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Re: Man United 2-1 Liverpool: Full time
« Reply #2320 on: February 11, 2012, 11:10:34 PM »
No individual is bigger than Liverpool Football Club. Not kenny and not luis.

If Luis put the club first then he should have shook Evra's hand. Because he must have known that to refuse to shake it would send the wrong message and as has happened would lead to huge negative publicity for the club. He has embarrassed the club and Kenny.

Life is unfair sometimes - its not fair on Luis but sometimes you have to do things for the good of the club.

This will be Luis last season at the club. I reckon he will be sold - hes a great player but is damaged goods.

What the fuck ... So what's YNWA and the Justice campaign all about then ... some things are more important than football ... Damaged goods ... Really supportive that!
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Re: Man United 2-1 Liverpool: Full time
« Reply #2321 on: February 11, 2012, 11:11:26 PM »
What the fuck ... So what's YNWA and the Justice campaign all about then ... some things are more important than football ... Damaged goods ... Really supportive that!

just ignore the prick...
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Re: Man United 2-1 Liverpool: Full time
« Reply #2322 on: February 11, 2012, 11:11:41 PM »
Kenny's stance was that he expected Suarez to shake his hand. He released a statement saying that a couple of days ago.

well then I doubt if Suarez deliberately tried to avoid shaking hands then,
especially after the way Kenny has backed him recently,
I'm sure Suarez wouldn't throw that in Kenny's face by doing something he was asked not to do.
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Re: Man United 2-1 Liverpool: Full time
« Reply #2323 on: February 11, 2012, 11:11:43 PM »
Not buying this. If this was the case, then the club should have not accepted the ban and appealed it to the death.

There was no effective right of appeal, because the verdict couldn't be appealed, only the sentence. Why do you think the club is so aggrieved by this travesty of a Kangaroo court?

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Re: Man United 2-1 Liverpool: Full time
« Reply #2324 on: February 11, 2012, 11:11:47 PM »
All this would have been avoided if the Fa pulled it like they did for John Terry.

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Re: Man United 2-1 Liverpool: Full time
« Reply #2325 on: February 11, 2012, 11:12:07 PM »
Suarez let Kenny down big time if he led him to beleive that he would shake Evra's hand.

Maybe he changed his mind when he saw the c*nt.

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Re: Man United 2-1 Liverpool: Full time
« Reply #2326 on: February 11, 2012, 11:12:43 PM »
See Claire, I know where you're coming from, but it was just a handshake. It wasn't signing an admission of guilt. And Kenny did say in a statement that he expected them to shake hands.

I understand what you mean. But I still think he could have swallowed his pride just this once.

Nothing to to with admission of guilt - Luis believes he has been harshly treeted and that evra is a T**t. Would anyone of us on this forum shake hands with somebody who we believe has stitched us and LFC up ??

I know i wouldnt shake his hand in LUIS's position

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Re: Man United 2-1 Liverpool: Full time
« Reply #2327 on: February 11, 2012, 11:12:47 PM »
well then I doubt if Suarez deliberately tried to avoid shaking hands then,
especially after the way Kenny has backed him recently,
I'm sure Suarez wouldn't throw that in Kenny's face by doing something he was asked not to do.

I hope not too mate. Maybe Suarez just had a rush of blood to the head, or a belief that Evra was blanking him? Those pictures seem to show him lowering his hand when Suarez passes by?

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Re: Man United 2-1 Liverpool: Full time
« Reply #2328 on: February 11, 2012, 11:12:55 PM »
Maybe he changed his mind when he saw the c*nt.

I think Suarez should get brownie points for not knocking the lying fucker out.
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Re: Man United 2-1 Liverpool: Full time
« Reply #2329 on: February 11, 2012, 11:13:10 PM »
All this would have been avoided if the Fa pulled it like they did for John Terry.

With the Terry one, everyone knew Ferdinand wasn't going to shake his hand, and possibly the whole QPR team too.  By all accounts, everyone was under the impression the handshake was going to take place today.
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Re: Man United 2-1 Liverpool: Full time
« Reply #2330 on: February 11, 2012, 11:13:38 PM »
Holt on Twitter says MOTD showed footage which "proved" Evra offered his hand; was this the same stuff that's been doing the rounds earlier, from the kind of sideways angle?

