Author Topic: Ian Ayre's statement and Suarez's apology (Read 51880 times)

Tartaruga · « **Reply #1800 on:** February 12, 2012, 08:55:33 PM »

Quote from: ArcticRed on February 12, 2012, 08:37:41 PM

With all due respect... I think you ought to educate yourself on the situation before coming here stating your views so firmly.
A casual gander at the initial Suarez/Evra case and the FA report might have you change your tune, if you're as neutral as you state.
Tribalism or not... I would hope for the sake of your supporters intelligence and integrity that you'ld all have gone to the same lengths as us, if it was one of your players in Luis' place. Or at least felt insulted enough to consider it.

I think I'm talking about how you come across to a world which is inevitably less informed than you but also less reason to be biased.

Take it away from LFC for a minute imagine we're talking to hard-line Isralie's or Palestinians, Iranians or Russians, what the fuck do we really know of the situations they're reacting to? But at the same time how balanced do their views come across as?

I guess from my perspective, if Suarez was innocent, if the FA inquiry was a sham (and I'm willing to accept that it may have been), then LFC should have challenged it, they could have taken it all the way to CASS if needs be. But as with anything, once you plead guilty or after the verdict accept the verdict and don't challenge it, then that's the end of the matter. Suarez did use a Uruguayan term of endearment at least once in his conversation with Evra and that term of endearment could have been misconstrued as racist. This is Suarez's defence and it fits the facts. As could a plethora of alternative stories. Only he and Evra know the truth, the rest of us frankly don't have a fucking clue apart from that LFC didn't challenge the verdict of the inquiry.

Vulmea · « **Reply #1801 on:** February 12, 2012, 08:56:01 PM »

Quote from: Macphisto80 on February 12, 2012, 08:28:58 PM

All this bollocks because he didn't shake a single dickhead's hand. The World has gone fucking mental, and we've caved into the media mogul big style here by bending over and taking it up the arse. Mr Alex Ferguson can and will get away with defending players who jump and kung-fu kick people in the stands, backing players who avoid drug tests, and forgiving granny and sister-in-law shagging adulterers in his ranks. That is all fine and dandy to the press. It's quickly brushed under the rug. Mr Ferguson can also go around insulting officials and players of other clubs that he deems unsavoury to himself. Once he gets a chip on his shoulder for a player, that player might as well pack his bags and fuck off, because nothing will stop him. No. Not the FA, certainly not the media. Where is the out cry for an apology over what he said about a employee of this football club? There isn't any. It fucking stinks. Fuck the lot of them! Fuck the FA, and fuck what this league and football in general has turned into!

i dont like the git down the road but cantona and ferdinand served longer bans than suarez didn't they? It wasn't exactly brushed under the carpet.

now if you'd quoted schmeichel/ ian wright or his own alleged racism charge that may be different

cowtownred · « **Reply #1802 on:** February 12, 2012, 08:56:19 PM »

Quote from: shelovesyou on February 12, 2012, 08:45:55 PM

By who ?

You'll pardon me if I don't bother answering you. You and I have a history which I don't recall happily.

If you will you are Evra to my Suarez.

Don't bother replying to this please.

montysmum · « **Reply #1803 on:** February 12, 2012, 08:56:23 PM »

Quote from: Al 555 on February 12, 2012, 08:48:06 PM

I wonder if they new kit will have a yellow streak running through it.

Love some of these doom and gloom comments

Jellies · « **Reply #1804 on:** February 12, 2012, 08:56:58 PM »

Quote from: Tartaruga on February 12, 2012, 08:32:07 PM

First off, laughable how everybody seem to think they know every bit of fact about the case. And I'm not even sure of what you criticize the fans of? We defended Suarez because we thought he was unfairly treated and I hope you'd done the same for one of your players if you thought he was unfairly treated by pretty much every newspaper in the country and the football association. Everybody would've gone to be as defensive as we were with kind of pressure and abuse we felt.

We never accepted or condoned one of the few extremist fans we have, we kept our heads, kept to the facts and criticized whatever the club did wrong in the case. The club is seen badly upon because of the media's angle of the stories which by all accounts have been one-sided and hugely influenced by laziness and a sense of pressure from the overall media industry in UK. Nobody who dealt with this case cared about facts , linguistic or intentions, and that's why we've opposed the way the club, Luis and Kenny have been treated by almost everybody around us. Most of us kept our heads cool when our club and us fans as individuals were called racists, when our most legendary player of all was called KKKenny and our ground of a history of consolation, success and legendary tales was called Klanfield. I'm proud of a big lump of our fanbase and until today of the club too.

