Author Topic: Rangers In Liquidation... Sevco5088 in... SFL3 (for now) (Read 71566 times)

Azi · « **Reply #1960 on:** July 12, 2012, 07:31:34 PM »

clyde are becoming my favourite team

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The Board of Clyde Football Club has received the papers in advance of tomorrows SFL meeting and will consider the Heads of Terms supplied. We continue to have the same fundamental concerns about this process, however the overriding concern is a point which we have made to the SFL.

We have received absolutely no information on the organisation Sevco Scotland Ltd whom we are being asked, and encouraged, to vote straight into the top division of the SFL under resolution 2 and possibly into SFL3 under Resolution 1. We have no business plan, list of directors, details of ownership, statement of capital adequacy or any proposals relating to the provision of any similar information in the near future. David Longmuir has clearly stated that he will distribute all the information he has got or is able to distribute.

Whilst the notion that there is a leap of faith to be taken in terms of some of the matters, there can be no leap of faith with something as fundamental as knowing who is being admitted to the league. The very fact that there is no information of any kind being made available on this company undermines the authorities efforts to direct the new entrant to SFL1. It is actually impossible for any member of the SFL to make an objective assessment of the proposals under Resolutions 1 and 2 and could be seen as irresponsible to support either proposal in such a void of information.

It is our hope that some credibility can be introduced to this process and we would ask that whoever holds information on Sevco Scotland Ltd provides a full and detailed pack to David Longmuir in order that, even at the eleventh hour, the SFL clubs are given reason to support any Resolutions that they might wish to vote on. We have to assume that the SFA and SPL hold such information otherwise they would not press so heavily for entry to SFL1.

If a leap of faith is to be taken, then in the current circumstances it will be taken blindly and the only logical outcome of taking that kind of risk would be to enter them to SFL3, where, should any subsequent issues arise, they will be contained within the lowest league rather than disrupting the top flight of the SFL.

The other matter that is entirely outside the gift of the SFL is the need for the SPL clubs to confirm that, contrary to what Neil Doncaster stated on their behalf, the SPL will meet its obligations to the SFL under the Settlement Agreement.

so basically they are being asked to submit a team that had no history, no accounts, no business plan, no naming of investors or shareholders, no fit and proper persons assessment has been undertaken and no information about Sevco has been tabled whatsoever sounds like a doddle i wonder if rawk wants to supply a team for the first division

4pool · « **Reply #1961 on:** July 12, 2012, 08:52:13 PM »

get out the popcorn for Friday.

Ziltoid · « **Reply #1962 on:** July 12, 2012, 09:03:20 PM »

Friday the 13th should be an interesting day.

helen the llama · « **Reply #1963 on:** July 12, 2012, 09:52:49 PM »

Quote from: Azzurri on July 12, 2012, 07:31:34 PM

clyde are becoming my favourite team

so basically they are being asked to submit a team that had no history, no accounts, no business plan, no naming of investors or shareholders, no fit and proper persons assessment has been undertaken and no information about Sevco has been tabled whatsoever sounds like a doddle i wonder if rawk wants to supply a team for the first division

Correct and there is also the fact Sevco FC got the assets including the player contracts at a massive undervalue. and BDO have the right to reverse the sale. The Duff and Phelps conflict of interest report to the court is also due

There is a page floating around somewhere that names possible applications from either the east of Scotland or Highland Leagues that can prove they are solvent. (there are doubts as to the solvency of Sevco FC)

arnaldo · « **Reply #1964 on:** July 12, 2012, 10:42:22 PM »

Quote from: Ziltoid on July 12, 2012, 09:03:20 PM

Friday the 13th should be an interesting day.

Why should it be interesting? Anyone with half a brain knows they will be in division three. All supporters of clubs in Scotland including rangers supporters want division three. The whole thing is a bore fest and I cnnot see why an inevitable decision tomorrow will make it 'interssting'

hansen6 · « **Reply #1965 on:** July 12, 2012, 10:59:19 PM »

Quote from: 4pool on July 12, 2012, 08:52:13 PM

get out the popcorn for Friday.

