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Re: Rangers In Administration...
« Reply #560 on: May 1, 2012, 11:16:39 AM »
You support a club, not a league.

All these type of threats are idle IMO, fans will not want to walk away from their team.

yes your right but if Motherwell vote for rangers (which if rumours are believed to be true we are ) then they along with the  rest of the spl can fuck off there was a recent vote that showed 90% of fans didst want a newco but if Motherwell along with the rest of the spl bend over then games a bogey and you say fans will not want to walk away too right av been through to much with my "first  love " but with a heavy heart i will and can pretty much guarantee i wont walk into another spl ground i wont buy another Motherwell strip i will be done with Scottish football

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« Reply #561 on: May 1, 2012, 11:37:08 AM »
If the fans of teams in the SPL feel strongly as the last 2 posts, the best thing would be writing an protest EMail or letter to there SPL clubs, & if the clubs ignore the fans, then boycott club merchandise &/or games from next season.

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« Reply #562 on: May 1, 2012, 01:17:40 PM »
yes your right but if Motherwell vote for rangers (which if rumours are believed to be true we are ) then they along with the  rest of the spl can fuck off there was a recent vote that showed 90% of fans didst want a newco but if Motherwell along with the rest of the spl bend over then games a bogey and you say fans will not want to walk away too right av been through to much with my "first  love " but with a heavy heart i will and can pretty much guarantee i wont walk into another spl ground i wont buy another Motherwell strip i will be done with Scottish football


Things is having been a season ticket holder at Tynecastle (no longer) attendances are generally poor as it is, so would this make enough of a difference, I admire the stance of yourself and others, and agree that if all is as it seems, then Rangers and any other club, should start again, look at the teams demoted in Serie A, sometimes taking two steps back can make you stronger and better and allow for the league to see what really needs to be done to not become overly reliant on two clubs, there's much bigger issues in the SPL outside this and the thought of it's populist survival being based almost solely on a strong Old Firm would frighten me more than anything!

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« Reply #563 on: May 1, 2012, 02:20:04 PM »
yes your right but if Motherwell vote for rangers (which if rumours are believed to be true we are ) then they along with the  rest of the spl can fuck off there was a recent vote that showed 90% of fans didst want a newco but if Motherwell along with the rest of the spl bend over then games a bogey and you say fans will not want to walk away too right av been through to much with my "first  love " but with a heavy heart i will and can pretty much guarantee i wont walk into another spl ground i wont buy another Motherwell strip i will be done with Scottish football
What about the financial side of it?  Surely you can understand the dilemma some of these boards face, less money will be coming into the SPL without Rangers in it, that doesn't even seem debatable.  Clubs such as Motherwell have little enough income as it is without TV deals and sponsorships collapsing.

I don't think i'm wearing blue tinted specs when I say there's a business consideration as well as a moral consideration when it comes to this kind of vote. 

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« Reply #564 on: May 1, 2012, 03:16:47 PM »
What about the financial side of it?  Surely you can understand the dilemma some of these boards face, less money will be coming into the SPL without Rangers in it, that doesn't even seem debatable.  Clubs such as Motherwell have little enough income as it is without TV deals and sponsorships collapsing.

I don't think i'm wearing blue tinted specs when I say there's a business consideration as well as a moral consideration when it comes to this kind of vote. 

That's a fair point, but if it was any other club apart from Rangers or Celtic, they'd already be gone - relegated to the bottom to start again (like Livingston, and Gretna, for starters).

And there's the rub - you can't have rules for everyone, but then change them to suit the 'big clubs' and expect the fans, the paying public to take it on the chin.

There has to be sanctions for wrong-doing - after the outcry over the transfer ban, what do Rangers & their fans accept would be fair punishment?
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« Reply #565 on: May 1, 2012, 03:23:01 PM »
That's a fair point, but if it was any other club apart from Rangers or Celtic, they'd already be gone - relegated to the bottom to start again (like Livingston, and Gretna, for starters).

