Topic: Aquilani buyout fee £5.2m

[NOTBORNIN1982]

I was replying point by point to him. It may sound pompous to you, but at least I do not belittle him or pass comment on his style. You on the other hand...

You still here?... we all want to have a grown-up conversation without you...

[subroc]

I prefer to openly disagree with someone rather than maliciously and subversely undermine and belittle them with rhetoric. It's purer, honest and you know where you stand. My old dad, who knew a thing or two, said to me  '...use education as a tool not a weapon'. I have tried to adhere to that principle throughout my life.

I have openly disagreed with Dalglish's errors on this forum whenever there was cause. I haev openly agred with him and praised him when I have seen something impressive that he did. I made no sly digs, I came out openly to declare it. Everyone knows where I stand on those issues. I have not hidden in the shadows to cast poisoned barbs at him in subtlety of rhetoric. So I too have adhered to that principle throughout my time here. 

I only wish you adhered as well to the principle not to cast the first stone just in case yuo live in a glasshouse. Not to presume you know my intentions and motives so clearly. Not to be prejudiced at my different way of expressing myself to cast aspersions of self-importance, impressing other people, etc etc on me.

[subroc]

You still here?... we all want to have a grown-up conversation without you...

If this is the room for grown up vconversation, then what are yuo doing here then? Kiddie room over there for you, mate.

[subroc]

It was pompous...... That's why the xerxes II mantle fits so well

xerxes1 was not pompous - he was just the proponent of lost causes...

[geoffstrong]

All Subroc had to say is yes I want Rafa back , I could respect that but his insidious digs at Kenny are evidence enough for me! As for the pomposity it is always the refuge of somebody losing an argument and using rhetoric to cover a poor point of view!

Mind you as just a fan who gives a monkeys how clever anyone thinks they are,  it's a forum some use big words to chat shit , some use a simple succinct sentence to answer the question well!

[Tepid water]

xerxes1 was not pompous - he was just the proponent of lost causes...

He was pompous by his own admission!

[Ipcress]

I want to make it clear that I respect you as I do most posters on this forum and I have nothing against you. But the fact of the matter is is that I am perfectly sincere in what I say and why i say it, and I try to obe as objective as I can be. My posts in the past will reflect this. I admit that I am uncompromising and logical to the point of being pedantic and overly-detail oriented, but that's just me. I answer every single point and I will answer them to the ultimate extent. It's a strength but it can be a weakness when dealing with people who are not like me.

I may have a wider vocabulary than some so forgive me if I use some words that some people may not commonly use. I am sure that you know many words that I do not customarily use. That does not give you the right to slander me for being self-important or to cast slurs on me accusing me of trying to impress people on this forum.

Now I am sure you have your own idiosyncracies too. But if I can put up with the endless carelessness and illogicality and put downs and mockery and ad hominem attacks that pass for intelligent conversation on this forum, then I am sure a little pedanticness from little old me will not spoil your tea.

I have nothing against Dalglish and I do not have an agenda against him. My sole purpose here - as I believe to be the same for most other people here - is the good of the club. When i see what I firmly believe to be irrational decisions made that damage the team, I speak up.

In any event it is irrelevant whether I have an axe to grind against him or not or whether I am trying to impress anybody. Even if you were right, it does not diminish the force of my arguments in any way. So quit with the personal attacks and concentrate on the arguments.

I for one appreciate your detail and use of logic, even if it does border on pedantry. Far better than the tabloidesque/George Bush-like arguments of loud and repeated means it most be true, reasoning is for intellectuals and what do they know about anything, if your not for me you're against Kenny, I have an opinion it can't be questioned and won't be explained crap that I've read on this thread.

And not even done with humour.

Unforgivable.

[NOTBORNIN1982]

I only wish you adhered as well to the principle not to cast the first stone just in case yuo live in a glasshouse. Not to presume you know my intentions and motives so clearly. Not to be prejudiced at my different way of expressing myself to cast aspersions of self-importance, impressing other people, etc etc on me.

This is from the bible right... your playing Jesus...? 

[Pistolero]

subroc...word of advice...put the shovel down and step away from the hole

[subroc]

All Subroc had to say is yes I want Rafa back , I could respect that but his insidious digs at Kenny are evidence enough for me! As for the pomposity it is always the refuge of somebody losing an argument and using rhetoric to cover a poor point of view!

Mind you as just a fan who gives a monkeys how clever anyone thinks they are,  it's a forum some use big words to chat shit , some use a simple succinct sentence to answer the question well!

