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Re: Maxi - Vastly underated
« Reply #360 on: March 15, 2012, 10:33:43 PM »
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Re: Maxi - Vastly underated
« Reply #361 on: March 16, 2012, 01:07:36 AM »
I don't believe Maxi's season is done yet. Expect him to start at QPR, then who knows?
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Re: Maxi - Vastly underated
« Reply #362 on: March 16, 2012, 09:39:05 AM »
Honestly believe he'll start against Stoke.
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Re: Maxi - Vastly underated
« Reply #363 on: March 16, 2012, 10:34:52 AM »
i dont think he'll ever start a game with us again
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Re: Maxi - Vastly underated
« Reply #364 on: March 16, 2012, 11:03:47 AM »
Is he under contract for another year? Or does it run out in the summer?

It would be nice to know that if he did leave this summer (and for what it's worth I don't think he should), we'd get some sort of fee for him.
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Re: Maxi - Vastly underated
« Reply #365 on: March 16, 2012, 11:06:14 AM »
Quote from: scatman on March 16, 2012, 10:34:52 AM
i dont think he'll ever start a game with us again

Well if he doesn't get a chance against Stoke, QPR or Wigan we can pretty much conclude with your comment. When was the last time he was on bench even?
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Re: Maxi - Vastly underated
« Reply #366 on: March 16, 2012, 11:08:57 AM »
His contract is up at the end of the season and he'll not be offered a new one. I think Dalglish is not playing him with that in mind. I think Maxi should have been played more even at the expense of Downing's progress (little or nonexistent anyway).
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Re: Maxi - Vastly underated
« Reply #367 on: March 16, 2012, 03:10:37 PM »
Have to agree witht he comments about him moving on in the summer. Have a look in Royhendo's excellent FSG thread and you will see he is one of the last few players identified as being 'surplus' and not offering a good return. Sounds harsh to me, as I have always thought he had the potential to change things coming off the bench, but I think his age and wages go against him. Shame really, reminds me of the Jari situation in a lot of ways.
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Re: Maxi - Vastly underated
« Reply #368 on: March 16, 2012, 03:28:01 PM »
Quote from: Davvo7 on March 16, 2012, 03:10:37 PM
Have to agree witht he comments about him moving on in the summer. Have a look in Royhendo's excellent FSG thread and you will see he is one of the last few players identified as being 'surplus' and not offering a good return. Sounds harsh to me, as I have always thought he had the potential to change things coming off the bench, but I think his age and wages go against him. Shame really, reminds me of the Jari situation in a lot of ways.

One of Maxi's pros that's not adequately reflected in the graph is how he seems to be the best friend of every South American, not to mention a certain ex-player. When Chelsea were looking to sign Liverpool players to make their bluntshooter work better, they'd have been better off going for Maxi rather than Meireles.
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Re: Maxi - Vastly underated
« Reply #369 on: March 17, 2012, 01:03:33 AM »
Quote from: Davvo7 on March 16, 2012, 03:10:37 PM
Have to agree witht he comments about him moving on in the summer. Have a look in Royhendo's excellent FSG thread and you will see he is one of the last few players identified as being 'surplus' and not offering a good return. Sounds harsh to me, as I have always thought he had the potential to change things coming off the bench, but I think his age and wages go against him. Shame really, reminds me of the Jari situation in a lot of ways.

It's guaranteed he will move, but I think Maxi has shown his worth. When we still have him, why not use him? We don't even use him as an impact sub. He is just occupying a place on the bench which, if we don't use Maxi, should go to a younger player for the future.
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Re: Maxi - Vastly underated
« Reply #370 on: March 17, 2012, 04:56:05 PM »
He'll go because he is on 70k a week and not the youngest, typical player FSG want to get rid of.  But while he is here we should have used him far more.
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Re: Maxi - Vastly underated
« Reply #371 on: March 17, 2012, 09:21:13 PM »
I dont think hes so great, ye he scores a few goals now an again but hes not a true out an out winger that we need
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Re: Maxi - Vastly underated
« Reply #372 on: March 17, 2012, 09:40:01 PM »
He'll start tomorrow or vs QPR. 99% sure.
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Re: Maxi - Vastly underated
« Reply #373 on: March 17, 2012, 09:44:43 PM »
Quote from: JayEvans on March 17, 2012, 09:21:13 PM
I dont think hes so great, ye he scores a few goals now an again but hes not a true out an out winger that we need