And there's the rub - you can't have rules for everyone, but then change them to suit the 'big clubs' and expect the fans, the paying public to take it on the chin.

There has to be sanctions for wrong-doing - after the outcry over the transfer ban, what do Rangers & their fans accept would be fair punishment?
I agree in many ways, but it just shows how reliant Scottish Football has become on two clubs that this is even a discussion. 

No idea, personally I still want a CVA to be sorted and for us to carry on as we are, however unlikely that may seem now i'm still not thinking about the whole newco thing too much. 

And the talks of asset transfers, incubation companies etc with the takeover bids complicates it anyway. 

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« Reply #566 on: May 2, 2012, 05:15:01 PM »
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#Rangers administrators now not expecting to name preferred bidder today.



On and on and on and on it goes...

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« Reply #567 on: May 2, 2012, 05:32:08 PM »
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#Rangers administrators now not expecting to name preferred bidder today.



On and on and on and on it goes...

Could be worse, mate. You don't want to hear "Tom Hicks has expressed an interest in buying Rangers and the deal is expected to go through this afternoon" for instance.

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« Reply #568 on: May 2, 2012, 07:11:23 PM »
Could be worse, mate. You don't want to hear "Tom Hicks has expressed an interest in buying Rangers and the deal is expected to go through this afternoon" for instance.

I do. I think he'd be an excellent choice!
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« Reply #569 on: May 3, 2012, 01:21:02 PM »
Bill Miller has been given preferred bidder status.

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« Reply #570 on: May 3, 2012, 01:45:08 PM »
Good to hear, can't say I was ever confident about TBK and Kennedy, so this was the only option.

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Re: Rangers In Administration...
« Reply #571 on: May 3, 2012, 02:20:15 PM »
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Scottish colleague James Cook reports SPL has told BM that #RFC can continue in SPL with no further pts deductions

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« Reply #572 on: May 3, 2012, 02:32:47 PM »
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BILL MILLER says he is honoured to have been given the chance to buy Rangers after being announced as the club's preferred bidder today.

Miller said: "It is a great honour and privilege to have the opportunity to buy Rangers Football Club.

"I respect the club as one of the world's great sporting institutions and one of the UK's most venerable football clubs.

"What Rangers, which includes supporters, players, staff and anyone with the club at heart, have been put through, particularly in recent months, is a travesty and from what I can see they have been badly let down by a number of individuals.

"This will not happen on my watch should I become the custodian of this great club.

"Under my stewardship, Rangers will be managed with fiscal discipline such that the club not only conforms to UEFA Financial Fair Play regulations but also such that Rangers will never have to suffer this kind of anguish again. From now on, Rangers will live within its means - no excuses.

"I have fought hard to try and offer Rangers a fresh start and I hope all Rangers fans will continue to rally round the club as we endeavour to leave behind this distressing chapter in the club's history.

"Finally, and perhaps most importantly, we have worked hard to ensure that there is no loss of history, no loss of tradition and no liquidation of Rangers Football Club. I wouldn't have it any other way."

Bit in bold is especially good to hear.

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Re: Rangers In Administration...
« Reply #573 on: May 3, 2012, 04:47:08 PM »
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David Whitehouse: "We've already been in consultation with largest creditor, HMRC and they're fully aware of and are supportive of the bid.


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DW: HMRC & Ticketus are both creditors of the company and the creditors have voted in favour of the proposals which enable us to do deal.

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« Reply #574 on: May 3, 2012, 11:58:14 PM »
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David Whitehouse: "We've already been in consultation with largest creditor, HMRC and they're fully aware of and are supportive of the bid.


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DW: HMRC & Ticketus are both creditors of the company and the creditors have voted in favour of the proposals which enable us to do deal.

HMRC have said no such thing btw.

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« Reply #575 on: May 4, 2012, 12:00:42 AM »
HMRC have said no such thing btw.
Conflicting statements, somebody has got their wires crossed then.  Administrators are unlikely to just make up a lie surely.

