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Re: Reds and police probe abuse of Oldham defender Tom Adeyemi (***)
« Reply #920 on: January 10, 2012, 04:01:32 PM »
Have been so impressed with Oldham over this issue. the difference in class between United/Evra and Oldham/Adeyemi is staggering.

Have emailed the following...

As a season ticket holder at Liverpool Football Club I would like to personally thank Oldham Athletic generally and Tom Adeyemi specifically for their dignified and professional approach to the recent events at Anfield.

Liverpool's worldwide reputation as a decent and anti-prejudice football club is as important to our supporters as the quality of the football we watch on the field, and it is no secret that recent events regarding Luis Suarez have, in the eyes of the British media, brought that fact into question. Regardless of the rights and wrongs of this case, the vast majority of our supporters are horrified that we have been miscast in this way.

Oldham Athletic's, and specifically Mr. Adeyemi's, adherence to the proper channels of investigation without recourse to press briefings has undoubtedly avoided a further media circus and enormous reputational damage and hopefully will result in an ultimately satisfactory and just conclusion.

I would appreciate Mr Adeyemi could be made aware of the respect he has engendered from all at Anfield.

Yours sincerely,

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Re: Reds and police probe abuse of Oldham defender Tom Adeyemi (***)
« Reply #921 on: January 10, 2012, 04:13:22 PM »
Game in Chicago apparently....

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There's got to be video of those games. I know they showed almost all of the mancs friendlies on the big networks in the US.

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Re: Reds and police probe abuse of Oldham defender Tom Adeyemi (***)
« Reply #922 on: January 10, 2012, 04:16:08 PM »
Have been so impressed with Oldham over this issue. the difference in class between United/Evra and Oldham/Adeyemi is staggering.

Have emailed the following...

As a season ticket holder at Liverpool Football Club I would like to personally thank Oldham Athletic generally and Tom Adeyemi specifically for their dignified and professional approach to the recent events at Anfield.

Liverpool's worldwide reputation as a decent and anti-prejudice football club is as important to our supporters as the quality of the football we watch on the field, and it is no secret that recent events regarding Luis Suarez have, in the eyes of the British media, brought that fact into question. Regardless of the rights and wrongs of this case, the vast majority of our supporters are horrified that we have been miscast in this way.

Oldham Athletic's, and specifically Mr. Adeyemi's, adherence to the proper channels of investigation without recourse to press briefings has undoubtedly avoided a further media circus and enormous reputational damage and hopefully will result in an ultimately satisfactory and just conclusion.

I would appreciate Mr Adeyemi could be made aware of the respect he has engendered from all at Anfield.

Yours sincerely,


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Re: Reds and police probe abuse of Oldham defender Tom Adeyemi (***)
« Reply #923 on: January 10, 2012, 04:22:04 PM »
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MP Tim Farron has told Liverpool fan @simonjust he's asked Sports/Justice ministers to look at #FA disciplinary procedures
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Re: Reds and police probe abuse of Oldham defender Tom Adeyemi (***)
« Reply #924 on: January 10, 2012, 04:28:05 PM »
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MP Tim Farron has told Liverpool fan @simonjust he's asked Sports/Justice ministers to look at #FA disciplinary procedures

Be interesting if the Government can be brought in over this. They can't be happy there is system in place that clearly allows such decisions to be made with no real recourse to appeal.

The FA would love this to go away, but I can see it rumbling on for years. The fact is that any reasonable person can see the massive injustice in their decision. They even state as much in their own 115 page report. To cherry pick evidence that helps your case while clearly documenting evidence you have chosen to discard 'because it doesn't' is disgusting in itself.

Then we have these pictures and stories and videos which are undermining their decision by the day.
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Re: Reds and police probe abuse of Oldham defender Tom Adeyemi (***)
« Reply #925 on: January 10, 2012, 04:31:09 PM »
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Re: Reds and police probe abuse of Oldham defender Tom Adeyemi (***)
« Reply #926 on: January 10, 2012, 04:41:55 PM »
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I have been successful in getting a Parliamentary Select Committee (DCMS) to look at the whole issue of racism in football/sport (06/03/12).
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Re: Reds and police probe abuse of Oldham defender Tom Adeyemi (***)
« Reply #927 on: January 10, 2012, 04:44:31 PM »
There's got to be video of those games. I know they showed almost all of the mancs friendlies on the big networks in the US.
surely the picture in the link is a man u fan rather than a player?

