Topic: Gerrard signs new LFC contract

[andspecks]

We don't know do we?

If you say so.

[Alex7]

Yes, it is completely fair to say those 2 league games were meaningless. Kenny Dalglish was sacked long before two games coming off the back of a cup final which had no baring on anything in terms of, well, anything.

And again, you are taking Kenny for an idiot. Gerrard has, as reported, been taking painkilling injections to get through games he shouldn't have been playing in. Him not playing in the last 2 games was only good for Liverpool, nothing else. Kenny Dalglish realized this, any fan without an agenda knows this. I'm happy our captain missed our last 2 games, games he didn't need to play in, so that he can a) captain his country, a great honour for him, if not you and b) remain fit ahead of the Euros and come back to us fresher than if he had not had an extra week off

[Andy @ Allerton]

Yes, it is completely fair to say those 2 league games were meaningless. Kenny Dalglish was sacked long before two games coming off the back of a cup final which had no baring on anything in terms of, well, anything.

And again, you are taking Kenny for an idiot. Gerrard has, as reported, been taking painkilling injections to get through games he shouldn't have been playing in. Him not playing in the last 2 games was only good for Liverpool, nothing else. Kenny Dalglish realized this, any fan without an agenda knows this. I'm happy our captain missed our last 2 games, games he didn't need to play in, so that he can a) captain his country, a great honour for him, if not you and b) remain fit ahead of the Euros and come back to us fresher than if he had not had an extra week off

If he's allegedly taking painkillers to play then playing tomorrow is ridiculous isn't it? Surely he should be getting his body back to the stage where he can kick a ball about without requiring painkillers?

[swoopy]

He missed two games. And now he's playing tomorrow. Marvellous.

Look, I hate England as much as you. But it's been 2 weeks since the season finished, he could have had only a minor injury for all you know and thus why he is fit for tomorrow.

Can't wait for him to Fuck England off though mind

[Alex7]

He hasn't played in 3 weeks now.. he will be fully rested and it will help him stay fit through the Euros and subsequently help LFC when we need him. 2012-2013 > game 37/38 when you are playing for nothing.

You have a good method of saying one thing, getting discredited, and then bringing up another part of the conversation. It's fantastic stuff to read really.

[BOBSCOUSE]

Why on earth do you bother posting in this topic A@A?  If you haven't got anything positive worth saying then why say anything at all?

When it comes to Gerrard you are unable to see past the red mist that descends when you click onto these pages - you know that.  Don't do it to yourself, put your opinions across in the topics for other more favourable players who contribute so much more than our Captain and leave the inferior, less knowledgeable fans in here idolising their cripple of a legend.

Out of curiousity, are you an ex-boyfriend of Alex Curran?  Related to Jennifer Ellison?  Did you have a cat run over by some bloke in a LandRover who, as he drove past you in your tear-filled state, gave a five-fingered salute out the window?  Are you a Southport DJ?

[stevieG786]

What i don't understand it when we lose and gerrard doesn''t play well why is it all his fault that we lost? and then when we win and gerrard plays well it's not down to his work it's 'team effort' this and 'team effort' that?

[andspecks]

What i don't understand it when we lose and gerrard doesn''t play well why is it all his fault that we lost? and then when we win and gerrard plays well it's not down to his work it's 'team effort' this and 'team effort' that?

What I'd love to know.

[rob1408]

What i don't understand it when we lose and gerrard doesn''t play well why is it all his fault that we lost? and then when we win and gerrard plays well it's not down to his work it's 'team effort' this and 'team effort' that?

Well obviously that doesn't fit certain posters agenda, and they do have one regardless of what they say. 

[youll never walk alone it]

felt sick earlier when he was talking about hodgson, saying he was a winner an he liked how hodgson sets his team not to get beaten...

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felt sick earlier when he was talking about hodgson, saying he was a winner an he liked how hodgson sets his team not to get beaten...

What do you expect him to say? He is the captain, Owl is the manager. (Has Gerrard ever said anything negative about any of his team-mates or managers?)