I make no digs nor insidious digs at any one. I made all my objections to Dalglish's mistakes clearly and openly and without equivocation.  I based them on evidence and reasoned arguments. If you disagree with me, answer my points. But that's not possible for you, because you cannot answer them. So you take refuge in calling me names instead, and making me out as the bad guy. Ad hominem attack - RAWK fallacy #2. You use that so often, geoffstrong.

I am no more pompous than you are. You just can't stand the fact that I will answer you to the nth degree on everything you say, I will expose every false argument and weak conclusion, and I will uncover all your fallacies. I will never let you get away with propagating error.

[subroc]

He was pompous by his own admission!

Really? I must have missed that. In a strangre way, the forum does not seem to be the same without him declaring the existence of that paper that Benitez left behind fro Hogdson...

[subroc]

subroc...word of advice...put the shovel down and step away from the hole

Hunger and thirst will achieve that in short order - I am off to dinner!

[vivabobbygraham]

I have openly disagreed with Dalglish's errors on this forum whenever there was cause. I haev openly agred with him and praised him when I have seen something impressive that he did. I made no sly digs, I came out openly to declare it. Everyone knows where I stand on those issues. I have not hidden in the shadows to cast poisoned barbs at him in subtlety of rhetoric. So I too have adhered to that principle throughout my time here. 

I only wish you adhered as well to the principle not to cast the first stone just in case yuo live in a glasshouse. Not to presume you know my intentions and motives so clearly. Not to be prejudiced at my different way of expressing myself to cast aspersions of self-importance, impressing other people, etc etc on me.

 
I was being far more general than your little anti Kenny campaign. It goes much deeper than that. Interesting that you felt the need to defend yourself regarding my 'education as a tool' anecdote by attacking me. Btw.....


....your dinner's getting burnt 

[U13]

If I see one more person trot out the "He plays for the Seria A champions and in the CL" line I might just ram my head through a wall. There can be some absolute utter dross as part of a good side (see: Evans, Jonny). We've had it and so have many other clubs. I'm not claiming AA is dross, but just because he plays for a good side now doesn't make him a world beater. The agendas in this thread are spiraling out of control.

There isn't an agenda by most.

It's actually very, very simple why people feel we dropped a clanger by selling Aquilani - some people believe he is better than the players we currently have.

The reason we sold him is because our manager and director of football believed that wasn't the case, they have both said it in plain English and Aquilani's agent also said we didn't want him.

Aquilani never once said he didn't want to play for Liverpool, in fact before we bumbled him out the door on loan he said he felt he had a point to prove to us the fans. Even after we made it clear we thought we had better options he simply said he preferred a move to Italy but he never once disrespected the club or said he didn't want to play for LFC, in fact he referred to us as a great club and said there was no problem whatever happened in the case of his transfer.

People are trying to come up with all sorts of shite as reasoning for why we sold him and a lot of that shite includes snide remarks about his ability as a player and his professionalism, it's pathetic and most importantly wide of the mark.

I like Aquilani and believe he would improve our team, that's the only reason I am disappointed we got rid of him. It's not because I want to take a cheap shot at Kenny, he believed that the players he brought in would perform better and whilst I didn't agree with him I could understand his reasoning even if I thought it was wrong.

Too many perfectly reasoned posts are ridiculed and poked at with a stick simply because they aren't in agreement with decisions made by the club.

[Ipcress]

 
I was being far more general than your little anti Kenny campaign. It goes much deeper than that. Interesting that you felt the need to defend yourself regarding my 'education as a tool' anecdote by attacking me. Btw.....


....your dinner's getting burnt 

From what I've seen, you don't educate, you opinionate.

You claimed Subroc never gave Kenny any credit.

It turns out this is a false statement. You don't apologise, or even acknowledge your error.

It is good to educate people, but surely the ability to be educated is also important?

[geoffstrong]

I make no digs nor insidious digs at any one. I made all my objections to Dalglish's mistakes clearly and openly and without equivocation.  I based them on evidence and reasoned arguments. If you disagree with me, answer my points. But that's not possible for you, because you cannot answer them. So you take refuge in calling me names instead, and making me out as the bad guy. Ad hominem attack - RAWK fallacy #2. You use that so often, geoffstrong.

I am no more pompous than you are. You just can't stand the fact that I will answer you to the nth degree on everything you say, I will expose every false argument and weak conclusion, and I will uncover all your fallacies. I will never let you get away with propagating error.

