Topic: Rangers In Liquidation... Sevco5088 in... SFL3 (for now)

[Tomaldinho]

If they are a new club with no history how can you deny it won't be rangers any more?

AFC Wimbledon haven't won the FA Cup.

Wrong wrong wrong

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/w/wimbledon/6927439.stm

[fingermouse]

Junior sides like Pollok, Auchinleck talbot and Bonnyrigg Rose probably see themselves as a cut above most SFL3 clubs.

These teams knock SFL sides out the Scottish Cup on a regular basis.

So basically zombie rangers will be pitting their wits next season against opposition which is worse than junior level!

If they manage to make it to next season that is.

[thereader]

The fact people on this thread continue to say time and time again that rangers will have no history and they wont be rangers etc shows that you will still think the exact opposite. By continuing to say it and trying to convince yourself won't work. I'm a Liverpool supporter, I have united, spurs, arsenal, everton, Newcastle supporters as friends. Rangers will still be rangers to us. Just the same way as fiorentina are still fiorentina and boro still boro.

And the fact people seem all happy all of a sudden after two chairmen said no to the newco in the spl- sure so what? It was assumed weeks ago they would get the no vote out on the street and in this forum. Not much of a surprise. It's what the majority of rangers fans want from what I hear. They feel they deserve it because of their former owners behaviour

Rangers fans don't want any compromises about Division 1 for Sky deals or anything like that either.

You're correct, look at polls on forums and the third division is what the majority want and expect. 

I'd agree with you there as well about this 'same club' debate, there's a resentment and the resentment will be the same whenever we do get back to the SPL, so not really a 'new club' is it? 

[karl1987]

Rangers will still be Rangers after all us has finished, anybody else saying otherwise is just kidding themseleves through pure bitterness. 

[thereader]

Junior sides like Pollok, Auchinleck talbot and Bonnyrigg Rose probably see themselves as a cut above most SFL3 clubs.

These teams knock SFL sides out the Scottish Cup on a regular basis.

So basically zombie rangers will be pitting their wits next season against opposition which is worse than junior level!

If they manage to make it to next season that is.

Who cares?  Bring it on.

This club came through much worse in 1971. 

[Trada]

If they do go down to Div 3 won't this help some Scottish clubs and spread some big gate receipts around to lower clubs that may be struggling .

[fingermouse]

Who cares? 

No one. Apart from the sizeable element of rangers fans who up until a couple of weeks were still talking about 'ally's warchest' for a title push and signing rino gattuso.

Hopefully a wee spell in the lower echelons of scottish football will enable zombie rangers to shed the gloryhunters and toxic element from their ranks, but I wont hold my breath.

[thereader]

No one. Apart from the sizeable element of rangers fans who up until a couple of weeks were still talking about 'ally's warchest' for a title push and signing rino gattuso.

Hopefully a wee spell in the lower echelons of scottish football will enable zombie rangers to shed the gloryhunters and toxic element from their ranks, but I wont hold my breath.

Green talked about transfer funds and Gattuso himself was the one going on about returning to Rangers.  A CVA could have made all that possible but it obviously was not to be.

I'm not denying some glory hunters will lose interest but the fact most supporters actually want to go down to the bottom indicates we're not talking huge numbers.

Adversity can pull people together as well.

[SP]

Wrong wrong wrong

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/w/wimbledon/6927439.stm

Yep, you are wrong.

MK Dons have relinquished their probably legal claim on the FA Cup win, and given the trophy to the London Borough of Merton. Not to AFC Wimbledon.

The detail is all in the link you kindly provided.

[Barneylfc]

Yep, you are wrong.

MK Dons have relinquished their probably legal claim on the FA Cup win, and given the trophy to the London Borough of Merton. Not to AFC Wimbledon.

The detail is all in the link you kindly provided.

AFC Wimbledon have claimed the whole history of Wimbledon FC though

http://www.afcwimbledon.co.uk/honours.php?Psection_id=4&Psub_section_id=7&squad=

Although they do state "The supporters of AFC Wimbledon believe that our club is a continuation of the spirit which formed Wimbledon Old Centrals in 1889 and kept Wimbledon Football Club alive until May 2002. We consider that a football club is not simply the legal entity which controls it, but that it is the community formed by the fans and players working towards a common goal. We therefore reproduce the honours won by what we believe was, and will always be, 'our' club, in our community. "

[Tomaldinho]

Anyone who tries to say that MK Dons have more of a claim over the FA Cup than AFC Wimbledon just because they don't like Rangers is talking shite as far as I'm concerned. Franchising has no place in English football.

