Topic: Man City 3-0 Liverpool: Full time......

[Cooper-Man]

no shit sherlock! He just saying people are bitching like were relegation material! I agree with him to many c*nts support this team now who bitch and dont know how to support the club. Fucking pathetic!

Everyone has a right to be PISSED OFF at some individual players. If some of our players pulled thier heads in and played to thier value and the strengths of which we bought them for we would be challenging for the title. And I mean that in all honesty. We should have won every game bar maybe this one and the spurs game. We have missed penalties, hit the woodwork and missed ONE ON ONE chances that past players or Stevie would have taken. I.E Downing today.

We bought Adam for his set pieces. Apart from the goal Suarez scored in he frist round, how many has he delivered that are worth talking about..................NONE.

Come on, lets all be honest.

[Ziggy09]

Should have scored through Downing and then that mistake by Pepe set us back massively. Rallied again quite well I thought, but to concede again from a corner was very poor. 2nd half never got going and then just when we could, the 3rd goal came.

Not worried about playing City though....yes they scored 3 but thats all they really did bar a shot or two...just defended very well against whatever we did. Am worried about our defence though, started to concede own goals and mistakes now.

Also worried that none of the new big money signings wanna "step up". Downing, Carroll, Adam and Henderson can and have shown they can perform at this level but they look gutless at the moment. It always falls back to Gerrard, Bellamy or Suarez to have to do something and take hold of the game. Sadly Kuyt is now coming to the end and Maxi is a bit hit and miss.

Maybe now with Luis out, Carroll will start the next 8 games....by the end of which we will have an idea of whether he is worth it or not. Play him upto with Maxi, Bellamy on the left, Downing on the right and Gerrard and Spearing in the middle. Rest Adam and Henderson.

[GonzalezIsARed]

Wow after reading the past few pages I don't even want to post my thoughts on the game the amount of so called 'fans' on here calling for pepe's head etc. I actually cannot believe it. Its the same on Twitter thats just full of gobshites who just talk rubbish

[Xabinator]

For what it's worth, my thoughts on the match and in general:

Quite obviously, Pepe was not great last night and has made the odd blunder this season. Certainly no reason for anyone to doubt him long term. I just long for the day an oppo keeper has a stinker against us!!

I think we have the best left side of defence in the league. Enrique is solid as fuck defensively and uses the ball so well moving forward, as does Agger. I thought that again, both of them were great last night despite the team conceding three.

Skrtel was probably due a bad one - if that can be said - he's been fantastic this season but was a little sloppy on occasions last night. Onwards and upwards.

Downing - infuriating, the amount of times he sprints to take a defender on yet almost every single time he stops, props and plays a short pass backwards. As a general rule we just don't put opponents to the sword enough. Bellamy did when he came on and just about every attack City launched involved their attackers....and the ball, moving forwards - surging, if you will. Back onto Downing, specifically, one has to wonder what may have occur afterwards, had he knocked his early chance in. Which he should have.

Kuyt - well he's been my favourite Red for 5-6 years now and he'll always be one of my favourite Reds but I think I've finally fallen into the 'putting Dirk out to pasture' barrel. I still think there are games that he has plenty to offer, but he's not looking like a cog that fits the machine at the moment. The thing that actually led me to believe this is that he was always getting himself into positions to score from rebounds, loose balls in the box and at the goal mouth - probably our best at it - but he's starting to lag behind even in this area at the moment. And as the saying goes, he won't get any younger from here.

Henderson - really, really like this kid and what he seems capable of becoming. Some of his passing has been outstanding the last few weeks, with Stevie's goal and the ball to Downing last night being obvious examples. Has a massive future with us and his determination to harass and chase ANY ball is a delight to watch.

The same goes for Jay in that regard. He's like a Jack Russell (not your old wicketkeeper!) the way he fights to win the ball. I don't know that he's got a big enough frame to really do a lot of damage for us, when you consider his size as opposed to midfielders like Yaya Toure. Just the difference between the way Yaya ran his own race last night, and the way he was stifled last time we played them shows this IMO. I don't remember us dispossessing him at any stage last night. Maybe unfair to compare Jay to Lucas in that sense though, seeing as Lucas is the best tackler in the league.