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Re: Reds and police probe abuse of Oldham defender Tom Adeyemi (***)
« Reply #928 on: January 10, 2012, 04:51:59 PM »
Just received this from the BBC:

Good afternoon,

 

Thank you for your email.

 

That story has now been amended.

 

Regards,

 

Jimmy

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I have just sent this to the BBC complaints department. Feel free to use if you wish.
I was astonished reading the quote from Gordon Taylor.

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I am referring to the article which reports the statement released by Oldham Athletic Football Club regarding an alleged incident in a recent football match played at Anfield.
In the latter section of the article you attribute the following comment to Gordon Taylor chairman of the PFA:
 

"We can confirm that he was the victim of racist abuse towards the end of the Liverpool v Oldham FA Cup tie last Friday evening," said Taylor.

Football supporters are not unfamiliar with representative officials appointing themselves as investigators, legal experts, judge and jury. Therefore, to hear such prejudiced statements will not be a surprise.
The shocking thing is, that, a powerful media outlet like the BBC has sought to publish these comments during the course of a police investigation.
I am not a legal expert but surely this is in violation of the Contempt of Court Act 1981.
I was under the impression that anyone undergoing investigation was afforded the protection of the law to avoid such public statements, which, might be considered prejudicial to any future trial process.   

I await your response.

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Re: Reds and police probe abuse of Oldham defender Tom Adeyemi (***)
« Reply #929 on: January 10, 2012, 04:55:29 PM »
http://www.theanfieldwrap.com/2012/01/without-prejudice-the-curious-case-of-the-racist-non-racist/

Best article I've read over the Suarez saga, worth a read.
It really is a fantastically written piece, such a shame that it won't reach enough people to actually change any opinions

Be interesting if the Government can be brought in over this. They can't be happy there is system in place that clearly allows such decisions to be made with no real recourse to appeal.

The FA would love this to go away, but I can see it rumbling on for years. The fact is that any reasonable person can see the massive injustice in their decision. They even state as much in their own 115 page report. To cherry pick evidence that helps your case while clearly documenting evidence you have chosen to discard 'because it doesn't' is disgusting in itself.

Then we have these pictures and stories and videos which are undermining their decision by the day.
The only problem is that our club would like this to go away, and I'd imagine that Luis would like this to go away as well, despite the injustice of the whole thing.

If it could be moved into the government, things could get very interesting for the FA. The whole things not exactly casting england in a good light is it, all this talk of racism and the rest.
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Re: Reds and police probe abuse of Oldham defender Tom Adeyemi (***)
« Reply #930 on: January 10, 2012, 04:55:48 PM »
Just received this from the BBC:

Good afternoon,

 

Thank you for your email.

 

That story has now been amended.

 

Regards,

 

Jimmy

BBC Sport Interactive

 

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Re: Reds and police probe abuse of Oldham defender Tom Adeyemi (***)
« Reply #931 on: January 10, 2012, 04:56:46 PM »
SteveRotheramMP Steve Rotheram
I have been successful in getting a Parliamentary Select Committee (DCMS) to look at the whole issue of racism in football/sport (06/03/12).

This really will be interesting to see. It'll be the single last thing the FA will want, an outside force looking in at the way they do things.
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Re: Reds and police probe abuse of Oldham defender Tom Adeyemi (***)
« Reply #932 on: January 10, 2012, 05:15:36 PM »
Be interesting if the Government can be brought in over this. They can't be happy there is system in place that clearly allows such decisions to be made with no real recourse to appeal.

The FA would love this to go away, but I can see it rumbling on for years. The fact is that any reasonable person can see the massive injustice in their decision. They even state as much in their own 115 page report. To cherry pick evidence that helps your case while clearly documenting evidence you have chosen to discard 'because it doesn't' is disgusting in itself.

Then we have these pictures and stories and videos which are undermining their decision by the day.

Do you know what's the annoying thing for me is that the commission went completely against every justice system I have ever heard of. The idea of any tribunal or legal case is that the prosecution make their case and the defence make their case and the Judge or Jury rules on the evidence and only the evidence that is put before them.

