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Re: 2012 Boston Red Sox Thread
« Reply #160 on: April 17, 2012, 08:41:16 PM »
Well, you lot are never boring, I'll give you that. :)
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Re: 2012 Boston Red Sox Thread
« Reply #161 on: April 17, 2012, 11:39:37 PM »
Good news: Ellsbury won't need surgery.

http://espn.go.com/boston/mlb/story/_/id/7825402/boston-red-sox-jacoby-ellsbury-need-shoulder-surgery

And Youkilis is back in the line-up tonight.

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Re: 2012 Boston Red Sox Thread
« Reply #162 on: April 18, 2012, 12:08:16 AM »
Was just about to head off to bed, then realised Red Sox vs Texas Rangers is on ESPN. 
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Re: 2012 Boston Red Sox Thread
« Reply #163 on: April 18, 2012, 12:26:53 AM »
Lester pitching against a bunch of hot hitters.

First and third one out for Texas. Beltre up, grounds into dp.

Aviles hard single off the wall leading off.

Dustin goes yard. 2-0 Sox.

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Re: 2012 Boston Red Sox Thread
« Reply #164 on: April 18, 2012, 12:30:30 AM »
Who are your commentators there?

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« Reply #165 on: April 18, 2012, 12:33:19 AM »
Who are your commentators there?

No idea.  I'll keep my eyes peeled to see if their names pop up again.
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Re: 2012 Boston Red Sox Thread
« Reply #166 on: April 18, 2012, 12:45:40 AM »

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Re: 2012 Boston Red Sox Thread
« Reply #167 on: April 18, 2012, 12:49:39 AM »
Bah. Lester couldn't hold his cookies tonight, never mind a lead.

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Re: 2012 Boston Red Sox Thread
« Reply #168 on: April 18, 2012, 01:02:21 AM »
Is it these guys?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8r7XhXZeNy8&feature=related

Yeah, it's Don Orsillo and Jerry Remy.

Lester having a bit of a mare here.
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Re: 2012 Boston Red Sox Thread
« Reply #169 on: April 18, 2012, 01:07:38 AM »
Yeah, it's Don Orsillo and Jerry Remy.

Best commentators in the werld.

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63 pitches to get 6 outs.

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Re: 2012 Boston Red Sox Thread
« Reply #170 on: April 18, 2012, 01:15:52 AM »

63 pitches to get 6 outs.

Not good when the Sox innings went by in a flash after all of that.

What was all that about Lester getting late to the dugout etc.  Surely, if he's not well, he shouldn't be out there.  Or is that pure speculation from the commentators.
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Re: 2012 Boston Red Sox Thread
« Reply #171 on: April 18, 2012, 01:20:17 AM »
Lester's looked like dogshit all game from the first batter he's faced to be honest.

I'm sure Bobby Hodgson will whip him into shape with an interview to sports radio.

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Re: 2012 Boston Red Sox Thread
« Reply #172 on: April 18, 2012, 01:38:25 AM »
And there goes Lester (and probably the game).

This rotation has some serious holes in it.

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Re: 2012 Boston Red Sox Thread
« Reply #173 on: April 18, 2012, 01:41:09 AM »
This has been fucking brutal tonight. Matt Albers coming into the game will probably be what sends me to bed.

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« Reply #174 on: April 18, 2012, 01:44:59 AM »
Lester's looked like dogshit all game from the first batter he's faced to be honest.

I'm sure Bobby Hodgson will whip him into shape with an interview to sports radio.

Is that a bit like airing your dirty laundry in public with the radio interview?

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Re: 2012 Boston Red Sox Thread
« Reply #175 on: April 18, 2012, 02:10:29 AM »
Bad night all round, Cs getting Knicked in New York. I've moved to the bedroom.

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Re: 2012 Boston Red Sox Thread
« Reply #176 on: April 18, 2012, 02:13:35 AM »
Is that a bit like airing your dirty laundry in public with the radio interview?

He did it Sunday with Youk.

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Re: 2012 Boston Red Sox Thread
« Reply #177 on: April 18, 2012, 02:14:39 AM »
Bad night all round, Cs getting Knicked in New York. I've moved to the bedroom.

Certainly has been pretty poor.  Shame really after the 2 run lead as well.
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Re: 2012 Boston Red Sox Thread
« Reply #178 on: April 18, 2012, 02:45:17 AM »
Think it's time for bed.  Red Sox with a shocking display this evening.  Losing 12-2.  Just had 2 straight home runs at the top of the 8th.
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Re: 2012 Boston Red Sox Thread
« Reply #179 on: April 18, 2012, 02:45:46 AM »
Wow. Fucking crushed it.

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« Reply #180 on: April 18, 2012, 02:50:46 AM »
That is some beating.

