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Re: Kenny's wrong. Kenny's right.
« Reply #1280 on: February 11, 2012, 08:44:49 PM »
His biggest mistake was starting Downing over Bellamy.

You've got a big game player in Bellamy, who links well with Suarez, who works tirelessly for the team, in great form, who absolutely fucking revels "blood" matches like this and you leave him out for the biggest shithouse ever seen in a Liverpool shirt, in average form, who was bought to supply a player who was on the bench, who hides more than that hide and seek champion found dead in the closet, who doesnt work hard to help the full back and shrinks the minute he's realised he's up against a good full back.

Really unfathomably weird decision.

I'd be dropping Downing to the reserves for the rest of the season, then selling him in the summer. Shit house.

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Re: Kenny's wrong. Kenny's right.
« Reply #1281 on: February 11, 2012, 08:45:54 PM »
I'd rather see Aurelio play on left of midfield when Bellamy can't and not Downing

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« Reply #1282 on: February 11, 2012, 08:49:03 PM »
Should've been Carroll and Bellamy for Downing and Kuyt.

Should've pressed and played to win.

Should've made subs earlier.

Coulda woulda shoulda. Wrong tactics, wrong selection, and it's a worrying trend.
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Re: Kenny's wrong. Kenny's right.
« Reply #1283 on: February 11, 2012, 08:51:27 PM »
Should've been Carroll and Bellamy for Downing and Kuyt.

Should've pressed and played to win.

Should've made subs earlier.

Coulda woulda shoulda. Wrong tactics, wrong selection, and it's a worrying trend.

Is it?

Cant say there's been too much wrong with tactics and subs this season. Fucked up afew times but every manager does that.
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« Reply #1284 on: February 11, 2012, 09:00:59 PM »
Is it?

Cant say there's been too much wrong with tactics and subs this season. Fucked up afew times but every manager does that.

I dunno, to me I keep seeing the regression to drop-deep two banks of four, little attacking movement, and a lack of penetration. Bundle in his frankly baffling obsession with Downing and his continual dropping of players in good form (Carroll today for example), or picking teams seemingly scared of the opponent (Stoke) - and I notice a trend I don't like. He's Kenny, he knows it better than me, but I find myself scratching my head an awful lot with his selections.
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Re: Kenny's wrong. Kenny's right.
« Reply #1285 on: February 11, 2012, 09:09:18 PM »
The personnel isn't the biggest problem, it's the way the team has been instructed to get back into position and get the shape back.  Scholes had 15 yards of space every time he picked the ball up today because our midfielders had instruction to drop off him and fall back into position.

We invite teams on to us and when you have quick, technical players like Utd do, it's really asking for trouble.  Even more so when we have so little pace to break with.
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« Reply #1286 on: February 11, 2012, 09:14:00 PM »
The personnel isn't the biggest problem, it's the way the team has been instructed to get back into position and get the shape back.  Scholes had 15 yards of space every time he picked the ball up today because our midfielders had instruction to drop off him and fall back into position.

We invite teams on to us and when you have quick, technical players like Utd do, it's really asking for trouble.  Even more so when we have so little pace to break with.

The space Scholes was given today was fucking baffling to me. You'd have thought with us having three against their two in midfield we could've applied more pressure, but we just sat off and let Scholes and Carrick dictate play. United don't like to be attacked, and we played right into their hands today by sitting off them.

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Re: Kenny's wrong. Kenny's right.
« Reply #1287 on: February 11, 2012, 09:16:22 PM »
Fulham,Newcastle,Birmingham,Utd,City were great performances.

Chelsea was a good result but nothing different to us doing City at Etihad in cup.

Then it was balanced with West ham,Spurs,mind mind numbingly bad Braga games and a few others that I know happened but my head blanket out.


At the end of the day there's nothing wrong with idea because we are passing and moving, but the tempo is non existent and that's what's stopping us from being better.

