Topic: Capello Resigns

[Azi]

that's Darren Bents international career over....

[Coolie High]

Out of interest, who would you put above him at Liverpool? 

I assume Alonso.

[firing squad]

For all his promises to learn English, Capello failed to master enough of the language to express himself in anything but the simplest terms, or to participate in debates without leaving scope for misinterpretation. Other foreign managers working in England – Anglophiles like Gerard Houllier and fluent linguists like Arsène Wenger and José Mourinho – avoided such problems....

No Rafa again.  English media, gotta love it.

[ghost1359]

Does it matter? Kyle 'AND HE HAS PACE' Walker is average as fuck.

What is it about football fans & their inability to praise any player that doesn't play for their club? Walker is quality, great delivery, like a rocket on legs, smart, everything that Lennon should be & isn't at full back & he's what? 22? Average my arse

[Camarero25]

Carrick has been a nothing midfielder to the media for years now, there was a period he was overrated as the best holding midfielder in the world ( Ian dowie I'm looking at you). But apart from that not many understand what he could bring to the team. He's a good possesion based player who has an inferioty complex when he plays against better players but a player england have lacked in midfield to just keep the ball moving at a nice pace. They would rather use clogger like barry there though due to media opinion.

It's why Henderson gets so much stick from Sky and the fans who lap that shit up.

[LFC_4_life]

Out of interest, who would you put above him at Liverpool? 

Alonso IMO. Thats just in Liverpool. Not a knock on Gerrard who is an awesome player

[Juan Loco]

What is it about football fans & their inability to praise any player that doesn't play for their club? Walker is quality, great delivery, like a rocket on legs, smart, everything that Lennon should be & isn't at full back & he's what? 22? Average my arse

I was very satisfied with his delivery on monday night. I think he passed to Glen Johnson more than anyone in a Liverpool shirt.

[Coolie High]

I was very satisfied with his delivery on monday night. I think he passed to Glen Johnson more than anyone in a Liverpool shirt.

And he also did very well against Bellamy and Downing, his a quality player, i made the point before that he was far better defensively than he was going forward, but of course the people who don't watch him would knock him for his athleticism as if its a bad quality to have in that position.

[tommyLFC]

Neil Warnock.

[Juan Loco]

And he also did very well against Bellamy and Downing, his a quality player, i made the point before that he was far better defensively than he was going forward, but of course the people who don't watch him would knock him for his athleticism as if its a bad quality to have in that position.

A bit of pace at fullback is great, but it's much of a muchness.

I don't think he's a better player than Martin Kelly myself, who has regularly thwarted the best teams. He gets far more opportunity to show how good he is.

None of Walker, Kelly or Richards are close to Johnson for me. He's a far better 'footballer' than the lot of them.

[rob1408]

Alonso IMO. Thats just in Liverpool. Not a knock on Gerrard who is an awesome player

How is Alonso a more technically complete player than Gerrard ?  The same Gerrard than can play in nearly every position to a high standard. 

[El_Pistolero]

What is it about football fans & their inability to praise any player that doesn't play for their club? Walker is quality, great delivery, like a rocket on legs, smart, everything that Lennon should be & isn't at full back & he's what? 22? Average my arse

You may well have an average arse, but you don't come more average than Kyle Walker.

Great delivery? All he did was twat the ball into Johnson. Smart? All he does is run in a straight line. At least Lennon has the ability to shift his body to the right a few thousand times a game.

I think it was Juan who said he was the third-best RB on the pitch on Monday, he ain't half right. Johnson - playing on the 'wrong' side - schooled him in attacking, defending and not being average.

[Rohit]

It's why Henderson gets so much stick from Sky and the fans who lap that shit up.

Totally agree, heard paul walsh on soccer saturday saying the same thing. He said what henderson do, I just don't get it. What he does is move the ball quickly and move into space to recieve something not enough english players do as they are ingrained with this belief of get the ball forward as fast as possible. Henderson looked shite in the under 21s under pearces hit it long tactics, which rendered him useless.

[Rohit]

A bit of pace at fullback is great, but it's much of a muchness.

I don't think he's a better player than Martin Kelly myself, who has regularly thwarted the best teams. He gets far more opportunity to show how good he is.

None of Walker, Kelly or Richards are close to Johnson for me. He's a far better 'footballer' than the lot of them.

