the transfer request ultimately was, even that is not as clear-cut as it appears.

The reason it all happened so late was simple: Chelsea feared that Manchester City would become involved and prompt an auction. It waited until City had signed Edin Dzeko, satisfying the club's striking needs, before making the bid. When Chelsea did, Liverpool told Torres. It would be naive to assume that Torres had no idea that there was a bid coming, no inkling of what was being cooked up. But he could not control it. Liverpool, for its part, could have rejected it and carried on regardless. Instead, it told the striker about the bid. To which he said: "OK, well, let's negotiate then."

Instead, Liverpool went public -- and it was Liverpool, not Torres or Chelsea, which went public -- to say that it had turned down the offer. In doing so, Liverpool forced Torres' hand. And rather than frightening Chelsea away for good, the Reds also forced up the price.

Torres was not sure he would get another chance to move to a club as competitive as Chelsea. He had not initially anticipated the bid this winter. Now he was being presented with an opportunity. If he turned it down, he feared being trapped. Would that train pass through the station again? If he waited until the summer and there still wasn't any optimism at Liverpool, if he had endured a mediocre season, would anyone come in for him then? Would he be stuck? Between a Champions League campaign or a relegation battle, the choice was obvious -- if shortsighted. If Alonso and Mascherano had gone, why shouldn't he?

Torres had hoped for a negotiated departure. He had no interest in forcing an exit that brought flames to his shirt. Alonso remains popular. Going to Chelsea made that impossible for Torres, but he hoped to be tolerated and understood.

Liverpool's owners, on the other hand, saw no reason why they should allow him to leave as a victim. A sale might not be a bad idea -- but on their terms. They were sensitive to the reaction of fans. They needed it to be clear that it was the players' fault, that they had had little choice but to sell, even if they wanted to. They would have preferred to keep him, for sure, but this was not a bad option. By revealing that there was a chance to leave and then taking it away, they flushed him out. They forced him to make the next, potentially damaging move.

That, certainly, was Torres' perception. He felt promises had been broken about investment and that there was little reason for optimism. There was just inertia. He felt that Liverpool should have persuaded him to stay, enthused him with its plans. But it never did. Luis Suárez's arrival was viewed from the outside as exactly that, as a gesture -- a symbol of the club's ambition. But Torres viewed it merely as confirmation that the club was already counting on the money from his sale. That, in fact, given that he no longer appeared committed to the club, Liverpool didn't mind the idea of having him moving on.

Make no mistake, Torres wanted that sale, too, and there was only one way to make it happen. He handed in a transfer request. The cards were on the table. Ultimately, Torres got what he wanted: a move to Chelsea. But so did Liverpool's owners: They sold an unhappy player, raised £50 million ($80 million) in return, and had themselves a bad guy. They acted quickly and effectively to replace him, reinforcing their status in the eyes of supporters. For just £8 million ($13 million), they looked bold and ambitious where before it had been precisely the apparent lack of ambition and decisiveness -- or, perhaps more accurately, economic capability -- that hastened their demise. There were no U.S. flags burning this time as there had been under George Gillet and Tom Hicks -- the real villains in Liverpool's recent history. Instead, there was a Torres shirt.

Fernando Torres, Liverpool's No. 9. Now Chelsea's. It doesn't really have the same ring to it. He had become such an idol; now he is a fallen one, loathed where once he was loved. In the end, everyone was happy. But deep down, no one was.

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/sid_lowe/02/03/fernando.torres/index.html#ixzz1oqMAaMME

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Re: Torres: Seriously, What Happened To Him?
« Reply #1290 on: March 11, 2012, 11:18:14 PM »


Pretty sad article :( really does sum up our decline over the last few seasons.
I just wish that FSG had come in earlier or the Suarez deal was tied up earlier and we'd still have our Nando.
Both our season and his have proven something:

We need him. He needs us.