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« Reply #576 on: May 4, 2012, 12:29:50 AM »
Does this mean Rangers escape punishment?

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« Reply #577 on: May 4, 2012, 02:58:51 AM »
A Rangers takeover by Bill Miller would spark fierce battle in the SPL

The club's rivals will question their right to remain in the SPL should Bill Miller's newco plan get the final go-ahead

The sense of panic in Neil Doncaster's voice was detectable. The chief executive of the Scottish Premier League used a series of broadcast interviews earlier this week to play down any controversy attached to any "newco" Rangers competing in the top flight. It was almost a case of one protesting too much.

With Rangers hurtling towards newco formation following confirmation of Bill Miller's preferred bidder status, an immediate and fierce political battle awaits. Doncaster and the SPL clubs have had self-interest and the grasping of revenue as key motivating factors for so long that the chief executive's stance is no surprise.

It remains to be seen – firstly at a meeting on Monday where financial fair play proposals will be discussed – whether or not Rangers would be welcomed back into the SPL under Miller's plan and what penalties such a scenario would entail. If the fair play model isn't passed, the SPL's board is in the invidious position of deciding what to do next with Rangers against a backdrop of inevitable protest.

Remember, these SPL clubs have categorically failed to heed supporter sentiment towards their flawed league set-up. Despite Doncaster himself admitting such basic problems last season, no successful vote on league reconstruction ever occurred. Crowds of 5,200 at Aberdeen and 3,600 at Kilmarnock on Wednesday night provided just a snapshot of how those presiding over the SPL are worthy of little respect. They hardly have a smart record in decision making.

Rangers could in theory call the SPL's bluff and, in doing so, trigger thoughts of what surely would be an uplifting situation in many ways. The moral argument regarding at which level Rangers should emerge from next season continues to rage on – routinely in relation to matters which are as yet unproven – but even their own supporters may recognise the positive aspects of demotion to Division Three. It raises an intriguing possibility, as unrealistic as that may be.

For those Rangers fans, the prospect of having successive points deductions to the extent that Celtic are almost guaranteed to lift the SPL trophy even before a ball is kicked is hardly likely to be palatable. Add in the prospect of no European football for three years and the mooted punishment of losing 75% of SPL commercial revenue and those attached to Rangers will question why they should remain in the top division.

Sandy Jardine, the former Rangers player who has emerged as an ad-hoc spokesman on these matters, has now publicly issued such a threat. Which, quite obviously, will have Doncaster squirming. SPL clubs have become so damagingly reliant on television revenue, largely owing to their own ineptitude elsewhere, that they would descend into an almighty panic if that deal was slashed on account of a Rangers disappearance for three years. Heaven help them, those in boardrooms may have to move towards radical thought.

There is a strand of irony here. The Scottish Football League, comprising divisions one, two and three, has been financially smothered in recent seasons to the extent that many clubs are operating on a hand-to-mouth basis. Those very clubs were ostracised when the SPL chased the as yet unattainable promised land, 14 years ago. A key monetary problem for the SFL is the ludicrous system whereby only one club can gain promotion to the SPL each season.

There can be no doubt that the catapulting of Rangers into the SFL would boost lower-league revenue. A television deal would be put in place and sponsors would finally at least compete for a product in which Rangers would travel to Elgin, Montrose and Stranraer.

Such clubs would benefit from fresh focus bestowed on them and an increase in attendances with the Rangers support, or at least an element of them, attracted by the novelty value of regular visits to previously unforeseen territory. Ibrox crowds would be difficult to predict, even if cheap season tickets, belligerence and the opportunity to support a homegrown side attempting to recover pride would hold an obvious appeal. When Rangers returned to the SPL, they could do so with a degree of financial muscle behind them and legitimately believing they have served time for the wrongdoing of the past.