However you have answered nothing except you can detect errors that Kenny makes but you have an excuse for every error that Rafa made, for me the sooner Albert is off our books and also the sooner Rafa finds a job elsewhere the better, however when Rafa moves on will you follow him blindly!

Anyway your petard awaits you!

[geoffstrong]

Ps Subroc your opinions are not facts, elementary junior school error, so given that why do people need to challenge your opinion lacking in factual content! Although many of us can challenge the facts you wrongly use to back up your opinion!
Examples I have seen = opinion, I can tell= opinion, I know =opinion, for such a erudite person this is shocking to a simple man like me!

I find people trying to take the high ground need to make sure they are not standing in a hole!

Still in the end and I don't think anyone will refute it Albert will not wear our shirts again!

[vivabobbygraham]

There isn't an agenda by most.

It's actually very, very simple why people feel we dropped a clanger by selling Aquilani - some people believe he is better than the players we currently have.

The reason we sold him is because our manager and director of football believed that wasn't the case, they have both said it in plain English and Aquilani's agent also said we didn't want him.

Aquilani never once said he didn't want to play for Liverpool, in fact before we bumbled him out the door on loan he said he felt he had a point to prove to us the fans. Even after we made it clear we thought we had better options he simply said he preferred a move to Italy but he never once disrespected the club or said he didn't want to play for LFC, in fact he referred to us as a great club and said there was no problem whatever happened in the case of his transfer.

People are trying to come up with all sorts of shite as reasoning for why we sold him and a lot of that shite includes snide remarks about his ability as a player and his professionalism, it's pathetic and most importantly wide of the mark.

I like Aquilani and believe he would improve our team, that's the only reason I am disappointed we got rid of him. It's not because I want to take a cheap shot at Kenny, he believed that the players he brought in would perform better and whilst I didn't agree with him I could understand his reasoning even if I thought it was wrong.

Too many perfectly reasoned posts are ridiculed and poked at with a stick simply because they aren't in agreement with decisions made by the club.

What about the perfectly reasonable idea that Aquilani is overated and used as a stick to beat whoever the poster wants to beat. There is no evidence to suggest Aquilani is any better than what we already have at the club. None, nada, nich. That's not ridicule just my point of view. What is the problem with that? Why do some like you trot out the old chestnut about him not wantimg to leave when it was obvious he did. His fucking agent did all his talking for him and I lost count of the times he was heard hawking his client around all of serie A like some kind of cheap suit. I actually felt sorry for the lad as his own Country's teams blanked him, yet still his fucking agent filled page after page of transfer gossip columns with his daily updates of where we were in the saga.

Some like subroc and your good self are too touchy, retreating behind rhetoric of ridicule, stick, name calling and the like when all that is going on is nip and tuck, back and forth. Don't cry foul 'cos you take a beating in the argument. Come back stronger or pick a thread where you have easy pickings vis a vee any Andy Carroll, Comolli, or Charlie Adam thread.

[vivabobbygraham]

From what I've seen, you don't educate, you opinionate.

You claimed Subroc never gave Kenny any credit.

It turns out this is a false statement. You don't apologise, or even acknowledge your error.

It is good to educate people, but surely the ability to be educated is also important?

Fucking hell it's groundhog day.

[Vork+The Knights of Good]

There isn't an agenda by most.

It's actually very, very simple why people feel we dropped a clanger by selling Aquilani - some people believe he is better than the players we currently have.

The reason we sold him is because our manager and director of football believed that wasn't the case, they have both said it in plain English and Aquilani's agent also said we didn't want him.

Aquilani never once said he didn't want to play for Liverpool, in fact before we bumbled him out the door on loan he said he felt he had a point to prove to us the fans. Even after we made it clear we thought we had better options he simply said he preferred a move to Italy but he never once disrespected the club or said he didn't want to play for LFC, in fact he referred to us as a great club and said there was no problem whatever happened in the case of his transfer.

People are trying to come up with all sorts of shite as reasoning for why we sold him and a lot of that shite includes snide remarks about his ability as a player and his professionalism, it's pathetic and most importantly wide of the mark.

I like Aquilani and believe he would improve our team, that's the only reason I am disappointed we got rid of him. It's not because I want to take a cheap shot at Kenny, he believed that the players he brought in would perform better and whilst I didn't agree with him I could understand his reasoning even if I thought it was wrong.

Too many perfectly reasoned posts are ridiculed and poked at with a stick simply because they aren't in agreement with decisions made by the club.