That quite simply did not happen here. Greaney and McCormack who were representing the FA and LFC respectively had to make their case, Greaney for the FA did not rely on for evidence either of Evra's first two statements and McCormack did not even know about the interviews. So why when the wrongly withheld tapes came to light did the FA commission take it upon themselves to listen to the tapes of Evra's first two interviews, when neither side at that point where using them as evidence.

It is a simply mind blowing decision to make, if a juror in a criminal case had deliberately sought out and digested material that was not part of the Prosecution or defence case they would be held in contempt of court and would of faced the prospect of being jailed and the case would be halted immediately.

Not only did the commission make huge procedural error but they compounded it by using parts of that tape to come to their verdict. It wasn't even an isolated incident. The FA alleged that Suarez had used the word Negro five times whilst Suarez said it was one. The commission then became the prosecution and made a case that Suarez had used the word seven times and unsurprisingly with their Judge and Jury hat on agreed with themselves.

The role of the FA prosecuting the case and the supposedly Independent Commission judging it became so blurred that it was impossible for the Commission to come to a safe and sound verdict. That is why for me the commission needs looking at and their verdict needs overturning.
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Re: Reds and police probe abuse of Oldham defender Tom Adeyemi (***)
« Reply #933 on: January 10, 2012, 05:46:14 PM »
Just received this from the BBC:

Good afternoon,

 

Thank you for your email.

 

That story has now been amended.

 

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Interesting. Wonder if it is worth bringing Taylor's comments to the attention of the Attorney General re: his apparent contempt of court then?

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Re: Reds and police probe abuse of Oldham defender Tom Adeyemi (***)
« Reply #934 on: January 10, 2012, 06:14:56 PM »
Just received this from the BBC:

Good afternoon,

 

Thank you for your email.

 

That story has now been amended.

 

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Wonder if it's worth e-mailing every rag who ran the quote.  :-X
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Re: Reds and police probe abuse of Oldham defender Tom Adeyemi (***)
« Reply #935 on: January 10, 2012, 06:22:11 PM »
If anyone is to complain about contempt, his solicitor can -- or a magistrate maybe.

Reads to me like he was speaking after talking to his union member, who told him he was subjected to a racist slur (yet to be proven/disproven). As they all do, they issue a press statement repeating what he had been told, but forgetting to add the phrase 'allegedly' or 'claims'. Given his role is to protect/act for his union members, its not the worst offence -- though obv very clumsy.


The point I was making as that Oldham have spoken to their player but they didn't make a ham-fisted attention grabbing statement like Taylor. Oldham could have been excused if they had made a blunder like that but Taylor is at the centre of this shit-storm and has made previous statements regarding the Suarez affair.

It is absolutely inexcusable for him to make such a prejudicial statement. If he's so fucking incompetent that he can't stop putting his size tens in his gob (and the evidence suggests he is) then he shouldn't be in the job, which is to support his members and not to be judge and jury in a possible criminal offence.
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Re: Reds and police probe abuse of Oldham defender Tom Adeyemi (***)
« Reply #936 on: January 10, 2012, 06:33:44 PM »
Just received this from the BBC:

Good afternoon,

 

Thank you for your email.

 

That story has now been amended.

 

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Re: Reds and police probe abuse of Oldham defender Tom Adeyemi (***)
« Reply #937 on: January 10, 2012, 06:53:52 PM »
The point I was making as that Oldham have spoken to their player but they didn't make a ham-fisted attention grabbing statement like Taylor. Oldham could have been excused if they had made a blunder like that but Taylor is at the centre of this shit-storm and has made previous statements regarding the Suarez affair.

It is absolutely inexcusable for him to make such a prejudicial statement. If he's so fucking incompetent that he can't stop putting his size tens in his gob (and the evidence suggests he is) then he shouldn't be in the job, which is to support his members and not to be judge and jury in a possible criminal offence.
Couldn't agree more - if he was my Union rep and was acting so unprofessionally (despite, no doubt, him thinking he's doing the player a favour) I would be looking for some answers at the very least.  Imagine if the accused is guilty and yet the case is dismissed because the one person who should always be supporting and doing right by you professionally managed to ruin the process purely because he made an ill-judged quote.

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« Reply #938 on: January 10, 2012, 07:29:34 PM »
Couldn't agree more - if he was my Union rep and was acting so unprofessionally (despite, no doubt, him thinking he's doing the player a favour) I would be looking for some answers at the very least. 