The position of Celtic is also pertinent. The newly-crowned champions should relish any opportunity to prove they are a stand-alone club, capable of surviving and profiting perfectly well in any event of a short-term Rangers absence. The only danger comes in relation to Europe, and the lack of competition on the domestic scene which Rangers once complained about when failing to make any impact on the Champions League. Hearts, Dundee United and Motherwell may seek the chance to play for the SPL's second place but top-flight quality and strength in depth is nothing like the late 1980s, when the Old Firm faced external pressure for the right reasons rather than on account of diminishing standards.

Miller's move to place an unconditional bid strongly suggests he knows exactly where Rangers will play their football next season. But if there is really an alternative, it could have more positive spin-offs than many would routinely pass off.

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Re: Rangers In Administration...
« Reply #578 on: May 4, 2012, 10:31:35 AM »
anyone listen to talksport this morning? saying dundee utd are 12 mil in debt surely they cant sustain that level of debt ?

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« Reply #579 on: May 4, 2012, 12:06:49 PM »
Conflicting statements, somebody has got their wires crossed then.  Administrators are unlikely to just make up a lie surely.
It's daft, they surely don't think this oldco newco thing can work?


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« Reply #580 on: May 4, 2012, 01:50:29 PM »
It's daft, they surely don't think this oldco newco thing can work?
Apparently it can.

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« Reply #581 on: May 4, 2012, 01:55:23 PM »
anyone listen to talksport this morning? saying dundee utd are 12 mil in debt surely they cant sustain that level of debt ?
Certainly will be harder to without any TV deals, reduced sponsorship and less revenue from away fans.

An example of why when it comes to any vote on Rangers there's more than a moral side to consider.

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« Reply #582 on: May 4, 2012, 02:14:17 PM »
Actually given the Value of the TV contract to the "rebel 10" (less than £2million) factoring out the cost of policing/Stewarding for the visits of Rangers, don't think any other club would be that much worse off without Rangers.

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« Reply #583 on: May 4, 2012, 02:20:12 PM »
Actually given the Value of the TV contract to the "rebel 10" (less than £2million) factoring out the cost of policing/Stewarding for the visits of Rangers, don't think any other club would be that much worse off without Rangers.
That's not true at all, it's been said several times the TV deal while not sensational in money terms is vital for the clubs.

I doubt the stewarding comes anywhere near making up for the match day revenue loss either. 


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« Reply #584 on: May 8, 2012, 03:21:36 PM »
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Duff and Phelps, the administrators of Rangers Football Club, issued the following statement today.

David Whitehouse, joint administrator, said: "Over the last few days media reports have referred to police interest in the circumstances surrounding the takeover of Rangers Football Club in May last year.

"In particular, an impression has been given that we as administrators are in possession of information which may be of interest to the police but, to date, we have not provided.

"Since being appointed administrators in February, we have had a number of meetings with Strathclyde Police and are co-operating fully with them.

"At no time has any request for information from the police been denied nor delayed in any way.

"It goes without saying that any information in relation to these matters is available to the police. As far as we are aware, a decision has yet to be taken by the police authorities whether an investigation would fall within the jurisdiction of Strathclyde Police or the Metropolitan Police.

"We look forward to that decision being made and will co-operate fully with any investigation. It should also be noted that we have instigated civil proceedings at the High Court in London in relation to the takeover of Rangers."

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« Reply #585 on: May 8, 2012, 04:57:36 PM »
A Rangers takeover by Bill Miller would spark fierce battle in the SPL

The club's rivals will question their right to remain in the SPL should Bill Miller's newco plan get the final go-ahead

The sense of panic in Neil Doncaster's voice was detectable. The chief executive of the Scottish Premier League used a series of broadcast interviews earlier this week to play down any controversy attached to any "newco" Rangers competing in the top flight. It was almost a case of one protesting too much.

With Rangers hurtling towards newco formation following confirmation of Bill Miller's preferred bidder status, an immediate and fierce political battle awaits. Doncaster and the SPL clubs have had self-interest and the grasping of revenue as key motivating factors for so long that the chief executive's stance is no surprise.

