Topic: Nikica Jelavić

[thekitkatshuffler]

I don't understand this logic in any way at all...

The logic I would attach to it is that if we panic buy now to try to chase a 4th place spot that we simply won't attain anyway, then it just sets us up with more players who aren't good enough for next season.  Nikita Jellyfish falls into that category.

Wait until Summer and buy the kind of quality we've failed to aim for for years.

[moses]

Jelavic has nothing to do with any current players any slating of current players and thread will be locked

i can appreciate your point of view, but locking the thread would seem a bit OTT. Surely  highlighting the deficiencies of current players would allow us to better  discuss where Jelavic could fit into our plans?

[Azi]

i can appreciate your point of view, but locking the thread would seem a bit OTT. Surely  highlighting the deficiencies of current players would allow us to better  discuss where Jelavic could fit into our plans?

in theory yes but when folk are posting

"Carroll is fucking shite and should never wear a Liverpool strip " or "downing is pish "


which of those statements has any relevance to Jelavic?

now if rawk posters were to say something along the lines of

"jelavic would be a good signing imo as he offers something different to downing in that he is a decent finisher or  can do the kuyt role more efficiently" i dont think me or any of the mods would have any problems leaving the thread open 

[Aquilani 4]

Nikica Jelavic’s father says Rangers striker is holding out for Liverpool move

By Mark Walker and Andrew Smith

LIVERPOOL have emerged as contenders to sign Rangers striker Nikica Jelavic, with the player’s father claiming that Anfield is his son’s preferred destination.

With just nine days remaining of the transfer window, the interest in the forward looks set to intensify this week. Ally McCoist confirmed yesterday that talks had taken place between Rangers chairman Craig Whyte and his West Ham United counterpart David Sullivan but the Ibrox manager insisted he was unaware of interest from any other clubs after the Croatian was also linked with Fulham and Queens Park Rangers.

Jelavic featured in the Rangers side who fought back from behind to draw 1-1 with Aberdeen at Ibrox yesterday.

McCoist said: “I spoke to Craig today and I believe Craig had a conversation with David Sullivan. But Craig was very keen to point out that absolutely no offers had been made at all. I think it was just a pretty informal chat they had.”

On speculation linking the player with other clubs south of the border, he added: “That’s news to me, I’ve certainly not been told. The only team where there has been an indication of interest is West Ham.”

But Jelavic’s father has revealed his son is holding out for a move to Liverpool.

Philip Jelavic said: “Yes, we know about the interest of West Ham, and Queens Park Rangers. But Nikica has five or six clubs interested, including that of the great Liverpool. As for West Ham and QPR, I think that Nikica is more ambitious than that. I think it’s most likely that he will sign for Liverpool. But there are still a few days until the end of the transfer window, so we will wait and see.”

McCoist insists Rangers are looking for a lot more than the reported £6 million West Ham are prepared to bid for Jelavic, who moved to Ibrox for £4m in August 2010.

http://www.scotsman.com/scotland-on-sunday/sport-columnists/aidan-smith/nikica_jelavic_s_father_says_rangers_striker_is_holding_out_for_liverpool_move_1_2070922

[The Portuguese Kopite]

I think he'd be a more efficient and suitable "Number 9" to our setup than any other attacker we have from what I've seen of him. Tall yet looks quicker and more agile than Carroll, seems to have enough pace to actually keep up with our attacks and seems like a poacher. Don't think I'd mind for a low price. Better him than nobody.

[Juan Loco]

I don't watch him. Long gone are the days when I'd willingly sit through the SPfuckingL, Old Firm or not. I don't believe many on here have seen him at all. But for the ones that have - and this is all I really care about - is he a good finisher? I don't mean "does he score goals?", I mean does he take shots early, does he find the corners?

I'm of the firm belief that we can find a striker who will score plenty for us (with Suarez) from left-field, and it needn't be an obvious star. I've got no idea if Jelavic could do that though. As long as he's got good finishing technique, he isn't afraid to keep on moving without seeing the ball (Hi Nando  ) and he can control the ball and move it on quickly, under control, then I think he could work. I think pretty much any striker with those attributes could work. ... With Suarez anyways.

[Carra23]

I don't watch him. Long gone are the days when I'd willingly sit through the SPfuckingL, Old Firm or not. I don't believe many on here have seen him at all. But for the ones that have - and this is all I really care about - is he a good finisher? I don't mean "does he score goals?", I mean does he take shots early, does he find the corners?