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Re: 2012 Boston Red Sox Thread
« Reply #181 on: April 18, 2012, 02:55:42 AM »
Bobby Hodgson is presiding over a fucking mess of epic proportions. He was supposed to manages egos. This team has very different problems than what he was brought in to fix.

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Re: 2012 Boston Red Sox Thread
« Reply #182 on: April 18, 2012, 03:04:29 AM »
16-2 lol.

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Re: 2012 Boston Red Sox Thread
« Reply #183 on: April 18, 2012, 04:27:50 AM »
Bobby Hodgson is presiding over a fucking mess of epic proportions. He was supposed to manages egos. This team has very different problems than what he was brought in to fix.

From an outside perspective, I don't think your pitching is there at the moment, which is crucial in the AL East. It might come back in mid-season, but it always was looking like it might be an issue with Lackey out, Buchholz returning from Tommy John surgery, Bailey being injured, Bard being shifted from bullpen to rotation etc. The team ERA is the second worst in the AL behind Tampa Bay (who can probably thank Joel Peralta for that  :D). You've also have had a lot of injuries. Most of your injured players aren't back until near June. 7 of the 10 players you currently have injured are pitchers and two of the non-pitching absentees are Ellsbury and Crawford, which have deflated your outfield hitting options.

The players who are there, currently aren't helping themselves after what happened to Francona last season. And Valentine of course isn't helping things out by managing within the media and chirping in public about players at this stage of the season. Unlike Francona, he's not subtle, nor is he willing to take the pressure off others. Perhaps, he's felt after the beer and chicken episode that publicly criticizing veterans would work, but I think it's too early at this stage, even if the Red Sox are currently at the foot of the AL East standings. After all you were in a worse position at this point last season.Nor is it helpful to go to criticize someone through the media, which can only exacerbate things, rather than speaking to the player first in private. I think one of the bigger issues Henry and co. might re: next season is that many teams this year are already locking up their upcoming and future free agents to lengthy contracts. At present, the likes of Greinke, Hamels, League, Marcum and the surprising Lohse haven't been locked up, so they might be able to try and throw some money at that problem area.

I still won't be surprised if Valentine is dumped around the All Star break if things don't turn around. I've never understood why on earth he's given so much time within the baseball world. He talks a good game, but little else. His record as a manger isn't the greatest. Yes, he took the Mets to a World Series, but did so when they were hefty spenders. He's known for making stupid comments about players. He's known for doing stupid things like the fake moustache. Given that the Red Sox pushed hard to bring Farrell back from Toronto last season (which AA outright rejected) and wanted other candidates of a similar ilk like Dale Sveum, I could see Cherington being given a tad more license in the off-season to pick somebody who he wants and perhaps a quick rebuild on the cards.
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Re: 2012 Boston Red Sox Thread
« Reply #184 on: April 18, 2012, 11:31:42 AM »
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Re: 2012 Boston Red Sox Thread
« Reply #185 on: April 18, 2012, 11:59:04 AM »
I went to bed as Matt Albers came into the game in the top of the seventh. It was 8-2 at that point. Fucking hell.

Every time a Texas batter came to the plate I was expecting him to get on base. It was just that kind of night, I guess.

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« Reply #186 on: April 18, 2012, 02:04:33 PM »
No one likes to be alarmist after such a small amount of games (and they're actually doing better than they were this time last year...) but the Sox have some real problems.  Valentine was hired essentially to punish a group of highly talented players who shit out badly last September. Perceived to have been flabby and and indisciplined, out went the arm around the shoulder, and in came the the kick in the backside. It seemed a stupid knee jerk move then and it seems it now. To make matters worse, as El C suggests,  Valentine is having to deal with a series of injuries, and dodgy deals (am I the only one who wouldn't have minded Jed Lowrie hanging around?) which have the left huge holes in the squad. He isn't there to rebuild or even patch up.  Valentine only seems willing to trust Padilla, Morales and Aceves in the bullpen. The back end of it is a mess, and a lot more of a mess than it would be with Bard there to close and Aceves able to give you a few innings of relief. The starting pitching looks flaky. The outfield full of holes, though with three second choice guys out there maybe that's to be expected (I'm expecting it would Crawford-Ells-Kalish if all were fit.) Throw in the fact that Valentine doesn't seem to be that much of a disciplinarian and more a foot-in-mouth fool, and the patently obvious fact that he wasn't Cherington's choice for the job, and you have a recipe for disaster.