[thereader]

Anyone who tries to say that MK Dons have more of a claim over the FA Cup than AFC Wimbledon just because they don't like Rangers is talking shite as far as I'm concerned. Franchising has no place in English football.

Certainly hypocritical of some to claim the fans are the most important thing about a club, while also saying a company being liquidated means Rangers are no more.

[williamson84]

Certainly hypocritical of some to claim the fans are the most important thing about a club, while also saying a company being liquidated means Rangers are no more.

Not really because the fans are the most important in any football club but Glasgow Rangers FC are being liquidated therefor they are no more.

[thereader]

Not really because the fans are the most important in any football club but Glasgow Rangers FC are being liquidated therefor they are no more.

But you're saying a company is more important than the fans.

Far as I'm concerned a club only dies if the fans, the identity disappear.

[SP]

Anyone who tries to say that MK Dons have more of a claim over the FA Cup than AFC Wimbledon just because they don't like Rangers is talking shite as far as I'm concerned. Franchising has no place in English football.

Legally they do. But personally, I would regard neither club as legitimately owning the FA Cup honour. The Wimbledon that won that cup are dead. The MK Dons have renounced the honours. AFC Wimbledon are a new club with no legitimate claim.

[Tomaldinho]

Legally they do. But personally, I would regard neither club as legitimately owning the FA Cup honour. The Wimbledon that won that cup are dead. The MK Dons have renounced the honours. AFC Wimbledon are a new club with no legitimate claim.

Would you be saying that if some bellends decided Liverpool would be more profitable if they moved it to Skelmersdale or Warrington and there were tonnes of former Utd supports there taking up the mantle and claiming 18 league titles and 5 european cups? Would you heck.

[thereader]

Legally they do. But personally, I would regard neither club as legitimately owning the FA Cup honour. The Wimbledon that won that cup are dead. The MK Dons have renounced the honours. AFC Wimbledon are a new club with no legitimate claim.

Most can probably only really understand if something similar happens to their own club. 

I've not even mourned.  Why?  Far as I can see only a company died.

[SMD]

At some point, thereader, you're going to have to be pragmatic about all this.

[SP]

Would you be saying that if some bellends decided Liverpool would be more profitable if they moved it to Skelmersdale or Warrington and there were tonnes of former Utd supports there taking up the mantle and claiming 18 league titles and 5 european cups? Would you heck.

MK Dons are not claiming it though. They have renounced all claim on the honours of Wimbledon past. So your analogy is irrelevant.

[thereader]

At some point, thereader, you're going to have to be pragmatic about all this.

If I wasn't being pragmatic i'd be saying we should be in the SPL without a vote even being needed.

I'm not trying to claim nothing has happened.

[SMD]

If I wasn't being pragmatic i'd be saying we should be in the SPL without a vote even being needed.

I'm not trying to claim nothing has happened.

Yeah but you're not exactly on board with all the ramifications here.

[thereader]

Yeah but you're not exactly on board with all the ramifications here.

Lowest division, senior players leaving for free, reliance will pretty much all be on youngsters, inevitably crowds will drop, living within our means and much higher vigilance against any new owners required.

What am I missing? 

[SMD]

Lowest division, senior players leaving for free, reliance will pretty much all be on youngsters, inevitably crowds will drop, living within our means and much higher vigilance against any new owners required.

What am I missing?

That it's a new club.

[thereader]

That it's a new club.

Ibrox the home ground, team in blue, Rangers the name, the fans the same people that have always gone to see Rangers.

It all sounds very familiar.  Football clubs were never meant to be about companies and franchises. 

In 1872 four young men, two brothers and their two friends, from Glasgow decided to start a football team, they had nothing, no money, stadium, kit, ball, anything.  They kept going with their idea regardless and that is where Rangers came from.  Their dream still lives on, a dark chapter may have taken place in the football club they created but it came through a much, much worse one on the 2nd of January 1971. 

It actually does football a disservice for people to forget what it's really all about. 

[Tomaldinho]

MK Dons are not claiming it though. They have renounced all claim on the honours of Wimbledon past. So your analogy is irrelevant.

