Topic: Patrick Barclay Heysel Slur - Discussion

[markymark]

Stop phaffing and get to the point

[-Nay-]

Twisted?  Fuck off..

[-Nay-]

''I wish i'd never done it''

You're still a twat.

[Hazell]

Talking about it - got annoyed that someone said could there be 'anything worse than working for Murdoch?' and 'in trying to instil a sense of proportion' he said having it on your conscience that you were involved in Heysel.

Thinks he was naive and wish he'd never done it. He says he was extremely stupid and wished he'd never done it.

[pheel]

didnt apologise though

[Dave_Rob7]

He never once apologized for it, what a twat.

[R.A.La]

That's ok then. He'd say it again, but not in public.

No apology.

[Anywhichwayucan]

What is this sense of proportion that he is waffling on about?

[LondonRedMan]

Disgraceful and Insensitive!

[MushyP15]

didnt apologise though

Nope.

Haven't heard someone squirm like that since the Murdochs were in the stand.

[Fat Scouser]

I'm not on Twatter, but can someone remind this money grubbing moron... The National Front were at Heysel recruiting. I know. I was there. I seen them getting fucked right off. Indeed, going back to Oswald Mossley's black shirts, racists have always been fucked off out of Liverpool. Mr Mossley got a brick in his face when he tried recruiting in Liverpool and him and his black shirts were lucky to get back to London in one piece. Unlike in London, Lancashire (Now Greater Manchester) this malarakey has never been tolerated.

I'm sure Mr Barclay is still upset that his friend Roy Hodgson was also ran out of town. But we are a bit wary of people like Roy arriving from London and a bit wary of outsiders in general. But is that really so surprising when the rest of the country has treated us with the the sort of bias and prejudice that would see them locked up if they tried it with people of a different colour. I don't really mind being called a murderer, a thief, a worky shy doleite, or a granny robbing, victim minded whinger. It just makes me feel closer to me own and reminds me of why I don't like people like Mr. Barclay. But if anyone else feels put out by this crap, ask him about the national front's involvment with Heysel and how they were fucked off.

[Armand9]

basically then barclay rambled for ages - his twitter remark was 'appalling naiveity' according to him, 'stupid to say it in public' 'wish he hadn't done it now'

so fuckall about it was a crass (at best) vile thing to say, just that he wish he hadn't done it publicly cos he got caught out on it

[Andy @ Allerton]

I really don't think you can accuse Brian Reade of that. He's one of the most honest journalists about.

How so? Look at what he said. Look at what he didn't say.

[Liverbird 2010]

basically then barclay rambled for ages - his twitter remark was 'appalling naiveity' according to him, 'stupid to say it in public' 'wish he hadn't done it now'

so fuckall about it was a crass (at best) vile thing to say, just that he wish he hadn't done it publicly cos he got caught out on it

Said he would say it again the fuckin bastard. Id love him to say it in the boozer to liverpool fans.

[Fat Scouser]

basically then barclay rambled for ages - his twitter remark was 'appalling naiveity' according to him, 'stupid to say it in public' 'wish he hadn't done it now'

so fuckall about it was a crass (at best) vile thing to say, just that he wish he hadn't done it publicly cos he got caught out on it

Exactly... all he's said, was he's sorry he was caught. Fuck him off out of Anfield and don't allow him back.

[Fat Scouser]

Said he would say it again the fuckin bastard. Id love him to say it in the boozer to liverpool fans.

If he bought me a few pints, he could say me Ma done it.

[Armand9]

I've never really been for banning journos (altho 90% of them are total shits) cos fergie has done it for years and has always looked childish and frightened of being asked telling/uncomfortable questions and i probably stand by that even after the suarez bullshit from the press (holt and another c*nt i can't remember may be exceptions to that) but any fucker saying shit like barclay did has burnt his bridges big time and shouldn't be allowed anywhere near the club

[Liverbird 2010]

If he bought me a few pints, he could say me Ma done it.

