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Re: Kenny Dalglish, the Brighton game.
« Reply #40 on: February 13, 2012, 05:42:24 PM »
Our captain has been incredibly quiet in all of this.

I imagine he's been advised to be quiet.

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Re: Kenny Dalglish, the Brighton game.
« Reply #41 on: February 13, 2012, 05:44:44 PM »
And before the match during the "pre match handshakes" boo and whistle as loud as we can, just to let the FA know what we think of there silly little ritual.
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« Reply #42 on: February 13, 2012, 05:51:52 PM »
I really hope we can win this trophy this season, Suarez lifting the FA`s baby for all to see would be a real middle finger salute.

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Re: Kenny Dalglish, the Brighton game.
« Reply #43 on: February 13, 2012, 05:53:33 PM »
Our captain has been incredibly quiet in all of this.

and rightly so
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Re: Kenny Dalglish, the Brighton game.
« Reply #44 on: February 13, 2012, 05:54:01 PM »
I imagine he's been advised to be quiet.
I just think he could have been seen to be supporting his manager and his team-mate a bit more but I don't recall him speaking on the subject.

The other point here is that IF Liverpool as a club believe that Evra over-stated the claims which is what the statement in December effectively said, why did any of our players shake the lying pricks hand ?

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Re: Kenny Dalglish, the Brighton game.
« Reply #45 on: February 13, 2012, 05:56:34 PM »
and rightly so
We have lost the hearts and minds argument. Somebody who has Steven Gerrard's reputation could have given Luis and Kenny very public support like Pepe did but he has not. He hasn't spoke on the matter.

Steven could easily have said "Kenny is a great guy, to say he is soft on racism is ridiculous, anybody pointing fingers at Kenny Dalglish needs to have a good look at themselves".


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Re: Kenny Dalglish, the Brighton game.
« Reply #46 on: February 13, 2012, 05:57:34 PM »
I just think he could have been seen to be supporting his manager and his team-mate a bit more but I don't recall him speaking on the subject.

The other point here is that IF Liverpool as a club believe that Evra over-stated the claims which is what the statement in December effectively said, why did any of our players shake the lying pricks hand ?

Gerrard is just a player - other than being Captain of the team he has no official capacity within the club and it is not in his job description to make statements on controversial issues to do with the club.  The fewer people involved the better.

Because if they didn't there would have been even more controversy and the club went to the game believing that it had all been sorted.
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Re: Kenny Dalglish, the Brighton game.
« Reply #47 on: February 13, 2012, 05:58:24 PM »
The owners can fuck off too in my opinion. Forcing Kenny to apologise for defending our club, and under extreme fire from that pondlife interviewer, is disgusting. Honeymoon over for them I'm afraid.

I spent quite a bit of time writing a lengthy post on this last night, only to find out that thread had been locked by the time I hit the "post" button (there's an hour of my life I won't get back) looking at the situation from the point of view of an American who knows something about the way American sports franchises look at things.

To make a long story short:  I can certainly believe that FSG required Suárez to apologize for the non-handshake.  I doubt very much, however, that they pressured KK to make an apology to the media.

The one thing that you can count on, in  U.S. ownership's eyes, of being close to a cardinal sin, is to have a player disobey, mislead, lie to, or otherwise "show up" his manager or coach.  If Luis had been a player in another sport here in the U.S.A., he would certainly have been benched for several games -- and even a cup final -- for such an offense.  When Handshakegate erupted on Saturday, I'm sure that was the first thing that crossed the minds of the owners, that Suárez had to be disciplined.  It would only have come down on Kenny had it turned out that he hadn't gotten Luis's promise to shake hands, and had claimed to the press that he had.

In the U.S. way of doing things, you would not come down on the player, and at the same time discipline the manager, because the main message the ownership would be sending is that players need to respect the manager unreservedly.  Coming down on the manager at the same time would undermine that.

