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Re: FC Barcelona
« Reply #1680 on: May 10, 2014, 04:28:08 pm »
If you are just waiting for a reason to dislike a club, I guarantee that you will find a reason. A season is long enough to find a reason ;D

I don't like the treatment Fabregas is getting. But it is not like this is his first season at Barca. It is his 3rd season finishing, and he hasn't found himself in the team yet. I think it is not his mistake, more of coaches mistake and the Xavi-Cesc dilemma, but he has looked poor on the field. Madrid fans, for example, boo their stars even if they are performing well. Ronaldo got booed not long ago.

If I'm not mistaken, he was one of the best players in the team last year?

I remember Gerry Armstrong kept saying "Cesc would get in to any team in the world" over and over again, even when Barca weren't playing.
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Re: FC Barcelona
« Reply #1681 on: May 10, 2014, 04:28:12 pm »
Madrid fans, for example, boo their stars even if they are performing well. Ronaldo got booed not long ago.

They and that club are just shite anyway. Wouldn't expect them to have good fans.

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Re: FC Barcelona
« Reply #1682 on: May 10, 2014, 04:40:05 pm »
If I'm not mistaken, he was one of the best players in the team last year?

I remember Gerry Armstrong kept saying "Cesc would get in to any team in the world" over and over again, even when Barca weren't playing.
Fabregas? Only in numbers. Stats lovers probably can claim that he was one of the best Barca players (oh look at goals, look at assists). In reality, he has not been one of Barca's best players in any of seasons he has been there.

What Gerry Armstrong was saying is not wrong actually. I think Cesc was world's 3rd best midfielder behind Xavi and Iniesta, and certainly the best midfielder in England when he was at Arsenal. But he needs to be the main man, the playmaker. He never got that chance at Barca consistently, as there is Xavi. The team has never been built around him, like it was at Arsenal. And that is why he is having a hard time showing his qualities.

He gets 5-6 games a season where he plays and Xavi doesn't. But that is just not enough time for him to stamp his authority. He needs a consistent run of games there, and Xavi should be benched, if he is to succeed at Barca. But no coach or fan would agree with that, because in the games they see, Xavi vastly outperforms Fabregas who looks erratic.

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Re: FC Barcelona
« Reply #1683 on: May 10, 2014, 04:44:46 pm »
Anyway, Fabregas should just leave Barca at this point. Current Barca play tiki taka, i.e. short intricate passing game. It is slow. If you watch Cesc's Arsenal compilations, you will see his brilliant long balls over the top, through balls. He thrives on fast football. He is not nearly as good at short passes and one-twos in tight spaces as Xavi and Iniesta are. Thiago would have suited so much more.

If ManCity or ManU are smart, they will go in for Cesc all in this summer. Both teams can improve their midfield. Cesc has to write off his Barca dream, his past 3 seasons have been a bit of waste. Sure enough, he won more at Barca than he could have at Arsenal, but if he went to another English team, he would have enjoyed himself more on the pitch.

Nothing against him, a fantastic player. If he goes back to England, he will be transfer of the season, and I predict it now ;D

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Re: FC Barcelona
« Reply #1684 on: May 10, 2014, 04:50:12 pm »

What Gerry Armstrong was saying is not wrong actually. I think Cesc was world's 3rd best midfielder behind Xavi and Iniesta, and certainly the best midfielder in England when he was at Arsenal. But he needs to be the main man, the playmaker. He never got that chance at Barca consistently, as there is Xavi. The team has never been built around him, like it was at Arsenal.

you honestly believe Barca have the three best midfielders in the world..... 

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Re: FC Barcelona
« Reply #1685 on: May 10, 2014, 04:52:01 pm »
you honestly believe Barca have the three best midfielders in the world..... 
Three best now? Probably not. Three best when Cesc went from Arsenal to Barca? Yes, I do. I presume that is when Armstrong was saying that Cesc would start anywhere else.

Anyway, currently, Cesc cannot claim to be a top 3 midfielder in the world. But he is at a good age, and he has the talent for that claim. If he goes back to England, I think in 1 year, we will be talking about him as one of the world's best midfielders.