Your right mate he should be banned from Anfield along with that Emily fuckin Bishops son, Barclays problem with Kenny & LFC is because that arl tawny owl bastard got the boot, thats that !!!

[gregor]

How so? Look at what he said. Look at what he didn't say.

Becuase I think he writes what he honestly believes. I remember an article from him at the time saying that he thought the club made a bad move with the t-shirts. What else did he/didn't he say? It's not about being "with us or against us", he wrote what he thought was right.

Patrick Barclay is an absolute twat of the highest order who clearly has an agenda against the club. Brian Reade is a good journalist and a very decent man.

[drpepe]

His stupid comment has over shadowed the what he said about Suarez - which coming from him is the literary equivalent of a hand shandy for the whole first team.

And what did he mean by having the word racist put in his mouth and it not being fun?

I read that as meaning that people are accusing him of calling Suarez a racist when that is not exactly what he said.

If he bought me a few pints, he could say me Ma done it.

sorry , but that made me laugh

[1892RedMatt]

I used to respect his journalism and over the past year or two it seems to have gone off a cliff. Some of the shit he comes out with is narrow minded and sensationalist and I can't stand that abhorrent twat now to be honest.

But has anyone actually thought that he might be doing all of this just to drag attention to himself because his journalism is toilet paper grade. He is a media guy and in order to be successful you have to put yourself in the limelight, how you do that doesn't really matter you can write stuff that is absolutely shit and disgusting or you can do it by writing extremely thoughtful well wrote articles. Unfortunately he is using the former tactic. Its getting him talked about it, its getting him hits on his internet page and its getting him onto different media outlets (Talksport Today) and this all leads to more money.

The best thing you can do is not to give this twat any time what so ever, stop following him on Twitter, don't buy his paper, turn him off when he is on the radio or TV and do not hit any of his internet pages and don't talk about him. He is just another retard in that crowd of life. 

By reacting to his shit you will be doing one of the above and putting him somewhere where he does not belong to be and giving him what he wants

It is simple "Ignore the c*nt"

[Pistolero]

Tony Evans and Tony Barrett seem a bit put out at getting 'abuse' from some of our fans because of the views of another journalist-simple,lads-make a statement or tweet condemning the words and views of Barclay instead of awkwardly hiding behind 'links'.

Dont hold your breath.. I think they shown which side of the divide they're on...due largely to professional reasons none of them are going to want to be seen as rocking the boat...

[Liverbird 2010]

He licking up to us now shithouse !!!

[Fat Scouser]

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  sorry , but that made me laugh

What are you sorry for, that was the idea.
It's pretty much all you can do with these bastards.... laugh at them.
But until Kenny and the club put an end to it, this is going to be used as another stick to beat us with, no matter how untrue, or unfair.
The truth is... the club and Kenny made a right pig's ear of how they handled this. They need to issue an official statement, then refuse to comment any further on it.
Our friends down the East Lancs are already putting KKK hoods on the Liverbird. The fact's are there if anyone wants to look... racism has never been a big problem in Liverpool, but we have been treated with the worst of prejudice for 40 odd years now.
Hardly a peep was made about The Thatcher government's plans for "Managed Decline." But some dickhead doing a monkey gesture has been portrayed as the worst crime since slavery.
What's new?
This is how the rest of the country treats us. If we fight back, they tell us to stop playing the victim. We can't win. Issue a statement condeming all prejudice as well as racism, and then fuck them off. We don't need them, and they'll just make up stories anyway.

[CraigDS]

The problem with kicking up a fuss when someone like this says shit is he is only doing it for the attention and to get himself back in the limelight so to speak. And it works. He says something controversial, he knows it'll kick up a big shit storm (deservedly), and he ends up on the radio and putting his name back out there.

[BUSHMILLS]

How so? Look at what he said. Look at what he didn't say.

I'd leave Brian Reade out of any journalist-witch-hunt. The last I heard, he's going into hospital so he can donate a kidney to his seriously ill son. So I think he's probably got more important things on his mind right now.