I really think Kenny's expression of regret was self-generated, and stemmed mainly from his embarrassment in going into that interview while apparently being the only person at OT to not know about the handshake incident by two hours thereafter.  I'm sure he thought it made him look like he didn't have control of his team.  And, while we probably all enjoyed his ire toward Shreeves, on an objective basis, he didn't handle it all that well, first going off into an irrelevant tangent about the number of bookings, then blaming everything on the media (which was made odd by the fact that he was contrasting it to the cup tie two weeks ago, when the same media noise machine was still going full-blast).  Kenny may dislike reporters as much as we do, but he could have handled the questions better had he known what had gone on at the start of the game, and I'm sure he felt like he'd come off looking a bit foolish.

In short, if you're going to blame the owners for telling Suárez he needed to apologize (although I'd be willing to bet KK told him the same thing), or if you thought it was their influence that caused Ayre to issue an overly heavy-handed criticism of Luis on the part of the club, fine.  But I think the odds are way against anyone from FSG telling Kenny he needed to himself apologize for that interview -- odds are, it stemmed from his own embarrassment at how he handled it.


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Re: Kenny Dalglish, the Brighton game.
« Reply #48 on: February 13, 2012, 05:59:18 PM »
I just think he could have been seen to be supporting his manager and his team-mate a bit more but I don't recall him speaking on the subject.

The other point here is that IF Liverpool as a club believe that Evra over-stated the claims which is what the statement in December effectively said, why did any of our players shake the lying pricks hand ?
It would have caused even more of a stir. They released a statement supporting him and wore t-shirts to show for their support. They really could'nt  have done anymore as squad.   Gerrard was clearly behind him on Saturday putting his arm around him and giving him a pep talk before the kick off on Saturday. I think he's done all he could.
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Re: Kenny Dalglish, the Brighton game.
« Reply #49 on: February 13, 2012, 05:59:43 PM »
The owners can fuck off too in my opinion.

Erm no. Shameful comment.

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Re: Kenny Dalglish, the Brighton game.
« Reply #50 on: February 13, 2012, 06:03:57 PM »
Erm no. Shameful comment.
There's quite a few on here
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Re: Kenny Dalglish, the Brighton game.
« Reply #51 on: February 13, 2012, 06:05:56 PM »
Our owners are c*nts.

They clearly care more about THEIR reputation than standing by our manager.

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Re: Kenny Dalglish, the Brighton game.
« Reply #52 on: February 13, 2012, 06:06:45 PM »
The owners did what they did to save the club from anymore damage from this sad episode of events! Im only sorry they didnt act earlier and put all this shit to bed before we got to this stage the only thing that bothers me about it is that Kenny has taken a battering from the absolute filth and scum that is the British media and we need to show him how much we respect him, and them how much we hate them!!

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Re: Kenny Dalglish, the Brighton game.
« Reply #53 on: February 13, 2012, 06:07:01 PM »
The owners can fuck off too in my opinion. Forcing Kenny to apologise for defending our club, and under extreme fire from that pondlife interviewer, is disgusting. Honeymoon over for them I'm afraid.

You think they made Kenny do that? I think you underestimate Kenny. If he didn't know the facts before those questions after the game, then he answered the questions to the best of his knowledge and now it looks rather embarassing.

You better be ready to put your hand in your pocket, if the American owners do walk away. Not sure if you remember who came in to rescue us. Cannot see what they have done wrong myself.

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Re: Kenny Dalglish, the Brighton game.
« Reply #54 on: February 13, 2012, 06:13:39 PM »
Gerrard is just a player - other than being Captain of the team he has no official capacity within the club and it is not in his job description to make statements on controversial issues to do with the club.  The fewer people involved the better.