It's not too late to right a wrong.
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Re: Torres: Seriously, What Happened To Him?
« Reply #1291 on: March 11, 2012, 11:22:17 PM »
Posted: Thursday February 3, 2011
Sid Lowe>INSIDE SOCCER

Torres' exit leaves a bitter taste

.....For Torres, this move was about ambition and desperation. It was about Chelsea being, in his words, a "big club" -- and a big club right now. It was about Liverpool not being one. Not anymore. And maybe not in the foreseeable future. It was about Torres' fear that his career could slip away from him. And indeed, if Liverpool does emerge stronger now, bolstered by the arrivals of Luis Suárez and Carroll, it might be Torres' departure that made that possible.

But from Torres' point of view, the bottom line is very simple: Liverpool is not the club that he joined. And he is not the player. He is no longer a potential star of 23 years; he is a World Cup winner soon to turn 27. That is in part down to Liverpool, but he thinks he deserves better; Liverpool fans think they do too.......

Whatever. As the saying goes, "when the going gets tough, the tough get going". He was happy to join us when we were reaching the finals of the Championsleague 2 out of 3 years and winning one along the way, but as soon as he realised that it was going to be a lot harder than he expected, he fled just as soon as he could to a "top club" where he could bask in the comfort of knowing they were sure to make it a lot easier for him to win trophies.......

Maybe if I was a professional football player with a time scale of  10 or so years at my job, with only 4+ years at my peak, I might respect the decision making of Torres. But I'm not. And as a fan (atleast in my opinion!) I can honestly say I lost all respect for him last year, and I hope he continues his wayward ways in front of goal for as long as possible.

And no. If a Torres transfer return was potentially down the road and if it was in my hands, I would not welcome him back at Liverpool. Life isn't easy, and going through tough times builds character. If he wanted to come back to Liverpool I'd assume it was simply because he felt it would be a safer bet for him to return to his scoring ways and nothing to do with the club.

And for all those trying to defend Torres by stating he was was potentially wasting his prime years during Liverpool's reign of Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum and therefore it was understandable that he would seek a move to a club that could match his ambitions, understand that by the age of 26 Torres had already won the World Cup AND European Cup. It wasn't like he was going to be a foregotten footnote in European history.

Surely he could have had the patience to wait 6 more months.

In the meanwhile, I'd much rather we searched for younger, hungrier players to join us with strong mentalities (case example; Lucas)
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Re: Torres: Seriously, What Happened To Him?
« Reply #1292 on: March 11, 2012, 11:28:53 PM »
And he has a strange red face. I wouldn't take him on a free. He was brilliant at Liverpool, now he's become an embarrassment for Chelsea and himself. I feel sorry for the bloke, but he shot himself in the foot leaving Liverpool, so fuck him.

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Re: Torres: Seriously, What Happened To Him?
« Reply #1293 on: March 11, 2012, 11:31:54 PM »
And he has a strange red face. I wouldn't take him on a free. He was brilliant at Liverpool, now he's become an embarrassment for Chelsea and himself. I feel sorry for the bloke, but he shot himself in the foot leaving Liverpool, so fuck him.
My feelings exactly.

Is there a real chance of him missing out on Spain's Euro 2012 squad?

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Re: Torres: Seriously, What Happened To Him?
« Reply #1294 on: March 11, 2012, 11:40:03 PM »
No one came out a winner on the Torres trade; not the player, not his former, nor his current club, no one.

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Re: Torres: Seriously, What Happened To Him?
« Reply #1295 on: March 11, 2012, 11:51:35 PM »
No one came out a winner on the Torres trade; not the player, not his former, nor his current club, no one.

Actually, that is a very accurate observation.

Torres was wrong to demand a departure. LFC were wrong to let him go.

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Re: Torres: Seriously, What Happened To Him?
« Reply #1296 on: March 12, 2012, 12:02:50 AM »
And he has a strange red face. I wouldn't take him on a free. He was brilliant at Liverpool, now he's become an embarrassment for Chelsea and himself. I feel sorry for the bloke, but he shot himself in the foot leaving Liverpool, so fuck him.

