Topic: Gerrard signs new LFC contract

[thereader]

.. and this is wrong. He had it, but he lost it cause he was shite despite being talked up by our senior local players and ex players and the press. In addition he was allowed to rebuild the squad to his liking so how was there no support from the club?

Funny, considering how plenty of people to this day say that he was never wanted and shouldn't have been appointed.  He clearly didn't fit at the club and was taking over from a very popular man in Rafa, I've never been as critical about Liverpool fans over the Roy Hodgson stuff as most other fans are, but it's clear he was on the backfoot from the start and I remember from reading that his head was being called for by September.  Considering Purslow was trying to control everything and the limited funds caused by H&G's management I don't see how you can think he was allowed to rebuild the squad to his liking either.  For all the Poulsen and Konchesky fuss he would probably have set his sights higher with better funds. 

Having said all that, he wasn't the man for Liverpool.  Doesn't make him the worst manager to have ever graced the game either.
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[andspecks]

Did he not say kind words about Kenny leaving? not 100% sure but i can't remember him saying same about Rafa i could be mistaken.

Yes. He did. For the 5000th time he did.

"Of course it's always sad to see a manager go. We had some fantastic times under Rafa. He brought the European Cup back here, we won the FA Cup, and got to another European Cup final. We also finished second in the league. We came close to winning it that year; a couple of stupid results at home stopped us doing it. I think Rafa did a fantastic job at the club."

From the official LFC magazine.

[andspecks]

I've nothing against you sticking up for Gerrard. In fact, I wholeheartedly approve. However, don't pretend that he's never looked disgusted at some players getting subbed on or off or refused to pass to some players because he doesn't rate them or demand the ball off players he doesn't rate because he doesn't trust them. It's obvious.

So how do you feel when Suarez does the same?

[Andy @ Allerton]

Oh dear.

[Andy @ Allerton]

So how do you feel when Suarez does the same?

I think it's quite obvious since I've spent all my time on RAWK saying that it's a team game and the team is far more important than  any individual could possibly be. Look through all my posts if you like.

Team = everything.

Individuals = nothing

We need to be a team. Full stop.

[andspecks]

I think it's quite obvious since I've spent all my time on RAWK saying that it's a team game and the team is far more important than  any individual could possibly be. Look through all my posts if you like.

Team = everything.

Individuals = nothing

We need to be a team. Full stop.

Yes and I agree, but you aren't on the Suarez threads giving him endless amounts of stick for not trusting his teammates are you?

[Andy @ Allerton]

Yes and I agree, but you aren't on the Suarez threads giving him endless amounts of stick for not trusting his teammates are you?

If he keeps doing it - keep watching my posts.

All the shite that's gone on the last few years I'm fucked off with the whole thing to be honest.

[Ikki.Fenikkusu]

Look. He's been rubbish this season. Stop making stuff up. The whole team hasn't been up to scratch - hence our finishing 8th. Gerrard hasn't helped with that at all. In fact, our league form since he's returned has been worse than ever. We were decent before he came back and afterward we have been crap in the league. You can pretend otherwise all you like mate but thems the facts.

Again, relative. Gerrard shit? Then what about half the team? As I said, one can criticise Gerrard, but he was rarely (maybe in one game) the worst player on the pitch to be so definitive of a factor in us losing so many games.

The truth is that when he came back there were also injuries to Lucas, Agger, Johnson, Adam and players turned to crap like Pepe and Enrique.

As I said, if Gerrard is so responsible when we lose; then you should be giving him even more credit when we win. It's ironic to me how the fans that criticise him tend to also take performances like Istanbul or Cardiff and turn them into team performances too. No doubt, no one wins without his teammates helping but some matches, especially big ones, we were basically carried by Gerrard. The revisionism is shameless. The current blinkered view on his game just as much.

[Andy @ Allerton]

Again, relative. Gerrard shit? Then what about half the team? As I said, one can criticise Gerrard, but he was rarely (maybe in one game) the worst player on the pitch to be so definitive of a factor in us losing so many games.