It remains to be seen – firstly at a meeting on Monday where financial fair play proposals will be discussed – whether or not Rangers would be welcomed back into the SPL under Miller's plan and what penalties such a scenario would entail. If the fair play model isn't passed, the SPL's board is in the invidious position of deciding what to do next with Rangers against a backdrop of inevitable protest.

Remember, these SPL clubs have categorically failed to heed supporter sentiment towards their flawed league set-up. Despite Doncaster himself admitting such basic problems last season, no successful vote on league reconstruction ever occurred. Crowds of 5,200 at Aberdeen and 3,600 at Kilmarnock on Wednesday night provided just a snapshot of how those presiding over the SPL are worthy of little respect. They hardly have a smart record in decision making.

Rangers could in theory call the SPL's bluff and, in doing so, trigger thoughts of what surely would be an uplifting situation in many ways. The moral argument regarding at which level Rangers should emerge from next season continues to rage on – routinely in relation to matters which are as yet unproven – but even their own supporters may recognise the positive aspects of demotion to Division Three. It raises an intriguing possibility, as unrealistic as that may be.

For those Rangers fans, the prospect of having successive points deductions to the extent that Celtic are almost guaranteed to lift the SPL trophy even before a ball is kicked is hardly likely to be palatable. Add in the prospect of no European football for three years and the mooted punishment of losing 75% of SPL commercial revenue and those attached to Rangers will question why they should remain in the top division.

Sandy Jardine, the former Rangers player who has emerged as an ad-hoc spokesman on these matters, has now publicly issued such a threat. Which, quite obviously, will have Doncaster squirming. SPL clubs have become so damagingly reliant on television revenue, largely owing to their own ineptitude elsewhere, that they would descend into an almighty panic if that deal was slashed on account of a Rangers disappearance for three years. Heaven help them, those in boardrooms may have to move towards radical thought.

There is a strand of irony here. The Scottish Football League, comprising divisions one, two and three, has been financially smothered in recent seasons to the extent that many clubs are operating on a hand-to-mouth basis. Those very clubs were ostracised when the SPL chased the as yet unattainable promised land, 14 years ago. A key monetary problem for the SFL is the ludicrous system whereby only one club can gain promotion to the SPL each season.

There can be no doubt that the catapulting of Rangers into the SFL would boost lower-league revenue. A television deal would be put in place and sponsors would finally at least compete for a product in which Rangers would travel to Elgin, Montrose and Stranraer.

Such clubs would benefit from fresh focus bestowed on them and an increase in attendances with the Rangers support, or at least an element of them, attracted by the novelty value of regular visits to previously unforeseen territory. Ibrox crowds would be difficult to predict, even if cheap season tickets, belligerence and the opportunity to support a homegrown side attempting to recover pride would hold an obvious appeal. When Rangers returned to the SPL, they could do so with a degree of financial muscle behind them and legitimately believing they have served time for the wrongdoing of the past.

The position of Celtic is also pertinent. The newly-crowned champions should relish any opportunity to prove they are a stand-alone club, capable of surviving and profiting perfectly well in any event of a short-term Rangers absence. The only danger comes in relation to Europe, and the lack of competition on the domestic scene which Rangers once complained about when failing to make any impact on the Champions League. Hearts, Dundee United and Motherwell may seek the chance to play for the SPL's second place but top-flight quality and strength in depth is nothing like the late 1980s, when the Old Firm faced external pressure for the right reasons rather than on account of diminishing standards.

Miller's move to place an unconditional bid strongly suggests he knows exactly where Rangers will play their football next season. But if there is really an alternative, it could have more positive spin-offs than many would routinely pass off.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2012/may/03/rangers-bill-miller-spl

withdrawn his bid now apparently.


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« Reply #586 on: May 8, 2012, 04:58:47 PM »
BBC saying that Bill Miller has pulled out as PB.  The cluster fuk continues for Rangers.
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« Reply #587 on: May 8, 2012, 05:02:13 PM »
Entertaining stuff.