[Andy @ Allerton]

Becuase I think he writes what he honestly believes. I remember an article from him at the time saying that he thought the club made a bad move with the t-shirts. What else did he/didn't he say? It's not about being "with us or against us", he wrote what he thought was right.

Patrick Barclay is an absolute twat of the highest order who clearly has an agenda against the club. Brian Reade is a good journalist and a very decent man.

I can accept that he thought the T-Shirts was a bad idea if he said why. IF he had gone into the report and looked at it objectively and then concluded that it had problems (It clearly has) but that the T-Shirts were a bad idea then fine.

But he just jumped onto the bandwagon with everyone else slagging the club off. He might not have added much but all I've had from certain people is "Your club are a shower of fucking shithouses. Your players are shithouses. Your fans are shithouses. Your manager is a shithouse. Tony Evans and Brian Reade have even said your club are shithouses"

The meaning of what he might have thought/wrote just got lost in the general condemnation of the club. Now that Tony Evans and Brian Reade (To the people that read their shit) think that LFC are racist c*nts then there is no way back from there really. People are using Reade and Evans as a stick to beat the club with.

[shelovesyou]

Funny how Barclay seems to come up with this type of shite every time we play a certain team with a certain c*nt of a manager-I've no doubt that these are his personal views on Heysel as much as Barclays but the bigger picture is an attempt to turn Old Trafford into a televised display of the bitter,seething hatred of the racist liverpool fans.
Tony Evans and Tony Barrett seem a bit put out at getting 'abuse' from some of our fans because of the views of another journalist-simple,lads-make a statement or tweet condemning the words and views of Barclay instead of awkwardly hiding behind 'links'.

Evans has tweeted about Barclay, last night, condeming him, he also complained about the abuse he recieved for not doing so sooner.

[Andy @ Allerton]

Dont hold your breath.. I think they shown which side of the divide they're on...due largely to professional reasons none of them are going to want to be seen as rocking the boat...

I think you are dead wrong. Barrett has put a few articles in saying there is another side to all this.

[Mucho-Xabi]

Barclay is an unemployed ex-hack with an over-inflated ego and too much time on his hands. What he said was abhorrent and a disgrace. But he craves attention, and should be highlighted for the unbalanced individual that he is. But more importantly he is irrelevant and deserves to be ignored.

But be careful about things that emerge from twitter. It can be an incredible tool for social change and justice, such as the Arab Spring or closer to home the e petition for The Hillsborough Inquiry. But Twitter is also populated by a disproportionate amount of wum's, trolls and batters. Hounding someone until they rise to it and say something offensive or something you deliberately misconstrue as offensive. That's not an accruate way of discovering the truth or the true nature of someone.

Take Jim Boardman (who I follow) wore an excellent article on Anfield Road on the double standards of Piara Powar. He highlighted the use of the word coconut, which he asked someone to stop being a coconut. Now to my mind that's akin to calling someone a doughnut or a maggot. But it seems the receipiant, siekh I think, took that to mean the offensive term and revelled in it. And he pursued the man until he got the response he wanted.
Twitter is rarely a source of balanced opinion, and anything quoted from there need to be seen in the context of the whole "conversation"

[Bob Loblaw]

I remember reading a piece fro him over a year ago now i'd say, where reading between the lines, he was saying pretty much the same thing. He clearly is just a very hateful human being. And the rest in the media are just being shown up for the spineless cowards they are. FUCK THEM ALL!!

[The Grinch]

His stupid comment has over shadowed the what he said about Suarez - which coming from him is the literary equivalent of a hand shandy for the whole first team.

And what did he mean by having the word racist put in his mouth and it not being fun?

When the Suarez hearing was adjourned for the weekend Barclay came out and said it was because Suarez was guilty and the reason the hearing was taking so long was because the panel could not decide on how long to ban Suarez for. Is that what Barclay was talking about, had he had been briefed off the record and told Suarez was a racist but when the report came out the FA and Evra clearly stated that Suarez was not a racist.

If that is indeed true then that needs investigating properly.