The truth is that when he came back there were also injuries to Lucas, Agger, Johnson, Adam and players turned to crap like Pepe and Enrique.

As I said, if Gerrard is so responsible when we lose; then you should be giving him even more credit when we win. It's ironic to me how the fans that criticise him tend to also take performances like Istanbul or Cardiff and turn them into team performances too. No doubt, no one wins without his teammates helping but some matches, especially big ones, we were basically carried by Gerrard. The revisionism is shameless. The current blinkered view on his game just as much.

They are team performances. Football is a team game. You can have a player playing out of his skin and changing a game but ultimately his team mates have to provide a platform for that to happen. Goalkeepers still have to save and distribute, defenders have to defend, midfielders have to control, attackers have to attack.

And the only reason he gets stick is that he gets held up as the best player on Earth even in games where he's performed poorly. When you have people that refuse to believe he's not World Class (TM) in every game then you get people going the other way to point out deficiencies. There are people on this site that honestly believe that he's never had a bad game in his life, is the lifeblood of LFC and the club couldn't survive without him.

[-Q-]

They are team performances. Football is a team game. You can have a player playing out of his skin and changing a game but ultimately his team mates have to provide a platform for that to happen. Goalkeepers still have to save and distribute, defenders have to defend, midfielders have to control, attackers have to attack.

And the only reason he gets stick is that he gets held up as the best player on Earth even in games where he's performed poorly. When you have people that refuse to believe he's not World Class (TM) in every game then you get people going the other way to point out deficiencies. There are people on this site that honestly believe that he's never had a bad game in his life, is the lifeblood of LFC and the club couldn't survive without him.

And there is your answer about why Gerrard has not been as brilliant as he used to be once Alonso, Masherano, Torres left and we kept replacing the few players close to Gerrard level with less able. Had we kept those players and kept introducing young talent gradually, with replacing the poor players like our wingers with better players you would have seen Gerrard at his best (especially if he had not have to play injured to help his team). Look at Reina's performances, he also in the past three years has been on decline and this year was pretty poor and cost us a lot of goals. The rest of your post is a whine that you just can't resist without making any point there so I will ignore it.

[Wirral1]

And there is your answer about why Gerrard has not been as brilliant as he used to be once Alonso, Masherano, Torres left and we kept replacing the few players close to Gerrard level with less able. Had we kept those players and kept introducing young talent gradually, with replacing the poor players like our wingers with better players you would have seen Gerrard at his best (especially if he had not have to play injured to help his team). Look at Reina's performances, he also in the past three years has been on decline and this year was pretty poor and cost us a lot of goals. The rest of your post is a whine that you just can't resist without making any point there so I will ignore it.

season 2010-2011...10 players + Gerrard = 1.40 points per game. Same 10 players + A.N Other = 1.67 points per game.

season 2011-2012...10 players + Gerrard = 0.92 points per game. Same 10 players + A.N.Other = 1.58 points per game.

season 2011-2012, After Lucas' injury, 10 players + Gerrard = 0.9 points per game. Same 10 players + A.N Other = 1.33 points per game

Please explain, using logic consistent with the data above, for the benefit of we simple fans;

1. How are the 10 players responsible for the lack of points ?

2. Why people who criticise Gerrard are just whiners?

No need for a 500 word essay...I'd just like to understand your thought processes, maybe it's me that's in the wrong.....thanks

[-Q-]

1:Where have I said that people who criticise Gerrard are whiners?
2:Show me how you got those numbers and then I can address it.
3:Why don't you respond with your other username Andy?

season 2010-2011...10 players + Gerrard = 1.40 points per game. Same 10 players + A.N Other = 1.67 points per game.

season 2011-2012...10 players + Gerrard = 0.92 points per game. Same 10 players + A.N.Other = 1.58 points per game.

season 2011-2012, After Lucas' injury, 10 players + Gerrard = 0.9 points per game. Same 10 players + A.N Other = 1.33 points per game