Bellamy - must start whenever he feels 100%. Gets the ball and runs at the opposition. He's forever asking questions of the opposition defence and we need 3-4, even 5 players in the 11 to be doing this when we attack and putting these defenders under pressure.

Big Andy - I think he is definitely worth persisting with but geez, he really needs to get himself into some better positions to score. His positional sense just seems all out of whack at the moment. When he does manage to get his head on the ball near goal of late, it's usually with him moving away from the goal, thus taking a lot of power off his shots. It's probably a mix of his positioning and the types of crosses coming in but whatever you put it down to, it ain't working at the moment. Bit of a baby giraffe with his footwork at the moment too!! Still, if one finds the net, it may just be the spark he needs. The one that hit the bar last week being the obvious example of what might have been.

Gutted we've let Luis' suspension stand. To be honest I don't know if it's the right or wrong thing to do but it's just depressing to think of the next 7 games without him terrifying opposition backlines.

And for all the shite results - this loss, the Spurs, Stoke, Fulham losses - plus the horrible draws to Norwich, Wigan, Blackburn, Swansea etc.......... we are 3 points of the CL places!! So much to play for and to be optimistic about looking forward.

Anyway, sorry if I've dribbled on - just my thoughts on the current state of affairs.

EDIT: missed one of my points...... regarding the surging forward and attacking the opposition defence. It was for that reason alone that Barry was dismissed.....Agger made a surging and obviously dangerous run with the ball, at which point Barry had to make a decision. Under pressure he made the wrong decision and off he went.

[RedinExile]

Kenny is simply picking up the broken pieces left over by the gross mismanagement of our previous board.

Absolutely, sadly we had Moores who couldn't turn a PC on, way before that a manager who thought interviews with the S*n was a good idea and then of course, things like Purslow telling Liverpool fans at the game Rafa was as good as gone before sacking him on holiday. Hmm, what else, a thorough check of Tom Hicks which involved....er...taking George's word for it, a stadium that has been getting built for 25 years, fans that boo at going top after a draw at home, ex-players slagging managers off to take the xenophobic pennies spilling from from the media's gluttonous table...

I said on here long ago it amazes me we are even still in the top flight given the gross mismanagement, complete incompetence and sheer ineptitude of those running the club for fucking twenty years. Dion Fanning's article that 'soon the Benitez years will be seen as a Golden era', mocked on here by the usual pricks, is starting to look worryingly Nostradumus-esque.

Let's have a revolution, let's have Steve Bruce like us. Fuckinell.

New owners look good. Kenny knows us inside out. But why we keep giving ourselves a mountain to climb is beyond me.

[muyuu]

We LOST.

I honestly cannot understand this reply. How is losing related to supporting or not?

[Nebraska Red]

my fear is that if AC starts the majority of the next 7 games, we'll still be struggling to score and drifting out of contention for 4th.

hopefully, we get a win and a favorable 4th round tie in the FA Cup.

Me, I'd not play AC in league games and play a more mobile forward line that does not include Downing.

[GonzalezIsARed]

I share your views. Spot on.

[24/7]

We LOST.

"If you can't support us when we lose or draw, don't support us when we win."

Recognise that?

If so, understand what it MEANS!

If not, sod off and whinge on another forum.

Here endeth the lesson.

[FernandoTourettes]

One thought re: Downings shooting. Next time he goes off with England, he really needs to get some shooting tips from Adam Johnson when he is cutting into the box from the right. Downing always shoots near post and low. Aside from one shot which hit the post a month or so back, the keeper is rarely tested - as any keeper will instinctively protect their near post.

Johnson almost always favours the far post, it's almost a trademark as we saw when he hit the post today. But aside from testing a keeper at stretch (and thus creating more chance of a fumble/rebound ), it gives other attacking players a chance to stick a leg out for a goalward bound deflection. End of thought.

[LiverPete]

Easily.