Jelly and Ice cream surely?

royhendo · « **Reply #1966 on:** July 12, 2012, 11:35:54 PM »

Massive massive day. People are referring to this close season as "The Diddy Spring".

helen the llama · « **Reply #1967 on:** July 13, 2012, 12:07:11 AM »

Quote from: royhendo on July 12, 2012, 11:35:54 PM

Massive massive day. People are referring to this close season as "The Diddy Spring".

What about the SPL good guys.

Oh and don't be surprised if it is not div 3, anyone with a brain cell knows Scottish football is corrupt. Killie's business model depends on them being a yes-diddy but the other bad diddies are being fed a lot of unsubstantiated rubbish from up top.

Turnbull Hutton (RRFC) has been spot on. Only he says it in a better way than Vlad.

Ziltoid · « **Reply #1968 on:** July 13, 2012, 12:30:31 AM »

Quote from: arnaldo on July 12, 2012, 10:42:22 PM

Why should it be interesting? Anyone with half a brain knows they will be in division three. All supporters of clubs in Scotland including rangers supporters want division three. The whole thing is a bore fest and I cnnot see why an inevitable decision tomorrow will make it 'interssting'

Interesting you should say that

royhendo · « **Reply #1969 on:** July 13, 2012, 07:53:45 AM »

Scotland Tonight from last night: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfZTOq7D390&feature=player_embedded#!

dundeered · « **Reply #1970 on:** July 13, 2012, 11:29:42 AM »

SFA and SPL have been colluding with sevco , sad stuff , surely both men at the top are untenable now
http://blogs.channel4.com/alex-thomsons-view/football-chairmen-living-fairytale-world/2265

The word quislings springs to mind

sinnermichael · « **Reply #1971 on:** July 13, 2012, 11:43:48 AM »

it'll be division 1 imo

-Q- · « **Reply #1972 on:** July 13, 2012, 02:04:45 PM »

brian mclauchlin ‏@BBCBMcLauchlin
BBC Scotland has learned vote taken will put Rangers Newco in div 3

Anything Will Do · « **Reply #1973 on:** July 13, 2012, 02:10:04 PM »

Division 3 next year apparently

Edit: Whoops, posted it after reading through the first page, I was beaten to it.

CornerFlag · « **Reply #1974 on:** July 13, 2012, 02:11:44 PM »

Sky announcing it as Division 3. Most sensible option.

-Q- · « **Reply #1975 on:** July 13, 2012, 02:12:30 PM »

I guarantee now, it is 100% definite that Rangers will play in England next year.

Barneylfc · « **Reply #1976 on:** July 13, 2012, 02:12:59 PM »

Interesting. Is it a given that they will get 3 promotions in a row? I'm not sure. Cant see many players wanting to play in the 2nd, 3rd and 4th tier of Scottish football

Barneylfc · « **Reply #1977 on:** July 13, 2012, 02:13:37 PM »

Quote from: -Q- on July 13, 2012, 02:12:30 PM

I guarantee now, it is 100% definite that Rangers will play in England next year.

Against Berwick?

royhendo · « **Reply #1978 on:** July 13, 2012, 02:14:31 PM »

So - Division 3 is the decision. But hey - you'd expect some death throes to follow with threats and breakaway leagues and blah blah blah.

-Q- · « **Reply #1979 on:** July 13, 2012, 02:14:56 PM »

Quote from: Brancefly on July 13, 2012, 02:13:37 PM

Against Berwick?

You could have let me catch a few fishies

Kopite1971 · « **Reply #1980 on:** July 13, 2012, 02:15:22 PM »

Quote from: -Q- on July 13, 2012, 02:12:30 PM

I guarantee now, it is 100% definite that Rangers will play in England next year.

I think this is more likely, and why would English Football accept Rangers anyway.

Rory Smith ‏@RorySmithTimes
Fear was that if Rangers go into SFL3 - as it appears they will - was that it leads to SPL2. Scottish football may be about to eat itself.

arnaldo · « **Reply #1981 on:** July 13, 2012, 02:15:47 PM »

Thankfully that's over. Was as boring as fabregas to barca last summer. A happy ending for all, including rangers fans who the majority wanted this.

CornerFlag · « **Reply #1982 on:** July 13, 2012, 02:19:57 PM »

Who's the blonde bird on SSN? Reporting that Rangers will be playing in the third tier? Wee daftie!