In this case almost everybody lost - the fight vs. racism, FA, Liverpool and football. Evra and Ferguson, who I can assure you were never harmed in any way during this case, were the only winners.

killer_heels · « **Reply #1805 on:** February 12, 2012, 08:57:22 PM »

Quote from: shelovesyou on February 12, 2012, 08:45:55 PM

By who ?

Someone in the club. Probably the yanks.

shelovesyou · « **Reply #1806 on:** February 12, 2012, 08:58:12 PM »

Quote from: killer_heels on February 12, 2012, 08:55:33 PM

Why did Kenny need to apologise, he did nothing wrong.

Well clearly he felt he did.

mtred1984 · « **Reply #1807 on:** February 12, 2012, 08:58:44 PM »

Those who are pointing the finger at suarez saying its his fault where in this mess, are playing into one mans hand. What hope have we got that arguably one of the better players weve seen the last decade to play on the anfield turf, will stay when his own fans are pointing the finger at him. Fucking disgraceful

shelovesyou · « **Reply #1808 on:** February 12, 2012, 08:58:52 PM »

Quote from: killer_heels on February 12, 2012, 08:57:22 PM

Someone in the club. Probably the yanks.

Not having that im afraid. Its nothing to do with Ferguson.

Jellies · « **Reply #1809 on:** February 12, 2012, 08:59:28 PM »

Quote from: Tartaruga on February 12, 2012, 08:55:33 PM

I guess from my perspective, if Suarez was innocent, if the FA inquiry was a sham (and I'm willing to accept that it may have been), then LFC should have challenged it, they could have taken it all the way to CASS if needs be.

We should. But the 'court' to review the inquiry would also be FA who had, in their original statement, warned that the punishment could be worsened if Liverpool challenged. Lose/lose-situation for Liverpool.

rafa4eva · « **Reply #1810 on:** February 12, 2012, 08:59:36 PM »

Quote from: cowtownred on February 12, 2012, 08:56:19 PM

You'll pardon me if I don't bother answering you. You and I have a history which I don't recall happily.

If you will you are Evra to my Suarez.

Don't bother replying to this please.

Camarero25 · « **Reply #1811 on:** February 12, 2012, 08:59:53 PM »

Quote from: Tartaruga on February 12, 2012, 08:55:33 PM

I guess from my perspective, if Suarez was innocent, if the FA inquiry was a sham (and I'm willing to accept that it may have been), then LFC should have challenged it, they could have taken it all the way to CASS if needs be. But as with anything, once you plead guilty or after the verdict accept the verdict and don't challenge it, then that's the end of the matter. Suarez did use a Uruguayan term of endearment at least once in his conversation with Evra and that term of endearment could have been misconstrued as racist. This is Suarez's defence and it fits the facts. As could a plethora of alternative stories. Only he and Evra know the truth, the rest of us frankly don't have a fucking clue apart from that LFC didn't challenge the verdict of the inquiry.

That's the key mistake we made, for me. We reacted so strongly to the verdict, because it was a complete load of bollocks, but then we just bent over and took it. Therefore, it looks to neutrals like we accepted the punishment, and then went on to support Suarez anyway.

The Grinch · « **Reply #1812 on:** February 12, 2012, 09:00:45 PM »

Quote from: Wingman on February 12, 2012, 08:53:17 PM

Yeah, that's normally how it works .. Oh no, hang on, you missed out "spy" and "paedophile".

Well United fans already sing about Wenger being a paedophile so I think it will have to be a spy. OOOPs sorry I forgot about Ned Kelly the ex SAS man Ferguson employed to spy on people.

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Wingman · « **Reply #1813 on:** February 12, 2012, 09:01:02 PM »

Quote from: Arcadian on February 12, 2012, 08:45:43 PM

A thread full of fannies and 12 year olds.

and unfunny twats

BoRed · « **Reply #1814 on:** February 12, 2012, 09:01:16 PM »

Quote from: Tartaruga on February 12, 2012, 08:55:33 PM

But as with anything, once you plead guilty or after the verdict accept the verdict and don't challenge it, then that's the end of the matter. Suarez did use a Uruguayan term of endearment at least once in his conversation with Evra and that term of endearment could have been misconstrued as racist. This is Suarez's defence and it fits the facts. As could a plethora of alternative stories. Only he and Evra know the truth, the rest of us frankly don't have a fucking clue apart from that LFC didn't challenge the verdict of the inquiry.