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Re: Man United 2-1 Liverpool: Full time
« Reply #2331 on: February 11, 2012, 11:13:42 PM »
I popped in here to say some things, but you know what mate, that that I have bolded what you said is spot on. So what if he didnt shake his hand. If the club from top to bottom have heard what Suarez said and backed him, on a very severe issue, then him not shaking Evra's hand is fie by me, and the media, sky, papers, fergusen and now alan hansen can all go and fuck themselves.

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Re: Man United 2-1 Liverpool: Full time
« Reply #2332 on: February 11, 2012, 11:13:44 PM »
See Claire, I know where you're coming from, but it was just a handshake. It wasn't signing an admission of guilt. And Kenny did say in a statement that he expected them to shake hands.

I understand what you mean. But I still think he could have swallowed his pride just this once.


We will have to agree to disagree. 

Plus, I am not convinced it was a premeditated decision on Suarez's part.  I think he was played a bit by Evra.  If he was prepared to swallow his pride, the apparent hesitation from Evra may well  have been enough for him to pull away and avoid further humiliation - but we may never know what happened really. 

Its safe to say whatever Suarez says he and the club will be painted as pathetic and racist for trying to defend/explain his actions and the situation.

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Re: Man United 2-1 Liverpool: Full time
« Reply #2333 on: February 11, 2012, 11:13:54 PM »
It seems Suarez agreed with Dalglish he was going to shake Evra's hand - you would certainly assume so from Kenny's comments earlier in the week.

I think from the footage it's pretty obvious Suarez had no intention of shaking Evra's hand at the start. The still pictures are incredibly misleading. Suarez appears to have undermined Kenny and if that is the case then he needs to take a lot of blame for what happened before, during and after the match today. He really didn't need to heap any more pressure on Dalglish.

Interestingly, Suarez tweeted that everything isn't as it seems... wonder what he meant by that? A miscommunication between he and Kenny regarding the handshake, or something nobody really knows about? He needs to come out and explain exactly what happened and why. At least then the agenda from the media can't be completely one-sided towards United (as it will be at the moment).

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Re: Man United 2-1 Liverpool: Full time
« Reply #2334 on: February 11, 2012, 11:13:55 PM »
Suarez let Kenny down.
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Re: Man United 2-1 Liverpool: Full time
« Reply #2335 on: February 11, 2012, 11:14:11 PM »
Nothing to to with admission of guilt - Luis believes he has been harshly treeted and that evra is a T**t. Would anyone of us on this forum shake hands with somebody who we believe has stitched us and LFC up ??

I know i wouldnt shake his hand in LUIS's position

I would, if it kept the hyenas away from the door of my club and manager that I love. Particularly as there was an expectation within the club that he should conduct the handshake, judging by the statement Kenny released the other day.

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Re: Man United 2-1 Liverpool: Full time
« Reply #2336 on: February 11, 2012, 11:14:16 PM »
All this would have been avoided if the Fa pulled it like they did for John Terry.


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Re: Man United 2-1 Liverpool: Full time
« Reply #2337 on: February 11, 2012, 11:14:49 PM »
Suarez let Kenny down big time if he led him to beleive that he would shake Evra's hand.

HAVE A LOOK AGAIN AT THE CLIPS OF THE INCIDENT.......EVRA THE SLY FUCKING TWAT PULLED HIS HAND AWAY!
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Re: Man United 2-1 Liverpool: Full time
« Reply #2338 on: February 11, 2012, 11:15:00 PM »
Speaking of fergies kind suggestion that we should sell Luis, i hope we retort that evra should have the captains band stripped for that deliberate intentional provocation of Luis at the end of the game. Hardly the behaviour of a captain. Hope the fa ban him a few too. Really out of order. Loved it how Skrtel and others came in to give Luis an armoured guard as he approached the tunnel.