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Re: FC Barcelona
« Reply #1686 on: May 10, 2014, 04:59:58 pm »
By the way, Cesc would do very very well at Madrid, IMO. They are a running team, team for counter-attacking football. Ronaldo, Bale and Di Maria running at Cesc's through balls and balls over the top? Imagine that...

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/Jr1JALrpxBg?" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/Jr1JALrpxBg?</a>
It's a bit sad that he went from that to being booed at Barcelona...

Here are Cesc's assists at Arsenal. And we have to remember, he created hundreds more chances which were not converted...
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/K0Y4_WrLOVA?" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/K0Y4_WrLOVA?</a>
« Last Edit: May 10, 2014, 05:10:18 pm by Xxavi »

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Re: FC Barcelona
« Reply #1687 on: May 10, 2014, 05:07:48 pm »
By the way, Cesc would do very very well at Madrid, IMO. They are a running team, team for counter-attacking football. Ronaldo, Bale and Di Maria running at Cesc's through balls and balls over the top? Imagine that...

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/Jr1JALrpxBg?" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/Jr1JALrpxBg?</a>

Fuckin' ell, memories.  That first assist from Fabregas when he's got Pires, Ljunberg, Vieira, Bergkamp and Henry around him.. utterly class side.

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Re: FC Barcelona
« Reply #1688 on: May 10, 2014, 05:13:18 pm »
By the way, Cesc would do very very well at Madrid, IMO. They are a running team, team for counter-attacking football. Ronaldo, Bale and Di Maria running at Cesc's through balls and balls over the top? Imagine that...

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/Jr1JALrpxBg?" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/Jr1JALrpxBg?</a>
It's a bit sad that he went from that to being booed at Barcelona...

Here are Cesc's assists at Arsenal. And we have to remember, he created hundreds more chances which were not converted...
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/K0Y4_WrLOVA?" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/K0Y4_WrLOVA?</a>

btw, Cesc would be perfect for Liverpool...

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Re: FC Barcelona
« Reply #1689 on: May 10, 2014, 07:12:58 pm »
Three best now? Probably not. Three best when Cesc went from Arsenal to Barca? Yes, I do. I presume that is when Armstrong was saying that Cesc would start anywhere else.

Anyway, currently, Cesc cannot claim to be a top 3 midfielder in the world. But he is at a good age, and he has the talent for that claim. If he goes back to England, I think in 1 year, we will be talking about him as one of the world's best midfielders.

I'm surprised you don't rate Busquets above him. The guy is fantastic and grossly underrated, especially when talking about midfielders, as Iniesta and Fabregas are often drifting into the box and could occasionally have been seen as forwards rather than midfielders.

They always give us a good reason not to like them. This season is the Fabregas booing. Surely your fans should be encouraging your team after all these years of domination and brilliant Football. A bit spoilt, aren't they.

Eh, I was appalled watching the video of some Barca fans 'greeting' the players off the coach upon their return to Barcelona following the Copa final this year. They're not the best fans on the planet, certainly not perfect, but I think it's partly down to the fan culture in Spain, especially that of the 'big clubs', who can appear to be a disloyal and entitled shower of nerds. That said, if you're going to look for reasons to want one of the two sides to win the league, and say that you don't want Barca to win because of a contingent of booing, you'd have to also consider those racists from Atlético making monkey gestures en masse, a week or so ago. It wasn't a few of them, either. And to be honest, I'd be interested to hear your other good reasons for not liking Barca.

Personally, I would be pleased to see Atlético win, like most people, because it would be a shock and an upset, and finally the Big 2 hegemony would be broken. They've got a young coach and a really hardworking group of players, which has been habitually disrupted by high-profile sales for about a decade. That said, I still want Barca to win the league. Atlético play a negative and eye-wateringly physical brand of football which isn't exactly beautiful and reminds me of Mourinho. Of course I'm still delighted to see them beat teams I hate, like Real Madrid and Chelsea. But Barcelona still have that beautiful style (hampered somewhat lately, but the players remain) and that iconic socio-political role which I admire. The fans are generally good, and when they came to Anfield they had an unusual and special connection with our fans - you can see the videos online. The stadium is amazing, the players are incredible, the history is something to admire and respect. I also adore Messi and want him to have every possible success in his personal rivalry with C Ronaldo.