How many of those would have the calmness of mind to play the pass for bellamy's goal against city, none would be the question apart from glen for me.

[Coolie High]

A bit of pace at fullback is great, but it's much of a muchness.

I don't think he's a better player than Martin Kelly myself, who has regularly thwarted the best teams. He gets far more opportunity to show how good he is.

None of Walker, Kelly or Richards are close to Johnson for me. He's a far better 'footballer' than the lot of them.

 I do agree with you on the point that he is the better footballer than all of them, but then again there are many left backs in the league who are better footballers than Enrique and i still think he is the best left back in the league, despite Richards limited technical ability i would say that he is arguably the most effective when going forward.

[LFC_4_life]

How is Alonso a more technically complete player than Gerrard ?  The same Gerrard than can play in nearly every position to a high standard. 

At the highest level, Gerrard can't be trusted in the Center of the field. Alsono had the tecnique and ability required to control and dictate the tempo of a game in a way that Gerrard unfortunately cannot. He also has a wider range of passing IMO. Alonso made us tick in our prime years under Rafa while Torres and Gerrard stole all the headlines.

Englan lack a general who can dictate and control the game in the middle of the pitch. As great as Gerrard is, he just can't do that. This is what England have been missing.

[bigbear]

THANK YOU! I can't believe anyone supporting Capello in this matter plan stupid, and that is why I think he just wanted to leave

He'll already have another job sorted out.

[Coolie High]

Totally agree, heard paul walsh on soccer saturday saying the same thing. He said what henderson do, I just don't get it. What he does is move the ball quickly and move into space to recieve something not enough english players do as they are ingrained with this belief of get the ball forward as fast as possible. Henderson looked shite in the under 21s under pearces hit it long tactics, which rendered him useless.

Like who for example? I don't think players like Lampard Barry Parker Carrick Huddlestone etc are ingrained with this belief at all.

[Matt8Pie]

Just seen on this Facebook. I chuckled.

[tommyLFC]

If Harry is the next manager I would be surprised to see him try and get Paul Scholes out of international retirement. And cue another media jizz fest.

[1021]

Try a different sport.

To be fair, he was alonside Alonso, who I would argue is more technically complete than Gerrard, SG is more of a game changer with a thunderous shot and good passing range, not to be scoffed at, but in terms of pure footballing technique Xabi had that.
And in the world, Xavi has been doing what he does for the best part of a decade, Iniesta has been special, Zidane was around until 06 and still Zinedine Zidane, Ronaldinho was magestic then, Messi came along soon after, Cristiano Ronaldo has wonderful technique.

[JavierMascherano20]

At the highest level, Gerrard can't be trusted in the Center of the field. Alsono had the tecnique and ability required to control and dictate the tempo of a game in a way that Gerrard unfortunately cannot. He also has a wider range of passing IMO. Alonso made us tick in our prime years under Rafa while Torres and Gerrard stole all the headlines.

Englan lack a general who can dictate and control the game in the middle of the pitch. As great as Gerrard is, he just can't do that. This is what England have been missing.

I agree with this. Gerrard is the sort of player who should have more freedom, less restrictions and he should definitely play in an advanced role. Gerrard is lethal in the final third of the pitch, whether that is scoring or assisting goals. He is a clever player but he usually has an incredible amount of urgency about his game, which is why he does better in an advanced role.

[LFC_4_life]

It's why Henderson gets so much stick from Sky and the fans who lap that shit up.

I can't stand this. Players like Henderson, Carrick, Lucas etc always get stick because they aren't flashy and don't grab headlines, but they play simple football making the right pass more often then not and keeping possesion. England have been missing a player of this nature for years and until they have one, they will never win anything at the elite level.

[Spanish Fan]

[Mr Dilkington]

Gerrard>Alonso.

Alonso is nicer to watch and he's Spanish. That's it.

[rafathegaffa83]

that's Darren Bents international career over....

Ha ha, thought the same this morning. Lampard guaranteed to make it, or go in some capacity. Official pie eater perhaps.

[LFC_4_life]

I agree with this. Gerrard is the sort of player who should have more freedom, less restrictions and he should definitely play in an advanced role. Gerrard is lethal in the final third of the pitch, whether that is scoring or assisting goals. He is a clever player but he usually has an incredible amount of urgency about his game, which is why he does better in an advanced role.