Because if they didn't there would have been even more controversy and the club went to the game believing that it had all been sorted.
But this is where I would disagree with you. On a serious issue like racism, one looks forward to statements from the Club (the whole matter was grossly mishandled), the Manager (there were many), and the Captain (there was none). The player involved cannot be expected to talk for obvious reasons, and other players don't carry the same weight as the captain, except perhaps in this case Johnson, who did wear the Suarez shirt. As Bigbear said, Stevie didn't have to go into the meat of the matter but could have just said a few words of support of Kenny and the club, that's all. In fact, I think it's his duty and obligation.
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Re: Kenny Dalglish, the Brighton game.
« Reply #55 on: February 13, 2012, 06:15:06 PM »
You think they made Kenny do that? I think you underestimate Kenny. If he didn't know the facts before those questions after the game, then he answered the questions to the best of his knowledge and now it looks rather embarassing.

You better be ready to put your hand in your pocket, if the American owners do walk away. Not sure if you remember who came in to rescue us. Cannot see what they have done wrong myself.

This and this. Kenny wouldn't have said anything at all if he didn't agree with it (though I don't know about apologizing for his interview, tbf). He doesn't strike me as the kind of person who wants to cling on to his job so badly that he'd go out and say something he doesn't believe or want to say.

And the owners? They could have hung Suarez out to dry months ago, and would have done so if they didn't have at least some testicular fortitude. The fact that it's only just gone over the line they weren't willing to cross is, in my opinion, is something we should be thankful for. If they don't "push Suarez and Kenny out" this summer as the gutter press wants us to believe they will, but rather stick by Kenny (not even a question they'll do this in my opinion) and give Luis a chance to redeem himself (less certain), then they'll have done more than we could have asked for.
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Re: Kenny Dalglish, the Brighton game.
« Reply #56 on: February 13, 2012, 06:15:20 PM »
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Re: Kenny Dalglish, the Brighton game.
« Reply #57 on: February 13, 2012, 06:21:32 PM »
I just think he could have been seen to be supporting his manager and his team-mate a bit more but I don't recall him speaking on the subject.

The other point here is that IF Liverpool as a club believe that Evra over-stated the claims which is what the statement in December effectively said, why did any of our players shake the lying pricks hand ?

The club obviously don't want to be bothered with anything that can't be controlled. Look at LFCTV tonight - the live phone in at 6pm failed to appear. I suppose FSG aren't listening any longer. It's getting like a Soviet-style propaganda channel.

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Re: Kenny Dalglish, the Brighton game.
« Reply #58 on: February 13, 2012, 06:21:56 PM »
This and this. Kenny wouldn't have said anything at all if he didn't agree with it (though I don't know about apologizing for his interview, tbf). He doesn't strike me as the kind of person who wants to cling on to his job so badly that he'd go out and say something he doesn't believe or want to say.

And the owners? They could have hung Suarez out to dry months ago, and would have done so if they didn't have at least some testicular fortitude. The fact that it's only just gone over the line they weren't willing to cross is, in my opinion, is something we should be thankful for. If they don't "push Suarez and Kenny out" this summer as the gutter press wants us to believe they will, but rather stick by Kenny (not even a question they'll do this in my opinion) and give Luis a chance to redeem himself (less certain), then they'll have done more than we could have asked for.

Thanks. Kenny needs our support more than ever, not because of anything other than, he is our manager and he took a bullet for all of us. He is a legend and we should never forget what he has achieved and what he has done for Liverpool.

Kenny will be backed. Suarez has probably got a tight rope to walk.

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Re: Kenny Dalglish, the Brighton game.
« Reply #59 on: February 13, 2012, 06:24:21 PM »
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Re: Kenny Dalglish, the Brighton game.
« Reply #60 on: February 13, 2012, 06:24:43 PM »
And the owners? They could have hung Suarez out to dry months ago, and would have done so if they didn't have at least some testicular fortitude.

