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Torres: Seriously, What Happened To Him?
« on: February 20, 2012, 02:07:33 PM »
Summer 2008 and Fernando Torres had just completed his stunning debut season for Liverpool, with 33 goals in 46 appearances, setting a new record for the most prolific foreign goal scorer ever in a debut season in England. Then he scored the only goal in the European Championship Final for Spain, marking a man of the match performance.

"It's just a dream come true. This is my first title and I hope it's the first of many. Victory in a Euro, it is almost as big as a World Cup. We are used to watching finals on television, but today we were here and we won. My job is to score goals. I want to win more titles and be the most important player in Europe and the world."

Fast forward to 2010 and Torres was part of the Spanish World Cup winning side but only just, after an injury plagued lead in. Common consent was that he was a square peg in the round holes of the Barca driven machine and he contributed little to his medal. His last half season at Liverpool under Mr Hodgson saw him net 9 goals in 26 appearances, pretty respectable numbers.

And then he went to Chelsea. So far this season, he has had two goals in 20 games. He was given a free run at the centre forward slot while Drogba was at the African Cup and he didn't take it, and that brings us right up to last weekend when he was brutally (some say mercifully) hauled ashore at half time against a lower division back line who had him in their pockets.

He's 27, entering what should be the prime of his career. Was he used up too quickly? Perhaps we have another Michael Owen here. Both started top flight football at a precocious age, both had afterburner speed and clinical finishing and both seem to run out of puff at around the same age.

Any ideas?

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Re: Torres: Seriously, What Happened To Him?
« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2012, 02:12:50 PM »
Has to be the injury he suffered season before the World Cup.

Nothing else explains the complete loss of pace. Injuries end legendary careers, overnight.
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Re: Torres: Seriously, What Happened To Him?
« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2012, 02:17:20 PM »
There's also the fact that some players can just do it for certain clubs and not for others.
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Re: Torres: Seriously, What Happened To Him?
« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2012, 02:19:27 PM »
Here's an edited extract from John Carlin's piece from the FT (which may have prompted corkboy's thread):


Chelsea’s £50m striker has fallen prey to the malaise that every sportsman dreads: a catastrophic and inexplicable loss of form. But why does this happen to top athletes and how can they recover? ?

You’ve been bought by a big club for a big fee. Your job is to score goals. One game passes, two, three, four and you haven’t scored. Five, six: still nothing. The goalposts seem to get narrower every game. Your coach comes up to you and says he has total faith in you, which is worse, because now you know that he knows you’re playing crap. You play at an away stadium and the rival fans sing, ‘What a waste of money!’ and the awful thing is that you suspect they are right.

“Then your own fans begin to mutter and you know they are right too. They become your conscience. You don’t want to leave the house to go shopping, much less to a pub, for fear of what people might say to you or of the looks you might get – scornful or, worse, pitying. You hide off the pitch and you start hiding on it. You stop looking for the ball, you drift off to the wings, shunning the goalscoring positions for fear that if a chance comes your way, you’ll fluff it. Your mum calls, ‘How are you, darling, all right?’ And you know she knows too … ”

This is not Fernando Torres talking; not the Spanish goal-scorer bought by Chelsea for a record English transfer fee of £50 million just over a year ago, since when he has succumbed to a malaise every professional competitor dreads – a calamitous and inexplicable loss of form. Torres scored just five goals in his first 12 months, at a team that has won nothing since his arrival. He has become the epitome of failure in sport.

No, Torres does not want to talk right now, his agent told me. Not in public. The person quoted here is Michael Robinson, a retired footballer who knows Torres and who, by reliving sensations from his own past, offers a likely glimpse of the torments that have assailed the 27-year-old Spaniard for the greater part of these past 12 months. Robinson was recalling what he himself went through after he was bought in 1983 by Torres’ previous club, Liverpool, for what was then the impressive sum of £250,000. His job was also to score goals but Robinson, who ended his footballing career in Spain, went eight games without finding the back of the net. Then he did score, and then he scored again, and again, and in his first season Liverpool won the game’s most coveted “double”, the English championship and the European Cup.