I'm of the firm belief that we can find a striker who will score plenty for us (with Suarez) from left-field, and it needn't be an obvious star. I've got no idea if Jelavic could do that though. As long as he's got good finishing technique, he isn't afraid to keep on moving without seeing the ball (Hi Nando  ) and he can control the ball and move it on quickly, under control, then I think he could work. I think pretty much any striker with those attributes could work. ... With Suarez anyways.

My Cousin's husband is a Rangers ST Holder and discussing Jelevic with him he reckons if you put the ball in the box, he'll be on it.
Not seen much myself but I do know he is half decent in the air.

[Mr Dilkington]

He's decent, and at 6 or 7 million he's probably worth the risk.

Given how poor our options up top are at the minute, most would be worth a gamble.

[Didi_ram]

Oh I absolutely do not want Jelavic here, I think he's mid-table PL quality at best, my point was more about this transfer window in general. I guess the worry is, with regards to this lad, that we aren't even identifying players of the right caliber, and even when we do, we haggle over 2-3 million. It's TLW.

Agree totally.

Cant see Jelavic as the solution to our problems.
More mediocrity.

[El_Pistolero]

He was trouble-on-legs while at Vienna, they weren't even bothered when he left - the manager was jumping with joy, maybe an exaggeration - and it was Hofmann they chose to hang onto that summer.

I've only seen him a few times, more at Vienna than Rangers, but IDK. He's had a 1-in-2/1-in-3 ratio for Vienna/Rangers, and maybe he would be worth a punt, but I'd be quite weary of spending any 'decent' amount of money on him. 

[Didi_ram]

What we need is quality.If Jelavic is the type of player we are looking to get in,then we'd rather wait till the summer.
We need a quality Cam/Rw and a Cf,and Jelavic does not fit the bill.
I cant imagine that after all the scouting,this is what we could end up with.
I hope we can do better than this.

[firing squad]

well here's a little ITK thing, if you could call it that. Jelavić's dad talked to my dad yesterday( they know each other, my dad was Nikica's coach) and he said that couple of clubs are after him, QPR, West Ham, Nottingham Forest(!!) and Liverpool.

Also, he added that Liverpool is so far the most serious regarding interest, but it's all still off the record.

So if he's lying than I am too.

[firing squad]

I don't watch him. Long gone are the days when I'd willingly sit through the SPfuckingL, Old Firm or not. I don't believe many on here have seen him at all. But for the ones that have - and this is all I really care about - is he a good finisher? I don't mean "does he score goals?", I mean does he take shots early, does he find the corners?

I'm of the firm belief that we can find a striker who will score plenty for us (with Suarez) from left-field, and it needn't be an obvious star. I've got no idea if Jelavic could do that though. As long as he's got good finishing technique, he isn't afraid to keep on moving without seeing the ball (Hi Nando  ) and he can control the ball and move it on quickly, under control, then I think he could work. I think pretty much any striker with those attributes could work. ... With Suarez anyways.

he's actually a pretty good finisher. I wouldn't say he's got a great technique but he does have that striker's instinct to be at the right place at the right time.  So far at least.

[Carra23]

well here's a little ITK thing, if you could call it that. Jelavić's dad talked to my dad yesterday( they know each other, my dad was Nikica's coach) and he said that couple of clubs are after him, QPR, West Ham, Nottingham Forest(!!) and Liverpool.

Also, he added that Liverpool is so far the most serious regarding interest, but it's all still off the record.

So if he's lying than I am too.

Do we really want to be competing for a player with QPR and a couple of championship teams?

[AshTJ]

He's decent, and at 6 or 7 million he's probably worth the risk.

Given how poor our options up top are at the minute, most would be worth a gamble.

They've already rejected a £9M bid from an unknown club this transfer window.

Would be a dissapointing signing considering there's probably hundreds of better strikers out there who we could afford and more importantly would jump at the opportunity to join us, but meh, better than Carroll I guess.

As the guy above said I don't really want to buy someone who a bunch of Championship clubs are after. Getting proper irritated at our lack of ambition in the transfer market recently.

well here's a little ITK thing, if you could call it that. Jelavić's dad talked to my dad yesterday( they know each other, my dad was Nikica's coach) and he said that couple of clubs are after him, QPR, West Ham, Nottingham Forest(!!) and Liverpool.

Also, he added that Liverpool is so far the most serious regarding interest, but it's all still off the record.

So if he's lying than I am too.

So not even the Championship clubs are as keen to sign him than we are? Oh goody.

I've never seen that much of the lad but c'mon.