I think that Luis intended to shake his hand, but they both waited on each other to cross the great divide between their hands, and when neither moved, Luis thought fuck it and moved on. Ever had a boy/girlfriend where you are damned if you do, and damned if you don't, and you can never please them? Evra i imagine is a bit like that boy/girl, Fergie like her dad, quick to blame. Borderline personality disorder. When i saw evra's eyes all lit up after the non handshake, i thought, yeah, you got the conflict stimulation you were looking for. Evra i imagine is crippled by fear of conflict, so, just like the poster boy for this sort of abused personality, bill o'reilly, he unconsciously walks towards it to recreate the original fear. like o'reilly found murdoch, evra found fergie, abusive controlling parents both who give them legitimacy, license to fuck the heads of "the enemy". It's why Kenny and the club won't give in 'cos they know, just like this handshake, that it's all a set up. The one on the receiving end of the dynamic always ends up powerless and angry, just as we all did, powerless and angry being the projection of the very feelings that the accuser will do anything not to feel themselves. I should say, in his defense, that maybe evra's original wounding happened around racial abuse when younger, which wouldn't be uncommon in this world.

I'm not glad that Luis didn't extend the hand and collapse the tension, but I understand absolutely why he didn't.....he will have noticed, even subliminally, evra's hand drop, sucking him in, hinting that he'll withdraw. If you'd been sucked in once and got burned publicly for 8 games and a nation full of tut-tuts, you'd have moved on too. The sky/tabloid type media is full of such borderline thinking, wherever you see someone who causes conflict but it's never their fault then that's borderline. And you can never quite put your finger on it, which is why they are a therapist's nightmare, there is no way through, and you are never more than a hair away from being sued in court for malpractice. Gotcha!

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Re: Man United 2-1 Liverpool: Full time
« Reply #2339 on: February 11, 2012, 11:15:03 PM »
There was no effective right of appeal, because the verdict couldn't be appealed, only the sentence. Why do you think the club is so aggrieved by this travesty of a Kangaroo court?

Wasn't there a way that we could have taken it further than the Fa. something about a european sports court or something?

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Re: Man United 2-1 Liverpool: Full time
« Reply #2340 on: February 11, 2012, 11:15:08 PM »
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Re: Man United 2-1 Liverpool: Full time
« Reply #2341 on: February 11, 2012, 11:16:02 PM »
Suarez let Kenny down.

Congratulations for only using 4 words and yet managing to cram so much fucking horseshit into one post.

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Re: Man United 2-1 Liverpool: Full time
« Reply #2342 on: February 11, 2012, 11:16:07 PM »
We will have to agree to disagree. 

Plus, I am not convinced it was a premeditated decision on Suarez's part.  I think he was played a bit by Evra.  If he was prepared to swallow his pride, the apparent hesitation from Evra may well  have been enough for him to pull away and avoid further humiliation - but we may never know what happened really. 

I agree that might have been what happened in the heat of the moment. At the same time, he should have stood his ground so that Evra was forced to offer his hand to him, if its true that Evra was hesitant.


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Re: Man United 2-1 Liverpool: Full time
« Reply #2343 on: February 11, 2012, 11:16:35 PM »
Not buying this. If this was the case, then the club should have not accepted the ban and appealed it to the death.

you sound a bit like Demento there.

obviously people at the club weighed up the options and decided an appeal wasn't worth all the negative attention, and would not have changed the outcome.
anything but racism, maybe, but they saw how the club's rep was being tarnished, and how the media were playing it, and just wanted it done with.
I can totally understand this.
appealing would of been a disaster.
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Re: Man United 2-1 Liverpool: Full time
« Reply #2344 on: February 11, 2012, 11:16:45 PM »
well then I doubt if Suarez deliberately tried to avoid shaking hands then,
especially after the way Kenny has backed him recently,
I'm sure Suarez wouldn't throw that in Kenny's face by doing something he was asked not to do.

Are you blind ? Its obvious what Luis did (or in fact didn't do).

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Re: Man United 2-1 Liverpool: Full time
« Reply #2345 on: February 11, 2012, 11:16:48 PM »
I think Suarez should get brownie points for not knocking the lying fucker out.
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Re: Man United 2-1 Liverpool: Full time
« Reply #2346 on: February 11, 2012, 11:16:55 PM »
Load of shite.

We release a statement saying he will and he doesn't.
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Re: Man United 2-1 Liverpool: Full time
« Reply #2347 on: February 11, 2012, 11:16:56 PM »
I would, if it kept the hyenas away from the door of my club and manager that I love. Particularly as there was an expectation within the club that he should conduct the handshake, judging by the statement Kenny released the other day.

Pretty much my thoughts. Sometimes rising above the hatred, and holding your head up high, makes you/us stronger.