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Re: FC Barcelona
« Reply #1690 on: May 10, 2014, 10:42:01 pm »
I'm surprised you don't rate Busquets above him. The guy is fantastic and grossly underrated, especially when talking about midfielders, as Iniesta and Fabregas are often drifting into the box and could occasionally have been seen as forwards rather than midfielders.
I rate Busquets, but I was talking about the time when Cesc joined Barca. I think Cesc was better than Busquets, or may be on par with him back then.

Currently, there is no question that Busquets is Barca's best midfielder. Iniesta is obviously better when he turns it on, but I think Andres, like Messi, has lost that bit of hunger.

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Re: FC Barcelona
« Reply #1691 on: May 10, 2014, 11:17:56 pm »
btw, Cesc would be perfect for Liverpool...

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Re: FC Barcelona
« Reply #1692 on: May 11, 2014, 12:19:46 am »
Reina plus cash for Fabregas?


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« Reply #1693 on: May 11, 2014, 12:55:30 am »
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Re: FC Barcelona
« Reply #1694 on: May 11, 2014, 01:26:42 am »
Reina plus cash for Fabregas?
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Re: FC Barcelona
« Reply #1695 on: May 11, 2014, 01:58:25 am »
There are reports that Barca bought Cuadrado from Fiorentina for 30 million euros. He is seen as a replacement for Dani Alves. I have a problem with this on so many levels. Montoya is such a fantastic talent, who was ahead of Carvajal only a year ago in Spanish youth NTs. And now, Carvajal is a starting RB at Real Madrid, yet, Montoya, after extending his contract, is going to be a back up yet again.

Not only that, but a right back for 30 million euros? Where is a central defender? Barca's transfer policies are horrible. It's a joke. There is a need for 2 goalies and 2 central defenders, yet Barca look at strikers and right backs. Also, papers in Barcelona talk about selling Cesc Fabregas for 30 million euros. How does that even compute, Cuadrado and Cesc same price?? Madrid finally learnt how to sell their players like Ozil and Higuain, Barca are still really bad at it. Cesc should cost as much as Ozil, at least.

Horrible stuff. Overpaying for other players, and cannot sell their own quality players for acceptable price. The club is run so badly.
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Re: FC Barcelona
« Reply #1696 on: May 11, 2014, 02:23:13 am »
There are reports that Barca bought Cuadrado from Fiorentina for 30 million euros. He is seen as a replacement for Dani Alves. I have a problem with this on so many levels. Montoya is such a fantastic talent, who was ahead of Carvajal only a year ago in Spanish youth NTs. And now, Carvajal is a starting RB at Real Madrid, yet, Montoya, after extending his contract, is going to be a back up yet again.

Not only that, but a right back for 30 million euros? Where is a central defender? Barca's transfer policies are horrible. It's a joke. There is a need for 2 goalies and 2 central defenders, yet Barca look at strikers and right backs. Also, papers in Barcelona talk about selling Cesc Fabregas for 30 million euros. How does that even compute, Cuadrado and Cesc same price?? Madrid finally learnt how to sell their players like Ozil and Higuain, Barca are still really bad at it. Cesc should cost as much as Ozil, at least.

Horrible stuff. Overpaying for other players, and cannot sell their own quality players for acceptable price. The club is run so badly.

30 million euros for Cesc ? Hope Liverpool are all over that like a fucking rash.
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Re: FC Barcelona
« Reply #1697 on: May 11, 2014, 02:23:31 am »
 Is that true Cuadrado is going to play full back if you buy him? Wow Barcelona really are run by clowns.

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« Reply #1698 on: May 11, 2014, 02:28:02 am »
I have always disliked Fabregas he was a mouthy little shit at Arsenal. Not surprised he never fit at Barca Wenger English'd his game out. He has no patience for the passing  game still a good player though.

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Re: FC Barcelona
« Reply #1699 on: May 12, 2014, 10:58:47 pm »
Are buying Luis from Chelsea.....


Madness.....

This is exactly the kind of player Barça have bought most of my life.....

And most of my life they're looked nice but..... Done little

He will solve none of their problems at the back as he can't defend.

Stupid stupid decision...