No such luck for Torres. Nothing in his career foreshadowed such a slump. Signed by Atlético Madrid, one of Spain’s six biggest clubs, when he was 11, he made good on his early promise by making his debut in the first team at the age of 17. Mature far beyond his years, he was named team captain two years later, when he also made his debut for the Spanish national team. That was in 2003. Four years later, Liverpool signed him. Adapting admirably to the rough and tumble of Premier League football, he quickly came to be regarded by the English cognoscenti as the complete centre forward: tall, lithe, elegant, whippet fast, positionally canny, strong in the air and as lethal a goal-scorer with his left foot as with his right. In June 2008 he scored the winning goal for Spain against Germany in the final of the European championships. In January 2011, fatefully, he left Liverpool for Chelsea.

Since then, the dreaded chant “What a waste of money!” has reverberated around every away stadium where he has shown his face. The newspapers shriek “Torres: the worst transfer ever!” and remind him almost daily of how many minutes – over a thousand by mid-February – he has gone without scoring. The Chelsea fans have stuck stubbornly by him, which Torres has said is his biggest incentive to start scoring again. But that is a burden too. As for his coach, André Villas-Boas, a recent remark might have sounded to Torres’ ears more like a kiss of death than a vote of confidence. “We still believe in the player,” he said. “But he is taking his time.”


Things began to fall apart for Torres after he underwent a knee operation in January 2010, while still at Liverpool. Not fully match fit, he forced himself to play in the World Cup in South Africa in June that year. Spain were the favourites to win the competition and he was by far the most globally celebrated player in the team. Many anticipated that he would be the star of the tournament. He wasn’t. He failed to score and he played miserably. On as a substitute towards the end of the final, which Spain won, he had to leave the pitch within minutes with a groin injury. Torres hobbled around the pitch during the post-match celebration but he wore what seemed to be a wan smile on his face. He knew, as well as everybody in the world watching, that Spain had been crowned champions not because of him, but despite him.

The resumption of the English season in August saw no improvement but his reputation remained sufficiently solid for Chelsea not only to weigh in for him five months later with that record-breaking fee, but to pay him a salary of £10 million a year, very close to the amount earned by the game’s two outstanding superstars, Lionel Messi of Barcelona and Cristiano Ronaldo of Real Madrid. What this amounts to is that in the 12 months following his move to Chelsea he scored at a rate of £2 million per goal. The five goals he scored in this period stand in reproachful contrast to the 20 he had averaged per season at Liverpool.


One moment this season, seared into the memory of every Chelsea supporter and of all football fans with compassion in their hearts, captured his plight in excruciating technicolour. It was a match last September away to Manchester United. Chelsea were losing 3-1 but were playing well: the feeling was that they could go on and win the game. Torres found himself with the ball at his feet and only the goalkeeper to beat, which he did, rounding him with panache. Now all he had to do was tuck the ball into an empty net. His miscue was as horrible as it was inexplicable. At the very moment when he had the easiest of chances to put his team back into the game, he did what in golf they call a “shank”: the ball shot off the outside of his left foot, missing the post by a full three feet. Torres appeared instantly to grasp the enormity of his failure and the global resonance those video images would have. In an unusual display of despair – he is the most impassive of footballers normally – he dropped to his knees and sank his head into the turf. The Manchester United fans behind him howled with laughter.

The malady to which Torres has so spectacularly succumbed is familiar to all people who play sports but is far more keenly felt by those who do so for a living. Those likely to be worst hit are the ones who play individual games, such as tennis or golf, or occupy positions in a team where they find themselves under special scrutiny, such as the taker of the penalty kicks in rugby, the star batsman in a cricket team, the striker or goalkeeper in football. Watching a once mighty sports professional lose form is always a grimly fascinating spectacle, all the more so because it is something with which everybody, to some degree, is able to identify. We all feel Torres’ pain because we all fear the notion of things going catastrophically haywire in our working lives.