Its not irrelevant at all. Would you be coming on here making so sure everyone understood that we had no claim to the trophies in  our history like you are now? Of course you wouldn't

[royhendo]

http://blogs.channel4.com/alex-thomsons-view/bin-succulent-lamb-humble-pie-rangers/1975

[vezna]

There's some nonsense in this thread. If Liverpool had of been liquidated due to G&H's reign and obviously reformed as the exact same club, would we have abandoned our right to claim "5 times"? Nah, didn't think so.

[Immoral King Brian Blessed]

Ibrox the home ground, team in blue, Rangers the name, the fans the same people that have always gone to see Rangers.

It all sounds very familiar.  Football clubs were never meant to be about companies and franchises. 

In 1872 four young men, two brothers and their two friends, from Glasgow decided to start a football team, they had nothing, no money, stadium, kit, ball, anything.  They kept going with their idea regardless and that is where Rangers came from.  Their dream still lives on, a dark chapter may have taken place in the football club they created but it came through a much, much worse one on the 2nd of January 1971. 

It actually does football a disservice for people to forget what it's really all about. 

But now it's not Rangers FC established 1872, it's Rangers FC established 2012. Doesn't that bother you a little?

[arnaldo]

But now it's not Rangers FC established 1872, it's Rangers FC established 2012. Doesn't that bother you a little?

If it was Liverpool est 2011 as what it could have been, it wouldn't bother me one bit. It would probably bother other supporters more - this opinion has been backed up by the comments on this forum

[dundeered]

Lord Hodge not happy ,duff and phelps could be in trouble , not sure how much this will effect sevco but surely if it shown to be true it effects any sale to green , maybe not see a sevco play next year at all

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-18549293

[lfcderek]

At the end of the day
The bottom line is
In the final analysis
When all is said and done
When you've counted all the chickens
After the dust has settled
When, at last, it comes to judgment day


A football club is it's fans.

Regardless of name, owner, players, manager

A football club is it's fans.


They are Rangers

[dundeered]

On a brighter note ,after the Dundee united chairman coming out last night and saying he is voting for sporting integrity , the club , the shop have been in meltdown today struggling to cope with season ticket sales , extra sponsorship for players , sales for everything dundee united have just gone mental so my mate who works at the club tells me , sevco who needs sevco , great to see that fans have got right behind the club , gonna nip down to shop tomorrow and buy another top also managed to talk the boss into having two sets of clients at hospo this year instead of the usual eight

[thereader]

But now it's not Rangers FC established 1872, it's Rangers FC established 2012. Doesn't that bother you a little?

Of course it does, it bothers me more than you can imagine that it has come to this, i'm not trying to put a across a 'nothing to see here' type of argument. 

But I don't see it as the club dying or a new club being formed, the 1872 dream is still the same one. 

[thereader]

If it was Liverpool est 2011 as what it could have been, it wouldn't bother me one bit. It would probably bother other supporters more - this opinion has been backed up by the comments on this forum

I accept it's hard for people to understand it unless they've actually gone through it, but i'm glad and appreciate you and some others do. 

[SP]

Its not irrelevant at all. Would you be coming on here making so sure everyone understood that we had no claim to the trophies in  our history like you are now? Of course you wouldn't

I probably would. But I am a pedantic fucker like that.

[Tomaldinho]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ACF_Fiorentina#Honours

I don't see anyone making a similar distinction here.

[SMD]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ACF_Fiorentina#Honours

I don't see anyone making a similar distinction here.

Italian football is suspect as fuck though.

[4pool]

Internet warriors the lot of ya'.

Any supporter is going to defend their own club like hell.

If LFC went belly up and reformed, we'd still go on about 5 times and "where once we watched the King Kenny play".

And i wouldn't give a shit what others supporters tried to say.. oh you're a new club, your history is gone or whatever..it would still be LFC to me. 

[Tomaldinho]

Italian football is suspect as fuck though.

I don't see what match fixing and betting scandals have to do with the debate over when a club stays as or ceases to be the same entitiy.

[Tepid water]

If it was Liverpool est 2011 as what it could have been, it wouldn't bother me one bit. It would probably bother other supporters more - this opinion has been backed up by the comments on this forum

This is how I see it.

If it were Liverpool I wouldn't treat the club as a different entity, hence for me rangers are not a different club.