Please explain, using logic consistent with the data above, for the benefit of we simple fans;

1. How are the 10 players responsible for the lack of points ?

2. Why people who criticise Gerrard are just whiners?

No need for a 500 word essay...I'd just like to understand your thought processes, maybe it's me that's in the wrong.....thanks

[Fromola]

According to Steven 'Patrick Barclay' Gerrard in an interview before the match yesterday, Hodgson only failed at Liverpool because the fans wouldn't give him a chance because they wanted their King Kenny, so no manager would have had a chance at that time.

Nice of him to just make stuff up to make us look bad. Cheers Stevie.

[Cpt_Reina]

According to Steven 'Patrick Barclay' Gerrard in an interview before the match yesterday, Hodgson only failed at Liverpool because the fans wouldn't give him a chance because they wanted their King Kenny, so no manager would have had a chance at that time.

Nice of him to just make stuff up to make us look bad. Cheers Stevie.

Would've been nice if he'd have been half as supportive to Rafa as he has been of Roy.

But then, what did Rafa ever do for Stevie.

[steveeastend]

According to Steven 'Patrick Barclay' Gerrard in an interview before the match yesterday, Hodgson only failed at Liverpool because the fans wouldn't give him a chance because they wanted their King Kenny, so no manager would have had a chance at that time.

Nice of him to just make stuff up to make us look bad. Cheers Stevie.

You´re joking? He really said that? It wouldn´t suprise me though..

[bornandbRED]

If true, that's a bad showing from Stevie.

[andspecks]

He's not placing the blame on the fans. He's pointing out that it as a hard time for Roy to come in as manager with the circumstances that he did. Roy's his manager now, and he's Roy's captain. He's expected to back up the manager. He said this months ago and nobody seemed to care then, but since the thread is in the we don't like Stevie phase again of course there will be a big deal made.

[-Q-]

According to Steven 'Patrick Barclay' Gerrard in an interview before the match yesterday, Hodgson only failed at Liverpool because the fans wouldn't give him a chance because they wanted their King Kenny, so no manager would have had a chance at that time.

Nice of him to just make stuff up to make us look bad. Cheers Stevie.

I really doubt he said this. You are twisting it for some bizare agenda you have.

[Matt8Pie]

According to Steven 'Patrick Barclay' Gerrard in an interview before the match yesterday, Hodgson only failed at Liverpool because the fans wouldn't give him a chance because they wanted their King Kenny, so no manager would have had a chance at that time.

Nice of him to just make stuff up to make us look bad. Cheers Stevie.

Now I think Gerrard's a gobshite, but I thought he said it was because of the turmoil at the club that nobody would have succeeded. Are you 100% sure that's what he said?

[-Q-]

Would've been nice if he'd have been half as supportive to Rafa as he has been of Roy.

But then, what did Rafa ever do for Stevie.

He was supportive in many interviews, he never said anything negative about Rafa.

[Shauno]

What a drama out of nothing.   

Some 'fans' need to sort their heads out and stop overreacting to every little thing.

[Hazell]

Gerrard said it in the ITV programme yesterday, prior to the England game.

Here's a quick summation:

http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=293962.msg10396640#msg10396640

[rako]

What did you expect him to say about Roy? "Well he's a shit coach and he hasn't got my support" of course not. As captain and before a big tournment he's gotta say the right things

[LF]

Gerrard said it in the ITV programme yesterday, prior to the England game.

Here's a quick summation:

http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=293962.msg10396640#msg10396640

what did he say? dont tell us what you thought he implied

I tried looking for the interview on ITV but its not available in my country...

[steveeastend]

He was supportive in many interviews, he never said anything negative about Rafa.

He always pointed out after Rafa that it´s better to move on and sometimes a change has to be made. Pretty different to this praising of poor Roy, who got no chance from the fans...

What a load of bullshite..