And they will hand Chelsea money they shouldn't get for him
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Re: FC Barcelona
« Reply #1700 on: May 12, 2014, 11:37:31 pm »
Cuadrado and Luiz are not that suited to the short intricate passing game from what I have seen.... Add in the new keeper is highly unlikely to be as good as Valdes with his feet starting moves & Xavi rumours this summer could have a huge impact on the way Barcelona play.

Just looking as the stats of Cesc they are outstanding! Instead of selling him at a break even price any other club would adapt just a little & build round him.

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Re: FC Barcelona
« Reply #1701 on: May 12, 2014, 11:38:02 pm »
I have always disliked Fabregas he was a mouthy little shit at Arsenal. Not surprised he never fit at Barca Wenger English'd his game out. He has no patience for the passing  game still a good player though.

Never fit at Barca? Are you mental?
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Re: FC Barcelona
« Reply #1702 on: May 19, 2014, 07:17:22 pm »
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« Reply #1703 on: May 19, 2014, 07:23:58 pm »
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Barcelona have confirmed the appointment of Luis Enrique as manager. The former Real Madrid and Barca player has signed a two-year deal

Martino had to go - I went to watch Barca vs. Atleti in the 2nd leg of their Super Cup and you could already tell that the style of football he was trying to enforce was dreadful.

Luis Enrique has done a decent job at Cela de Vigo and at a young age has experience of managing egos too. Looks like a good appointment to me.
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« Reply #1704 on: May 19, 2014, 07:30:48 pm »
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Barcelona have confirmed the appointment of Luis Enrique as manager. The former Real Madrid and Barca player has signed a two-year deal
What a silly, silly appointment - they should of gone for a LDV van Gaal, Capello, Hiddink, Lippi or even a Hitzfeld. A manager that demands respect, plays football in a tried and trusted method. one of the old guard. Just like United have chosen.....


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Re: FC Barcelona
« Reply #1705 on: May 19, 2014, 07:42:42 pm »
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Barcelona also announce the signing of goalkeeper Ter Stegen and that Deulofeu and Rafinha will be part of squad again #efc
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Re: FC Barcelona
« Reply #1706 on: May 19, 2014, 07:44:32 pm »
@GuillemBalague: The list of players not wanted or going: Valdés, Pinto, Puyol, Song, J. Dos Santos, Afellay, Tello, Cuenca, S. Roberto, Oier.

@GuillemBalague: List of players that the club will listen for offers (doesn't mean they are going for sure): Cesc, Alves, Adriano, Alexis, Mascherano, Pedro
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« Reply #1707 on: May 19, 2014, 08:03:41 pm »
Watching youtube clips of him just now. He was a classy player.

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« Reply #1708 on: May 19, 2014, 08:05:31 pm »
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Barcelona also announce the signing of goalkeeper Ter Stegen and that Deulofeu and Rafinha will be part of squad again #efc

The tears are starting to flood Woodison already!! ;D

@GuillemBalague: The list of players not wanted or going: Valdés, Pinto, Puyol, Song, J. Dos Santos, Afellay, Tello, Cuenca, S. Roberto, Oier.

@GuillemBalague: List of players that the club will listen for offers (doesn't mean they are going for sure): Cesc, Alves, Adriano, Alexis, Mascherano, Pedro


Any of those please!

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« Reply #1709 on: May 19, 2014, 08:09:08 pm »
There are reports that Barca bought Cuadrado from Fiorentina for 30 million euros. He is seen as a replacement for Dani Alves. I have a problem with this on so many levels. Montoya is such a fantastic talent, who was ahead of Carvajal only a year ago in Spanish youth NTs. And now, Carvajal is a starting RB at Real Madrid, yet, Montoya, after extending his contract, is going to be a back up yet again.

Not only that, but a right back for 30 million euros? Where is a central defender? Barca's transfer policies are horrible. It's a joke. There is a need for 2 goalies and 2 central defenders, yet Barca look at strikers and right backs. Also, papers in Barcelona talk about selling Cesc Fabregas for 30 million euros. How does that even compute, Cuadrado and Cesc same price?? Madrid finally learnt how to sell their players like Ozil and Higuain, Barca are still really bad at it. Cesc should cost as much as Ozil, at least.