[Andy @ Allerton]

What do you expect him to say? He is the captain, Owl is the manager. (Has Gerrard ever said anything negative about any of his team-mates or managers?)

Only with his face and actions on the pitch.

[thereader]

What do you expect him to say? He is the captain, Owl is the manager. (Has Gerrard ever said anything negative about any of his team-mates or managers?)

Would probably only please some if he'd said 'Hodgson is a shit manager whom I hate and he can stick the England captaincy and the Euros right up his arse'.   

[Andy @ Allerton]

Would probably only please some if he'd said 'Hodgson is a shit manager whom I hate and he can stick the England captaincy and the Euros right up his arse'.   

He'd be my hero forever if he ever said that

[-Q-]

Only with his face and actions on the pitch.

Get lost with this, it really is tiring. Show me a single quote of any player or manager of Gerrard that is negative. As far as I know he is respected as a person, as a captain and as a player. Seriously - who do you think this malicious nonsense you post here serve?

[matt120979]

What do you expect him to say? He is the captain, Owl is the manager. (Has Gerrard ever said anything negative about any of his team-mates or managers?)

Torres subbed for Ngog at Birmingham springs to mind IIRC.

[Matt8Pie]

He'll get injured playing for England. Nailed on.

[rob1408]

He'll get injured playing for England. Nailed on.

I hope so, just to see Andy climb a clocktower with a gun.

[-Q-]

He'd be my hero forever if he ever said that

Owl was not the right man for Liverpool but to be honest, he had little chance. There was no support from the owners or fans and it was embarassing to see how he was treated even before he managed the first game for us. He is not right for Liverpool but he is a respected manager and only a rude person unprefessional player would make negative comments about their manager...and no smiley face can make that comment you made any better. I really hope all our players will do great at Euro's and if Owl makes best of them, it will only benefit Liverpool. Confidence and winning mentality we need, not more negativity and complaints.

[-Q-]

Torres subbed for Ngog at Birmingham springs to mind IIRC.

What did he say?

[Alex7]

Torres subbed for Ngog at Birmingham springs to mind IIRC.

Not understanding a decision in the middle of a match is hardly saying something negative about a manager. Van Persie did the same to Wenger when AOC got subbed against United, doesn't mean anything really.

[Alex7]

What did he say?

He looked confused and scratched the back of his head. Oh the villain!

[matt120979]

What did he say?

It was the look on his gob.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t00D23R63ig

Of course, people are free to interpret as they want.

I am not a Gerrard-basher by any means. However, I do harbour some doubts about him (which admittedly may be totally unfair), particularly in relation to what role he may have played in Rafa's dismissal.

I think he is one of the best players we have ever had at the club, but I am not sure he is the sort of bloke I could have a pint with.

... not that he's ever asked me like!

[Guz-kop]

That sub was the perfect example of the media picking up on something, blowing it out of proportion and football fans jizzing themselves all over it.

[matt120979]

That sub was the perfect example of the media picking up on something, blowing it out of proportion and football fans jizzing themselves all over it.

Have you been spying on me???

[thereader]

Owl was not the right man for Liverpool but to be honest, he had little chance. There was no support from the owners or fans and it was embarassing to see how he was treated even before he managed the first game for us. He is not right for Liverpool but he is a respected manager and only a rude person unprefessional player would make negative comments about their manager...and no smiley face can make that comment you made any better. I really hope all our players will do great at Euro's and if Owl makes best of them, it will only benefit Liverpool. Confidence and winning mentality we need, not more negativity and complaints.

How many Liverpool players are actually at the Euros?  Off the top of my head I can think of the England guys, Agger, Reina and Kuyt.  Probably some i'm not remembering.

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It was the look on his gob.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t00D23R63ig

Of course, people are free to interpret as they want.

I am not a Gerrard-basher by any means. However, I do harbour some doubts about him (which admittedly may be totally unfair), particularly in relation to what role he may have played in Rafa's dismissal.

I think he is one of the best players we have ever had at the club, but I am not sure he is the sort of bloke I could have a pint with.

... not that he's ever asked me like!