Exacly. In this role, is there anyone better than gerrard. But at international level, you need to keep possesion.

[Juan Loco]

I do agree with you on the point that he is the better footballer than all of them, but then again there are many left backs in the league who are better footballers than Enrique and i still think he is the best left back in the league, despite Richards limited technical ability i would say that he is arguably the most effective when going forward.

I think if you're a top team playing at home against a bottom 8 team it's much of a muchness between Johnson and Richards. You're more likely to get a bit of subtlety or craft from Johnson, but at the same time Richards at times has looked like Jonah Lomu. He can bully the entire leftside of a poor team to stay on the edge of their own box.

Against the top teams though Johnson stands out like a fucking beacon of footballing ability. I genuinely, with as little bias as I can, say he's the best fullback in the country. Cole and Evra are on the way down. Johnson's composure, comparitive to other English fullbacks - or just fullbacks in England - is staggering. No other fullback scores that goal against Chelsea, not in the dying embers of the match. On the flipside of the coin - every other fullback swings at that opportunity against City, or gets it caught under their feet.

At the highest level, Gerrard can't be trusted in the Center of the field. Alsono had the tecnique and ability required to control and dictate the tempo of a game in a way that Gerrard unfortunately cannot. He also has a wider range of passing IMO. Alonso made us tick in our prime years under Rafa while Torres and Gerrard stole all the headlines.

Englan lack a general who can dictate and control the game in the middle of the pitch. As great as Gerrard is, he just can't do that. This is what England have been missing.

You are replacing technique with intelligence.

Steven Gerrard is a technically superior footballer to Xabi Alonso, and just about everyone else to play the game over the last 10 years. I don't think there's a single footballer planet who scores as high across the board on all 'technical' aspects of the game. Xabi Alonso isn't as technically good as Steven Gerrard. He is, however, a more intelligent footballer. Personal opinion like.

Oh, and for what it's worth, Xabi Alonso is incredibly technically sound and Steven Gerrard has far, far more "game-intelligence" than some people would ever care to admit. That's why Rafa Benitez trusted him to play centre midfield in a European Cup semi-final, and rightback in a final.

[-Q-]

Whoever takes over likely won't have the same level of expectation going into the Euros as would have been the case.  Should take the opportunity to get rid of the old failures and take a young squad there, get some experience.

[Rouge]

The same has been said about Dalglish suporrting Suarez by virtually all neutral fans up and down the country.

You are not comparing Dalglish supporting Suarez with Capello supporting Terry...

Heres a clue one is not a lowlife thug, who slept with his best mate and football teammates wife, talked behind (the same) managers back to the press, and without a doubt knows what is not acceptable to say in english on a football pitch since he is (for some fucked up reason) the former captain of the England football side!

No I think you and Capello are wrong

[LFC_4_life]

Gerrard>Alonso.

Alonso is nicer to watch and he's Spanish. That's it.

I would say that Gerrard is better to watch with the clever through balls, and hollywood passes and headline grabing goals. But Gerrard cannot control and dictate a game at the top level. This is not a knock on him. Just the truth. Thats why Rafa and Capello don't like to play him in the Center. Play Gerrard off the striker and he makes things happen. In his prime, he was the best at that. But thats not what England are missing. They have no one who can keep possesion and dictate and control play.

Maybe someone like Henderson or Wilshire can be that in the future.

[1021]

Gerrard>Alonso.

Alonso is nicer to watch and he's Spanish. That's it.

Gerrard and Alonso are both phenomenal footballers.
Gerrard is a game changer, a goal scorer, all action.
Alonso is an artist, his vision is incredible, is more serene.

You cannot compare the two and it is not as simple as 'Gerrard > Alonso' or 'Alonso > Gerrard'.
They're different types of players, they play different positions, they serve different purposes.
You wouldn't compare a centre back with a midfielder, so why you'd compare a deep lying midfielder with an attacking midfielder is beyond me.
This wasn't about talent or who was better, it was about pure technique, and many would argue and with good reason that Xabi is technically better, Gerrard's talent is harder to define and is more about end product.

Also, Xabi is a World and European Champion with Spain.

[Rouge]

Whoever takes over likely won't have the same level of expectation going into the Euros as would have been the case.  Should take the opportunity to get rid of the old failures and take a young squad there, get some experience.