I've already stated my reasoning for why we sold him. As for the explanations given by Kenny/Comolli, well they can't exactly come out and explain the intricate financial implications of their decision so they've got to give us something. Go back and read my posts in this thread, though, if you think I've made any snide remarks about the player and I suggest you re-read the thread if you don't think there are any agendas being promoted in here. By no means is it everyone, but a couple have stuck out.

[Ipcress]

However you have answered nothing except you can detect errors that Kenny makes but you have an excuse for every error that Rafa made, for me the sooner Albert is off our books and also the sooner Rafa finds a job elsewhere the better, however when Rafa moves on will you follow him blindly!

Anyway your petard awaits you!

He's also praised some of Kenny's decisions.

Why don't you want someone of Aquilani's quality playing for LFC?

How do you think Rafa getting a job will improve LFC's dealings in the transfer market? He has a good eye for a bargain, personally I wouldn't want him competing against us.

[BlackpoolRock]

Ps Subroc your opinions are not facts, elementary junior school error, so given that why do people need to challenge your opinion lacking in factual content! Although many of us can challenge the facts you wrongly use to back up your opinion!
Examples I have seen = opinion, I can tell= opinion, I know =opinion, for such a erudite person this is shocking to a simple man like me!

I find people trying to take the high ground need to make sure they are not standing in a hole!

Still in the end and I don't think anyone will refute it Albert will not wear our shirts again!

Where did he say they were? He said his opinions were formed from fact, not his opinions were fact.

[Ipcress]

Fucking hell it's groundhog day.

He avoids the issue.

At last we agree.

It is Groundhog Day.

[Wish Matrix]

subroc, I love reading your posts. But you have to give up pointing Aqua bashers the right way. They just don't like him because he's Italian. That is all there is to it

[vivabobbygraham]

He avoids the issue.

At last we agree.

It is Groundhog Day.

Point me in the direction of anything constructive you have said,  cos I'm struggling to find it, I'll read it then get back to you. Okay?

[geoffstrong]

He avoids the issue.

At last we agree.

It is Groundhog Day.

Are you a fan of Michael Caine then?

Simple club perhaps doesn't want let's say player A.

Player A  does not want to stay at the club.

Player A is are recent father and wants to move back to his family.

Solution he moves everyone perhaps gets what they want except a few fans whose opinions are never regarded as important for this club and player decision.

All the rest is rhetoric and hyperbole in a who blinks first competition!

Outcome Albert is gone and people should move on now!

[steveeastend]

What about the perfectly reasonable idea that Aquilani is overated and used as a stick to beat whoever the poster wants to beat. There is no evidence to suggest Aquilani is any better than what we already have at the club. None, nada, nich.

Interesting approach considering our position in the table. 

The point is though that we were thin in center midfield without any proper competition for the likes of Adam and Henderson as Gerrard was out for too long and Lucas injured. And don“t tell me that“s easy to say in hinsight. It“s part of proper squad management for the season.

Alberto Aquilani is still an italian international, Serie A proven, for that is playing for AC Milan and from what I“ve seen this season so far from watching the italian league a technical skilled player perfectly suited for playing pass and move.

Considering we had only Shelvey and Adam on the bench recently is an indication that we have been understuffed in center midfield all season long and still are, holding role and especially attack. One reason for us not converting our chances.

Not making use of a class midfielder for a season in transition while still having around is for sure not the smartest move. Either we were too generous or too naive but we could have used him, that“s for sure.

[Ipcress]

Point me in the direction of anything constructive you have said,  cos I'm struggling to find it, I'll read it then get back to you. Okay?

You're still avoiding the issue I see...

Address it with something constructive and then I'll be happy to show you something constructive I've said. What the hell, I'll show you a couple...

[vivabobbygraham]

Interesting idea considering our position in the table. 

The point is though that we were thin in center midfield without any proper competition for the likes of Adam and Henderson as Gerrard was out for too long and Lucas injured. And don“t tell me that“s easy too say in hinsight. It“s part of proper squad management for the season.

Alberto Aquilani is still an italian international, Serie A proven, for that is playing for AC Milan and from what I“ve seen this season so far from watching the italian league a technical skilled player perfectly suited for playing pass and move.

Considering we had only Shelvey and Adam on the bench recently is an indication that we have been understuffed in center midfield all season long and still are, holding role and especially attack. One reason for us not converting our chances.

Not making use of a class midfielder for a season in transition while still having around is for sure not the smartest move. Either we were too generous or too naive but we could have used him, that“s for sure.