Or If he was your rep and didn't represent you at all.

 Interesting that Taylor is the honorary president of FIFPro (the World Players Union) and was it's president for many years. 

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And one of FIFPro members is http://www.mutual.com.uy/ The Uruguayan players union.

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« Reply #939 on: January 10, 2012, 07:45:19 PM »
Hernadez said it apparantly.

I've also seen a photo of Hernandez when they were playing the friendly wearing the official Manchester United blue and black kit with the words "El Negro" on the back of it.

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« Reply #940 on: January 10, 2012, 08:03:02 PM »
Hernadez said it apparantly.

I've also seen a photo of Hernandez when they were playing the friendly wearing the official Manchester United blue and black kit with the words "El Negro" on the back of it.
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« Reply #941 on: January 10, 2012, 08:14:00 PM »
Great statement from OAFC saw it on North West Tonight where a good chunk of it was read out. Well done as well to the local BBC.

It prompted me to write the following to OAFC :-

I would like to express my thanks to all at OAFC for the statement released by the club re the incident at Anfield surrounding Tom Adeyami and a Liverpool supporter during the recent FA cup match.

It was refreshing to see such a dignified response to the incident by Tom and the other players and staff from OAFC. Of course all Liverpool supporters abhor racism in any form and if the fan in question is found guilty of racism towards Tom we all hope he feels the full force of the law. Liverpool FC will also ban him for life.

I hope the ill advised statement from Gordon Taylor of the PFA saying that it had been CONFIRMED that Tom was racially abused does not lead to any prejudice in the case being used to allow the individual to escape justice on a technicality. The BBC has already removed the statement from their report after a reader pointed out that it was likely to be in contempt of court whilst the police investigation was still underway. Other newspapers would be well advised to do the same.

I have no doubt at all that Tom was convinced that he heard something racial said to him at the game. I really hope it is proved that Tom has misheard the words used. After the Luis Suarez case and the subsequent uncalled for media coverage we can all understand how tensions can rise and I really hope that the evidence in the case points to a genuine misunderstanding and the matter is dropped by the police and with Toms blessing without any charges needing to be made.

Once again thank you for your most helpful statement at this trying time for LFC. I am sure LFC, Kenny Dalglish the players and supporters are united in their appreciation.

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« Reply #942 on: January 10, 2012, 08:15:10 PM »
Interesting. Wonder if it is worth bringing Taylor's comments to the attention of the Attorney General re: his apparent contempt of court then?

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Thank you for your email.

 

That story has now been amended.

 

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Do you have the original screenshots of the pages.  If so please pm with your details.  I work in the legal sector and I am sure Mr Stramer will have to sit up and take notice of a complaint from someone who is an officer of the court.
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Re: Reds and police probe abuse of Oldham defender Tom Adeyemi (***)
« Reply #943 on: January 10, 2012, 08:21:42 PM »
Great statement from OAFC saw it on North West Tonight where a good chunk of it was read out. Well done as well to the local BBC.

It prompted me to write the following to OAFC :-

I would like to express my thanks to all at OAFC for the statement released by the club re the incident at Anfield surrounding Tom Adeyami and a Liverpool supporter during the recent FA cup match.

It was refreshing to see such a dignified response to the incident by Tom and the other players and staff from OAFC. Of course all Liverpool supporters abhor racism in any form and if the fan in question is found guilty of racism towards Tom we all hope he feels the full force of the law. Liverpool FC will also ban him for life.

I hope the ill advised statement from Gordon Taylor of the PFA saying that it had been CONFIRMED that Tom was racially abused does not lead to any prejudice in the case being used to allow the individual to escape justice on a technicality. The BBC has already removed the statement from their report after a reader pointed out that it was likely to be in contempt of court whilst the police investigation was still underway. Other newspapers would be well advised to do the same.

I have no doubt at all that Tom was convinced that he heard something racial said to him at the game. I really hope it is proved that Tom has misheard the words used. After the Luis Suarez case and the subsequent uncalled for media coverage we can all understand how tensions can rise and I really hope that the evidence in the case points to a genuine misunderstanding and the matter is dropped by the police and with Toms blessing without any charges needing to be made.