Not if every second shot that gets pass the defence goes in. Reina is not doing it for me this year, or the last. And please don't question my faith, heart, tolerance, truthfulness, sanity, eyesight or commitment to Liverpool FC on that. Reina is not the best keeper in the country now and he's not the best in his home country either. European and World Champions medals without ever having to play a single game. Zidane's headbutting is more recent news than Pepe's last brilliant save...

[harleydanger]

They had two goals from GK'ing mistakes and a penalty when we were chasing the game. They didn't have much more of a sniff, certainly not more than us. Kenny & Clarke are sending the right sides out, playing the right football, it's just the players can't finish. The difference between being 5th or 6th and third, for our club, is that not one player can seem to finish with any consistency, and it's not just Carroll's fault, or Downings, it's the whole attacking group as I can't think of one player ahead of the back four that hasn't missed a sitter. Everything else spouted about our shittness is pretty much mute or bullshit.

[thecrouch]

I honestly cannot understand this reply. How is losing related to supporting or not?

There is support and there is blind faith / borderline delusion.

If you think our attack is not of major concern then your head is in the sand.

There is no reason why supporters cannot be realistic and the realists among us will know that we need to strengthen our attack. We may only be a few points off 4th spot but if we had a decent attack we could be even further up the table!

Unless of course, people are happy to settle for a few points off fourth when we have the potential for so much more, then by all means lets not bother improving.

We may have lost against the best team in the league tonight but that was not the first game this season we have dropped points due to our inability to put the ball in the net, and unless we up our game it won't be the last.

[UNO]

Given the players not available for the game, I thought we did not play as bad as some made out here. However, if we are hoping to have any chance to make the top 4, we have to buy a few players in January and keep Kuyt, Downing and Adam away from the starting 11. Carroll deserves a chance to play with better players to see if he can deliver but he really needs to work very hard.

[AnfieldRD19]

I've believed this all along. I've said it on here too and the delusional moderators banned me for saying this...Carroll is an absolute waste for £35 million. For christ sakes we could have gotten two other strikers that are far better for that kind of money. We need to sell him as soon as we can

[Cooper-Man]

"If you can't support us when we lose or draw, don't support us when we win."

Recognise that?

If so, understand what it MEANS!

If not, sod off and whinge on another forum.

Here endeth the lesson.

I am supporting the club, manager, officials and the TEAM. However, when is enough, enough?

Whe do you draw the line and say "this player is NOT GOOD ENOUGH". There are some players in the squad that cost the club alot of money and they are jsut that. Not good enough.

I want to see some youth be tested. Could they be as bad as some of the first team players???

Come on lets not go down the road of dont supoprt the team. We all have a right to vent. Isnt that what forums are for. Discussion?

[Nebraska Red]

I've believed this all along. I've said it on here too and the delusional moderators banned me for saying this...Carroll is an absolute waste for £35 million. For christ sakes we could have gotten two other strikers that are far better for that kind of money. We need to sell him as soon as we can

totally agree, and if we sell Carrol we get rid of Downing as he's only there to provide service for the forwards, something he is clearly not good at.

[Waka]

Just shows you how much we're really behind.

Good performance again, need to get that spot otherwise there will be a meltdown and i don't want to be here when it happens

[Heighwayondawing]

If the player wants away because he isn't getting played, what's your take on that situation?

I can't see a player who really wanted to be at LFC wanting away for lack of playing time. I'm hoping that player would put the work in and earn his place. If he's not playing because he's not good enough, well that's a decision for the club to make.

[CHOPPER]

Just shows you how much we're really behind.

Good performance again, need to get that spot otherwise there will be a meltdown and i don't want to be here when it happens

By far the better team and we're behind? Hmmmmm...... please, tell me you've just caught the king of the piss takes......please? say it is so superman?.....

The rest is like me sitting at a bar saying drinking is bad for me and ordering another treble jack on ice whilst saying; how shit this drink is if it wasn't for the ice.......or something like that.