[shelovesyou]

You notice also the lack of condemnation of the Chelsea fans for booing Ferdinand the other day. I mean
surely thats worse than our fans booing Evra ?
At least Evra was involved in the actual process.
Funny that eh!?

[shelovesyou]

When the Suarez hearing was adjourned for the weekend Barclay came out and said it was because Suarez was guilty and the reason the hearing was taking so long was because the panel could not decide on how long to ban Suarez for. Is that what Barclay was talking about, had he had been briefed off the record and told Suarez was a racist but when the report came out the FA and Evra clearly stated that Suarez was not a racist.

If that is indeed true then that needs investigating properly.

I remember that also, someone was leaking info, that much we can assume.
Mark Bright was tweeting Jim Boardman the other night with regards to Suarez, after Kenny said he should never of been out in the first place,
and along with myself, was consistently asked if he had actually read the report, he wouldnt answer.
He also stated that the media labelled Kenny 'King' and not the fans.

[Armand9]

I think you are dead wrong. Barrett has put a few articles in saying there is another side to all this.

well i wish i saw those cos the first one i read towed the press line that they were all taking, which gutted me as tony barrett was the ony journo i rated and loved reading his stuff (on any club) cos i felt i was getting a balanced view. but after reading so many shite articles on the subject and finally a barrett one i couldn't read any more of the fucking dross as it was doing my head in

[ricflairandy]

Take Jim Boardman (who I follow) wore an excellent article on Anfield Road on the double standards of Piara Powar. He highlighted the use of the word coconut, which he asked someone to stop being a coconut. Now to my mind that's akin to calling someone a doughnut or a maggot. But it seems the receipiant, siekh I think, took that to mean the offensive term and revelled in it. And he pursued the man until he got the response he wanted.
Twitter is rarely a source of balanced opinion, and anything quoted from there need to be seen in the context of the whole "conversation"

Disagree on this. The Siekh lad wasnt interesting in pursuing it. He clearly only let people know to show the attitude of the powar idiot. Which is basicly, if you dont agree with me your an *insert derogatory remark here*.

[AllyouneedisRush]

Nope.

Haven't heard someone squirm like that since the Murdochs were in the stand.

what was worse is that he said he wished he hadn't 'said it in public'... in private he probably would have said the same!

He did apologise at the end, but only to 'them'....  them being his close aquaitences who had been disgusted in what he had said!

He called the guy who he tweeted with a 'twerp' and the apology didn't go to him!

[gregor]

But he just jumped onto the bandwagon with everyone else slagging the club off. He might not have added much but all I've had from certain people is "Your club are a shower of fucking shithouses. Your players are shithouses. Your fans are shithouses. Your manager is a shithouse. Tony Evans and Brian Reade have even said your club are shithouses"

The meaning of what he might have thought/wrote just got lost in the general condemnation of the club. Now that Tony Evans and Brian Reade (To the people that read their shit) think that LFC are racist c*nts then there is no way back from there really. People are using Reade and Evans as a stick to beat the club with.

I think he did say why he felt like that - he said it was an emotive issue and that while it was hardly the most serious racial incident that's ever occured on an English football pitch, the club shouldn't be taking such a gung ho, siege mentality approach to it becuase there was a bigger picture. I'm sure he actually said at the time that supporting Suarez was fine. I'll have to dig the article out. I happened to agree with most of what he wrote on the matter, but that's not relevant. He's not someone with an agenda against the club (he loves LFC) and I honestly don't believe he "tows the party line" with his articles.

If people have twisted his words then that's not really his fault.

[Stussy]

And he pursued the man until he got the response he wanted.

Bollocks did he pursue him until he got the 'response he wanted'. He asked him a simple question, without aggression, without rudeness, without any agenda, and got singled out for a racial put down simply because of his ethnicity, by Mr Powar.

[SMD]

What the fuck are you lot doing listening to Talksport anyway? You know it's shite, you know it'll rile you and you know that's exactly what they want.

Barclay can't handle the abuse but you're just justifying his existence by listening in.