Once again thank you for your most helpful statement at this trying time for LFC. I am sure LFC, Kenny Dalglish the players and supporters are united in their appreciation.

If you are going to send this mate, I would look again at the highlighted line. Tom believes he was racially abused. Whatever the outcome of the case, I doubt it will 'prove' to Tom that he misheard. Just my observation.
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Re: Reds and police probe abuse of Oldham defender Tom Adeyemi (***)
« Reply #944 on: January 10, 2012, 08:29:40 PM »
If you are going to send this mate, I would look again at the highlighted line. Tom believes he was racially abused. Whatever the outcome of the case, I doubt it will 'prove' to Tom that he misheard. Just my observation.

Understand your point mate. Thats why the sentence just before that reads "I have no doubt at all that Tom was convinced that he heard something racial said to him at the game." If the cops show him a shit load of evidence that he was actually called something else then I really do hope it sets his mind at ease. Too late now anyway its gone. If he gets to read it Im sure he will understand what I am trying to say, apparently he is a clever lad  :)

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Re: Reds and police probe abuse of Oldham defender Tom Adeyemi (***)
« Reply #945 on: January 10, 2012, 08:32:53 PM »
Understand your point mate. Thats why the sentence just before that reads "I have no doubt at all that Tom was convinced that he heard something racial said to him at the game." If the cops show him a shit load of evidence that he was actually called something else then I really do hope it sets his mind at ease. Too late now anyway its gone. If he gets to read it Im sure he will understand what I am trying to say, apparently he is a clever lad  :)

What if there is not a 'shit load' of evidence that he was not called what he believes he was called, but not enough evidence that he was to prosecute. Which will likely be the case.
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Re: Reds and police probe abuse of Oldham defender Tom Adeyemi (***)
« Reply #946 on: January 10, 2012, 08:39:47 PM »
What if there is not a 'shit load' of evidence that he was not called what he believes he was called, but not enough evidence that he was to prosecute. Which will likely be the case.

Then it will be up to the lad to make up his own mind. They seem happy that the club and police have done a thorough job of collecting the evidence so I dont see that its unreasonable to think that they would accept the outcome of that evidence. Anyway its a thank you for the statement and me making the point that I hope it was a misunderstanding and that if it was racial abuse the fan should get whats coming to him from the law. Im sure he will see that however badly I have written it  :)

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« Reply #947 on: January 10, 2012, 09:31:34 PM »
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We should start giving them the ammo - like that recent Wordpress article.....let's hope they grill the FA on their discipline procedure......
Steve Rotheram is on the Committee so I agree we should send then everything we have.
We should also see if it's possible to put witnesses on oath just in case Evra and Suarez are called.
We might not win first time around but it would nice to have their evidence on record in case we have to revisit the issue when things have calmed down and the whole truth comes out.
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« Reply #948 on: January 10, 2012, 09:51:52 PM »
Be interesting if the Government can be brought in over this. They can't be happy there is system in place that clearly allows such decisions to be made with no real recourse to appeal.

The FA would love this to go away, but I can see it rumbling on for years. The fact is that any reasonable person can see the massive injustice in their decision. They even state as much in their own 115 page report. To cherry pick evidence that helps your case while clearly documenting evidence you have chosen to discard 'because it doesn't' is disgusting in itself.

Then we have these pictures and stories and videos which are undermining their decision by the day.

I'm delighted that Steve Rotheram MP has brought this matter up to discuss within the government.  This could mean that we get the truth behind the ruling.  Looking at other committee meetings that have been shown on the parliament channel, there's every possibility that people from the FA and maybe even members from the club will be called to give their view of whats gone on.  It may be a bit of a circus for a while, but if it helps us get to the truth then it can't be a bad thing.
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Re: Reds and police probe abuse of Oldham defender Tom Adeyemi (***)
« Reply #949 on: January 10, 2012, 09:54:05 PM »
I'm delighted that Steve Rotheram MP has brought this matter up to discuss within the government.  This could mean that we get the truth behind the ruling.  Looking at other committee meetings that have been shown on the parliament channel, there's every possibility that people from the FA and maybe even members from the club will be called to give their view of whats gone on.  It may be a bit of a circus for a while, but if it helps us get to the truth then it can't be a bad thing.