You're kidding right? Any football team in the world would take Torres on a free, just needs to gain his confidence back, easier said than done but that's all he needs.

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Re: Torres: Seriously, What Happened To Him?
« Reply #1297 on: March 12, 2012, 12:07:01 AM »
Actually, that is a very accurate observation.

Torres was wrong to demand a departure. LFC were wrong to let him go.

Agreed! It was desperation that provoked Torres to ask for a move an faux pride that allowed us to say yes.

Aston Villa kept Barry for another season. Spurs kept Modric. He'll we even kept Reina, and Mascherano when he initially wanted to leave.
The money we got from Torres' departure has hardly propelled us into he CL (or a CL spot). to be honest I think we got a bad deal in the end.
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Re: Torres: Seriously, What Happened To Him?
« Reply #1298 on: March 12, 2012, 12:16:35 AM »
You're kidding right? Any football team in the world would take Torres on a free, just needs to gain his confidence back, easier said than done but that's all he needs.
Ok mate, a free maybe. But his stock must be going down at an alarming rate. As I said, I feel sorry for him, but he made a big mistake in my opinion.

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Re: Torres: Seriously, What Happened To Him?
« Reply #1299 on: March 12, 2012, 12:22:22 AM »
My feelings exactly.

Is there a real chance of him missing out on Spain's Euro 2012 squad?
I reckon so, would Spain want a striker who can't score? He's so badly lacking confidence.

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Re: Torres: Seriously, What Happened To Him?
« Reply #1300 on: March 12, 2012, 12:25:03 AM »
I dont see how he was poison in the dressing room, yes he was moody because he was unhappy at being fooked around by the club and Purslow, I'm not defending the lad but he was promised all kinds and the owners sold him (and the club) down the river. In his pomp he was the most deadly striker on the planet, and I believe that was because he knew he was loved by us all. Fast forward to now and I strongly believe that the root of his problems is he regrets walking out on the club and wishes he hadnt.
This I agree with. I'd take him back tomorrow and I think if he did return he'd score goals for us. Rent boys really are the wrong club for him.

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Re: Torres: Seriously, What Happened To Him?
« Reply #1301 on: March 12, 2012, 12:35:19 AM »
I dont see how he was poison in the dressing room, yes he was moody because he was unhappy at being fooked around by the club and Purslow, I'm not defending the lad but he was promised all kinds and the owners sold him (and the club) down the river. In his pomp he was the most deadly striker on the planet, and I believe that was because he knew he was loved by us all. Fast forward to now and I strongly believe that the root of his problems is he regrets walking out on the club and wishes he hadnt.
This I agree with. I'd take him back tomorrow and I think if he did return he'd score goals for us. Rent boys really are the wrong club for him.
If he were to come back I don't think the fans would back him.
I'm sure he would put out a statement saying he was wrong to leave or even a full apology. But I don't think that would be enough for some. Without the patient and total support of fans I think he'd have a hard time regaining his touch here.
Also you have to think, we don't have the pass master that is Alonso. Neither do we play a high pressing game. Together those three things are needed to bring the best out in Torres.
Unconditional support,
Fast passing game
High pressing game

Add to that we still can't quantify Rafa's contribution to making Torres the player he was.
Goodbye & thank you Rafa. You've given us more than we ever had a right to expect from you and you stayed loyal and fought for us even when some of our own turned on you. I truly hope that you find somewhere with the support that you deserve & win everything in sight.