Which is why people have said you need to get informed before forming opinions. First of all, we could only appeal the punishment, and not the verdict, and second, going to CAS is against the FA regulations and could have resulted with us having points deducted. And the CAS would have thrown the case out precisely because it's outside their jurisdiction.

Appeals made more sense in Stalinist Russia than at the FA.

Andy · « **Reply #1815 on:** February 12, 2012, 09:01:55 PM »

Quote from: cowtownred on February 12, 2012, 08:53:26 PM

You think those two statements hold any water whatsoever?

Take the Ferguson thing. He fucking practically RAN to the refs room after the Anfield match. Couldn't fucking believe his luck. Fact that Evra wa already known to be a snidey lying little c*nt was a problem he could deal with later, as long as he could influence what the officials would record, and that he could ensure a behind closed doors investigation by his mates at the FA.
Meantime he put in place the dirty diving foreigner slurs against Suarez in tandem.

Now he's not spoken in advance to his 'captain' about the upcoming handshake, no siree Bob. After the game, miraculously, he changes his mind. Evra was told by his fucking Majesty, the GREAT ONE, to be a man son, keep your head and extend the hand of friendship to the dirty cheating racist little daygo. WELL WHICH ONE WAS THE TRUTH? Hes a lying fucking bastard, who then advises that we should sell one of our players because he is classless? Get to fuck. And you think that this is perfectly justifiable? You'll pardon me if I disagree and see right through that dirty besotted fucking c*nt.

Of course that's what I think is true: that's why I wrote them.

In no way do I like Ferguson or Evra, but people are taking the paranoia to a whole new level. Suarez should have just shaken Evra's hand and got on with the game, especially as that is what he said he'd do.

I think you are getting a bit excited by it all so I will take your suggestion of agreeing to disagree.

El-Padre · « **Reply #1816 on:** February 12, 2012, 09:02:26 PM »

Just to lighten the mood: Suarez and Evra - in an alternate universe. Quite touching.

http://www.balls.ie/2012/02/12/luis-suarezpatrice-evra-the-alternate-universe/

Macphisto80 · « **Reply #1817 on:** February 12, 2012, 09:02:53 PM »

Quote from: Vulmea on February 12, 2012, 08:56:01 PM

i dont like the git down the road but cantona and ferdinand served longer bans than suarez didn't they? It wasn't exactly brushed under the carpet.

now if you'd quoted schmeichel/ ian wright or his own alleged racism charge that may be different

It was brushed under the carpet in terms of Eric's career. I recall him being an instant hero when he came back and everything was forgiven. Super Eric. Now, if anyone else in any profession on the planet did that, not only would he served jail time for assault (which he should have) but he'd have been sacked from his job. Fergie and the media backed this man, whereas with Suarez, they want him hung, drawn and quartered for not shaking a persons hand.

killer_heels · « **Reply #1818 on:** February 12, 2012, 09:03:52 PM »

Quote from: Andy on February 12, 2012, 09:01:55 PM

Of course that's what I think is true: that's why I wrote them.

In no way do I like Ferguson or Evra, but people are taking the paranoia to a whole new level. Suarez should have just shaken Evra's hand and got on with the game, especially as that is what he said he'd do.

I think you are getting a bit excited by it all so I will take your suggestion of agreeing to disagree.

Suarez shouldn't have been made or asked to shake Evra's hand. If he didn't want to then its up to him. He chose not to so that's it. He didn't do anything wrong.

So what if he told Kenny he would shake his hand? It's a stupid ritual.

Hazell · « **Reply #1819 on:** February 12, 2012, 09:04:50 PM »

Quote from: Camarero25 on February 12, 2012, 08:54:45 PM

We couldn't really win though. If we believe Suarez is innocent, then we had to stick up for him. Unfortunately, the media view on it has been very one sided, with no one bothering to look into the reasons behind our support for Suarez. Instead we have been labelled as supporting a racist, and so the majority of "neutral" fans will take the (mis)information they've been given from the media and go with that view.

Yeah exactly. That Tottenham fan being a case in point.

Quote from: Camarero25 on February 12, 2012, 08:54:45 PM

The people at fault here are the FA, for taking such a serious issue of racism, and handing down a guilty verdict without any concrete evidence whatsoever. You can't brand a man a racist on "the balance of probabilities", it is a very serious accusation, and Suarez's career and the reputation of the club has been tarnished because the FA wanted to make an example of someone.