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Re: Reds and police probe abuse of Oldham defender Tom Adeyemi (***)
« Reply #950 on: January 10, 2012, 09:54:57 PM »
I'm delighted that Steve Rotheram MP has brought this matter up to discuss within the government.  This could mean that we get the truth behind the ruling.  Looking at other committee meetings that have been shown on the parliament channel, there's every possibility that people from the FA and maybe even members from the club will be called to give their view of whats gone on.  It may be a bit of a circus for a while, but if it helps us get to the truth then it can't be a bad thing.
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« Reply #951 on: January 10, 2012, 10:07:10 PM »
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Re: Reds and police probe abuse of Oldham defender Tom Adeyemi (***)
« Reply #952 on: January 11, 2012, 04:02:59 PM »
Powar just doesn't know when to stop:-

 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/liverpool/9006825/Liverpool-fans-should-show-support-for-Tom-Adeyemi-not-Luis-Suarez.html


 Liverpool fans should repair their "damaged" reputations by showing support for Tom Adeyemi, rather than Luis Suarez, according a leading anti-racism campaigner.

Oldham player Adeyemi claims he was racially abused at Anfield during the FA Cup third round tie on Friday night, and Piara Powar, executive director of European anti-racism network FARE, called on the Kop to offer an emphatic rejection of discrimination.

He also said supporters should stop wearing the ‘Suarez’ T-shirts donned by the team at manager Kenny Dalglish’s instruction following his ban.

"I'm afraid there is no question that the club's approach has stoked this affair, and there is now a highly charged atmosphere around the issue. The Suarez T-shirts surely no longer have a place at Anfield,” Powar said.

"This has done a lot of damage to Liverpool FC and in many people's eyes to English football.

"We have a young footballer in Tom Adeyemi who was abused quite badly at Anfield. Young footballers do not get that upset without due cause. The abuser has been charged and it is for the courts to decide the context of it.

"But it is time surely that progressive fans stepped forward and started to be active in this debate. The challenge is two-fold. The first part is to show support to Adeyemi at this weekend’s game.

“Why not use one of those fantastic choreographies on the Kop to show categorically that Liverpool fans are against racism and discrimination of all kinds. That although it was one mindless person who was involved, he was a Liverpool fan, and they take collective responsibility for what happened.

"Secondly, I would say it is time for progressive fans to tell the club and Kenny Dalglish that enough is enough, this episode has done a lot of damage to Liverpool FC, and the manager, as their spokesperson, needs to publicly start to calm the waters.

“A club position that says, enough is enough, Suarez is serving his ban and everyone at Liverpool should move on and try to build bridges, would be very welcome."
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Re: Reds and police probe abuse of Oldham defender Tom Adeyemi (***)
« Reply #953 on: January 11, 2012, 04:23:26 PM »
Is Piara Powar correct in saying that the guy has been charged? I thought he wad still on bail? I may have missed it though
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Re: Reds and police probe abuse of Oldham defender Tom Adeyemi (***)
« Reply #954 on: January 11, 2012, 04:27:05 PM »
"One started it and then others followed, pockets of fans making monkey noises whenever Daniel Alves touched the ball. It was by no means the majority, but it was clearly audible. Some were mimicking a monkey, many of them were laughing. They only did it with Alves, not Eric Abidal, a black Barca player.
"I was angry and asked them what they were doing. Some of them laughed and said it was only a bit of fun. Those closest to me stopped when they saw me object."
Those were the words from a friend who is an Espanyol season ticket holder. I was on the opposite side of the stadium and knew nothing of the monkey noises during Sunday's Catalan derby between Espanyol and Barca, but plenty heard the racist noises in other parts of the ground.
Fans are back in the news in Spain. Not headline news. The headlines in Madrid's press celebrated Real Madrid going five points clear of Barcelona after the Catalans drew against their neighbours. Pep Guardiola's side may be better than Jose Mourinho's men, they may beat them season after season, but it's Madrid who can afford to lose another clasico and still win the league.
The Catalan media are not taking the dropped points lightly, with the focus on an alleged injury-time handball which could have been a penalty, but wasn't. So Barcelona didn't score the penalty that wasn't given and could only draw with their noisy neighbours. Thankfully, the overwhelming pro-Barca Catalan media could bury that bad news in a flurry of individual awards on Monday night in Zurich, much like the racist chanting was buried deep in the pages of the newspapers after the Catalan derby.
There was much good and much bad about the fans in Spain last weekend. Promoted Granada took 5,000 to the Santiago Bernabeu and unlike the thousands of Real Madrid fans who streamed out of the stadium well before the end of the game, they watched the full 90 minutes. Madrilenos had seen their team demolish Granada with five goals, but it was the visiting fans up on the stadium's highest tiers who made the most noise. Such sizeable away followings are rare in Spain and no team has taken more than 5,000 fans to a league game since half of Gijon descended on La Coruna two years ago.
The Granada fans in red and white who'd travelled from one of Spain's prettiest cities in Andalusia 400 kilometres away were making the most of a first visit to the Bernabeu in 35 years, but to put this in perspective and not overstate the loyalty on show, Granada were not even attracting 5,000 fans for home games two seasons ago.
When teams are promoted, you see a surge in fan interest. Fellow Andalusians Cadiz took thousands away when they came up in 2005. They all wore yellow and sang happy songs about only being there for the beer. Everybody loved their fans, except maybe their partners at home.
But there's a darker side to Spanish fandom. It isn't the mainstream, but almost every club has an extremist fringe which latches onto it. Some of them are among the clubs' most loyal supporters and travel everywhere, but their politics and actions are extreme. Espanyol have one such fringe.
They're diminishing in numbers and the club want nothing to do with them. That may sound like a given, but plenty of club presidents in Spain are in cahoots with the ultra groups and aid them with tickets and travel.