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« Reply #588 on: May 8, 2012, 05:08:58 PM »
Rangers fans happy enough with this no doubt. Another yank who surely was looking to make a quick buck. Wouldn't wish it on any club (except utd :) ) after what happened ours
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« Reply #589 on: May 8, 2012, 05:20:16 PM »
Entertaining stuff.
Glad you find the pain of fellow football fans entertaining.

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« Reply #590 on: May 8, 2012, 05:21:04 PM »
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#Rangers administrators say 3 other bids on table. Not including Knights/Kennedy. 1 UK and 2 international.

Just want his shit to end.   :'(

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« Reply #591 on: May 8, 2012, 05:27:50 PM »
Glad you find the pain of fellow football fans entertaining.

That's the thing, I don't understand how a Liverpool fan can find something like this entertaining. We were on the verge of administration, we were ran into the ground, we still haven't recovered and it will take a long time until we do unfortunately IMO. It hurt, ALOT.
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« Reply #592 on: May 8, 2012, 05:28:04 PM »
Rangers fans happy enough with this no doubt. Another yank who surely was looking to make a quick buck. Wouldn't wish it on any club (except utd :) ) after what happened ours

Doubt it. He seemed a solid enough businessman. Smart enough to know, upon inspection of the books, that Rangers' financial situation is a lot worse than Duff and Phelps are letting on.

To make matters worse, the players will soon be back on full wages after taking substantial wage cuts. What will that do to the club?

We should go for Allan McGregor - top goalkeeper for only £2m.

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« Reply #593 on: May 8, 2012, 05:31:27 PM »
So Rangers fans played a part in why he pulled out? crazy.

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Re: Rangers In Administration...
« Reply #594 on: May 8, 2012, 05:33:06 PM »
So Rangers fans played a part in why he pulled out? crazy.

So he claims, but I doubt it had much of an impact. Finances by far the main issue.

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Re: Rangers In Administration...
« Reply #595 on: May 8, 2012, 05:35:37 PM »
Bill-Mill-er no! We will not let you go (let me go!).

Mamma mia. Magnifico.

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Re: Rangers In Administration...
« Reply #596 on: May 8, 2012, 05:38:59 PM »
That's the thing, I don't understand how a Liverpool fan can find something like this entertaining. We were on the verge of administration, we were ran into the ground, we still haven't recovered and it will take a long time until we do unfortunately IMO. It hurt, ALOT.


We didn't even get the benefit of buying titles because of our financial mismangement - at least Rangers fans did.

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Re: Rangers In Administration...
« Reply #597 on: May 8, 2012, 05:41:13 PM »
Bill-Mill-er no! We will not let you go (let me go!).

Mamma mia. Magnifico.

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Roy mate,that's the work of genius

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Re: Rangers In Administration...
« Reply #598 on: May 8, 2012, 06:29:22 PM »
That's the thing, I don't understand how a Liverpool fan can find something like this entertaining. We were on the verge of administration, we were ran into the ground, we still haven't recovered and it will take a long time until we do unfortunately IMO. It hurt, ALOT.

But I'd rather Liverpool had gone to the lowest division to get rid of Hicks & Gillett, if FSG hadnt shown up.
I wouldnt want to be tainted - that Football administrators had pulled strings/manipulated rules for us to remain in the Premier League or what I still call the 2nd Division (Championship).

If I was a Glasgow Rangers fan i'd rather go down to the bottom, and fight me way back up again with pride.
Thats the way forward, otherwise whatever they achieve in the future will be tainted.

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Re: Rangers In Administration...
« Reply #599 on: May 8, 2012, 06:34:04 PM »
That's the thing, I don't understand how a Liverpool fan can find something like this entertaining. We were on the verge of administration, we were ran into the ground, we still haven't recovered and it will take a long time until we do unfortunately IMO. It hurt, ALOT.

I agree, but then the majority of fans from other clubs didn't give a flying fuck what happened to us, some of them actually wanting us to go tits up.  While I certainly don't take pleasure in other clubs going to the wall, I also have zero sympathy for them.