I asked if he ever said anything- the response was that his face did not look that happy (well Suarez must be really unhappy about every player and manager if we take his face as an evidence).  Gerrard is not my fav. player but I respect him and enjoy to see him play. I have never seen a single negative remark about him from the people he works with, the opposite. That seems good enough indicator of what sort of player and a person he is. I think he has always felt a huge responsibility and had to be in control (this some posters here see as lack of passion, being lazy etc); however of course he is human and if he looked unhappy about things on the pitch it hardly is a lack of respect but rather a frustration and most players are guilty of worse reactions. As the malicious gossip about his role in removing and appointing managers, it is a pure speculation and I don't want to give it any time. Lastly, people have a stupid tendency to make stuff up and post pictures/youtube links as an evidence; for example the one when he supposedly is swearing at Kenny (but all he says is they understood instructions and Kenny can go and sit down, nothing rude about that moment).

[Andy @ Allerton]

Get lost with this, it really is tiring. Show me a single quote of any player or manager of Gerrard that is negative. As far as I know he is respected as a person, as a captain and as a player. Seriously - who do you think this malicious nonsense you post here serve?

I've nothing against you sticking up for Gerrard. In fact, I wholeheartedly approve. However, don't pretend that he's never looked disgusted at some players getting subbed on or off or refused to pass to some players because he doesn't rate them or demand the ball off players he doesn't rate because he doesn't trust them. It's obvious.

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How many Liverpool players are actually at the Euros?  Off the top of my head I can think of the England guys, Agger, Reina and Kuyt.  Probably some i'm not remembering.

I don't think the final squads have been published yet but those three and 5-7 in England team.

[-Q-]

I've nothing against you sticking up for Gerrard. In fact, I wholeheartedly approve. However, don't pretend that he's never looked disgusted at some players getting subbed on or off or refused to pass to some players because he doesn't rate them or demand the ball off players he doesn't rate because he doesn't trust them. It's obvious.

Have you ever seen Suarez face? Have you seen Spearing pointing for the ball? Or name any other player. What you are doing here is making huge fuss about nothing because of your bizare hatred for Gerrard. If you were a player and wanted to win, would your face be calm and emotion free? The fact all the players have huge respect for him and never say anything bad can tell you what he really is like.

About trusting other players, this is again a speculation and you can say he is protecting, leading etc. I think there may be lack of trust as well and I can not judge him for that because I am also a perfectionist and find it really hard to share responsibility. Gerrard had to play in teams where there were very few players on his level and I have not seen much of what you are saying, with a few exceptions when all he was guilty of was desire to win. Is he perfect? I don't think so. Is he a great player respected by his team-mates and managers, 100%.

[Andy @ Allerton]

Have you ever seen Suarez face? Have you seen Spearing pointing for the ball? Or name any other player. What you are doing here is making huge fuss about nothing because of your bizare hatred for Gerrard. If you were a player and wanted to win, would your face be calm and emotion free? The fact all the players have huge respect for him and never say anything bad can tell you what he really is like.

All of them? Know em all do you?

[-Q-]

All of them? Know em all do you?

Answering with a question and picking on a figure of speech....

[Dirk18Kuyt]

Owl was not the right man for Liverpool but to be honest, he had little chance. There was no support from the owners or fans and it was embarassing to see how he was treated even before he managed the first game for us. He is not right for Liverpool but he is a respected manager and only a rude person unprefessional player would make negative comments about their manager...and no smiley face can make that comment you made any better. I really hope all our players will do great at Euro's and if Owl makes best of them, it will only benefit Liverpool. Confidence and winning mentality we need, not more negativity and complaints.

Starting to think these bitter England haters would rather see England crash and burn, Liverpool players to all have shit times and then come back to a club that doesn't know what it's doing. How is that beneficial to anybody?

[Rohit]

He'll get injured playing for England. Nailed on.

I'll go one better in that he'll probably be pumped up full of drugs and playing through an injury due to him being captain. It's not like it hasn't before, see stuart pearces use of him.

[steveeastend]

Owl was not the right man for Liverpool but to be honest, he had little chance. There was no support from the owners or fans and it was embarassing to see how he was treated even before he managed the first game for us.