Now now, don't you go saying that about RAWK's pet Argentine!  :P
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Re: Maxi - Vastly underated
« Reply #374 on: March 17, 2012, 09:47:46 PM »
Quote from: JayEvans on March 17, 2012, 09:21:13 PM
I dont think hes so great, ye he scores a few goals now an again but hes not a true out an out winger that we need

Sadly, he should still get in the team on merit. He does enough for it.
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Re: Maxi - Vastly underated
« Reply #375 on: March 17, 2012, 09:50:02 PM »
The team is picked based on perfomance in training and if he isnt trying his hardest or isnt impressing then why would you start him? He isnt even that great, yes he is intelligent with runs and scores the odd goal but he hasnt made one successful dribble or cross all season (according to Opta)... And he plays on the wing.
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Re: Maxi - Vastly underated
« Reply #376 on: March 17, 2012, 10:01:12 PM »
Quote from: Suarez7Carroll9 on March 17, 2012, 09:50:02 PM
The team is picked based on perfomance in training and if he isnt trying his hardest or isnt impressing then why would you start him? He isnt even that great, yes he is intelligent with runs and scores the odd goal but he hasnt made one successful dribble or cross all season (according to Opta)... And he plays on the wing.

Why? Because the other options we have tried may be superstars on the training field, but they don't deliver on match day. What's the risk in trying Maxi? He can't give us much less.
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Re: Maxi - Vastly underated
« Reply #377 on: March 17, 2012, 10:05:29 PM »
Quote from: Suarez7Carroll9 on March 17, 2012, 09:50:02 PM
The team is picked based on perfomance in training and if he isnt trying his hardest or isnt impressing then why would you start him? He isnt even that great, yes he is intelligent with runs and scores the odd goal but he hasnt made one successful dribble or cross all season (according to Opta)... And he plays on the wing.

By that argument the usage of players cannot ever be questioned unless you frequent Melwood.
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Re: Maxi - Vastly underated
« Reply #378 on: March 17, 2012, 10:06:26 PM »
Quote from: Gnurglan on March 17, 2012, 10:01:12 PM
Why? Because the other options we have tried may be superstars on the training field, but they don't deliver on match day. What's the risk in trying Maxi? He can't give us much less.

Much rather we went to the opposite end of the scale and blood some more youngsters

Maxi, decent as he was, is at the wrong end of his football career, and we learn or benefit little in bringing him in now.

Also there is a fair bit of absence makes the heart grow fonder about him, Aquilani and Meireles. They don't play and suddenly become fantastic and we should never of been leaving them out/selling them, simply because Carroll/Dirk/Henderson or Downing are poor, doesn't mean they would be any better.
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Re: Maxi - Vastly underated
« Reply #379 on: March 17, 2012, 10:08:52 PM »
Quote from: Suarez7Carroll9 on March 17, 2012, 09:50:02 PM
The team is picked based on perfomance in training and if he isnt trying his hardest or isnt impressing then why would you start him? He isnt even that great, yes he is intelligent with runs and scores the odd goal but he hasnt made one successful dribble or cross all season (according to Opta)... And he plays on the wing.

He has scored 3 goals in 10 appearances.  Last season his goal record under Dalglish was superb.  He has something like 11 goals in his last 14 starts hasn't he?  Now given we lack goals, I'd say that is fairly important especially when we compared it to Downing's 0 goals in the league (and 0 assists for that matter - although that is not totally his fault, he can't finish the chances he creates.)

Players who play wide don't just cross, some like to cut inside and play one / two's something Suarez thrives off and they look great together.

I saw an interview where Souness and Dalglish met Torres, Reina and Arbeloa.  Souness said (and Dalglish agreed) that Dalglish was the worst trainer at the club when they played, but it didn't matter because on a Saturday he was the best player and did the business.  Now if Maxi is doing the business when played, who cares if he isn't the best trainer?

Also I find it hard to imagine he isn't a good trainer.  Dalglish has always praised his professionalism and attitude, plus with his technique he would struggle to look poor in training.