[lehman_bros]

it makes you more frustrating when u know Downing price is not much lesser than Silva



what a waste of 20M

[rafasreturn]

Every attack was channelled through the wings, because the side does not know how to attack through the centre. O' how it makes one yearn for the Rafa 'glory' days, when you'd have Gerrard, Kuyt and Benayoun each darting off and around Torres, Insua and Arbeloa ensuring they had the room to do so by maintaining width, and Alonso picking everyone out from deep. Things are simply too static at the minute, and while we consistently rack up a high count on the shots tally each and every week, our lack of goals is testament to the fact that the attacking movement and fluidity simply does not exist to ensure these shots are executed from enough threatening positions. There simply is no cohesion in attack; we forage forward with the conviction of an armless dart-thrower; you have Adam and Henderson, and possibly Gerrard when he plays, stood around near the centre circle, with one of the three occasionally bursting forward with the timing and panache of a drunk, and then Downing and Kuyt or Maxi, who position themselves on the touchline and remain utterly determined to stay there, while Carroll stands hopelessly on the edge of the area, awaiting a through ball to latch onto as if it were the second Messiah; it never arrives. Enrique and Johnson then bound forward every so often, to confuse things even more - watch the Wigan game for this comedy of attacking errors at its best. The reason we appear to play so well when Suarez is in the side is because his movement quite literally forces other players to shift their arses; he'll drop to the wing, drop deep, and find penetrating passes which encourage his teammates to move out of position and into a more dangerous one.

Where does the fault lie? I'm sorry to say this, yet it is the coach; we've become, I'm sorry to say, far too predictable. Yes we have a lot of shots, yet far too often do we fail to peel a defence's organisation open through the middle, because, I repeat, the movement just does not exist. The tragedy is, we do have the players for it to exist! Downing, Suarez and Gerrard(or Henderson) would make a significantly better attacking trident than the best three Rafa had to work with, and it'd be awesome to see them playing just off Carroll in the classic Benitez setup. You could then play Adam deeper accompanied by Lucas(currently Spearing of course); I feel our approach play would benefit endlessly, as with two powerful fullbacks in Enrique and Johnson driving forward to stretch play, our attacking midfield three then hold the luxury to fluidly roam and interchange within the final third. Carroll would also benefit in finally having men close to him who could provide passes for him to strike or run onto. Unfortunately, this isn't Dalglish's game at the minute; I admire his attempts to play a possession-based style of football immensely, yet it's our approach play within the final third which is in serious need of reconstruction. 

[RedinExile]

I can't see a player who really wanted to be at LFC wanting away for lack of playing time. I'm hoping that player would put the work in and earn his place. If he's not playing because he's not good enough, well that's a decision for the club to make.

But you get situations like Agger and Hodgson where - fair enough I'm reading between the lines here - if the Hodge hadn't been quite soooooooooo shite, Agger might have thought 'fuck this', if the Hodge had indeed got more time.

My point being players who want to leave aren't always disrespectful nobs, maybe the club gets it wrong too?

[Redsnappa]

But you get situations like Agger and Hodgson where - fair enough I'm reading between the lines here - if the Hodge hadn't been quite soooooooooo shite, Agger might have thought 'fuck this', if the Hodge had indeed got more time.

My point being players who want to leave aren't always disrespectful nobs, maybe the club gets it wrong too?

Not just the Player or the Club that can cause these problems - there's also the little matter of Dressing Room politics... that is, if yer face don't fit, it's time for pastures new.

[Borninbethlehem]

Pull ye selves together and be patient. Liverpool FC is a work in progress. Kenny needs time. If in 6 years we still haven't got Champions League football then we may need a different manager, but until then we need to be patient!!

[Borninbethlehem]

it makes you more frustrating when u know Downing price is not much lesser than Silva



what a waste of 20M

I bet you wouldn't say that to Kennys face.

[Scousebeef]

Im pissed we lost, especially by such a margin! I always believe we should play to win no matter what, but on the other hand its chiseled a gap between City and United. After all City have payed a fortune for that title and Im sure they dont want United coming along and pinching it!!

[RedinExile]

Pull ye selves together and be patient. Liverpool FC is a work in progress. Kenny needs time. If in 6 years we still haven't got Champions League football then we may need a different manager, but until then we need to be patient!!