[Hazell]

what did he say? dont tell us what you thought he implied

I tried looking for the interview on ITV but its not available in my country...

'What I thought he implied'? That link has posts from yesterday, directly after he said it, that's all.

I can't remember what he said verbatim but I think it was something like it was difficult for Hodgson because the fans wanted Kenny.

[steveeastend]

It was difficult for Roy because he had to "get it right" and clear the mess Rafa left. Loaning Insua, bringing in Kochensky, trying to sell Lucas, bringing in Joe Cole, playing Gerrard in his favourite position... stuff like that. He did a sterling job and a couple of month later we had less possession in a home game than Wolves. That´s why he was sacked, cause he almost destroyed the football side of this club and it was far too late, with Kenny coming in earlier there would have still been a chance for making it 4th. The first mistake of NESV...

[buzzing]

They are team performances. Football is a team game. You can have a player playing out of his skin and changing a game but ultimately his team mates have to provide a platform for that to happen. Goalkeepers still have to save and distribute, defenders have to defend, midfielders have to control, attackers have to attack.

And the only reason he gets stick is that he gets held up as the best player on Earth even in games where he's performed poorly. When you have people that refuse to believe he's not World Class (TM) in every game then you get people going the other way to point out deficiencies. There are people on this site that honestly believe that he's never had a bad game in his life, is the lifeblood of LFC and the club couldn't survive without him.

Re: Gerrard

Kenny needs to take some blame for that.and by losing his job he has taken the biggest part of the blame - Gerrard should not have played in the middle. He should have gone on the right and Henderson on the middle...we may have even seen Carroll grab a few more had that happened

[LF]

'What I thought he implied'? That link has posts from yesterday, directly after he said it, that's all.

I can't remember what he said verbatim but I think it was something like it was difficult for Hodgson because the fans wanted Kenny.

I just want the direct quotes. the posts there were worded like "what he essentially said" etc etc. 

[LF]

Re: Gerrard
Gerrard should not have played in the middle.

naa you cant blame anyone but Gerrard for that. he bullied KK into it dontcha know? just like he bullied roy and rafa before him...what an absolute c*nt. We need someone who can stand up to Steven Gerrard M.B.E.. not lightweights who suck his dick

/sarcasm

 

[Hazell]

I just want the direct quotes. the posts there were worded like "what he essentially said" etc etc. 

I haven't got quotes, but that's pretty much what he said. If that's not good enough, try looking on Google.

[andspecks]

He always pointed out after Rafa that it´s better to move on and sometimes a change has to be made. Pretty different to this praising of poor Roy, who got no chance from the fans...

What a load of bullshite..

He could hardly say sometimes you need a change when the manager's only been there a couple months.

Stevie wasn't blaming the fans for Roy's demise either.

[Wirral1]

1:Where have I said that people who criticise Gerrard are whiners?
2:Show me how you got those numbers and then I can address it.
3:Why don't you respond with your other username Andy?

1. Read your quote in my post to find the word 'whine' being applied to a critic of Gerrard.
2. I got all the resullts and starting elevens for the last two seasons from www.lfcstats.co.uk and totted up.
3. Why does me giving you the bare figures change my name to 'Andy' ?
4. Why didn't you answer the question ?

[Nin]

According to Steven 'Patrick Barclay' Gerrard in an interview before the match yesterday, Hodgson only failed at Liverpool because the fans wouldn't give him a chance because they wanted their King Kenny, so no manager would have had a chance at that time.

Nice of him to just make stuff up to make us look bad. Cheers Stevie.

30 secs in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezmKsuCK2wk

I like Gerrard but he should keep these kind of comments to himself.

[farawayred]

He's between a rock and a hard place, being club and country captain playing under his country manager who failed as his club manager. But still, he should VERY careful to select his words or risk falling from grace. Pity that he's the best player after the King himself, but he doesn't have half of his wit.