Two American sports psychologists I spoke to agreed that there was something universally recognisable in the Torres syndrome. But neither thought that there was any walk of life where the pressure was felt with greater intensity than in top-level sport. John Murray, who defines himself as a specialist in helping sports personalities remove anxiety and build confidence, suggested that a comparison might be made with air traffic controllers and Wall Street day traders. “But even they are not affected to the degree that, say, a top golfer is when he has to make that big putt, knowing the world is watching,” Murray said. William Wiener, an expert in cognitive behavioural therapy, said that all people struggled at times with “performance anxiety” but that the problem was magnified immeasurably in the case of a “very highly paid athlete who is very much under the miscroscope and who, let’s not forget, is invariably a very young man.”

. . .

The mysteries of form may reside in the subconscious but it also appears to be true that the problem is worsened by thinking too much and, as a likely consequence, trying too hard. On this point Stransky, the two American sports psychologists and also a couple of other people I spoke to, in the football and tennis worlds, were all in agreement.


How willing is Torres to admit what would seem to be the screamingly obvious, that he is undergoing a crisis of confidence? Not very, judging from what both his agent and a close friend of his told me. At best, there appears to be some ambiguity on the matter. His friend, who preferred not to be identified in print, said he had seen him recently in Madrid with his family and he had looked “neither torn nor pained”. “He is tranquilo. He accepts what’s happening as something normal in football and believes it has to do with Chelsea’s style of play,” the friend said. Besides, the friend added, he had been playing really well since the start of the new year and hit the bar with a fantastic overhead kick that, had it gone in, “would have been goal of the season”. Nevertheless, the friend did seem to suggest the possibility of something going on in Torres’ mind too when he proposed that perhaps Liverpool had “laid the evil eye on him” . “It’s tough, sure. He spent eight games as a substitute at the end of last year. That had never happened to him, not even as a child.”

It is hard to imagine that that experience would not have sapped his confidence but Torres’ agent, Antonio Sanz, insisted on the same line, for the most part, as the unnamed friend. “The reading I make of all this, and that we understand is the right one, is that it is purely a footballing question,” Sanz said. “Two coaches at Chelsea in the year Fernando has been there have not helped either. It has obliged him in each case to adapt to different styles of play from the one under which he had thrived at Liverpool.” This obviates the fact that he has not adapted to the style of play of the Spanish national team either: he is in grave danger of being dropped for the European Championships finals in the summer. Yet Sanz appeared to be adamant. “What we’re not seeing are goals, sure, but physically he is the same as he ever was and mentally there is no problem.”


Sanz insists Torres is a very grounded young man, as often appears to be the case with Spanish football players compared to their English counterparts. Much of it probably has to do with the tightness of families in Spain, particularly strong in the case of Torres who is happily married, Sanz said, with two small children. “Fernando is an intelligent, cerebral man who is neither corrupted by success nor destroyed by failure. His family is his refuge and he is not the kind of person who likes to show himself off at prize-giving ceremonies or parties. What he most likes is to visit his parents in Madrid or be quietly at home in Cobham with his wife and kids.”

Being cerebral and shunning the celebrity glare may not help. Being cerebral, he is more likely to succumb to the overthinking curse; and as Wiener suggested, his reclusiveness may be more counter-productive than Torres might imagine. “Often athletes who thrive under the spotlight have the ability to turn off the fans’ abusive chants or the criticism in the media, removing what might have been a big weight from their shoulders,” Wiener said.

For Torres, whose face (save for that calamity against Manchester United) betrays nothing on the field, football has not seemed much fun for a long time. Santiago Solari, though as well disposed to him as a fellow professional can be, doubts he will recover his best form. “When a player has been at the peak of form in his career and then goes downhill … well, I’ve never seen a player return to his best in those circumstances,” he said. Wiener, on the other hand, has faith that Torres will stage a comeback. “My prediction is that he’s not done yet,” he said. “That level of athletic talent is hard to suppress.” The other psychologist I talked to, John Murray, also believes he can recover his form, but only if he opens up to someone like him.