I'd add Ferguson to that list. Right from the off, I'll bet he was rubbing his hands with glee, immediately after the match he had his post match interview, where he labelled Suarez a diver and it's just continued from there consistently talking about us and racism in the papers and other media whilst saying he's been quiet on the whole issue. Yesterday he must have had a hard on when Suarez and Evra didn't shake hands. Of course, nothing's been said about his behaviour but I guess it was too much to ask after nearly 30 years of getting away with it. This was never about racism with him, it was about getting one over on Liverpool.

ArcticRed · « **Reply #1820 on:** February 12, 2012, 09:05:23 PM »

Quote from: Tartaruga on February 12, 2012, 08:55:33 PM

I think I'm talking about how you come across to a world which is inevitably less informed than you but also less reason to be biased.

Take it away from LFC for a minute imagine we're talking to hard-line Isralie's or Palestinians, Iranians or Russians, what the fuck do we really know of the situations they're reacting to? But at the same time how balanced do their views come across as?

I guess from my perspective, if Suarez was innocent, if the FA inquiry was a sham (and I'm willing to accept that it may have been), then LFC should have challenged it, they could have taken it all the way to CASS if needs be. But as with anything, once you plead guilty or after the verdict accept the verdict and don't challenge it, then that's the end of the matter. Suarez did use a Uruguayan term of endearment at least once in his conversation with Evra and that term of endearment could have been misconstrued as racist. This is Suarez's defence and it fits the facts. As could a plethora of alternative stories. Only he and Evra know the truth, the rest of us frankly don't have a fucking clue apart from that LFC didn't challenge the verdict of the inquiry.

They probably would have, if the verdict hadn't come with the added little line that only the length of the ban, not the verdict itself, could be appealed.
As for taking it beyond the FA... from what I understand there are "safety measures" in place from the FA, which gives them the option to severely punish any clubs taking matters outside their doors.
Besides, the report showed such blatant one-sided bias, with the so-called independent panel operating more like a prosecutor, I don't think anyone saw much hope in it going anywhere. It would end up in front of another panel chosen by the FA.
It all gives North Korea the semblance of a thriving democracy in comparison.
I would suggest any open minded, intelligent individual actually have a read of that report. They might learn quite a bit about how the organisation governing this, our favourite sport, works. Or, rather, doesn't.

MichaelA · « **Reply #1821 on:** February 12, 2012, 09:05:35 PM »

Some flouncy fucking drama queens on this site. Three grown men have seen fit to issue three very specific apologies, not drop their breeks and bend over for all eternity.

We've got a cup Final in a fortnight, time to focus on the shiny stuff, and put the shitty stuff behind us.

Move on. The Club has.

LiverpoolForever · « **Reply #1822 on:** February 12, 2012, 09:06:05 PM »

Quote from: killer_heels on February 12, 2012, 09:03:52 PM

Suarez shouldn't have been made or asked to shake Evra's hand. If he didn't want to then its up to him. He chose not to so that's it. He didn't do anything wrong.

So what if he told Kenny he would shake his hand? It's a stupid ritual.

So why did Suarez and Kenny agree to the handshake? Why did Suarez mislead the club? Cant believe you cant see that was wrong hence the apology.

Are you backing Luis over Kenny on this?

rednich85 · « **Reply #1823 on:** February 12, 2012, 09:06:57 PM »

Quote from: shelovesyou on February 12, 2012, 08:58:12 PM

Well clearly he felt he did.

If you think Dalglish instigated the writing of his statement then you're off yer rocker.

Tartaruga · « **Reply #1824 on:** February 12, 2012, 09:07:15 PM »

Quote from: Camarero25 on February 12, 2012, 08:59:53 PM

That's the key mistake we made, for me. We reacted so strongly to the verdict, because it was a complete load of bollocks, but then we just bent over and took it. Therefore, it looks to neutrals like we accepted the punishment, and then went on to support Suarez anyway.

Yep, that's exactly how it looks. You can't have it both ways, you can't accept the verdict and the punishment without challenge (when there was an appeals process open to you), and at the same time take actions which try and make it seem like you haven't.

Challenge it, or accept it and move on. They were the choices. Don't challenge it and don't move on are what LFC did and this is the shit storm which results and it's no surprise that none of us who haven't followed the ins and outs to minutest detail will take the straight forward view.