The Espanyol manager and chairman both condemned the racist chanting, while highlighting the passion of the rest of the fans. And the atmosphere was superb on Sunday, a febrile arena of noise and flags like "Qatar is Not Catalonia" and "Catalonia is More Than One Club" — both being digs at Barca.
Not for the first time though, the racist chanting at Espanyol went beyond a lunatic fringe element and sullied what should have been a great night as their team got an 86th minute equaliser against the planet's best side, a goal scored by a 20-year-old local boy.
Racism at football in Spain is like England 25 years ago. I used to stand on the Stretford End at Old Trafford and hear it regularly in the 80s as you did at many other English grounds.
Thankfully, you don't hear it these days and you see lots more black faces at English football grounds, but it hasn't been completely eradicated on or off the pitch. As if watching the 1-6 wasn't bad enough for this Manchester United fan, hearing "Balotelli you black b******" four or five times from someone sitting a few rows behind made it even worse. That's the thing with seating at football, you can't move away like you can on a terrace and identifying the perpetrator is not easy when he's behind you. But that was just one racist.
Most Espanyol fans are not racist and most didn't make monkey noises, but plenty did. If you ask them why, their answers highlight a latent racism, ignorance, lack of decency and respect. They can't see that some of their own black players would be offended by racist abuse. Probably some of these fans may be a bit thick too.
They genuinely don't think it's offensive and feel that any media reaction is an over reaction. Yet it's only by the media highlighting the issue that it can be tackled. Not every black player is like Samuel Eto'o and confronts racism head on by shaming those responsible and demanding action rather ignoring the abuse and hoping that it goes away. And it's only by continuing to highlight the backward behaviour of some in Spain that more will be done to address it.

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Re: Reds and police probe abuse of Oldham defender Tom Adeyemi (***)
« Reply #955 on: January 11, 2012, 04:29:02 PM »
Is Piara Powar correct in saying that the guy has been charged? I thought he wad still on bail? I may have missed it though
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Re: Reds and police probe abuse of Oldham defender Tom Adeyemi (***)
« Reply #956 on: January 11, 2012, 04:30:27 PM »
Powar just doesn't know when to stop:-

 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/liverpool/9006825/Liverpool-fans-should-show-support-for-Tom-Adeyemi-not-Luis-Suarez.html


 Liverpool fans should repair their "damaged" reputations by showing support for Tom Adeyemi, rather than Luis Suarez, according a leading anti-racism campaigner.

Oldham player Adeyemi claims he was racially abused at Anfield during the FA Cup third round tie on Friday night, and Piara Powar, executive director of European anti-racism network FARE, called on the Kop to offer an emphatic rejection of discrimination.

He also said supporters should stop wearing the ‘Suarez’ T-shirts donned by the team at manager Kenny Dalglish’s instruction following his ban.