Although much better than us, just look at Barca when they lack tempo, they're ineffective.

But this is where perspective comes in, I see us as now different to Spurs and City two years ago, and it's going to take time to get back up to the very top.


Also (not saying you BTW) of anyone is questioning Kennys role here, please have a word with yourselves.
It is not his role that people are questioning just some of the tactics and signings. Want to see an emphasis on technical ability. An ethos of playing quick-tempo football and a work-rate without the ball like we had under Rafa.
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Re: Kenny's wrong. Kenny's right.
« Reply #1288 on: February 11, 2012, 09:19:00 PM »
The space Scholes was given today was fucking baffling to me. You'd have thought with us having three against their two in midfield we could've applied more pressure, but we just sat off and let Scholes and Carrick dictate play. United don't like to be attacked, and we played right into their hands today by sitting off them.

Scholes didn't hurt us today. Let him have the ball but he did fuck all with it
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Re: Kenny's wrong. Kenny's right.
« Reply #1289 on: February 11, 2012, 09:28:23 PM »
Scholes didn't hurt us today. Let him have the ball but he did fuck all with it

He might not have played any killer passes but he had all the time and space he wanted to play the game at his pace.  If he had Spearing, Gerrard and Henderson all pressing him when he had the ball, it would've been a different story.  As it was, he could pop it to the fullbacks, stroll around, pick it up off the centrehalves, feed it into Rooney, etc.

Allowing a player like that to dictate the rhythm of the game isn't smart.
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Re: Kenny's wrong. Kenny's right.
« Reply #1290 on: February 11, 2012, 09:28:46 PM »
It is not his role that people are questioning just some of the tactics and signings. Want to see an emphasis on technical ability. An ethos of playing quick-tempo football and a work-rate without the ball like we had under Rafa.

Fair enough; wasn't saying you Btw though (don't think I've seen you question his role).

Without getting into a Rafa debate mind there were plenty of hapless no tempo matches under him (plus a lack of runners, too chess like IMO).
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« Reply #1291 on: February 11, 2012, 09:34:03 PM »
Scholes didn't hurt us today. Let him have the ball but he did fuck all with it

He's a 37 year old who sat out the first 1/2 of the season.  You have to at least try and put him to the test.  Obvy he's a great player but he sholuldn't be getting a free ride out on the pitch.

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« Reply #1292 on: February 11, 2012, 09:37:14 PM »
Fair enough; wasn't saying you Btw though (don't think I've seen you question his role).

Without getting into a Rafa debate mind there were plenty of hapless no tempo matches under him (plus a lack of runners, too chess like IMO).

If Rafa's teams had a lack of runners, then what do Kenny's teams have?

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« Reply #1293 on: February 11, 2012, 09:42:15 PM »
If Rafa's teams had a lack of runners, then what do Kenny's teams have?

Errm, more runners?  ???

When they feel like it of course.
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« Reply #1294 on: February 11, 2012, 09:53:09 PM »
When they feel like it of course.

Therein lines the issue - too many who don't feel like it or are being told not to.
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« Reply #1295 on: February 11, 2012, 09:55:06 PM »
Errm, more runners?  ???

When they feel like it of course.

They don't though. How many times this season have we said we need to get more men in the box? Normally, it's our striker in there, and that's about it.

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« Reply #1296 on: February 11, 2012, 10:27:57 PM »
Can't bring myself to pull apart kennys tactics today, he's had enough to deal with. We move on.
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« Reply #1297 on: February 11, 2012, 11:19:55 PM »
The Summer transfers arent a 'disaster'..

Enrique and Bellamy are good buys.

Henderson is a good buy too..

Adam for that price was a fine buy..

the only one who for now is not a success is Downing... but it's 'for now'..

If we're brutally honest, we have Enrique and we have Bellamy who are good enough to start every game. The rest of the money has bought us bench players. No leaders. There may be potential for the future and good signs, but we have bench players and not enough leaders.