Andy · « **Reply #1825 on:** February 12, 2012, 09:07:29 PM »

Quote from: killer_heels on February 12, 2012, 09:03:52 PM

Suarez shouldn't have been made or asked to shake Evra's hand. If he didn't want to then its up to him. He chose not to so that's it. He didn't do anything wrong.

So what if he told Kenny he would shake his hand? It's a stupid ritual.

I agree he shouldn't have had to shake his hand, the whole line-up thing is a sham and should be cancelled. Like it was for England captain Terry's moment of truth vs QPR.

I don't blame Suarez for not wanting to either - Evra is the reason he missed 8 games and has tarnished his reputation.

But he said he was going to shake his hand and then didn't, and that is why he had to apologise.

Number 7 · « **Reply #1826 on:** February 12, 2012, 09:07:30 PM »

John Barnes is an absolute legend after the way he stood up for us today. Honestly he's one of a few in our corner. The highlight of the day.

montysmum · « **Reply #1827 on:** February 12, 2012, 09:07:33 PM »

Quote from: Tartaruga on February 12, 2012, 08:55:33 PM

I guess from my perspective, if Suarez was innocent, if the FA inquiry was a sham (and I'm willing to accept that it may have been), then LFC should have challenged it, they could have taken it all the way to CASS if needs be.

Actually the club had no way to challenge this, well not effectively anyway.

The guidelines for cases being presented to the CASS prohibit this type of case being referred there, and we couldn't opt to go to criminal court either because no one had made a complaint to the Police.

The only avenue for appeal was to the FA's own appeal panel and I don't think anyone believed that there was a chance that after presenting a 115 page dossier it would be overturned by that panel.

It was also the case that the club could not appeal the verdict, just the sentence and punishment so Suarez would still be declared guilty even if we had appealed and there was a chance that on appeal the penalty could be increased.

killer_heels · « **Reply #1828 on:** February 12, 2012, 09:07:36 PM »

Quote from: LiverpoolForever on February 12, 2012, 09:06:05 PM

So why did Suarez and Kenny agree to the handshake? Why did Suarez mislead the club? Cant believe you cant see that was wrong hence the apology.

Are you backing Luis over Kenny on this?

They agreed. He decided not to do it. So what? It's not like he lied over something important did he? Who cares about the hand shaking ritual?

Kenny did nothing wrong and shouldn't have been forced to apologise, which in my opinion he probably was.

Discipline · « **Reply #1829 on:** February 12, 2012, 09:07:37 PM »

Why are so people so melodramatic when it comes to not shaking hands? Who the fuck cares?

Camarero25 · « **Reply #1830 on:** February 12, 2012, 09:08:54 PM »

Quote from: Hazell on February 12, 2012, 09:04:50 PM

Yeah exactly. That Tottenham fan being a case in point.

I'd add Ferguson to that list. Right from the off, I'll bet he was rubbing his hands with glee, immediately after the match he had his post match interview, where he labelled Suarez a diver and it's just continued from there consistently talking about us and racism in the papers and other media whilst saying he's been quiet on the whole issue. Yesterday he must have had a hard on when Suarez and Evra didn't shake hands. Of course, nothing's been said about his behaviour but I guess it was too much to ask after nearly 30 years of getting away with it. This was never about racism with him, it was about getting one over on Liverpool.

Absolutely. And if Suarez leaves in the summer, which I think he might well do, then Ferguson has well and truly fucked us over. He's done us all ends up throughout this whole affair, and there is not a man I hate more on the entire fucking planet than that fucking c*nt.

Jellies · « **Reply #1831 on:** February 12, 2012, 09:08:58 PM »

Quote from: LiverpoolForever on February 12, 2012, 09:06:05 PM

Are you backing Luis over Kenny on this?

I'm off to cut myself.