"I'm afraid there is no question that the club's approach has stoked this affair, and there is now a highly charged atmosphere around the issue. The Suarez T-shirts surely no longer have a place at Anfield,” Powar said.

"This has done a lot of damage to Liverpool FC and in many people's eyes to English football.

"We have a young footballer in Tom Adeyemi who was abused quite badly at Anfield. Young footballers do not get that upset without due cause. The abuser has been charged and it is for the courts to decide the context of it.

"But it is time surely that progressive fans stepped forward and started to be active in this debate. The challenge is two-fold. The first part is to show support to Adeyemi at this weekend’s game.

“Why not use one of those fantastic choreographies on the Kop to show categorically that Liverpool fans are against racism and discrimination of all kinds. That although it was one mindless person who was involved, he was a Liverpool fan, and they take collective responsibility for what happened.

"Secondly, I would say it is time for progressive fans to tell the club and Kenny Dalglish that enough is enough, this episode has done a lot of damage to Liverpool FC, and the manager, as their spokesperson, needs to publicly start to calm the waters.

“A club position that says, enough is enough, Suarez is serving his ban and everyone at Liverpool should move on and try to build bridges, would be very welcome."

Is there anything that anyone can do to stop this moron saying just what he feel likes? He is surely making things far worse & in my eyes near enough promoting positive discrimination!
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Re: Reds and police probe abuse of Oldham defender Tom Adeyemi (***)
« Reply #957 on: January 11, 2012, 04:31:14 PM »
Powar just doesn't know when to stop:-

 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/liverpool/9006825/Liverpool-fans-should-show-support-for-Tom-Adeyemi-not-Luis-Suarez.html


 Liverpool fans should repair their "damaged" reputations by showing support for Tom Adeyemi, rather than Luis Suarez, according a leading anti-racism campaigner.

Oldham player Adeyemi claims he was racially abused at Anfield during the FA Cup third round tie on Friday night, and Piara Powar, executive director of European anti-racism network FARE, called on the Kop to offer an emphatic rejection of discrimination.

He also said supporters should stop wearing the ‘Suarez’ T-shirts donned by the team at manager Kenny Dalglish’s instruction following his ban.

"I'm afraid there is no question that the club's approach has stoked this affair, and there is now a highly charged atmosphere around the issue. The Suarez T-shirts surely no longer have a place at Anfield,” Powar said.

"This has done a lot of damage to Liverpool FC and in many people's eyes to English football.

"We have a young footballer in Tom Adeyemi who was abused quite badly at Anfield. Young footballers do not get that upset without due cause. The abuser has been charged and it is for the courts to decide the context of it.

"But it is time surely that progressive fans stepped forward and started to be active in this debate. The challenge is two-fold. The first part is to show support to Adeyemi at this weekend’s game.

“Why not use one of those fantastic choreographies on the Kop to show categorically that Liverpool fans are against racism and discrimination of all kinds. That although it was one mindless person who was involved, he was a Liverpool fan, and they take collective responsibility for what happened.

"Secondly, I would say it is time for progressive fans to tell the club and Kenny Dalglish that enough is enough, this episode has done a lot of damage to Liverpool FC, and the manager, as their spokesperson, needs to publicly start to calm the waters.

“A club position that says, enough is enough, Suarez is serving his ban and everyone at Liverpool should move on and try to build bridges, would be very welcome."


If he's happy for us to take collective responsibility, then as a Chelsea fan he takes collective responsibility for the abuse Anton Ferdinand got off Terry and later off Chelsea fans.

This makes Powar a racist who should resign immediately.

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« Reply #958 on: January 11, 2012, 04:34:56 PM »
Is Piara Powar correct in saying that the guy has been charged? I thought he wad still on bail? I may have missed it though

No he hasn't as far as I'm aware. Powar should really shut the fuck up. I defended him initially but he seems to enjoy the limelight a bit too much and has no concern about either facts or balance, which you would think would be a disadvantage for someone in his position.
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« Reply #959 on: January 11, 2012, 04:36:34 PM »
No he hasn't as far as I'm aware. Powar should really shut the fuck up. I defended him initially but he seems to enjoy the limelight a bit too much and has no concern about either facts or balance, which you would think would be a disadvantage for someone in his position.

He's in contempt of court surely?
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