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« Reply #1298 on: February 11, 2012, 11:48:06 PM »
Change the title Kenny is never wrong!
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« Reply #1299 on: February 11, 2012, 11:50:47 PM »
Can't bring myself to pull apart kennys tactics today, he's had enough to deal with. We move on.
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« Reply #1300 on: February 11, 2012, 11:55:12 PM »
Love Kenny to death.

But he got this game completely wrong. Should have played Carroll, Bellamy and Adam instead of Downing, Kuyt and Henderson.

Don't know why Downing was picked ahead of Bellamy who has been our best player for the last month.
Carroll is getting better and better and offers something up front, he drags defenders out of position and leaves holes for others to run into. He will always be a threat with his height. Kuyt just runs.
Henderson tried to play in front of Gerrard behind a striker but isn't gerrard and doesnt have the skills for it...yet.

Biggest game of the season and he put a sub par team on the pitch. Got it wrong.
He has been getting it right more often then not though. So on to the next match...
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« Reply #1301 on: February 12, 2012, 12:37:09 AM »
Love Kenny to death.

But he got this game completely wrong. Should have played Carroll, Bellamy and Adam instead of Downing, Kuyt and Henderson.

Don't know why Downing was picked ahead of Bellamy who has been our best player for the last month.
Carroll is getting better and better and offers something up front, he drags defenders out of position and leaves holes for others to run into. He will always be a threat with his height. Kuyt just runs.
Henderson tried to play in front of Gerrard behind a striker but isn't gerrard and doesnt have the skills for it...yet.

Biggest game of the season and he put a sub par team on the pitch. Got it wrong.
He has been getting it right more often then not though. So on to the next match...


No offence but people who start with love Kenny to bits normally post some shit comments and you did not go against this trend!
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« Reply #1303 on: February 12, 2012, 01:13:56 AM »
What annoys me is that sometimes our passage of play, the pass and move philosophy when we are on the front foot is excellent, we just dont get on the front foot enough imo.
sometimes we are just to organised, it seemed at the back end of last season we set out to get at teams and score 3, dont get that feeling this season.
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« Reply #1304 on: February 12, 2012, 04:20:32 AM »
Spearing was out of his depth...we did alright to stifle them at first, but he clearly didn't know who to pick up and who to track.  United realized this and overloaded people in his area.  He couldn't cope and could not find a pass when they were clearly trying to force him into mistakes.  Kenny should have moved someone back there to assist him with picking up the space or moved someone more comfortable there.  If we weren't going to actually try and press them and actually play, then there wasn't any reason to not have a double pivot back there.  Cause Gerrard and Henderson certainly weren't closing anyone down or even looking like they gave two shits for large portions of the game.  Sure, Gerrard sprinted back for his last ditch type tackles, but the man has no positional awareness when he's moving with the team on defense.  And no amount of running back when the guy is already in the box taking a shot is going to make up for that. 

Decent not to concede in the first half, but not happy about Kennys reluctance to make a tactical change...or to close United down.  Would have rathered us go down fighting rather than standing off and looking dreadful.
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« Reply #1305 on: February 12, 2012, 04:25:15 AM »
Kinda makes me chuckle when people complained about our boring defensive football under RAFA.

I absolutely detest with a passion the way we play without the ball. The default when the opposition has the ball is to drop 10 yards, let them knock it around as much as they please, until faced with enough pressure whereby we have to then make tackles. It's a deplorable way for this club to set up with that much respect to any opposition.

It's no difference in any shape or form at the moment to how Hodgson had us set up without the ball. Drop deep, retain a nice neat line of 4 or 5, and make yourself really hard to break down. I'm certainly not arguing its not effective if you don't want to concede any goals, but hear me out.

Some of you may recall a UEFA Cup game against Utrecht last year at home? It was sickening to watch, their back 4 pass it around in complete and utter comfort, like fucking tourists in complete luxury.