The Grinch · « **Reply #1832 on:** February 12, 2012, 09:09:49 PM »

Quote from: Vulmea on February 12, 2012, 08:56:01 PM

i dont like the git down the road but cantona and ferdinand served longer bans than suarez didn't they? It wasn't exactly brushed under the carpet.

now if you'd quoted schmeichel/ ian wright or his own alleged racism charge that may be different

Take the Cantona case was Cantona linked to the brutal death of Paul Nixon the Crystal Palace fan killed at the FA Cup game three months after Cantona attacked a Palace fan in the way Suarez was linked to the two cases of alleged racial abuse at Anfield.

stjohns · « **Reply #1833 on:** February 12, 2012, 09:09:55 PM »

Quote from: redforlife on February 12, 2012, 02:15:38 PM

Nothing to apologise in my opinion Luis lad

Sorry, but you have got to be joking.
He fucked up.
Should have shaken hands, if not on his own behalf (understandably) but on that of the club,
which in my mind is far more important.
Then rip the fuckers a new one in the match.

montysmum · « **Reply #1834 on:** February 12, 2012, 09:10:07 PM »

Quote from: killer_heels on February 12, 2012, 09:03:52 PM

Suarez shouldn't have been made or asked to shake Evra's hand. If he didn't want to then its up to him. He chose not to so that's it. He didn't do anything wrong.

So what if he told Kenny he would shake his hand? It's a stupid ritual.

So it was ok to hang Kenny out to dry like that was it? Really?

Since when has a single player, who will no doubt move on to another club at some time, take precedence over Kenny Dalglish?

Discipline · « **Reply #1835 on:** February 12, 2012, 09:10:30 PM »

And wtf is with "Suarez gone in the summer" (/facepalm)

Koplass · « **Reply #1836 on:** February 12, 2012, 09:10:48 PM »

Quote from: Tartaruga on February 12, 2012, 08:55:33 PM

I guess from my perspective, if Suarez was innocent, if the FA inquiry was a sham (and I'm willing to accept that it may have been), then LFC should have challenged it, they could have taken it all the way to CASS if needs be. But as with anything, once you plead guilty or after the verdict accept the verdict and don't challenge it, then that's the end of the matter. Suarez did use a Uruguayan term of endearment at least once in his conversation with Evra and that term of endearment could have been misconstrued as racist. This is Suarez's defence and it fits the facts. As could a plethora of alternative stories. Only he and Evra know the truth, the rest of us frankly don't have a fucking clue apart from that LFC didn't challenge the verdict of the inquiry.

Bang on there! And all those people saying we were right not to appeal have been spectcularly proved wrong. Yes we wouldn't have won, yes in all likelihood the ban would have been increased, but at least neutrals wouldn't be going around saying "Well if you thought he was innocent, why didn't you appeal?"

We talk about PR, well we've failed at every turn. Our story has even more contradictions in it than Evra's and we've been made to look like idiots.

Darth Red · « **Reply #1837 on:** February 12, 2012, 09:11:12 PM »

There is no doubting from day one there has been a lot of this whole sorry saga that stinks - the media, the fa, fergie and Evra. However the club could have also handled the situation better.

Finally now were trying to extinguish the flames. So much damage has been done and we're partly to blame for it. It was a battle we could never win - rightly or wrongly - with so many factors against us. We need to learn lessons from this and be clever in future. The apologies were the right thing to do.

We backed Suarez because he is our man and they backed Evra because he's their man. At the end of the day - only those two men know what was said. Chances are both crossed the line to some degree but much to our annoyance only our man was punished. And we all feel there was an agenda there.

However its now time to move on. Holding on and dragging this out is not healthy for our club. We need to just focus on the football. That's the most important thing right now and always - the football.

BoRed · « **Reply #1838 on:** February 12, 2012, 09:11:22 PM »

Quote from: LiverpoolForever on February 12, 2012, 09:06:05 PM

So why did Suarez and Kenny agree to the handshake? Why did Suarez mislead the club? Cant believe you cant see that was wrong hence the apology.

Are you backing Luis over Kenny on this?

Could it be that Suarez, during that conversation, genuinely believed he could shake Evra's hand, but then, seeing the lying bastard right in front of him, felt far to revolted to actually go through with it? Luis is an impulsive sort, it's more likely to be a spur of the moment thing than an elaborate plan to mislead the manager.

killer_heels · « **Reply #1839 on:** February 12, 2012, 09:12:46 PM »

Quote from: montysmum on February 12, 2012, 09:10:07 PM

So it was ok to hang Kenny out to dry like that was it? Really?

Since when has a single player, who will no doubt move on to another club at some time, take precedence over Kenny Dalglish?

Thats what you got from what I was saying?

Suarez had nothing to apologise for because he chose not to do something which is of so little meaning.

Kenny did nothing wrong in that interview because most of his actions in that interview were not because he still wasn't aware of the non handshake. He reacted to stupid questions and did nothing wrong.

Both have been forced into these apologies.