Maybe it's time for the new manager to choose another captain. I know what Stevie means for the club and what the club means to him, but it can spur everyone on. Gerrard may realize that he should give up on England and his influence, which along with Carra's, is becoming too destructive for the unity at the club. All this is only my angle, of course.

[.adam]

The more I see Gerrard playing in this deep-lying playmaker role with the odd appearance in the opposition box, the more I think he has become such a "big name" that he can basically dictate to any manager where he plays.

Roy and Kenny both happily played him in this position and the former seems to be happy to do it again with England. This is despite a good 90% of people on here saying that he would be better in an advanced role behind the striker.

I hope any new manager who comes in has the balls to put Gerrard where he sees fit and not where Gerrard thinks he should play.

This, of course, is ignoring the question as to whether he even deserves a starting place in the side nowadays. I'd say that he should be used sparingly myself as, aside from the Everton game last season, he hasn't had a stand-out performance for quite a while now.

[steveeastend]

The more I see Gerrard playing in this deep-lying playmaker role with the odd appearance in the opposition box, the more I think he has become such a "big name" that he can basically dictate to any manager where he plays.

There are two manager who could and would change this the minute they come in. I bet none of them won´t be our next manager...

[The Grinch]

Blaming it on the fans deary me let's get it straight it wasn't just the fans who wanted Kenny, Kenny put his name forward Rafa told anyone who would listen that Kenny should get the job it was Purslow, Gerrard and Carragher who wanted Hodgson because he was a nondescript bumbling idiot who wouldn't stand in their way and stop the Anglification of the Club.

As Ballague said

One thing does need to be said: in the post-Benitez era, there was media-led clamour (but also some politicking going on at the club) to make the club more English; the idea being that the club had lost the very essence of what it means to be ‘Liverpool’. Guillem Ballague 18/11/10

Roy Hodgson, the Liverpool manager, has given a clear indication that Steven Gerrard is to remain with the club after claiming the midfielder played an integral role in persuading Joe Cole to move to Anfield.

Cole yesterday agreed a four-year deal with Liverpool after being released by Chelsea at the end of last season. It has been suggested that the 28-year-old, who was also wanted by Tottenham Hotspur and Arsenal, is a replacement for Gerrard, who has been heavily linked with a move to Real Madrid this summer.

However, it would appear the 30-year-old sees his long-term future at Liverpool. According to Hodgson, it was he, along with Jamie Carragher, who told Cole during England's recent World Cup campaign in South Africa that Anfield rather than White Hart Lane or the Emirates Stadium was the place to be.

"Jamie Carragher and Steven Gerrard did a good job in selling the club to Joe at the recent World Cup," said Hodgson. "He [Cole] was undecided about what he wanted to do and to be fair it takes a bit more selling to persuade a Londoner who has played all his life in London to move up to Liverpool. The simple solution would have been to stay in the London area.

Carragher and Gerrard talked Cole into joining Liverpool when we were without a manager. How did they know a new manager would want Cole ? or did they simply not care ?

[Mr Kipling]

Not suprised to hear him hang out of Hodgson's arse, to be honest.

"He's a really good manager, a winner".

Yeah, course he is. Oh look, you're playing CM for England....... 

[TLW 84]

The more I see Gerrard playing in this deep-lying playmaker role with the odd appearance in the opposition box, the more I think he has become such a "big name" that he can basically dictate to any manager where he plays.

Roy and Kenny both happily played him in this position and the former seems to be happy to do it again with England. This is despite a good 90% of people on here saying that he would be better in an advanced role behind the striker.

I hope any new manager who comes in has the balls to put Gerrard where he sees fit and not where Gerrard thinks he should play.

This, of course, is ignoring the question as to whether he even deserves a starting place in the side nowadays. I'd say that he should be used sparingly myself as, aside from the Everton game last season, he hasn't had a stand-out performance for quite a while now.

I don't believe Gerrard has that much clout with him being 32 and nearing the end of his career, and having a bad injury record lately. Although maybe he's actually harder than we think. I think these theories are insulting to Kenny as well.