And this is where I draw comparisons with previous managers. Under Rafa, yes we were hard to beat at our best. Yes we were solid, but there was a distinct difference in our approach to pressing the opposition. Without the ball we didn't sit off and concede huge areas of the pitch, we pressed "as a unit" , with players squeezing their "zones". It forces mistakes, it's sets a tempo, it says we will controll this game and you won't be comfortable doing what the fuck you like, especially at Anfield. It's no coincidence his Valencia team was called the Crushing Machine.

Now don't get me wrong. We had our off days back then, who didn't. But you saw a style of play, a character to the team, a consistent Liverpool you knew what was on the packet every week.

But I don't see it with this side. I don't see pro-active players. I see a passive team, one that will allow teams lots of possession. We have saw it too many times at Anfield this season. Norwich , Swansea, Sunderland, Blackburn enjoying large periods of possession. These are teams who are begging for that type of treatment, to be squeezed into making mistakes, to make this sure this isn't a cosy fucking day out for them, for them to be scared to play us.

And that's what I want from my Liverpool side, especially at home. High Tempo from the off , squeezing space, pressuring , quick
passing, good movement. When you play small teams with that mentality they will eventually crumble, they will lose their confidence, hoof balls out and lose their concentration.

Going back to today's game. It was the total opposite and it's heartbreaking to watch. They had two pensioners in midfield who had the space offered to them to do whatever they liked. Paul Scholes is an absolute liability when harried into quick passes and so is Giggs, but our tactics to drop deep screw it all up.

I just hope we change this as it fuckin grates on me. If you give teams written invitations to come on to you and do what the fuck they like. Even a dog shit Man Utd will make you pay for it, as will all the other shit teams we allow to do it.
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« Reply #1306 on: February 12, 2012, 04:28:39 AM »
downing seriously should not be starting over anyone on our bench, playing spearing hendo gerrard is bad, needs to be either spearing adam gerrard (preferably hendo on right for downing) or get rid of spearing all together!

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« Reply #1307 on: February 12, 2012, 04:42:32 AM »
The lack of movement in our midfield is shocking. No one really gets forward, no one really tracks back. And nearly all our width comes from the fullbacks, who can beat players but have poor delivery.

I actually think that playing direct football is the best way to play with our current personnel.
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« Reply #1308 on: February 12, 2012, 04:46:56 AM »
If I agree with Kenny he is right.

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« Reply #1309 on: February 12, 2012, 04:52:28 AM »
Don't blame kenny at all for yesterdays result, Unless people think he told the players not to be assed, not to show fight, not to turn up etc

The players clearly fuckin' let him down, gerrard was fuckin' strolling most of the time, Downing didn't look like he give a shit etc

Oh and The reason why kuyt started was because he has been on good form recently, scoring a few goals, working hard for the team etc same with henderson etc, the only thing I didn't like is downing starting ahead of bellamy, but then again bellamy would have started if he had a pair of new knee's.

Gerrard, henderson and downing all occupy Important positions, and every one of them played like shit. It's no wonder why we lost and got dominated in the midfield.

I hope kenny learns his lesson though and just forgets about downing.

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« Reply #1310 on: February 12, 2012, 04:54:15 AM »
Love Kenny to death.

But he got this game completely wrong. Should have played Carroll, Bellamy and Adam instead of Downing, Kuyt and Henderson.

Would that be the kuyt and henderson who have been performing fantastically the last few weeks? Downing I agree with, But kuyt and henderson have been playing well IMO the last few matches (against city, united etc) so i can't really blame kenny for picking them.
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« Reply #1311 on: February 12, 2012, 05:02:43 AM »


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« Reply #1312 on: February 12, 2012, 05:09:21 AM »
Don't blame kenny at all for yesterdays result, Unless people think he told the players not to be assed, not to show fight, not to turn up etc

The players clearly fuckin' let him down, gerrard was fuckin' strolling most of the time, Downing didn't look like he give a shit etc
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« Reply #1313 on: February 12, 2012, 05:21:32 AM »
Well I thought Kenny got it wrong this time.