How about Torres turning to psychological help? I asked his agent Antonio Sanz. Instead of the expected rebuff, Sanz said Torres might be open to the idea and would examine it if it were proposed by his club. That might be the last card left for Torres to play, unless he were suddenly to recover his form – by the very same mysterious processes through which he lost it.

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Re: Torres: Seriously, What Happened To Him?
« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2012, 02:20:39 PM »
You could have done that exact same write-up for Michael Owen - almost identical career trajectories.  The thing is that what players overlook so often is how supportive an environment a particular team is.  At Liverpool, Torres had an environment that gave him a lot of latitude, and that was mainly because we'd seen him be so brilliant for us.  We overlooked periods without goals or bad body language because he'd made us so happy at other times, and we believed that he could/would get back to the good times.  That belief in turn gives the player confidence that that is possible, and they eventually get back to form.  At Chelsea though, he hasn't had those highs so they struggle more with the lows.  The lows persist, the rumbling starts, and the belief is exposed to be paper-thin. 

Do I think he's lost some pace?  Maybe.  But I also think that someone is going to buy him soon for £10m/£15m, and I really think that they are going to get really good value at that price.
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Re: Torres: Seriously, What Happened To Him?
« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2012, 02:22:07 PM »
Kids, he went and got himself some kids. You can track any of the worlds top footballers dips in forms to when they have kids.

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Re: Torres: Seriously, What Happened To Him?
« Reply #6 on: February 20, 2012, 02:26:06 PM »
pace and confidence

one has gone for good and the other one wont come back without the first.
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Re: Torres: Seriously, What Happened To Him?
« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2012, 02:29:52 PM »
He doesnt have a player as good as Gerrard behind him now. Or a system completely tailored to getting the best out him.

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Re: Torres: Seriously, What Happened To Him?
« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2012, 02:30:54 PM »
Chelsea's setup doesn't really suit him, balls into the channels is what he's all about. Their formation totally negates any balls into the channels for him.

That's not the biggest problem, most overlooked though.
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Re: Torres: Seriously, What Happened To Him?
« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2012, 02:38:24 PM »
Here's an edited extract from John Carlin's piece from the FT (which may have prompted corkboy's thread):

Didn't even know they had a sports section. Good piece though.

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Re: Torres: Seriously, What Happened To Him?
« Reply #10 on: February 20, 2012, 02:39:02 PM »
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Re: Torres: Seriously, What Happened To Him?
« Reply #11 on: February 20, 2012, 02:42:46 PM »
Rafa set the team up around him, to our detriment when he was injured, and he had one of the world's best midfielders anticipating his every thought. Ultimately Torres did not give enough credit to either Rafa or Gerrard for his explosion onto the world stage as the world's best CF. I'm not sure about the FT character analysis above. The guy strikes me as a chameleon, who says, and believes, what suits him at the time. I remember a lot of guff from him about understanding Liverpool because it's a working class city yet now - according to the piece - he's happily settled on the outskirts of Woking, which is middle-class purgatory. You have to wonder whether he's got a personality of his own or is just a mild blonde amalgam of attempted ingratiation.
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Re: Torres: Seriously, What Happened To Him?
« Reply #12 on: February 20, 2012, 02:46:32 PM »
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Nevertheless, the friend did seem to suggest the possibility of something going on in Torres’ mind too when he proposed that perhaps Liverpool had “laid the evil eye on him”

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Re: Torres: Seriously, What Happened To Him?
« Reply #13 on: February 20, 2012, 02:50:31 PM »
Hes not lost as much pace as people make out. Youd think he was running in treacle the way some go on. But he is a fucking quick player.

You reckon he and Van Persie over 100 yards would be a doddle for Van Persie? no way. Its total confidence and the chance v Man U when they were 3-2 up and he couldve made it 4-2 was all you need to look at.