That said, there is still enough talent available, and enough talent to come back off the DL, for them to compete, even in a tough division. I can see it happening. Maybe adversity will forge something powerful, and these players will bust a gut to erase the memores of last Autumn. But I can also see them sliding off a cliff in media shitstorm of acrimony and division, led by Bobby V and his shiteating grin.
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Re: 2012 Boston Red Sox Thread
« Reply #187 on: April 18, 2012, 02:11:29 PM »
No one likes to be alarmist after such a small amount of games (and they're actually doing better than they were this time last year...) but the Sox have some real problems.  Valentine was hired essentially to punish a group of highly talented players who shit out badly last September. Perceived to have been flabby and and indisciplined, out went the arm around the shoulder, and in came the the kick in the backside. It seemed a stupid knee jerk move then and it seems it now. To make matters worse, as El C suggests,  Valentine is having to deal with a series of injuries, and dodgy deals (am I the only one who wouldn't have minded Jed Lowrie hanging around?) which have the left huge holes in the squad. He isn't there to rebuild or even patch up.  Valentine only seems willing to trust Padilla, Morales and Aceves in the bullpen. The back end of it is a mess, and a lot more of a mess than it would be with Bard there to close and Aceves able to give you a few innings of relief. The starting pitching looks flaky. The outfield full of holes, though with three second choice guys out there maybe that's to be expected (I'm expecting it would Crawford-Ells-Kalish if all were fit.) Throw in the fact that Valentine doesn't seem to be that much of a disciplinarian and more a foot-in-mouth fool, and the patently obvious fact that he wasn't Cherington's choice for the job, and you have a recipe for disaster.

That said, there is still enough talent available, and enough talent to come back off the DL, for them to compete, even in a tough division. I can see it happening. Maybe adversity will forge something powerful, and these players will bust a gut to erase the memores of last Autumn. But I can also see them sliding off a cliff in media shitstorm of acrimony and division, led by Bobby V and his shiteating grin.

In a nutshell that's my take on it from the outside.

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Re: 2012 Boston Red Sox Thread
« Reply #188 on: April 18, 2012, 02:17:05 PM »
I wonder if Mark Melancon's wishing he'd stayed with the Astros.

It's too soon to panic but there's enough to be concerned about as far as our pitching's concerned (although it's not all bad news by any means). I saw someone yesterday saying that it'll be alright once Dice-K's back. I laughed.

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Re: 2012 Boston Red Sox Thread
« Reply #189 on: April 18, 2012, 05:20:37 PM »
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WHY BOBBY VALENTINE REALLY DOESN’T MATTER

Tattoo this please behind your eyelids and remember it the next time you blame the success or failure of the Red Sox on what a manager says or does not say:

It’s all about pitching.

The 2012 Red Sox are 4-7, and it has nothing to do with Bobby Valentine questioning Kevin Youkilis or any lingering clubhouse disharmony or Liverpool or Linda Pizzuti or even Michael Kay.

Here’s all you need to know: The Red Sox are dead last in the major leagues in ERA, batting average against, hits per nine innings and 28th overall in WHIP.

So far, it’s been September all over again. Instead of Kyle Weiland and Erik Bedard it’s Marc Melanson and Justin Thomas. This team has no shot — zero — of being even semi-competitive without consistent pitching. Now do I think the Red Sox are going to finish the season with a 6.22 ERA? Of course not, and that’s not the point. If Josh Beckett and Clay Buchholz stay healthy and Daniel Bard and Felix Doubront are merely serviceable the rotation should be OK (but those are not insignificant ifs — Buchholz has one season with more than 20 starts, who knows about Beckett’s thumb and Bard and Doubront have shown promise in their first two starts but both have a WHIP north of 1.70).

The bullpen is a different story, with Papelbon Replacement No. 1 possibly out for the season and Papelbon Replacement No. 2 currently sporting a 49.50 ERA and – according to his manager – is possibly on his way to Pawtucket. When Scott Atchison has been the best pitcher in the bullpen – and he has been terrific – there are problems, and here’s what would terrify me if I’m a Sox fan: There is no sure thing in that bullpen. Could Franklin Morales keep this up? Maybe, but there is no track record. Who do you trust? Matt Albers? Thomas? Vicente Padilla, 34 years old with back-to-back-to-back injury filled seasons? Longing for Rich Hill and Daisuke Matsuzaka is reality for this team, the Tommy John Twins are a necessity, not a luxury.