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Re: Torres: Seriously, What Happened To Him?
« Reply #1302 on: March 12, 2012, 12:55:27 AM »
I don't care what anyone else says, but I'd bring him back!
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Re: Torres: Seriously, What Happened To Him?
« Reply #1303 on: March 12, 2012, 01:19:57 AM »
No one came out a winner on the Torres trade; not the player, not his former, nor his current club, no one.

incorrect. Newcastle United were laughin their fuckin bollocks off!!
i'd have Nando back in a heartbeat, the love is tainted but if he scored us the goals required then the good of this club is bigger than the bruising of our ego's when he left.
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Re: Torres: Seriously, What Happened To Him?
« Reply #1304 on: March 12, 2012, 01:51:13 AM »
Don't think he would score the goals, doubt he's got one good season in him, not in England anyway, and he doesn't look much like he cares.
He's definitely 'melting', which is the technical term I believe, for players passing their physical peak. He's done that, at an early age, but has no other abilities - no caginess, or strategy wisdom, or creative-making bits - to overcome his loss of dynamic pace, acceleration. Happens with strikers a lot, and it's happened with better than him. Like Fowler, that was a real loss.
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Re: Torres: Seriously, What Happened To Him?
« Reply #1305 on: March 12, 2012, 06:37:20 AM »
Actually, that is a very accurate observation.

Torres was wrong to demand a departure. LFC were wrong to let him go.
This sums up my feelings on the matter. It was ridiculous for us to let me go like that, transfer request or not.

I would take him back, but I very much doubt that is going to happen. I just hope we make the right signings this summer unlike the previous windows.

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Re: Torres: Seriously, What Happened To Him?
« Reply #1306 on: March 12, 2012, 07:23:29 AM »
Posted: Thursday February 3, 2011
Sid Lowe>INSIDE SOCCER

Some relationships had soured; in many eyes within the squad, Jamie Carragher went from inspirational defender to problem player.

Surprised no one picked up on this yet. In all honesty I think Carra crossed the line, starting from the time he refused to play right-back under Rafa. Make no mistake, I recognize all his achievements for the club but I feel that he never really lived up as a good example for others in the squad to follow. His silence while others like Reina, Torres were expressing misgivings (more or less fighting the fan's corner) was a big let down for me personally.
He's a big-headed, boring, talentless, guileless, clueless, finger sniffing, face rubbing, 4-4-2 playing, bullshitting, media loving, Ferguson noshing, clunge rocket of a man, and I fucking love being smalltime when it comes to saying so.

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Re: Torres: Seriously, What Happened To Him?
« Reply #1307 on: March 12, 2012, 12:50:29 PM »
I thought we could have maybe convinced him to stay, proved that the new owners were willing to spend money and give him a reason to stay, but take a chance and loan him back to Atlético for the rest of the season to try and recover confidence and form from when he first arrived at Liverpool.

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Re: Torres: Seriously, What Happened To Him?
« Reply #1308 on: March 12, 2012, 01:12:49 PM »
What happened to no player bigger than the club?

If it was feasible to resign him without breaking the bank then we should.

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Re: Torres: Seriously, What Happened To Him?
« Reply #1309 on: March 12, 2012, 01:13:49 PM »
At the time of Torres' departure, there was this great article by Sid Lowe on the matter. Unfortunately, it was not published in the Guardian, but in the Sports Illustrated, another newspaper that he writes for. Here it is:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/sid_lowe/02/03/fernando.torres/index.html

Cracking read. Cant defend the lad but the truth isnt fully out there.
He has moved on and he would never come back here and I wouldnt want him to.

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Re: Torres: Seriously, What Happened To Him?
« Reply #1310 on: March 12, 2012, 01:20:01 PM »
This sums up my feelings on the matter. It was ridiculous for us to let me go like that, transfer request or not.

I would take him back, but I very much doubt that is going to happen. I just hope we make the right signings this summer unlike the previous windows.

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Re: Torres: Seriously, What Happened To Him?
« Reply #1311 on: March 12, 2012, 01:29:08 PM »
I thought we could have maybe convinced him to stay, proved that the new owners were willing to spend money and give him a reason to stay, but take a chance and loan him back to Atlético for the rest of the season to try and recover confidence and form from when he first arrived at Liverpool.