I might be wrong, I just think Maxi doesn't play because FSG want rid of him due to his wages / age and Dalglish wants to build a team to play together for 2, 3+ years and plays Henderson, Downing etc over him as a result.
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Re: Maxi - Vastly underated
« Reply #380 on: March 17, 2012, 10:17:32 PM »
Quote from: Z e u s on March 17, 2012, 10:08:52 PM
I might be wrong, I just think Maxi doesn't play because FSG want rid of him due to his wages / age and Dalglish wants to build a team to play together for 2, 3+ years and plays Henderson, Downing etc over him as a result.


Hope you are wrong.  While we may be rebuilding the stringest side needs to be played each week.  That shouldn't be based on either the age or the long term prospects of the players.  Young players can be blooded as and when opportunities arise, but the results must come first.

Personally I'd have had Maxi or Bellamy ahead of Downing on the left the last few months although there has been a marked improvement in the latters performances in recent weeks.  Even Maxi's not in the first 11, can't understand why he doesn't get more appearances from the bench.
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Re: Maxi - Vastly underated
« Reply #381 on: March 17, 2012, 10:23:21 PM »
Quote from: Bangin Them In on March 17, 2012, 10:06:26 PM
Much rather we went to the opposite end of the scale and blood some more youngsters

Maxi, decent as he was, is at the wrong end of his football career, and we learn or benefit little in bringing him in now.

Also there is a fair bit of absence makes the heart grow fonder about him, Aquilani and Meireles. They don't play and suddenly become fantastic and we should never of been leaving them out/selling them, simply because Carroll/Dirk/Henderson or Downing are poor, doesn't mean they would be any better.

Don't mind us trying young players now. Except for the FA Cup games, our season is over and we should prepare for next. We can either play the kids, or we can try and install the style of play we want. Understand Maxi will leave, but IMO so should one or two other players and we could well play Maxi over them.
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Re: Maxi - Vastly underated
« Reply #382 on: March 17, 2012, 10:45:07 PM »
Not playing him and paying him £70k a week makes less sense than letting his contract run out. Most other midfielders at the club earn similar and I fail to see why he is not worth those wages. I really hope there is another reason for him not playing. If his contribution this season could've put us in the race for 4th then not playing him is a stupid decision.
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Re: Maxi - Vastly underated
« Reply #383 on: March 17, 2012, 10:57:23 PM »
Quote from: thelinnen on March 17, 2012, 10:45:07 PM
Not playing him and paying him £70k a week makes less sense than letting his contract run out. Most other midfielders at the club earn similar and I fail to see why he is not worth those wages. I really hope there is another reason for him not playing. If his contribution this season could've put us in the race for 4th then not playing him is a stupid decision.

Phasing him out even though don't see harm using him if he leaving in summer
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Re: Maxi - Vastly underated
« Reply #384 on: March 18, 2012, 03:22:17 PM »
Quote from: thelinnen on March 17, 2012, 10:45:07 PM
Not playing him and paying him £70k a week makes less sense than letting his contract run out. Most other midfielders at the club earn similar and I fail to see why he is not worth those wages. I really hope there is another reason for him not playing. If his contribution this season could've put us in the race for 4th then not playing him is a stupid decision.

Then clearly the logical answer is that that isn't the reason, unless you think Dalglish is happy to be deliberately underperforming in the league.
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Re: Maxi - Vastly underated
« Reply #385 on: March 18, 2012, 03:30:36 PM »
Wonder what is the thoughts behind Maxi's inclusion
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Re: Maxi - Vastly underated
« Reply #386 on: March 18, 2012, 03:32:12 PM »
Great to see him back in.
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Re: Maxi - Vastly underated
« Reply #387 on: March 18, 2012, 03:36:13 PM »
Quote from: aliotman on March 18, 2012, 03:30:36 PM
Wonder what is the thoughts behind Maxi's inclusion