Bobby Valentine is fun to talk about, it’s an easy topic, but he’s almost insignificant in the big picture. The Valentine defenders love to bring up Earl Weaver and Billy Martin as fire and brimstone types who were able to shake up the clubhouse – tell it like it is – and succeed. Fine. But we know why it worked, right? Weaver had Jim Palmer and Mike Cuellar and Dave McNally and Pat Dobson and Brooks Robinson and Frank Robinson and Paul Blair and Boog Powell. Billy Martin had Ron Guidry and Catfish Hunter and Goose Gossage and Reggie Jackson and Thurman Munson and Graig Nettles and Willie Randolph. Both were great managers – Weaver is a Hall of Famer, and I think Martin should be – but like every other manager in history they needed elite, healthy talent to win. In 1971 Weaver won 101 games, in 1986 he won 73. Do I think he got dumber over a decade and a half? Nope. The ’71 Orioles had a team ERA of 2.99 – and four 20-game winners – and the ’86 team had a 4.40 ERA. It’s that simple. Terry Francona was the perfect guy at the perfect time for the 2004 Sox, but he didn’t become a genius overnight. The Phillies stunk (the 2000 Phillies, Francona’s final team, won 65 games and had a 4.77 ERA) and the Sox were loaded.

Pitching, pitching, pitching. It’s not as sexy as chicken and beer, or players vs. pitchers, or Lucchino vs. Theo, it’s just far more important. It’s the reason Terry Francona is working at ESPN and not 11 games into his ninth year as Sox manager, and it’s the reason Bobby Valentine isn’t working at ESPN and is 11 games into his first season as Sox manager. If Clay Buchholz stays healthy or John Lackey is merely lousy instead of historically awful the 2011 Red Sox make the playoffs and Bob Hohler’s out of luck.

Valentine may be able to keep his job longer if he makes nice with the players, but it’s a stay of execution and a stay of execution only his pitching staff doesn’t figure it out this season. I’d stop focusing on Valentine and start worrying about that bullpen.Give me a solid staff and bullpen over communication skills and relationships every day of the week. You can be John McGraw or Butch Hobson and it’s all the same when you have the worst pitching in baseball.

If you don’t believe me, ask Francona. Does anyone have his phone number?

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Re: 2012 Boston Red Sox Thread
« Reply #190 on: April 18, 2012, 05:23:38 PM »
I hope the Sox do well this season so I don't have to hear the "Red Sox Nation" bitching about how LFC is why they're playing like shit. Fucking massholes.

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Re: 2012 Boston Red Sox Thread
« Reply #191 on: April 18, 2012, 05:40:32 PM »
Jon Heyman has been banging that drum a few times, I believe.  Without seemingly having the faintest idea how contracts and transfers work in football.

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Re: 2012 Boston Red Sox Thread
« Reply #192 on: April 18, 2012, 06:23:58 PM »
I hope the Sox do well this season so I don't have to hear the "Red Sox Nation" bitching about how LFC is why they're playing like shit. Fucking massholes.

I love being called a fucking masshole, possibly because I occasionally find it hard to argue with the truth ;)
Living in the UK now, it's amazing how much lazy journalism emanates from the US on this very issue.  Just from the other day was an article in the New York Times about the Sox & Liverpool.  Tired crap, with a quote from some uni student who supports both as well as a few words from Dan Shaughnessy, who must be the most reviled sports writer in Boston (by a large margin).

Anyhow, yeah yesterday was a pile of shite, and I really hope I'll warm to Valentine.  Laughed/cried at El Camp's "Bobby Hodgson" nickname.
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Re: 2012 Boston Red Sox Thread
« Reply #193 on: April 18, 2012, 08:32:50 PM »
I wonder if Mark Melancon's wishing he'd stayed with the Astros.

It's too soon to panic but there's enough to be concerned about as far as our pitching's concerned (although it's not all bad news by any means). I saw someone yesterday saying that it'll be alright once Dice-K's back. I laughed.

Especially now that he has been sent to Pawtucket.

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2012/04/melancon_option.html

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Re: 2012 Boston Red Sox Thread
« Reply #194 on: April 18, 2012, 10:36:14 PM »
The Rangers-Red Sox game is, like last night, live on ESPN America at midnight for the UK and Ireland.

It'll almost certainly be a simulcast of ESPN's Wednesday Night Baseball coverage in the States, however, rather than NESN with Orsillo and Remy.

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Re: 2012 Boston Red Sox Thread
« Reply #195 on: April 18, 2012, 10:42:01 PM »
Turned down tickets to this one, it's gonna be cold and possibly wet tonight.

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Re: 2012 Boston Red Sox Thread
« Reply #196 on: April 18, 2012, 10:42:33 PM »
Rumours that the Red Sox might shunt Bard off Sunday's rotation spot and pitch Lester again.

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Re: 2012 Boston Red Sox Thread
« Reply #197 on: April 18, 2012, 10:51:20 PM »
Francona's changed his mind and will go to the Fenway 100th celebrations.

I trust that they'll be serving some good fried chicken and beer that day.
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« Reply #198 on: April 18, 2012, 10:54:58 PM »
Francona's changed his mind and will go to the Fenway 100th celebrations.

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