Precisely.  To quote another part of my unpublished post from last night:

"Obviously, this has been at least a minor headache for FSG for some time.  But they certainly weren't heavy-handed in trying to control the situation with LFC; if they had been, they would have taken action back in October.  Specifically, the American way of dealing with this would have been to have found out what Suárez actually said to Evra and, upon learning that he had used the word "negro" (and even if understanding the differences between the word in English and Spanish and the lack of offense in using the word in Uruguay), would probably immediately have suspended him pre-emptively for a couple of matches and ordered him to publicly apologize to Evra.  And that would have pissed a lot of people off here.  But it also might have had a better outcome than what eventually happened -- maybe the FA wouldn't have come down anywhere near as hard on him themselves, and the media wouldn't have turned this into a four-month shit-storm.  Or maybe it would have made no difference.  But, if FSG were really riding herd on this, they would have taken action a lot earlier; if not in October, when LFC came out with the defiant (and, sadly, largely ridiculed outside of Liverpool) reaction to the verdict, or the t-shirt incident, or whenever.  The fact is, FSG seems to have taken a largely hands-off approach until now."

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« Reply #61 on: February 13, 2012, 06:30:25 PM »
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Re: Kenny Dalglish, the Brighton game.
« Reply #62 on: February 13, 2012, 06:34:14 PM »
We have lost the hearts and minds argument. Somebody who has Steven Gerrard's reputation could have given Luis and Kenny very public support like Pepe did but he has not. He hasn't spoke on the matter.

Steven could easily have said "Kenny is a great guy, to say he is soft on racism is ridiculous, anybody pointing fingers at Kenny Dalglish needs to have a good look at themselves".



I imagine Gerrard has 1 eye on the England captaincy. Saying that would piss all over the media's strawberries and he could kiss goodbye to his chances.

Chances are, he's been told to say nothing. Last thing we needed would of been someone else at the club getting involved.
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Re: Kenny Dalglish, the Brighton game.
« Reply #63 on: February 13, 2012, 06:37:31 PM »
I wouldn't be surprised if everyone is locked in at Melwood. LFCTV has dropped anything likely to reflect the mood of its own fans and the official site looks like its been deserted all day. Pathetic.

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Re: Kenny Dalglish, the Brighton game.
« Reply #64 on: February 13, 2012, 06:44:13 PM »
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Re: Kenny Dalglish, the Brighton game.
« Reply #65 on: February 13, 2012, 06:53:54 PM »
Will people please drop the 'Kenny wouldn't have apologised if he didn't want to' bullshit. He was told by FSG to apologise so he did, just fucking deal with it.

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Re: Kenny Dalglish, the Brighton game.
« Reply #66 on: February 13, 2012, 07:05:46 PM »
Will people please drop the 'Kenny wouldn't have apologised if he didn't want to' bullshit. He was told by FSG to apologise so he did, just fucking deal with it.

And you base this on exactly what?

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Re: Kenny Dalglish, the Brighton game.
« Reply #67 on: February 13, 2012, 07:24:41 PM »
I wish I could be there. To the lads who are going to be there, rock it fellas. Let the world know what this great man means to us. Come on Redmen!

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Re: Kenny Dalglish, the Brighton game.
« Reply #68 on: February 13, 2012, 07:26:47 PM »
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Re: Kenny Dalglish, the Brighton game.
« Reply #69 on: February 13, 2012, 07:48:05 PM »
Suarez opener. Then he can run across and give Kenny a big hug.

That should set some tongues wagging/pens writing/knives sharpening

i can see it now. "Racist Suarez doesn't celebrate with black teammate Glen Johnson and instead goes to thank known racism supporter Kenny Dalglish."

And for everyone, Suarez was right to apologize. you say that the owners should support him no matter what. well, guess what, they did. and then Luis thanked their and Kenny's unconditional support by lying to them and not shaking Evra's hand.
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« Reply #70 on: February 13, 2012, 07:52:34 PM »
Gerrard is just a player - other than being Captain of the team he has no official capacity within the club and it is not in his job description to make statements on controversial issues to do with the club.  The fewer people involved the better.

Because if they didn't there would have been even more controversy and the club went to the game believing that it had all been sorted.

See again I can't buy into this about Steven Gerrard staying quiet; he did it when Twit & Twot were here, understandable, yes to some degree I suppose but it didn't stop Pepe and Torres. 

Steven could have shown a bit of public support for his boyhood club that seems to be in turmoil.