I don't agree Steve. I have never rated the lad you see even before Rafa bought him. A show pony for me, needs looking after on the pitch, and as we have painfully witnessed, injury prone and fragile. I never saw anything when he did play for us save the Portsmouth game when he played well, that convinced me we had a world beater. Ordinary for me and I am glad we are getting shot of him, please God let it be soon.

[vivabobbygraham]

You're still avoiding the issue I see...

Address it with something constructive and then I'll be happy to show you something constructive I've said. What the hell, I'll show you a couple...

Avoiding what issue? That I have little time for subroc's rhetoric? WTF has that do with you my friend? Let's you and I discuss more personal things rather than go over old ground? How do you think we'll get on today? What will be the team?

[vishy01234]

I've been a slight Aquilani fanboy at times, I'll admit it. After all, Rafa brought him to the club and Rafa is a smart man. So who would begrudge a Liverpool supporter wanting to see what Aquilani could do in a red shirt as a regular starter for just one season. Yes, I know he's a permacrock but then so was Agger but he's put in a good string of games this year that we never expected so one can dream.

But one very simple thing just occurred to me. If Aquilani spends a year on loan at Juve, and then a year on loan at Milan, and each time neither club end up taking up the option to buy him, doesn't that say something about him?

[Ipcress]

Are you a fan of Michael Caine then?

Simple club perhaps doesn't want let's say player A.

Player A  does not want to stay at the club.

Player A is are recent father and wants to move back to his family.

Solution he moves everyone perhaps gets what they want except a few fans whose opinions are never regarded as important for this club and player decision.

All the rest is rhetoric and hyperbole in a who blinks first competition!

Outcome Albert is gone and people should move on now!

The issue I was referring to was VivaBobbyGraham's apparently false assertion that Subroc only criticised Kenny and never praised him.

As it stand, your argument that he wanted to go back to Italy to keep his family united is a strong and compelling argument as to why he would want to go back, and why the club would facilitate that. It's far better than Torpedo Tommys suggestion that he went back to sun himself.

If that is indeed the case, then as a Liverpool Fan, I regret his departure, but I appreciate why it happened.

If that wasn't the reason, but because as Comolli claimed, he played in Gerrard's  position then that is more of a concern to me, as it has ramifications for LFC's future transfer decisions.

Cheers.

[penga]

Please point out which parts are wrong because I'm quite confident none of it is. I didn't say Prince Boateng was or was not first choice, but I pointed out that he, along with 3 other midfielders, have started more games than Aquilani this year. If you care to debate that 16 is greater than 17 I'm more than happy to do so, but I don't like your chances.

You said overall. KPB has played 18 games overall, Aquilani has played 24.

[steveeastend]

I don't agree Steve. I have never rated the lad you see even before Rafa bought him. A show pony for me, needs looking after on the pitch, and as we have painfully witnessed, injury prone and fragile. I never saw anything when he did play for us save the Portsmouth game when he played well, that convinced me we had a world beater. Ordinary for me and I am glad we are getting shot of him, please God let it be soon.

There is this saying I heard from an italian footballer on transfers in general that you shouldn“t sell your shoes unless you have better ones. I would tend to agree here. I see your point but IMO for this season we needed him around.

[Ipcress]

Avoiding what issue? That I have little time for subroc's rhetoric? WTF has that do with you my friend? Let's you and I discuss more personal things rather than go over old ground? How do you think we'll get on today? What will be the team?

Hope we win by loads, putting away most of our chances, Carroll gets a few and his confidence back, Coates starting does well, and that Henderson is central to the win, producing an Aquilaniesque performance.

Sorry got distracted there, I see what you did.

Back to the issue.

You accused Subroc of never praising Kenny, Subroc then made reference to numerous times he has praised Kenny. You subsequently neither apologised, nor acknowledged the error of your false accusation.

But you do keep avoiding the point in a way I haven't seen since Xerxes1.

[Vork+The Knights of Good]

You said overall. KPB has played 18 games overall, Aquilani has played 24.

Started, lad, not played. KPB has started 17 times, AA only 16. Meaning when AA is fit he still isn't always selected to start. Not a big deal and a silly point to go back and forth on. Big changes are sweeping through the club today. Let's enjoy that and stop worrying about Aquilani.

[vivabobbygraham]

The issue I was referring to was VivaBobbyGraham's apparently false assertion that Subroc only criticised Kenny and never praised him.