Now, the negativity can't be ignored, Dalglish seems to be affected, and ultimately that could have been avoided today.

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Re: Man United 2-1 Liverpool: Full time
« Reply #2348 on: February 11, 2012, 11:17:00 PM »
It seems Suarez agreed with Dalglish he was going to shake Evra's hand - you would certainly assume so from Kenny's comments earlier in the week.

I think from the footage it's pretty obvious Suarez had no intention of shaking Evra's hand at the start. The still pictures are incredibly misleading. Suarez appears to have undermined Kenny and if that is the case then he needs to take a lot of blame for what happened before, during and after the match today. He really didn't need to heap any more pressure on Dalglish.

Interestingly, Suarez tweeted that everything isn't as it seems... wonder what he meant by that? A miscommunication between he and Kenny regarding the handshake, or something nobody really knows about? He needs to come out and explain exactly what happened and why. At least then the agenda from the media can't be completely one-sided towards United (as it will be at the moment).

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Re: Man United 2-1 Liverpool: Full time
« Reply #2349 on: February 11, 2012, 11:17:16 PM »
I agree that might have been what happened in the heat of the moment. At the same time, he should have stood his ground so that Evra was forced to offer his hand to him, if its true that Evra was hesitant.



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Re: Man United 2-1 Liverpool: Full time
« Reply #2350 on: February 11, 2012, 11:17:21 PM »
And during the fuss about the handshake it was hoped a game of football might break out!
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Re: Man United 2-1 Liverpool: Full time
« Reply #2351 on: February 11, 2012, 11:17:39 PM »
HAVE A LOOK AGAIN AT THE CLIPS OF THE INCIDENT.......EVRA THE SLY FUCKING TWAT PULLED HIS HAND AWAY!
Another very strongly worded statement needs to be made if Suarez agrees that thismis the case.
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Re: Man United 2-1 Liverpool: Full time
« Reply #2352 on: February 11, 2012, 11:17:43 PM »
All this would have been avoided if the Fa pulled it like they did for John Terry.

Excately - one rule for the england captain and one rule for the LUIS

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Re: Man United 2-1 Liverpool: Full time
« Reply #2353 on: February 11, 2012, 11:18:19 PM »
Wasn't there a way that we could have taken it further than the Fa. something about a european sports court or something?

No. Firstly there was doubt whether they would even have remit over it, secondly it would have taken years and cost millions.

The whole process was a stitch up. The coerced denial of a real right to appeal was indicative of this. The club is absolutely correct to feel aggrieved and angry about this.

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Re: Man United 2-1 Liverpool: Full time
« Reply #2354 on: February 11, 2012, 11:18:20 PM »
We need to start buying off some journalists like the mancs do, the media darlings of football. Ferdinand not shaking Suarez's hand...non story. Evra trying to cause a fight in the tunnel and forcing his way into the dressing room...non story. Suarez not shaking evra's hand...he's just killed football.

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Re: Man United 2-1 Liverpool: Full time
« Reply #2355 on: February 11, 2012, 11:18:27 PM »
I think Suarez should get brownie points for not knocking the lying fucker out.

Particularly at the end. Reina, Skrtel, Hendo and Agger should be commended for trying to nullify the situation. True leadership.
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Re: Man United 2-1 Liverpool: Full time
« Reply #2356 on: February 11, 2012, 11:18:42 PM »
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Re: Man United 2-1 Liverpool: Full time
« Reply #2357 on: February 11, 2012, 11:19:03 PM »
Exactly he put himself before the club knowing that it would be all that anyone will be talking about after the match. Sometimes you have to swallow pride for a greater good.
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Re: Man United 2-1 Liverpool: Full time
« Reply #2358 on: February 11, 2012, 11:19:06 PM »
When you walk through a storm..... support your own 100%  Mr Suarez is not a racist.  I KNOW were right I KNOW they're wrong.  Stick by the man and stop fuckin pandering to the media you fuckin gutless wankers, jeesus, what does it take for some people to wake up to themselves?!

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Re: Man United 2-1 Liverpool: Full time
« Reply #2359 on: February 11, 2012, 11:19:14 PM »
:lmao Mancs just can't help themselves can they?

He's not a Manc he's a Blackburn fan and a fan of Kenny.