Just doesnt back himself anymore. Thinks too much, used to just do it. He tried to bring that chance down and wanted everyone to clear out of the way so he could have an open goal. You could tell his mind was swirling with 'I could score, this is important' blah blah etc etc. By the time thats all gone through his head hes at the 6 yard box when he shouldve hit it already

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Re: Torres: Seriously, What Happened To Him?
« Reply #14 on: February 20, 2012, 02:52:19 PM »
Lost that yard of pace, confidence but I think he'll still be a good player.
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Re: Torres: Seriously, What Happened To Him?
« Reply #15 on: February 20, 2012, 02:52:32 PM »
Torres: I just can't seem to score

Chelsea striker Fernando Torres admits he has faced a constant struggle to find the back of the net following his £50million move to Stamford Bridge last January.

Torres, once regarded as one of the most lethal strikers in the world, left Liverpool after three-and-a-half successful seasons to join Chelsea last year, where he infamously went 903 minutes without scoring a goal before finally finding the back of the net in a Barclays Premier League game against West Ham.

The Spaniard failed to score again for the rest of last season, and has only managed four goals in 28 games in the current campaign.
While Blues manager Andre Villas-Boas has regularly defended the player, insisting he weighs in with his fair share of assists, Torres admits he is desperate to make an impact for Chelsea in front of the sticks.

"To be honest, after one year I was expecting things to be better than they are now," Torres told ESPN. "On the pitch, it is a difficult time for Chelsea because we are not finding the results but we're changing things, like playing a different style and still we have a young team to do it.
"Personally I have to improve. In my time at Liverpool, there were games where I would not be playing well or I would be doing nothing but every time I touched the ball I scored.

"It's such a strange feeling now because I am feeling better than ever physically. I am not finding the chances and, when I do find the chances, I cannot score."

But despite having endured a difficult year, the Spain international insists his future lies firmly at Stamford Bridge.
"My present and my future are here," Torres added. "I have many things to do here and I want to do it because it's I wanted in every club I've been at, so that is not going to be different.

"It is a difficult situation because I am happy in my personal life. We really like the club and we're very happy here to be involved with the staff and the players."

Torres will get another chance to prove his worth to Villas-Boas on Saturday in Chelsea's FA Cup fifth round clash against Birmingham, especially after Villas-Boas confirmed Didier Drogba will not feature after only just returning from Africa Cup of Nations duty with Ivory Coast.

http://www.espnstar.com/football/premier-league/news/detail/item754847/Torres:-I-just-can't-seem-to-score/

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Re: Torres: Seriously, What Happened To Him?
« Reply #16 on: February 20, 2012, 02:53:14 PM »
Has to be the injury he suffered season before the World Cup.

Nothing else explains the complete loss of pace. Injuries end legendary careers, overnight.

He was on fire when Kenny returned. It's a mental thing.
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Re: Torres: Seriously, What Happened To Him?
« Reply #17 on: February 20, 2012, 02:53:58 PM »
Good read in that article.

I think it is his knee it's gone. Chelsea said they wouldn't of signed him otherwise but me thinks Bruce Buck did it anyway as Roman wanted it.
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Re: Torres: Seriously, What Happened To Him?
« Reply #18 on: February 20, 2012, 02:55:06 PM »
Chelsea's midfield.

Also he completely lost confidence. He could score when he follows his instinct, but you can see he clearly thinks too much in front of the goal. Some suggest loss of pace, which may be true, but I think the biggest problem is in his head.

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Re: Torres: Seriously, What Happened To Him?
« Reply #19 on: February 20, 2012, 02:59:30 PM »
The FT piece was good, but failed to make the point of how important Rafa was to Torres' purple patch - which is hiow history, sadly, will judge at the moment. As has been said, we were tailored to getting the best out of him - pressing and winning the ball high up the pitch, quick balls into the channels. He was a different player for us than he was Atletico. Then Rafa went, coinciding with his injury problems, he got the hump, had his head turned, despaired at Roy and his antediluvian tactics, the off-field problems, Carra shit in his toilet bag or whatever, and off he went to be the biggest, most expensive example that the grass is never greener.