[Barefoot Doctor]

They've already rejected a £9M bid from an unknown club this transfer window.

That was the summer window. And many up in Scotland aren't sure if there was a bid at all - most think it was just the new owner making it look as if Rangers had the financial muscle to turn down a £9m bid.

It seems clear to me that the only person bigging up a move to Liverpool for Jelavic is his agent. He's either trying to get our attention or bring other teams into the bidding.

If I was a betting man, I'd say we're not really interested.

[scatman]

I've not seen much of him but I do watch Rangers games now and then. I'll tell what's good about him, he gets into the right places at the right time, hence why hes scored quite a bunch for them

[Mr Rossi]

Seems a decent finisher in the SPL but so did Kris Boyd. Was hoping we'd be goin for someone with a bit more quality then Jelavic.

[Mr Rossi]

I dont know why we dont put a bid in for Steven Fletcher. He knows were the goal is, has proved he can score in this league and is a Liverpool fan too.

[arnaldo]

Fuck me, we're against forest, qpr and fulham for players now. If we can't get the class, don't buy anyone at all in my opinion or we will end up with the gash we have been buying for the last 10 yrs. we are Liverpool Fc for fucks sake

[Barefoot Doctor]

Fuck me, we're against forest, qpr and fulham for players now. If we can't get the class, don't buy anyone at all in my opinion or we will end up with the gash we have been buying for the last 10 yrs. we are Liverpool Fc for fucks sake

You seem to be getting angry at the club for something you don't know is true.

[arnaldo]

You seem to be getting angry at the club for something you don't know is true.

Yes your prob right, probably all stems from last nights garbage.

[neurotic]

I'm very very sceptical whether this would be a smart move. Looks like Rangers will want around 10M for him. Jelavic's scoring record before Rangers was absymal, and looking at the goals scored defence in the Scottish Premier League is really terrible. This is a league where Kenny Miller was the top scorer last year with 21 goals (add to this he played only half of the season - 18 games - as he moved to Bursaspor in January!!!). Most of the teams must be somewhere on a Championship/League One level.


Saying we should put in a bid for Fletcher, that some of the folks here have been dreaming here, is really fvcking retarded, pardon my french. Do we really need more average players in the mould of Charlie fecking Adam? Hopefully not, for christ's sake.

[aerorossi29]

Not for me this lad, seen him play and whilst he knows where the goal is, it is unsettling that the likes of west ham and forest etc are linked with him. I do not mean any disrespect to those clubs but as has been said, we should only be bringing in the very best to lfc and jelavic is not that. He is a good honest pro, not the sort of player that we require imo. Could do a job for west ham or one of those other teams linked no doubt.

[shelovesyou]

This lad any good ?
Dare I ask ?

[TOMMO86]

Not for me this lad, seen him play and whilst he knows where the goal is, it is unsettling that the likes of west ham and forest etc are linked with him. I do not mean any disrespect to those clubs but as has been said, we should only be bringing in the very best to lfc and jelavic is not that. He is a good honest pro, not the sort of player that we require imo. Could do a job for west ham or one of those other teams linked no doubt.

The same West Ham who wanted Demba Ba with only Stoke the other interested club.

[Laughter is the best medicine...]

The same West Ham who wanted Demba Ba with only Stoke the other interested club.

thats probably because of his medical history (failed a medical at stuttgart and another big german club iirc)

[El_Pistolero]

I'm very very sceptical whether this would be a smart move. Looks like Rangers will want around 10M for him. Jelavic's scoring record before Rangers was absymal, and looking at the goals scored defence in the Scottish Premier League is really terrible. ...

25 in 70 at Vienna, or something like that, wouldn't call it abysmal. He'll be, I assume anyway, a much better player now he's aged and moved than back then when he was what, early 20s.

[neurotic]

Yes, this is absymal. You do know that Vienna plays in Austrian league, right? This is a league that's far worse than Belgian league, probably even worse than Croatian league. Reality check calling, pick up the phone, pretty please. If we're really after him for such an ammount of money, our scouting department should get a sack, especially after the Carroll fiasco. And feel free to check his goals for Rangers, they're on Youtube, man-marking in most of them is worse than in Championship. It's a no-brainer he will flop, the same as I claimed about what will happen to Voronin and Jovanovic. Someone needs to get his ass kicked if we continue to do such stupid moves.

[AlphaDelta]

People are crying because he's come from the SPL, if the lad was coming from South America or some other unknown destination then we'd be howling for him to come.
Look at who we have now, Bellamy - god love him but he cant play every game, Carroll - enough said, and Kuyt - not happening. For a sensible price the boy is worth a gamble.