Agreed , and in essence this is what Capello should of been doing, not just keepong the same old style and not changing a thing

[Red_Rich]

This is wonderful.

English (London) media will wank themselves silly over Capello's exit and at the English manager who takes them into the Euros.  Then the same set of knobheads will squash the very same English manager after we're KO'd yet again early doors.  Love it.

[-Q-]

This is wonderful.

English (London) media will wank themselves silly over Capello's exit and at the English manager who takes them into the Euros.  Then the same set of knobheads will squash the very same English manager after we're KO'd yet again early doors.  Love it.

Unless something monumentally stupid is done by the manager or a player, Capello will get the blame.

[LFC_4_life]

You are not comparing Dalglish supporting Suarez with Capello supporting Terry...

Heres a clue one is not a lowlife thug, who slept with his best mate and football teammates wife, talked behind (the same) managers back to the press, and without a doubt knows what is not acceptable to say in english on a football pitch since he is (for some fucked up reason) the former captain of the England football side!

No I think you and Capello are wrong

Terry is a twat, but he is innocent until proven guilty. And it's not as if Suarez hasn't behaved questionably in the past. Capello is supporting his player who denies the claims he has been charged with. Until he is found guilty or not guilty, Capello is supporting him, just like Suarez has been supported by Dalglish.

Capello has done the right thing IMO.

[Juan Loco]

Gerrard>Alonso.

Alonso is nicer to watch and he's Spanish. That's it.

Goes back to the "technique is all-encompassing" arguement I keep on making. No doubt in my mind that Xabi Alonso could never have scored/set up that header Gerrard did away to West Ham in Rafa's last season. Or his goal against Olympiakos (?) very, very early on his career. The guy has a monster of a leap on, we just rarely get to see it. To be honest, as well as Xabi Alonso strikes a ball, I don't think I've seen him do anything Gerrard couldn't from a technical stand point (and on the flip-side I can't imagine Alonso having the combination of athleticism and technique required to score the goal Gerrard did against Arsenal in the 6-3 league cup loss). Gerrard, technically, could play all the passes Xabi Alonso can. Where Alonso is superior is that he is far more likely to pick the right times to play those passes. That's intelligence, awareness and pass-selection though, not technique.

[ghost1359]

I like that both of you have used one game to point out that Walker's delivery is bad  for that reason, I'm out

[DonkeyWan]

Gerrard and Alonso are both phenomenal footballers.
Gerrard is a game changer, a goal scorer, all action.
Alonso is an artist, his vision is incredible, is more serene.

You cannot compare the two and it is not as simple as 'Gerrard > Alonso' or 'Alonso > Gerrard'.
They're different types of players, they play different positions, they serve different purposes.
You wouldn't compare a centre back with a midfielder, so why you'd compare a deep lying midfielder with an attacking midfielder is beyond me.
This wasn't about talent or who was better, it was about pure technique, and many would argue and with good reason that Xabi is technically better, Gerrard's talent is harder to define and is more about end product.

Also, Xabi is a World and European Champion with Spain.

Gerrard was and is more of an impact player, an explosive presence that could change a game in an instant but could also go missing for stretches at a time. In contrast Alonso was a metronome, controlling the game and the players around him. He was a very rare breed, its why he was so important for Liverpool, Spain and now Madrid. He is up there with the likes of Xavi etc. The thing is players like Gerrard aren't exactly ten a penny either. Alonso will always be my favourite player but comparing the two is like comparing apples and orange.

[-Q-]

Terry is a twat, but he is innocent until proven guilty. And it's not as if Suarez hasn't behaved questionably in the past. Capello is supporting his player who denies the claims he has been charged with. Until he is found guilty or not guilty, Capello is supporting him, just like Suarez has been supported by Dalglish.

Capello has done the right thing IMO.

Terry was not being punished, the fact that the court date was put back beyond July (at Chelsea's behest) meant that he would be taking the team to the Euros.  With a charge of racially aggravated public order offence hanging over him, that would have caused problems in the dressing room and would certainly have attracted furious press speculation.  Therefore, it was better to strip him of the captaincy, in order to avoid that.  However, the FA totally messed it up by not consulting with Capello and by not making it perfectly clear that Terry was not being punished and that he would be able to return as captain if he was not found guilty.  Difficult situation, not many good options really.  The FA should have made sure it was finished before the Euros.