Back to the match, have to say I wish I was going but as I'm not and you can all tell me to shut up if you like but I'd love to see the same atmoshpere as that Spurs game a couple of seasons ago, when the banners and everything were out.  Rafa and the players were made up with that and now's the time to show Kenny the same support.   

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Re: Kenny Dalglish, the Brighton game.
« Reply #71 on: February 13, 2012, 07:56:07 PM »
Its time Kenny got the same sort of show of support that Rafa got when his position was first threatened.
The media struggled to put Rafa under real pressure until a portion of the fanbase turned on him.

Personally i dont believe his position is under threat or the apology will have made him consider his future, however it is not a chance we should take.
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Re: Kenny Dalglish, the Brighton game.
« Reply #72 on: February 13, 2012, 07:57:09 PM »
Gerrard's probably tied and gagged. FSG don't seem to want any employee saying anything unless it's some inane waffle about how fourth place is still possible. And they definitely don't want any fans talking. The new warrior kit ought to come with a yellow stripe down the back to reflect our new stance.

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Re: Kenny Dalglish, the Brighton game.
« Reply #73 on: February 13, 2012, 08:01:42 PM »
Gerrard's probably tied and gagged. FSG don't seem to want any employee saying anything unless it's some inane waffle about how fourth place is still possible. And they definitely don't want any fans talking. The new warrior kit ought to come with a yellow stripe down the back to reflect our new stance.

4th place is still possible isnt it?

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Re: Kenny Dalglish, the Brighton game.
« Reply #74 on: February 13, 2012, 08:01:49 PM »
We have lost the hearts and minds argument. Somebody who has Steven Gerrard's reputation could have given Luis and Kenny very public support like Pepe did but he has not. He hasn't spoke on the matter.

Steven could easily have said "Kenny is a great guy, to say he is soft on racism is ridiculous, anybody pointing fingers at Kenny Dalglish needs to have a good look at themselves".

With the collective club apologies, one would hope a line has been drawn in the sand. For Gerrard to come out and give a statement along the lines of what you suggest would add further fuel to the fire and give the media increased ammunition. Let's all keep our heads down (forums included) and just ride the storm. Everything that needs to be said has been said.
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Re: Kenny Dalglish, the Brighton game.
« Reply #75 on: February 13, 2012, 08:03:21 PM »
With the collective club apologies, one would hope a line has been drawn in the sand. For Gerrard to come out and give a statement along the lines of what you suggest would add further fuel to the fire and give the media increased ammunition. Let's all keep our heads down (forums included) and just ride the storm. Everything that needs to be said has been said.

Agreed , we just need to get back to talking about , and playing football matches.We dont need anymore statements , look at the fuss yesterday's caused.

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Re: Kenny Dalglish, the Brighton game.
« Reply #76 on: February 13, 2012, 08:05:51 PM »
4th place is still possible isnt it?

Yes it is, but I'm tired of seeing and reading players who've just under-performed cheerfully repeating what they said the last time they under-performed.

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Re: Kenny Dalglish, the Brighton game.
« Reply #77 on: February 13, 2012, 08:13:10 PM »
The only way we can compete with the other clubs is by bringing in extra money through sponsorship deals and naming rights for any stadium. Sometimes the bigger picture needs to be looked at in the long run. If we piss present sponsors or potential sponsors off to such a degree we are left high and dry, what good does that do to the future of LFC?

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Re: Kenny Dalglish, the Brighton game.
« Reply #78 on: February 13, 2012, 08:16:42 PM »
There's quite a few on here

Our owners are c*nts.

Right afterwards. I don't agree with how things were handled over last couple of days but utterly pathetic resorting to calling our owners such things.

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Re: Kenny Dalglish, the Brighton game.
« Reply #79 on: February 13, 2012, 08:23:43 PM »
The owners by saying nothing have supported Kenny till the handshake, but there comes a point when companies who are giving the club millions start getting nervous at the bad press, we know its mostly bollocks from a  biased media etc but for a business its bad news, and yes we can say well fuck off from our club,but in the real world we need the money to run the club, just look at Rangers
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