I feel Carroll should have started. Carroll was fantastic against the Mnacs in the FA cup and I think we could have caused them a lot more problems with him up front and Suarez coming off the right. It would have caused problems for De Gea at set pieces and opportunities for knock downs to Suarez. It would have given us an out ball when pressured in defence and though maybe not the most attractive style of football when you go to Stanford Bridge you do what ever gets you points.

I think we should have had better support for Enrique on the left. Downing doesn't help out and it seemed like Enrique was left really isolated. I would have much preferred Bellamy or even Kuyt.

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« Reply #1314 on: February 12, 2012, 05:46:34 AM »
Players are not performing..... Kenny picked a team which on paper looked sublime, a lot before the game thought the team had enough quality to beat or at least perform to an extent against manu. Against  spurs Adam was invisible, therefore he was dropped then we feel our midfield is all invisible now, we get him in and and he gives a fair enough performance but now i'll assure you next game he'll get the nod and he'll under perform, I am only using Charlie as an example but all of our players bar Skrtel, Agger, Gerrard, Suarez and Bellamy are inconsistent making it hard for the manager to pick the right team.

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« Reply #1315 on: February 12, 2012, 06:06:04 AM »
Kinda makes me chuckle when people complained about our boring defensive football under RAFA.

I absolutely detest with a passion the way we play without the ball. The default when the opposition has the ball is to drop 10 yards, let them knock it around as much as they please, until faced with enough pressure whereby we have to then make tackles. It's a deplorable way for this club to set up with that much respect to any opposition.

It's no difference in any shape or form at the moment to how Hodgson had us set up without the ball. Drop deep, retain a nice neat line of 4 or 5, and make yourself really hard to break down. I'm certainly not arguing its not effective if you don't want to concede any goals, but hear me out.

Some of you may recall a UEFA Cup game against Utrecht last year at home? It was sickening to watch, their back 4 pass it around in complete and utter comfort, like fucking tourists in complete luxury.

And this is where I draw comparisons with previous managers. Under Rafa, yes we were hard to beat at our best. Yes we were solid, but there was a distinct difference in our approach to pressing the opposition. Without the ball we didn't sit off and concede huge areas of the pitch, we pressed "as a unit" , with players squeezing their "zones". It forces mistakes, it's sets a tempo, it says we will controll this game and you won't be comfortable doing what the fuck you like, especially at Anfield. It's no coincidence his Valencia team was called the Crushing Machine.

Now don't get me wrong. We had our off days back then, who didn't. But you saw a style of play, a character to the team, a consistent Liverpool you knew what was on the packet every week.

But I don't see it with this side. I don't see pro-active players. I see a passive team, one that will allow teams lots of possession. We have saw it too many times at Anfield this season. Norwich , Swansea, Sunderland, Blackburn enjoying large periods of possession. These are teams who are begging for that type of treatment, to be squeezed into making mistakes, to make this sure this isn't a cosy fucking day out for them, for them to be scared to play us.

And that's what I want from my Liverpool side, especially at home. High Tempo from the off , squeezing space, pressuring , quick
passing, good movement. When you play small teams with that mentality they will eventually crumble, they will lose their confidence, hoof balls out and lose their concentration.

Going back to today's game. It was the total opposite and it's heartbreaking to watch. They had two pensioners in midfield who had the space offered to them to do whatever they liked. Paul Scholes is an absolute liability when harried into quick passes and so is Giggs, but our tactics to drop deep screw it all up.