I honestly feel, even if he has lost some pace, he can come good again. But he'll need someone like Rafa to help him figure out because what's patently clear is how fragile he is and how brittle his confidence is. Anelka spent a few years in the wilderness but came back a good and generous player. The same can happen to Torres. But it'll never happen at Chelsea.
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Re: Torres: Seriously, What Happened To Him?
« Reply #20 on: February 20, 2012, 02:59:51 PM »
Chelsea's midfield.

Also he completely lost confidence. He could score when he follows his instinct, but you can see he clearly thinks too much in front of the goal. Some suggest loss of pace, which may be true, but I think the biggest problem is in his head.
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Re: Torres: Seriously, What Happened To Him?
« Reply #21 on: February 20, 2012, 03:00:30 PM »
Personally I think it's a combination of his own mental weakness/lack of confidence and the turgid shite that Chelsea play. I'm almost starting to feel sorry for him, but for the fact that it was his stupid decision that screwed us over. Like, look at that game at Old Trafford in the Autumn... scores one phenomenal "old" Torres goal. Then is about to score another and misses an empty net. He might just have retired then and there. Poor fucker looks miserable playing football.

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Re: Torres: Seriously, What Happened To Him?
« Reply #22 on: February 20, 2012, 03:02:08 PM »
He's lost confidence, and he's playing with a terrible team.

The Liverpool team he played with for his first two seasons was miles better than the current Chelsea team.

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Re: Torres: Seriously, What Happened To Him?
« Reply #23 on: February 20, 2012, 03:02:41 PM »
Another thing I always think is weird: A top goalscoring striker like Torres is scared of taking penalties. That's not right.

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Re: Torres: Seriously, What Happened To Him?
« Reply #24 on: February 20, 2012, 03:03:36 PM »
Good read in that article.

I think it is his knee it's gone. Chelsea said they wouldn't of signed him otherwise but me thinks Bruce Buck did it anyway as Roman wanted it.

I’m sure that’s hampered him but I don’t think it’s quite that clear cut. As Corkboy said, despite his strops and lack of effort at times in his final half season here he still scored at an acceptable rate. In his last few games he scored, 4 under Kenny I think. Also, I think saying bent would have been a superstar here is doing Torres a slight disservice too. He scored all types of goals, loads of which he created himself out of nothing. It wasn’t as simple as us just knocking it into the channels for him to run onto and score.

I think now it’s got to the stage where his confidence is wrecked and that’s his main problem. Yes he may have lost some pace, and perhaps the injuries are partly responsible for that loss in confidence but it’s not like has hasn’t had plenty of chances to score more. There is also, as mentioned above the possibility that is heart just isn’t in it as much at Chelsea.

I suppose time has mellowed me slightly. I still don’t wish him well, I’m enjoying the fact he has flopped there spectacularly but I think that’s more because of the club he chose to go to and how he engineered it. If he ends up flogged back to Atletico and out of way then I wouldn’t begrudge a return to form. He’s certainly taught me a lesson about getting carried away by the words or actions of players though.

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Re: Torres: Seriously, What Happened To Him?
« Reply #25 on: February 20, 2012, 03:04:45 PM »
You do realise he was garbage his last 6 maybe 8 months, with us.
Under Hodgson? Everyone was crap then.
He still scored under Kenny didn't he?

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Re: Torres: Seriously, What Happened To Him?
« Reply #26 on: February 20, 2012, 03:05:40 PM »
You do realise he was garbage his last 6 maybe 8 months, with us.

I think you have to weigh that up with the fact he was playing under Roy-fucking-Hodgson. None of our players were performing at a decent level. As soon as Kenny came in, he seemed to be amongst the goals again and playing well.

The fact he still speaks to Rafa about his form/performances tells us everything. Rafa got the best out of him in a system that suited him.