Horrible stuff. Overpaying for other players, and cannot sell their own quality players for acceptable price. The club is run so badly.

You're taking the rumours a bit too seriously.

Wait until it's genuine before moaning.

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Re: FC Barcelona
« Reply #1710 on: May 19, 2014, 08:09:23 pm »
What a silly, silly appointment - they should of gone for a LDV van Gaal, Capello, Hiddink, Lippi or even a Hitzfeld. A manager that demands respect, plays football in a tried and trusted method. one of the old guard. Just like United have chosen.....




I think it's an awesome appointment.I believe he will do really well.d

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Re: FC Barcelona
« Reply #1711 on: May 19, 2014, 08:11:35 pm »
I'd be all over Dani Alves like a rash if I were Brendan
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« Reply #1712 on: May 19, 2014, 08:16:54 pm »
@GuillemBalague: The list of players not wanted or going: Valdés, Pinto, Puyol, Song, J. Dos Santos, Afellay, Tello, Cuenca, S. Roberto, Oier.

@GuillemBalague: List of players that the club will listen for offers (doesn't mean they are going for sure): Cesc, Alves, Adriano, Alexis, Mascherano, Pedro

Their squad isn't good enough to allow so many players to leave?

However Fabregas would be a great signing.

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Re: FC Barcelona
« Reply #1713 on: May 19, 2014, 08:25:40 pm »
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Barcelona also announce the signing of goalkeeper Ter Stegen and that Deulofeu and Rafinha will be part of squad again #efc

Ter Stegen is awesome, the best young goalkeeper around IMO, but I haven't seen as much of Courtois, who I imagine would contend for that title as well, based on what you hear.
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Re: FC Barcelona
« Reply #1714 on: May 19, 2014, 09:01:40 pm »
@GuillemBalague: The list of players not wanted or going: Valdés, Pinto, Puyol, Song, J. Dos Santos, Afellay, Tello, Cuenca, S. Roberto, Oier.


That list shows that although it might produce very good footballers more than capable of earning a good living in the game, La Masia is regularly overvalued as a means of producing a production line of Barcelona-standard players.

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Re: FC Barcelona
« Reply #1715 on: May 19, 2014, 09:06:25 pm »
I'd be all over Dani Alves like a rash if I were Brendan

31 years old and it wouldn't be cheap.
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Re: FC Barcelona
« Reply #1716 on: May 19, 2014, 09:57:28 pm »
Am I the only one who is slightly underwhelmed by the Luis Enrique appointment?

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Re: FC Barcelona
« Reply #1717 on: May 19, 2014, 09:57:47 pm »
That list shows that although it might produce very good footballers more than capable of earning a good living in the game, La Masia is regularly overvalued as a means of producing a production line of Barcelona-standard players.
I would take Sergi Roberto here. Decent player, just not the Xavi replacement he needs to be to get regular first team football.
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Re: FC Barcelona
« Reply #1718 on: May 19, 2014, 10:24:44 pm »
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Re: FC Barcelona
« Reply #1719 on: May 19, 2014, 10:46:24 pm »
There are reports that Barca bought Cuadrado from Fiorentina for 30 million euros. He is seen as a replacement for Dani Alves. I have a problem with this on so many levels. Montoya is such a fantastic talent, who was ahead of Carvajal only a year ago in Spanish youth NTs. And now, Carvajal is a starting RB at Real Madrid, yet, Montoya, after extending his contract, is going to be a back up yet again.

Not only that, but a right back for 30 million euros? Where is a central defender? Barca's transfer policies are horrible. It's a joke. There is a need for 2 goalies and 2 central defenders, yet Barca look at strikers and right backs. Also, papers in Barcelona talk about selling Cesc Fabregas for 30 million euros. How does that even compute, Cuadrado and Cesc same price?? Madrid finally learnt how to sell their players like Ozil and Higuain, Barca are still really bad at it. Cesc should cost as much as Ozil, at least.

Horrible stuff. Overpaying for other players, and cannot sell their own quality players for acceptable price. The club is run so badly.
Cuadrado has to play as a winger as he is one the best dribblers in the world.I doubt he will join Barca as a RB.Montoya has regressed this season his final ball is terrible.Not good enough going forward to be a Barca RB.