[firing squad]

Yes, this is absymal. You do know that Vienna plays in Austrian league, right? This is a league that's far worse than Belgian league, probably even worse than Croatian league. Reality check calling, pick up the phone, pretty please. If we're really after him for such an ammount of money, our scouting department should get a sack, especially after the Carroll fiasco. And feel free to check his goals for Rangers, they're on Youtube, man-marking in most of them is worse than in Championship. It's a no-brainer he will flop, the same as I claimed about what will happen to Voronin and Jovanovic. Someone needs to get his ass kicked if we continue to do such stupid moves.

it's not, but the Croatian league is no reference.

[El_Pistolero]

Vienna is in Austria? No way.

Bar his first season (7 in 35) at Rapid, he had 32 in 61 appearences and he was only 2 goals behind Hofmann who was 09/10's top scorer, it may not be prolific but it isn't abysmal, he then improved on that in Scotland with 31 in 45.

He may improve once more if he makes the move down south, I think he could certainly do a job for the likes of QPR and you're right, we probably could do better. But if he comes I won't be ruling him out before he even plays a game for us, no matter how skeptical I'd be of his signing.

[neurotic]

People are crying because he's come from the SPL, if the lad was coming from South America or some other unknown destination then we'd be howling for him to come.
Look at who we have now, Bellamy - god love him but he cant play every game, Carroll - enough said, and Kuyt - not happening. For a sensible price the boy is worth a gamble.

No, people are crying out because it looks like our scouting network is doing tit all and we're constantly bringing average players in - for ages now. It's like we're completely unable to spot any talented players. And NO, not every fucking player is worth a gamble for a "sensible price". They're worth gamble if they look like good prospects and actually come relatively cheap (10M is far from "cheap").

By the way, ten million pounds is far from a sensible price that can be touted as a worthy gamble. For such a price we should get a player that will come in and definitely score goals. Jelavic is far from such a player. To give an example of a gamble that could be taken: Ricky Van Wolfsvinkel, a much younger player that is definitely a much bigger prospect than Jelavic will ever be (he scored incredible two goals in 17 games for NT btw.), and cost Sporting 5.5M€, which is 4 million pounds, last year. This is a price and a type of player that's worth a gamble, not a player that will be 27-years old, from a very very questionable league, that was unable to score in freaking Austrian league when he was 25-years old, and would cost almost three times more. Gimme a fucking break.

[keeby]

What a really average player to be chasing, should be setting our sights much higher than this.

[Barefoot Doctor]

No, people are crying out because it looks like our scouting network is doing tit all and we're constantly bringing average players in - for ages now. It's like we're completely unable to spot any talented players. And NO, not every fucking player is worth a gamble for a "sensible price". They're worth gamble if they look like good prospects and actually come relatively cheap (10M is far from "cheap").

By the way, ten million pounds is far from a sensible price that can be touted as a worthy gamble. For such a price we should get a player that will come in and definitely score goals. Jelavic is far from such a player. To give an example of a gamble that could be taken: Ricky Van Wolfsvinkel, a much younger player that is definitely a much bigger prospect than Jelavic will ever be (he scored incredible two goals in 17 games for NT btw.), and cost Sporting 5.5M€, which is 4 million pounds, last year. This is a price and a type of player that's worth a gamble, not a player that will be 27-years old, from a very very questionable league, that was unable to score in freaking Austrian league when he was 25-years old, and would cost almost three times more. Gimme a fucking break.

Wait a minute, have we signed Jelavic and nobody's told me? No? Then give it a rest.

[Redsnappa]

Seems to know where the goal is, busts a gut to get in there, does the unexpected - overhead kicks and such - can take a good free kick and is a good header of the ball.

I'm certainly no expert, but surely he's something we need?

[hedger]

Seems to know where the goal is, busts a gut to get in there, does the unexpected - overhead kicks and such - can take a good free kick and is a good header of the ball.

I'm certainly no expert, but surely he's something we need?

No. No he isn't.
If we continue down the road of signing average players we will be a mid table team

[neurotic]

We are a midtable team.

Cheers.

[neurotic]

Wait a minute, have we signed Jelavic and nobody's told me? No? Then give it a rest.

No, but it has Liverpool written all over it. Maybe we should take a chance on Carroll, Downing, Adam and Henderson with +80M pounds combined. Just to take a shot, maybe it will work out.

Oh, wait, we did.

[hedger]

We are a midtable team.

Cheers.

We werent when I looked this morning