Resolution 1. 29/30
Resolution 2. 25/30

sms1986 · « **Reply #1983 on:** July 13, 2012, 02:21:04 PM »

It's the right decision for everyone involved, in my opinion, but what happens now? Does one of the promoted teams not now get promoted, or does the division start with eleven teams next season?

sminp · « **Reply #1984 on:** July 13, 2012, 02:21:18 PM »

Quote from: CornerFlag on July 13, 2012, 02:19:57 PM

Who's the blonde bird on SSN? Reporting that Rangers will be playing in the third tier? Wee daftie!

Resolution 1. 29/30
Resolution 2. 25/30

What are the resolutions?

CornerFlag · « **Reply #1985 on:** July 13, 2012, 02:23:47 PM »

Quote from: sminp on July 13, 2012, 02:21:18 PM

What are the resolutions?

(1) That the Scottish Football League Members agree to admit Sevco Scotland Limited as an Associate Member and agrees to permit Rangers F.C. to play in the League during Season 2012/13.

(2) That the Scottish Football League Members direct the Board of Management of The Scottish Football League (the “Board”) to provide that Rangers F.C. shall play in the Third Division of the Scottish Football League during Season 2012/13 unless the Board shall have to its satisfaction negotiated and reached agreement with The Scottish Premier League and The Scottish Football Association on a series of measures which the Board shall consider to be in the best interests of the game, how it is structured, how it is governed and how it is financed, whereupon the Board shall be authorised to provide that Rangers F.C. shall play in the First Division of the Scottish Football League during Season 2012/13.

RaveDave · « **Reply #1986 on:** July 13, 2012, 02:32:48 PM »

Great news for Rangers, its what most fans wanted.

gamble · « **Reply #1987 on:** July 13, 2012, 02:40:21 PM »

Not so knowledgeable on this RaveDave, but how comes?

4pool · « **Reply #1988 on:** July 13, 2012, 02:48:22 PM »

The SFL members also approved this measure today by 25-5:

(ii) That the Scottish Football League Members direct the Board of Management of The Scottish Football League (the “Board”) to provide that Rangers F.C. shall play in the Third Division of the Scottish Football League during Season 2012/13 unless the Board shall have to its satisfaction negotiated and reached agreement with The Scottish Premier League and The Scottish Football Association on a series of measures which the Board shall consider to be in the best interests of the game, how it is structured, how it is governed and how it is financed, whereupon the Board shall be authorised to provide that Rangers F.C. shall play in the First Division of the Scottish Football League during Season 2012/13.

Now expect the politico's to come in with these Changes and Newco Rangers be in Div 1 quicker than one of Rooneys slappers gets her knickers down.

royhendo · « **Reply #1989 on:** July 13, 2012, 02:53:32 PM »

Alex Thompson just tweeted a bomb. This will run and run and run.

Nessy76 · « **Reply #1990 on:** July 13, 2012, 02:57:50 PM »

Quote from: sms1986 on July 13, 2012, 02:21:04 PM

It's the right decision for everyone involved, in my opinion, but what happens now? Does one of the promoted teams not now get promoted, or does the division start with eleven teams next season?

Remains to be seen. SPL have to decide whether to admit Dundee or Dunfermline (relegated club or 2nd in Div 1) and the other divisions will most likely take their lead from them - either all relegated clubs stay up or all 2nd placed teams get promoted. There's a slim chance of play-offs, but that's not likely. Whichever way, there will be 12 SPL teams and 10 in each of the other divisions when the shuffling is sorted. Makes the fixture list a bit redundant at the moment, though.

Giovanni · « **Reply #1991 on:** July 13, 2012, 02:59:12 PM »

Surely its a massive health and saftey risk having a club with such a massive following in division three.

Some good trips for rangers fans coming up

Miguel Sanchez · « **Reply #1992 on:** July 13, 2012, 03:01:38 PM »

Quote from: royhendo on July 13, 2012, 02:53:32 PM

Alex Thompson just tweeted a bomb. This will run and run and run.

What was said?