That´s not true at all.

He was welcomed and defended to the hill by our senior local players, the press and the majority of the support until it was just too obvious that his qualities weren´t the reason for him being hired. I was critical from the moment I realised what was going on, especially on the pitch and transfer market and there were only a couple of other posters not telling me to shut up.

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That´s not true at all.

He was welcomed and defended to the hill by our senior local players, the press and the majority of the support until it was just too obvious that his qualities weren´t the reason for him being hired. I was critical from the moment I realised what was going on, especially on the pitch and transfer market and there were only a couple of other posters not telling me to shut up.

Is this response to my post? 

[steveeastend]

Is this response to my post? 

You were talking about Hodgson no? As far as I can remember it was not true at all that he had no support even before the first game right from the beginning as you stated in your post. Especially the press, and our local players, ex players all insited how Hodgson will "put it right" after "the mess" Rafa left. He sold and bought players without a DoF controlling him and we could see the results after the transfer window and first half of the season. THEN the fans gradually realised that there might be something wrong.

Or you wanna say there were people at the club telling him who to buy and sell and how to rebuild the first eleven position wise? If Hodgson had no support, as you stated, who were the people responsible for the rebuild of the squad?

[-Q-]

You were talking about Hodgson no? As far as I can remember it was not true at all that he had no support even before the first game right from the beginning as you stated in your post. Especially the press, and our local players, ex players all insited how Hodgson will "put it right" after "the mess" Rafa left. He sold and bought players without a DoF controlling him and we could see the results after the transfer window and first half of the season. THEN the fans gradually realised that there might be something wrong.

Or you wanna say there were people at the club telling him who to buy and sell and how to rebuild the first eleven position wise? If Hodgson had no support, as you stated, who were the people responsible for the rebuild of the squad?

If you read my post you will see why I asked as you said that it was not true and then talked about something else. Owl had no support from the fans or owners, that is what I said. The owners were drawning at that point and I really hoped they will be gone before they can cause more damage (sadly it took 4 more months to get rid of them). As a new manager he had very limited funds, lost another top player and never inspired the team. I remember here, there were several Rafa threads and not a single welcome for him. Now I am not saying he was a great choice or making any judgement about those decissions, just saying there was no support from our fans or owners at all and his position was really hard after Rafa sacking, huge disapointment in CL and PL (we were going to win it ). Anyway as this is Gerrard thread: I don't see what can he do other than give full support to his manager. Many complain he did not speak for Rafa after he was sacked, but that would be silly thing to do as he was not leaving Liverpool. He always spoke about Rafa with respect and if he rates Owl as a manager that is his own decission and does not mean he wanted Rafa out. What it means is that he placed his trust in the new manager and that is exactly the right thing to do.

[lorenzo23]

If you read my post you will see why I asked as you said that it was not true and then talked about something else. Owl had no support from the fans or owners, that is what I said. The owners were drawning at that point and I really hoped they will be gone before they can cause more damage (sadly it took 4 more months to get rid of them). As a new manager he had very limited funds, lost another top player and never inspired the team. I remember here, there were several Rafa threads and not a single welcome for him. Now I am not saying he was a great choice or making any judgement about those decissions, just saying there was no support from our fans or owners at all and his position was really hard after Rafa sacking, huge disapointment in CL and PL (we were going to win it ). Anyway as this is Gerrard thread: I don't see what can he do other than give full support to his manager. Many complain he did not speak for Rafa after he was sacked, but that would be silly thing to do as he was not leaving Liverpool. He always spoke about Rafa with respect and if he rates Owl as a manager that is his own decission and does not mean he wanted Rafa out. What it means is that he placed his trust in the new manager and that is exactly the right thing to do.

Did he not say kind words about Kenny leaving? not 100% sure but i can't remember him saying same about Rafa i could be mistaken.

[steveeastend]

Owl had no support from the fans or owners, that is what I said.

.. and this is wrong. He had it, but he lost it cause he was shite despite being talked up by our senior local players and ex players and the press. In addition he was allowed to rebuild the squad to his liking so how was there no support from the club?