Become more of a FSG ownership thread eh?
Seems to be a disconnect here between those who think what FSG did was good management and those that er dont.
For those who are defending FSG I'm struggling with how FSG are qualified to make the decision on Kenny? Dont get me wrong league results have been rubbish but that doesn't mean performances have been rubbish. It does not mean there was no progress. Do FSG understand the difference or are we saying going forward progress can only be measured by results because thats all they understand? If so that sets a terrible precedent.
We lost 1 cup game out of what 14? But even winning both domestic cups would not have been enough to keep his job. The most sucessful premiership manager Ferguson won nothing for his first 4 years finishing below mid table twice, at the richest club, with the biggest wage bill, breaking transfer records. He only kept his job at that time by virtue of winning the FA cup.
Whoever comes in could be a 'sucesss' but we will never now know whether Kenny would have been a success. The decision cannot ever be justified because we'll never know. Kenny's been in post less than 18 months, he currently knows what has worked what has not and what needs fixing better than FSG but he's now gone.
The issue is not Kenny's league results it is what his sacking means. Kenny was trusted by the fans, he may have made mistakes but we knew those mistakes were genuine. He's walked away from a handout I'm told, 8 million quid and asked them to put it in the transfer kitty. £8m. Compare that with Hodgson who walked a way with a mint for 6 months mismamagement who blamed everybody but himself, who gave nothing to this football club.
We had someone in place we could trust. Thats as rare as rocking horse shit in football. They've made that decision based on what? What knowledge of football, what knowledge of how a team is assembled. The Chelsea and City models throw money at it til it works? That only works when you have unlimited options, unlimited ability to make mistakes and even then it takes years with unlimited funds.
I'd like to be told on what footballing basis the decision was made. Who advised them football people, Liverpool people, accountants?
It seems clear FSG always wanted a young, vibrant manager - a PR dream to reflect an image, no some auld git in an oversized anorak with disheveled hair. Kenny aint that marketable. They want a plug in manager that can be moved on if unsuccessful because he just conforms with a 'style' of play - he'll be there to coach the players little else. The one club in the Prem above all others where the manager is supposed to be a fan, part of the crowd, one of us, is Liverpool FC. That is a fundamental part of the equation - the holy trinity - fans- players-manager. There is no better trinity available than with Dalglish. But with his dismisal they've said that doesn't matter. So they've broken one of the great strengths of the club without even understanding what they've done.
FSG have in the past said they'd like it to be a square - with them forming the fourth side - the whole point though is that its a mutual relationship of trust and respect - you can't fuck one side of it and then pretend it doesn't matter because here's a brand new squeaky more marketable side for you all to play with. Well you can but you're only fooling the half wits who believe you or who didn't understand it in the first place.
I think what is so upsetting to so many is FSG dont appear to care or understand - they now think its the FSG way. Its no surprise. Its modern football, its capitalism writ large.
How does this translate to the game at Fenway - I'm not sure - you can't give unbridled passion to someone you dont trust, you can't have faith in owners that will sell out to marketing and PR - without it we are just another football club and another football team with plastic fans waving plastic flags.
apologies if this is the wrong thread for this - carry on - looking forward to seeing those shiny plastic flags being waved at Fenway.