I just hope we change this as it fuckin grates on me. If you give teams written invitations to come on to you and do what the fuck they like. Even a dog shit Man Utd will make you pay for it, as will all the other shit teams we allow to do it.
love Kenny but I'll wait to see if we win anything this season before I turn my eye to picking apart our playing style.
I will say though while I love expansive football I like it when players press when they don't have the ball. In the modern game a teams best chance of scoring is when the opposition is out of position and I think this happens most when a team presses.
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« Reply #1316 on: February 12, 2012, 06:12:37 AM »
Players are not performing..... Kenny picked a team which on paper looked sublime, a lot before the game thought the team had enough quality to beat or at least perform to an extent against manu. Against  spurs Adam was invisible, therefore he was dropped then we feel our midfield is all invisible now, we get him in and and he gives a fair enough performance but now i'll assure you next game he'll get the nod and he'll under perform, I am only using Charlie as an example but all of our players bar Skrtel, Agger, Gerrard, Suarez and Bellamy are inconsistent making it hard for the manager to pick the right team.

I can except Henderson playing over Adam it was;
Downing chosen over Bellamy
Kuyt over Carroll

These were the ones I couldn't fathom. I don't think they can be explained by form either. Perhaps rotation but I'd suggest the overwhelming majority wanted Carroll & Bellamy in the starting lineup.
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Re: Kenny's wrong. Kenny's right.
« Reply #1317 on: February 12, 2012, 06:15:37 AM »
Kinda makes me chuckle when people complained about our boring defensive football under RAFA.

I absolutely detest with a passion the way we play without the ball. The default when the opposition has the ball is to drop 10 yards, let them knock it around as much as they please, until faced with enough pressure whereby we have to then make tackles. It's a deplorable way for this club to set up with that much respect to any opposition.

It's no difference in any shape or form at the moment to how Hodgson had us set up without the ball. Drop deep, retain a nice neat line of 4 or 5, and make yourself really hard to break down. I'm certainly not arguing its not effective if you don't want to concede any goals, but hear me out.

Some of you may recall a UEFA Cup game against Utrecht last year at home? It was sickening to watch, their back 4 pass it around in complete and utter comfort, like fucking tourists in complete luxury.

And this is where I draw comparisons with previous managers. Under Rafa, yes we were hard to beat at our best. Yes we were solid, but there was a distinct difference in our approach to pressing the opposition. Without the ball we didn't sit off and concede huge areas of the pitch, we pressed "as a unit" , with players squeezing their "zones". It forces mistakes, it's sets a tempo, it says we will controll this game and you won't be comfortable doing what the fuck you like, especially at Anfield. It's no coincidence his Valencia team was called the Crushing Machine.

Now don't get me wrong. We had our off days back then, who didn't. But you saw a style of play, a character to the team, a consistent Liverpool you knew what was on the packet every week.

But I don't see it with this side. I don't see pro-active players. I see a passive team, one that will allow teams lots of possession. We have saw it too many times at Anfield this season. Norwich , Swansea, Sunderland, Blackburn enjoying large periods of possession. These are teams who are begging for that type of treatment, to be squeezed into making mistakes, to make this sure this isn't a cosy fucking day out for them, for them to be scared to play us.

And that's what I want from my Liverpool side, especially at home. High Tempo from the off , squeezing space, pressuring , quick
passing, good movement. When you play small teams with that mentality they will eventually crumble, they will lose their confidence, hoof balls out and lose their concentration.

Going back to today's game. It was the total opposite and it's heartbreaking to watch. They had two pensioners in midfield who had the space offered to them to do whatever they liked. Paul Scholes is an absolute liability when harried into quick passes and so is Giggs, but our tactics to drop deep screw it all up.