I think a club who was in the Final of the CL in 2005 and 2007 and was feared throughout the continent as recently as until the final year of G&H ought to have, and will have, greater aspirations than that, with respect.

[slimbo]

He is in position and waiting for a cross that never comes, doesn't reach him or is floated behind him whilst he is the lone red shirt surrounded by defenders.

Standing in a position surrounded by defenders for a cross that never comes is not positioning. It's simply a position, and a bad one at that. You actually just identified his problem.

[shelovesyou]

That 3rd goal was ridiculous. To have the ball and give it up like we did was out of
character.
Shame that.

[12Kings]

No consistency in this team, but you can't deny that it doesn't exactly help when your 2 bst players are off the team sheet now. Carroll seems completely in productive. I don't know what the fuck their trying to do with just pumping the ball into the box aimlessly. Where is the creativity? It's none existent, the build up is far to slow which is giving any opposition time to field a wall in front of goal.

I have to say, end of last season I had high hopes after some of our play in that latter part of 10/11 but now it seems we're just not progressing and sometimes even looks like we're moving backwards. The new signings all need to step it up. Only one of them has proved their worth and unfortunate he is now banned for 7 more matches. Owners need to spend serious money and wisely and has to be now if we want to salvage or go for that fourth spot.

[Waka]

By far the better team and we're behind? Hmmmmm...... please, tell me you've just caught the king of the piss takes......please? say it is so superman?.....

The rest is like me sitting at a bar saying drinking is bad for me and ordering another treble jack on ice whilst saying; how shit this drink is if it wasn't for the ice.......or something like that.

No idea what your saying lad, maybe you should stick with the JD and coke besides the trible

[Carra23]

The new signings all need to step it up. Only one of them has proved their worth and unfortunate he is now banned for 7 more matches.

Enrique & Bellamy?

[bclfc]

Wow.  Okay, here goes.  We of course made several errors throughout the match, which directly resulted in the goals they scored.  But let's not forget that "they" are one of, if not the, most expensive squad ever assembled, and they didn't make ONE goal by themselves. (The Skrtel "foul" which resulted in the penalty obviously wasn't one on replay).  I'm as dejected that we missed out on getting joint 4th with Chelsea, and there are certainly attacking options (or lack thereof) that need addressing, but the meltdown that always occurs on RAWK when we lose (everyone loses sometimes) is just f*cking stupid.  If you have constructive criticism about improving the team by all means share it, but good lord, at least admit that LFC is a club in transition from the darkest possible days, and be thankful we're still talking about football at all.

[artanis]

We will miss Lucas against the top sides.

We huffed and puffed a lot but the only thing we blew was ourselves. Again, plenty of possessions, shots, we got into the opposition half plenty but could not provide a single good cross. Toothless. We are named after a dragon on How to Train Your Dragon.
Pleased with the effort, furious with our inability to put the bsll in the net. Normally our defense bails us out but today goal keeping was bad and Skrtel was poor. We had no Mata/Silva/Modric type creator.
Money will need to be spent.

[RedBo]

"If you can't support us when we lose or draw, don't support us when we win."

Recognise that?

If so, understand what it MEANS!

If not, sod off and whinge on another forum.

Here endeth the lesson.

Oh man we've got to get a "like" button on here..

[SFiasco]

That 3rd goal was ridiculous. To have the ball and give it up like we did was out of
character.
Shame that.

Cracking dive though, even had Kenny fooled in the post-match interview. You are right though, totally uncharacteristic for us to get ourselves into that situation in the first place. The same with the goal from the corner and the first - all three goals that we will be fucking kicking ourselves for.

City have scored four this season against us. One was poor marking from a corner and it was a fluke off Kompany's shoulder, a weird strike and a mistake from Pepe, poor marking on another and the final one a fucking dive that Tom Daley would be proud of ( I admit I've robbed that line from someone off here  ). So fucking annoying.

[Suareznumber7]

Pull ye selves together and be patient. Liverpool FC is a work in progress. Kenny needs time. If in 6 years we still haven't got Champions League football then we may need a different manager, but until then we need to be patient!!