I often wonder what the thoughts are behind his exclusion.  Proven goalscorer from midfield in a team whose midfield can't score if it's life depended on it !!  (bar Gerrard!)
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Re: Maxi - Vastly underated
« Reply #388 on: March 18, 2012, 03:54:44 PM »
Excited to see him play again, love his movement, usually gets into great goalscoring positions  :lickin
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« Reply #389 on: March 18, 2012, 06:16:41 PM »
Sorry but him having nothing to do with the first team for the last 8 odd games and then being asked to start a FA Cup quarter final in which after 20 odd minutes he helps set up Suarez for the opening goal - and not just a nothing assist but a clever one two with Suarez that none of our other midfielders have shown that NOT only have the ability to do it but have proven time and time again they can execute - that's including Gerrard as well ... I don't usually get vocally upset with managerial desicions but who has decided to sideline Maxi this season has made stupid mistake to say the least, I don't care the reason why either .... if Maxi had of been not used at all I would be less upset as I am now but to expect a player to not have anything to do with the first team for 8 games and then expect him to start an important FA Cup quarter final tie is incredible but hey it's Maxi afterall he has proven he can step into the team have an instant impact....
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Re: Maxi - Vastly underated
« Reply #390 on: March 18, 2012, 06:21:38 PM »
How minutes of our 8 home league draws has Maxi played?
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« Reply #391 on: March 18, 2012, 06:23:49 PM »
Quote from: leivapool on March 18, 2012, 03:36:13 PM
I often wonder what the thoughts are behind his exclusion.  Proven goalscorer from midfield in a team whose midfield can't score if it's life depended on it !!  (bar Gerrard!)
He looked really disappointed coming off today
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« Reply #392 on: March 18, 2012, 06:27:12 PM »
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He looked really disappointed coming off today
Sure did , surprised if he stays next season.
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Re: Maxi - Vastly underated
« Reply #393 on: March 18, 2012, 06:28:00 PM »
I agree with the comments about Maxi linking up with Suarez. He is one of the best one touch players at the club and we always look better when the two of them are on the pitch together. He always looks a goal threat too as he finds space others don't.
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Re: Maxi - Vastly underated
« Reply #394 on: March 18, 2012, 06:29:42 PM »
Felt bad for him when he was subbed, the look on his face and the little headshake wasn't nice

Unlikely but i hope he gets to play alot of football from now until the end of the season, he deserves it
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Re: Maxi - Vastly underated
« Reply #395 on: March 18, 2012, 06:32:06 PM »
Quote from: BMW on March 18, 2012, 06:16:41 PM
Sorry but him having nothing to do with the first team for the last 8 odd games and then being asked to start a FA Cup quarter final in which after 20 odd minutes he helps set up Suarez for the opening goal - and not just a nothing assist but a clever one two with Suarez that none of our other midfielders have shown that NOT only have the ability to do it but have proven time and time again they can execute - that's including Gerrard as well ... I don't usually get vocally upset with managerial desicions but who has decided to sideline Maxi this season has made stupid mistake to say the least, I don't care the reason why either .... if Maxi had of been not used at all I would be less upset as I am now but to expect a player to not have anything to do with the first team for 8 games and then expect him to start an important FA Cup quarter final tie is incredible but hey it's Maxi afterall he has proven he can step into the team have an instant impact....

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Re: Maxi - Vastly underated
« Reply #396 on: March 18, 2012, 06:33:57 PM »
Hope he starts again in the next game.
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Re: Maxi - Vastly underated
« Reply #397 on: March 18, 2012, 06:37:10 PM »
He did really look gutted when he was pulled. Doesn't really deserve to be treated the way he has this season.

Looking likely he won't be a Liverpool player after this season.
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« Reply #398 on: March 18, 2012, 06:38:14 PM »
Quote from: rocco on March 18, 2012, 06:27:12 PM
Sure did , surprised if he stays next season.
Seriously doubt that, isn't his contract up in the summer? I don't mind him leaving and us getting a younger quicker player but not using him while he is here doesn't make any sense. IMO he and Henderson do the same job for the team and Henderson could learn alot from him so they should be rotated
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Re: Maxi - Vastly underated
« Reply #399 on: March 18, 2012, 06:47:49 PM »
Quote from: RyanBabel19 on March 18, 2012, 06:29:42 PM
Felt bad for him when he was subbed, the look on his face and the little headshake wasn't nice

Unlikely but i hope he gets to play alot of football from now until the end of the season, he deserves it

Don't think he has finished a game all season, never seem happy when coming off.
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Liverpool manager Rafael Benítez admitted after the match that the manner of his side's victory had stunned him and he stated: "My problem is that I don't have words to express the things that I feel at this moment"
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