I just hope we change this as it fuckin grates on me. If you give teams written invitations to come on to you and do what the fuck they like. Even a dog shit Man Utd will make you pay for it, as will all the other shit teams we allow to do it.
+1 often brought up during the Hodgson regime we conceded too much space in midfield. Our reliance on Lucas as the sole player in midfield who tackles and presses was bound to cause problems when he is not in the team. Press as a unit. Yesterday we conceded vast parts of the middle of the pitch and let two 36+-year-olds run the roost. It was painful to watch. I don't know how this can be rectified, the natural inclination of our midfield Lucas/Spearing aside is to coast (even Kuyt hard-working as he is, is not his former self). We can't keep relying on Lucas to do ALL the pressing for the team.
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Re: Kenny's wrong. Kenny's right.
« Reply #1318 on: February 12, 2012, 06:37:37 AM »
Kinda makes me chuckle when people complained about our boring defensive football under RAFA.

I absolutely detest with a passion the way we play without the ball. The default when the opposition has the ball is to drop 10 yards, let them knock it around as much as they please, until faced with enough pressure whereby we have to then make tackles. It's a deplorable way for this club to set up with that much respect to any opposition.

It's no difference in any shape or form at the moment to how Hodgson had us set up without the ball. Drop deep, retain a nice neat line of 4 or 5, and make yourself really hard to break down. I'm certainly not arguing its not effective if you don't want to concede any goals, but hear me out.

Some of you may recall a UEFA Cup game against Utrecht last year at home? It was sickening to watch, their back 4 pass it around in complete and utter comfort, like fucking tourists in complete luxury.

And this is where I draw comparisons with previous managers. Under Rafa, yes we were hard to beat at our best. Yes we were solid, but there was a distinct difference in our approach to pressing the opposition. Without the ball we didn't sit off and concede huge areas of the pitch, we pressed "as a unit" , with players squeezing their "zones". It forces mistakes, it's sets a tempo, it says we will controll this game and you won't be comfortable doing what the fuck you like, especially at Anfield. It's no coincidence his Valencia team was called the Crushing Machine.

Now don't get me wrong. We had our off days back then, who didn't. But you saw a style of play, a character to the team, a consistent Liverpool you knew what was on the packet every week.

But I don't see it with this side. I don't see pro-active players. I see a passive team, one that will allow teams lots of possession. We have saw it too many times at Anfield this season. Norwich , Swansea, Sunderland, Blackburn enjoying large periods of possession. These are teams who are begging for that type of treatment, to be squeezed into making mistakes, to make this sure this isn't a cosy fucking day out for them, for them to be scared to play us.

And that's what I want from my Liverpool side, especially at home. High Tempo from the off , squeezing space, pressuring , quick
passing, good movement. When you play small teams with that mentality they will eventually crumble, they will lose their confidence, hoof balls out and lose their concentration.

Going back to today's game. It was the total opposite and it's heartbreaking to watch. They had two pensioners in midfield who had the space offered to them to do whatever they liked. Paul Scholes is an absolute liability when harried into quick passes and so is Giggs, but our tactics to drop deep screw it all up.

I just hope we change this as it fuckin grates on me. If you give teams written invitations to come on to you and do what the fuck they like. Even a dog shit Man Utd will make you pay for it, as will all the other shit teams we allow to do it.

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« Reply #1319 on: February 12, 2012, 06:41:49 AM »
Players are not performing..... Kenny picked a team which on paper looked sublime, a lot before the game thought the team had enough quality to beat or at least perform to an extent against manu. Against  spurs Adam was invisible, therefore he was dropped then we feel our midfield is all invisible now, we get him in and and he gives a fair enough performance but now i'll assure you next game he'll get the nod and he'll under perform, I am only using Charlie as an example but all of our players bar Skrtel, Agger, Gerrard, Suarez and Bellamy are inconsistent making it hard for the manager to pick the right team.

The problem is that the way he is playing for almost the whole season, you can be assured that Downing will offer no threat at all to the other side. So why play him in such an important match? After all, Dallgish could have played Rodriguez or even Aurelio and they would have at least offered some threat. Why stick with him when he has hidden for almost the whole season? This is just one of the many poor decisions that are being made by Dalglish this season and he shows no sign of learning from it.