Fuck me.....6 years.  Don't think Henry and FSG are willing to wait that long mate. 

[vile76]

For what it's worth, my thoughts on the match and in general:

Quite obviously, Pepe was not great last night and has made the odd blunder this season. Certainly no reason for anyone to doubt him long term. I just long for the day an oppo keeper has a stinker against us!!

I think we have the best left side of defence in the league. Enrique is solid as fuck defensively and uses the ball so well moving forward, as does Agger. I thought that again, both of them were great last night despite the team conceding three.

Skrtel was probably due a bad one - if that can be said - he's been fantastic this season but was a little sloppy on occasions last night. Onwards and upwards.

Downing - infuriating, the amount of times he sprints to take a defender on yet almost every single time he stops, props and plays a short pass backwards. As a general rule we just don't put opponents to the sword enough. Bellamy did when he came on and just about every attack City launched involved their attackers....and the ball, moving forwards - surging, if you will. Back onto Downing, specifically, one has to wonder what may have occur afterwards, had he knocked his early chance in. Which he should have.

Kuyt - well he's been my favourite Red for 5-6 years now and he'll always be one of my favourite Reds but I think I've finally fallen into the 'putting Dirk out to pasture' barrel. I still think there are games that he has plenty to offer, but he's not looking like a cog that fits the machine at the moment. The thing that actually led me to believe this is that he was always getting himself into positions to score from rebounds, loose balls in the box and at the goal mouth - probably our best at it - but he's starting to lag behind even in this area at the moment. And as the saying goes, he won't get any younger from here.

Henderson - really, really like this kid and what he seems capable of becoming. Some of his passing has been outstanding the last few weeks, with Stevie's goal and the ball to Downing last night being obvious examples. Has a massive future with us and his determination to harass and chase ANY ball is a delight to watch.

The same goes for Jay in that regard. He's like a Jack Russell (not your old wicketkeeper!) the way he fights to win the ball. I don't know that he's got a big enough frame to really do a lot of damage for us, when you consider his size as opposed to midfielders like Yaya Toure. Just the difference between the way Yaya ran his own race last night, and the way he was stifled last time we played them shows this IMO. I don't remember us dispossessing him at any stage last night. Maybe unfair to compare Jay to Lucas in that sense though, seeing as Lucas is the best tackler in the league.

Bellamy - must start whenever he feels 100%. Gets the ball and runs at the opposition. He's forever asking questions of the opposition defence and we need 3-4, even 5 players in the 11 to be doing this when we attack and putting these defenders under pressure.

Big Andy - I think he is definitely worth persisting with but geez, he really needs to get himself into some better positions to score. His positional sense just seems all out of whack at the moment. When he does manage to get his head on the ball near goal of late, it's usually with him moving away from the goal, thus taking a lot of power off his shots. It's probably a mix of his positioning and the types of crosses coming in but whatever you put it down to, it ain't working at the moment. Bit of a baby giraffe with his footwork at the moment too!! Still, if one finds the net, it may just be the spark he needs. The one that hit the bar last week being the obvious example of what might have been.

Gutted we've let Luis' suspension stand. To be honest I don't know if it's the right or wrong thing to do but it's just depressing to think of the next 7 games without him terrifying opposition backlines.

And for all the shite results - this loss, the Spurs, Stoke, Fulham losses - plus the horrible draws to Norwich, Wigan, Blackburn, Swansea etc.......... we are 3 points of the CL places!! So much to play for and to be optimistic about looking forward.

Anyway, sorry if I've dribbled on - just my thoughts on the current state of affairs.

EDIT: missed one of my points...... regarding the surging forward and attacking the opposition defence. It was for that reason alone that Barry was dismissed.....Agger made a surging and obviously dangerous run with the ball, at which point Barry had to make a decision. Under pressure he made the wrong decision and off he went.

Pretty much my feelings.
Well said.

[muyuu]

We still have good chances this year for top-4. Some of you are overreacting.

The decision regarding Suarez stems precisely from this. It was the best timing so we can have him back for most of the 2nd part of the season. The club doesn't want to risk this because we have chances.