Waka · « **Reply #1993 on:** July 13, 2012, 03:04:40 PM »

Quote from: Miguel Sanchez on July 13, 2012, 03:01:38 PM

What was said?

alex thomson ‏@alextomo

WARNING. Club chairman "Everyone in that room heard that Stewart Regan informed Charles Green that there's no way "Rangers" will be in D3 .

Mr Rossi · « **Reply #1994 on:** July 13, 2012, 03:19:12 PM »

Whats goin to happen to scottish football now? For nearly everyone outside scotland, scottish football had zero appeal, it was seen as a bit of a joke really. The only thing that gave anybody any interest was the 'old firm' games. Now Rangers have been relegated(and rightly so by the way) scottish football doesn't seem to have anything to offer. Whats goin to happen? Will sky sports be interested in covering the games anymore, will big sponsors pull out? Sorry if this has already been discussed before, but whats goin to happen if this kind of money is taken away from them? Seriously if I was a fan of scottish football, i'd be worried.

SP · « **Reply #1995 on:** July 13, 2012, 03:21:41 PM »

How are the chief execs of the FA and the Leagues still in their jobs?

Crosby Nick · « **Reply #1996 on:** July 13, 2012, 03:28:20 PM »

Quote from: Mr Rossi on July 13, 2012, 03:19:12 PM

Whats goin to happen to scottish football now?

The flip side of that argument is that it will start to become more of a level playing field and therefore more exciting/interesting. I guess Celtic will have a couple/few years of dominance before things might start to even up though.

Nessy76 · « **Reply #1997 on:** July 13, 2012, 03:28:58 PM »

Quote from: Mr Rossi on July 13, 2012, 03:19:12 PM

Whats goin to happen to scottish football now? For nearly everyone outside scotland, scottish football had zero appeal, it was seen as a bit of a joke really. The only thing that gave anybody any interest was the 'old firm' games. Now Rangers have been relegated(and rightly so by the way) scottish football doesn't seem to have anything to offer. Whats goin to happen? Will sky sports be interested in covering the games anymore, will big sponsors pull out? Sorry if this has already been discussed before, but whats goin to happen if this kind of money is taken away from them? Seriously if I was a fan of scottish football, i'd be worried.

This has been discussed before, and basically no-one knows yet.

There isn't a tv deal signed for the SPL next season yet.
Sky were rumoured to be heavily in favour of the Div 1 solution.
Celtic still get good audiences worldwide whoever they are playing.
The fans have spoken out and pretty much all of them have said they won't renew season tickets or attend games unless Rangers get dropped to the foot of the table, so the clubs were in line to lose a lot of money either way. They've chosen to lose money and not alienate their support, as the lesser of two evils.

Long-term, this could be very good for Scottish football. A league which is less dependant on two big clubs means less financial uncertainty generally, which has to help in developing and training a better class of player. They may lose a few of the superstars, but that's always been a risk for Scottish teams, even the Old Firm.

In the process, other clubs may well go to the wall, but there's always the route back by dropping to Div 3 as a new club. (Unless you're there already. Then you're probably screwed.)

ruairimacliam · « **Reply #1998 on:** July 13, 2012, 03:38:00 PM »

Quote from: Mr Rossi on July 13, 2012, 03:19:12 PM

Whats goin to happen to scottish football now? For nearly everyone outside scotland, scottish football had zero appeal, it was seen as a bit of a joke really. The only thing that gave anybody any interest was the 'old firm' games. Now Rangers have been relegated(and rightly so by the way) scottish football doesn't seem to have anything to offer. Whats goin to happen? Will sky sports be interested in covering the games anymore, will big sponsors pull out? Sorry if this has already been discussed before, but whats goin to happen if this kind of money is taken away from them? Seriously if I was a fan of scottish football, i'd be worried.

And yet Celtic gather more support than Liverpool every home game. In a more deprived city.

Mr Rossi · « **Reply #1999 on:** July 13, 2012, 03:42:26 PM »

Quote from: ruairimacliam on July 13, 2012, 03:38:00 PM

And yet Celtic gather more support than Liverpool every home game. In a more deprived city.

Firstly, thats because they have a bigger ground

Secondly, what has that got to do with scottish football in general? There is far more money and global appeal involved with the premier league then there ever will be with scottish football.