As it stand, your argument that he wanted to go back to Italy to keep his family united is a strong and compelling argument as to why he would want to go back, and why the club would facilitate that. It's far better than Torpedo Tommys suggestion that he went back to sun himself.

If that is indeed the case, then as a Liverpool Fan, I regret his departure, but I appreciate why it happened.

If that wasn't the reason, but because as Comolli claimed, he played in Gerrard's  position then that is more of a concern to me, as it has ramifications for LFC's future transfer decisions.

Cheers.

The thrust of my argument with subroc was his double standards in supporting Rafa through thick and thin whilst attacking Kenny for similar or worse perceived errors so it is rather disengenuous of you to take that part of our discussion out of context. I would ask why you choose to do that if I gived a fuck but why did you choose to do that particularly as it has fuck all to do with you and seems a little odd?

[vivabobbygraham]

There is this saying I heard from an italian footballer on transfers in general that you shouldn“t sell your shoes unless you have better ones. I would tend to agree here. I see your point but IMO for this season we needed him around.

 

There's another, English I think, "All that glitters is not gold."

[penga]

I don't agree Steve. I have never rated the lad you see even before Rafa bought him. A show pony for me, needs looking after on the pitch, and as we have painfully witnessed, injury prone and fragile. I never saw anything when he did play for us save the Portsmouth game when he played well, that convinced me we had a world beater. Ordinary for me and I am glad we are getting shot of him, please God let it be soon.

If Aqua is the definition of ordinary, I'd like to see what you think of Adam and Henderson.

Have you seen this performance?

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xpmx9g_aqua-v-atleti_sport

Name or find me a match where Adam or Henderson ever come close to reaching the play of that level or the Portsmouth game http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zklgnhA6x_E. You can also find several decent youtube videos of his cameos at Liverpool. The way he can facilitate purposeful pass and move football is in stark contrast to those 2, if you cannot see it then you are beyond help. Henderson and Adam have each played more than twice the game time and havn't shown as much. One otherway to judge is that Aquilani won 3 times the amount of fans MOTM awards for Liverpool and Adam and Hendo combined lol!

This was Charlie's best game for Liverpool, spot the difference. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZyidcRL81I&feature=player_embedded

This is a random game from Hendo, not his best but still spot the difference. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bC-u48j8Nf4

[U13]

What about the perfectly reasonable idea that Aquilani is overated and used as a stick to beat whoever the poster wants to beat. There is no evidence to suggest Aquilani is any better than what we already have at the club. None, nada, nich. That's not ridicule just my point of view. What is the problem with that? Why do some like you trot out the old chestnut about him not wantimg to leave when it was obvious he did. His fucking agent did all his talking for him and I lost count of the times he was heard hawking his client around all of serie A like some kind of cheap suit. I actually felt sorry for the lad as his own Country's teams blanked him, yet still his fucking agent filled page after page of transfer gossip columns with his daily updates of where we were in the saga.

Some like subroc and your good self are too touchy, retreating behind rhetoric of ridicule, stick, name calling and the like when all that is going on is nip and tuck, back and forth. Don't cry foul 'cos you take a beating in the argument. Come back stronger or pick a thread where you have easy pickings vis a vee any Andy Carroll, Comolli, or Charlie Adam thread.

there's nothing wrong with thinking he was over rated, the more pertinent question is does he offer more than what we have here now and I think the answer is a resounding yes based purely on what I've seen him from him and what I've seen from the players in our squad currently. I felt he was a better option in the middle of the park than Adam and Henderson in the summer and I still hold that view now. Do you think Henderson, Adam and Shelvey are better players than Aquilani?

The reasons cited in the summer for preferring adam & Henderson such as being prem proven, better in the tackle (my personal favourite), better fit for the team etc haven't been reinforced by what we've seen on the pitch in my opinion and I think we missed a trick by not keeping Aquilani given what we've seen of him in the past and how good he looked in preseason. It's impossible to say exactly how it would have turned out but 

Like I said previously his agent said he preferred a move because we didn't want him which is backed up by what Comolli and Kenny said,  it's further backed up by us signing a few players in his position. We made it very obvious we didn't want him with our transfer activity and our willingness to loan him out, why would any club pay more than is obviously necessary to get a player? whether we wanted to sell him or keep him we went about it in a way that alienated the player whilst making it glaringly obvious to any potential suitors they could have him for a bargain bucket price.

I've offered reasoning for my opinion as always and it is always based on my own thinking rather than blindly agreeing with every decision made by the club, I support Liverpool Football Club but my brain works independently. Where did I resort to name calling?