Why would Atletico take him? They have Falcao and Adrian scoring regularly for them.

As highly as he is revered there, they have no room for sentiment. They're pushing for a CL place.

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Re: Torres: Seriously, What Happened To Him?
« Reply #1312 on: March 12, 2012, 01:36:17 PM »
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Re: Torres: Seriously, What Happened To Him?
« Reply #1313 on: March 12, 2012, 01:40:51 PM »
And he has a strange red face. I wouldn't take him on a free. He was brilliant at Liverpool, now he's become an embarrassment for Chelsea and himself. I feel sorry for the bloke, but he shot himself in the foot leaving Liverpool, so fuck him.
Agree.

And I dont feel that article makes him look any better.

I honestly believe had he stayed till the summer he would have banged in a good few more goals.  All the signs were there that he would based on how he played in those few games under Dalglish.

Two things therefore could have happened with him in the side:

- we get the extra points and we qualified for the Champions League which would have been deemed as a huge success and definitely an upward spiral for the club.
- we dont qualify for Europe as has happened.

If the second had happened I've no doubt in my mind that Torres would still have been held in high esteem by other clubs and would still have gotten his 'dream move'.

I dont buy the 'had to be then' reason.

It really really didnt.

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Re: Torres: Seriously, What Happened To Him?
« Reply #1314 on: March 12, 2012, 01:52:16 PM »
I hope his footballing career is filled with more misfortune, the fucking twat.

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Re: Torres: Seriously, What Happened To Him?
« Reply #1315 on: March 12, 2012, 03:23:42 PM »
Why would Atletico take him? They have Falcao and Adrian scoring regularly for them.

As highly as he is revered there, they have no room for sentiment. They're pushing for a CL place.
Well if they took him on loan he might have recovered form and started scoring more often? then Atlético would have 3 strikers to choose from in scoring form BUT thats if he recovered in form and IF they wanted to take him on loan for half of last years season. Just an option though.

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Re: Torres: Seriously, What Happened To Him?
« Reply #1316 on: March 12, 2012, 04:12:28 PM »
As much as I loved him while he was here, I wouldn't want him back. This ship has sailed. And even if he came back, I doubt all the hard feelings would be forgotten easily. I remember him sulking on the pitch and yes, these were bad times back then, but I assume not many people would be as forgiving as they were while he was with us. It would all end in tears pretty soon, unless Torres would rediscover his best form. It's getting harder and harder to believe he will.

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Re: Torres: Seriously, What Happened To Him?
« Reply #1317 on: March 12, 2012, 04:26:18 PM »
I dont want him back.From my point of view he has clearly just lost it.Im pretty sure this is permanent.Its not only just lack of form.He is done.Its not the first time it has happend in history of the game.I knew of one Gary Birtles who played for the mancs in the 70/80s,he scored for fun at Forest,mancs bought him for a record fee and he just stopped scoring and never found back to earlier form.If i remember correct something similar happend to their Neil Webb as well.So,no,let him rotten in Chelsea as he deserves
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Re: Torres: Seriously, What Happened To Him?
« Reply #1318 on: March 12, 2012, 04:26:57 PM »
At the time of Torres' departure, there was this great article by Sid Lowe on the matter. Unfortunately, it was not published in the Guardian, but in the Sports Illustrated, another newspaper that he writes for. Here it is:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/sid_lowe/02/03/fernando.torres/index.html

Lowe was being briefed by Torres's people. Bucket of salt and all that.

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Re: Torres: Seriously, What Happened To Him?
« Reply #1319 on: March 12, 2012, 04:40:27 PM »
I think Torres marks the high point where we can afford to take the stance that a player of his caliber isn't bigger than the club.

When we don't get CL football this season, and possibly the next, we will have to resort to smaller club's tactics i.e. O'Neill with Barry. We simply can no longer afford to jettison world class players over matters of principle. That ship has sailed.
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