His confidence is also shot. Take the chance he had against the Mancs recently, took one touch too many the chance was gone. A confident Torres would be smacking that into the back of the net as soon as it falls on his right foot.
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Re: Torres: Seriously, What Happened To Him?
« Reply #27 on: February 20, 2012, 03:06:26 PM »
Another thing I always think is weird: A top goalscoring striker like Torres is scared of taking penalties. That's not right.
Lots of strikers don't like taking pens. Strangely enough strikers are not always the sweetest striker of a ball in a team.
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Re: Torres: Seriously, What Happened To Him?
« Reply #28 on: February 20, 2012, 03:08:44 PM »
Under Hodgson? Everyone was crap then.
He still scored under Kenny didn't he?
Her was going through the motions the season before that as well.
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Re: Torres: Seriously, What Happened To Him?
« Reply #29 on: February 20, 2012, 03:09:07 PM »
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Re: Torres: Seriously, What Happened To Him?
« Reply #30 on: February 20, 2012, 03:09:47 PM »
He doesnt have a player as good as Gerrard behind him now. Or a system completely tailored to getting the best out him.

We spoiled him.
I think it cuts deeper than that. Granted he doesn't have the genius of Steven Gerrard, anymore but he has Juan Mata who is a fantastic playmaker.

I can't put my finger on one thing but it's genuinely amazing how the mighty have fallen.


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Re: Torres: Seriously, What Happened To Him?
« Reply #31 on: February 20, 2012, 03:10:37 PM »
Karma for being a backstabbing prick. He could have been a legend but he fucked us off.
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Re: Torres: Seriously, What Happened To Him?
« Reply #32 on: February 20, 2012, 03:11:57 PM »
He should probably hire Rafael Benitez as a personal trainer and motivator.

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Re: Torres: Seriously, What Happened To Him?
« Reply #33 on: February 20, 2012, 03:16:11 PM »
He doesnt have a player as good as Gerrard behind him now. Or a system completely tailored to getting the best out him.

We spoiled him.
Nail on head right there.

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Re: Torres: Seriously, What Happened To Him?
« Reply #34 on: February 20, 2012, 03:16:12 PM »
I think you have to weigh that up with the fact he was playing under Roy-fucking-Hodgson. None of our players were performing at a decent level. As soon as Kenny came in, he seemed to be amongst the goals again and playing well.

The fact he still speaks to Rafa about his form/performances tells us everything. Rafa got the best out of him in a system that suited him.

His confidence is also shot. Take the chance he had against the Mancs recently, took one touch too many the chance was gone. A confident Torres would be smacking that into the back of the net as soon as it falls on his right foot.
Nope, if you want to place the total loss of form on Roy Hodgson, then you do that, you'll be wrong mind. He looked absolutely not arsed the season before that. Interestingly enough, just about the same time he got himself a sprog.

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Re: Torres: Seriously, What Happened To Him?
« Reply #35 on: February 20, 2012, 03:16:50 PM »
No Rafa, no Torres.

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Re: Torres: Seriously, What Happened To Him?
« Reply #36 on: February 20, 2012, 03:17:46 PM »
Her was going through the motions the season before that as well.
He was injured a lot. But he still had a good scoring rate. That's what's important for a striker after all.

I think our fans do rewrite history a bit.

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Re: Torres: Seriously, What Happened To Him?
« Reply #37 on: February 20, 2012, 03:19:26 PM »
Interesting article.  Reading between the lines he could be simply sanguine.  He's probably realised what a mistake he's made, what a hole Chelsea is, knows his time there will be up soon and just doesn't give a shit anymore.  He'll be looking for a fresh start in the summer and I imagine he'll recover a fair bit of his form when he moves on.
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Re: Torres: Seriously, What Happened To Him?
« Reply #38 on: February 20, 2012, 03:19:50 PM »
He was injured a lot. But he still had a good scoring rate. That's what's important for a striker after all.

I think our fans do rewrite history a bit.
He was average at best, did you actually watch what went on?
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Re: Torres: Seriously, What Happened To Him?
« Reply #39 on: February 20, 2012, 03:20:33 PM »
Steven Gerrard makes strikers, and he'll make andy Carroll too

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