Topic: Andy Carroll, Prime Target by Paul Tomkins

[-Nay-]

Shite. Wouldn't be arsed if we sold him for 10 million tomorrow.

[Shanks1965]

Shite. Wouldn't be arsed if we sold him for 10 million tomorrow.

Just out of interest would you be arsed if we did and he then started to bang in the goals for someone else?

[djschembri]

Just out of interest would you be arsed if we did and he then started to bang in the goals for someone else?

Doesn't matter because he will never "bang in the goals" at this club. Not unless we start to play Stoke-esque football.

[Shanks1965]

Doesn't matter because he will never "bang in the goals" at this club. Not unless we start to play Stoke-esque football.

I'd suggest that losing £25m on a player does matter and he's worth a lot more than £10m. He hasn't lost his ability to do what he was doing before we signed him.

[djschembri]

I'd suggest that losing £25m on a player does matter and he's worth a lot more than £10m. He hasn't lost his ability to do what he was doing before we signed him.

Look at what he did before we signed him. Lofted ball up from Barton, Carroll barges over everyone and scores. Those type of goals accounted for half of his goals at Newcastle. If you don't believe me look them up on YouTube. Is that the type of football you want to be played at this club?

He is the polar opposite to Suarez. No movement. No touch. No finesse. No workrate. No determination.

[Discipline]

Just out of interest would you be arsed if we did and he then started to bang in the goals for someone else?

Honestly couldn't care less mate. We need to stop worrying if he's going to make it somewhere else, we do what's best for the club. Carroll doesn't suit the style we play, which generally affects how other players play.

[Shanks1965]

Look at what he did before we signed him. Lofted ball up from Barton, Carroll barges over everyone and scores. Those type of goals accounted for half of his goals at Newcastle. If you don't believe me look them up on YouTube. Is that the type of football you want to be played at this club?

He is the polar opposite to Suarez. No movement. No touch. No finesse. No workrate. No determination.

I didnt say I want him at the club. I'm suggesting he is worth more than £10m which he is.

[djschembri]

I didnt say I want him at the club. I'm suggesting he is worth more than £10m which he is.

Maybe, but we are going to be making a loss with him one way or another. The question is whether we have the finance to be able to afford to spend big money on a top striker without having to sell Carroll. If we do, then we should keep him. If we need to sell him to add to the transfer budget, then we should sell him for anything above 10M.

And if i'm not mistaken, Newcastle make around 25% of the fee we sell Carroll for. So even if we sell for 10M, we only get 7.5M

[eirwen]

I didnt say I want him at the club. I'm suggesting he is worth more than £10m which he is.

He's worth how much other clubs are willing to pay for him. Who do you think will pay more than 10m at this point?

[Discipline]

He's worth how much other clubs are willing to pay for him. Who do you think will pay more than 10m at this point?

Could see Spurs going for him. 'triffic player and all that.

[Shanks1965]

He's worth how much other clubs are willing to pay for him. Who do you think will pay more than 10m at this point?

Quite a few I'd suggest. Put him up for £10m and watch the queue form.

[Camarero25]

Maybe, but we are going to be making a loss with him one way or another. The question is whether we have the finance to be able to afford to spend big money on a top striker without having to sell Carroll. If we do, then we should keep him. If we need to sell him to add to the transfer budget, then we should sell him for anything above 10M.

And if i'm not mistaken, Newcastle make around 25% of the fee we sell Carroll for. So even if we sell for 10M, we only get 7.5M

Is that true? If so, that makes the deal even more insane. £35m PLUS a 25% sell on fee? What the fuck were our negotiators thinking?

As for whether I'd care if he started scoring for another club, no I wouldn't give a shit. I just want this whole farce to end now so we can move on and forget about it.

[RyanBabel19]

Downing vs Wolves... High cross from the left Carroll heads, hits the post
Downing vs Swansea... Low cross curled in from the left early in the game, perfect cross for a striker to finish played into space to strike first time, somehow hits the bar from 6 yards
The two low crosses from Luis were in the Fulham 1-0 loss, the first brough a shot straight at the keeper, the second resulted in this...



not even striking the ball properly and im pretty sure it even managed to go behind him and further away from goal.

Bellamy vs blackburn, inswinging right footed cross, Carrolls jumps for some reason and hits a tame shot the keeper gets down to. Good save if you are watching it once then when you look closer you really just think if he connected properly the keeper doesn't get to it.

I dont use chalkboards so im going off memory and match highlights that havent been taken down alone.

There are a number more of them, some of the chances he has missed have simply been unlucky but there have been too many that he has just missed badly. As i said before some of the service hasn't been good enough but people cant act asif no-one has put in good crosses for him, that miss against swansea was ridiculous. I actually like Carroll and want him to succeed but some of the stuff he's currently doing i just do not understand.

Going to quote my own post here just to highlight that he did THAT (the picture) again yesterday. I dont even know what to say about him anymore, its just got to that point that is way beyond frustration with a player

[LiamG]

He needs to be taken out the spotlight in my opinion but that isnt going to happen, when suarez returns id like to see Andy in the reserves for a few games so he gain that fight and determination and also confidence which all seems to have disappeared from him

ESPN showed some of his newcastle goals before the game last night almost as a reminder to what he can do!

You dont lose that ability to bully defenders overnight, but he just dosent seem to have that in his game, lack of strength but why?

Im sure the club and kenny will look after him

[djschembri]

Is that true? If so, that makes the deal even more insane. £35m PLUS a 25% sell on fee? What the fuck were our negotiators thinking?

As for whether I'd care if he started scoring for another club, no I wouldn't give a shit. I just want this whole farce to end now so we can move on and forget about it.

I read it somewhere. Only link I can find is in from the Mirror and a Newcastle blog.

Anyway that's beside the point. Carroll was clearly bought to be here for the long term, so with that in mind any future fee would have been very small as he would have been coming to the end of his career when we eventually look to sell him on. That was the ideal scenario, & the plan I assume.

*EDIT: Its 25% of any transfer fee ABOVE 35M, so pretty pointless at the moment.

[LiamG]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMMiP1HCmGE&feature=related

[Kopite B205]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMMiP1HCmGE&feature=related

I'll throw a compiltation of N'Gogs goals together - he has scored some crackers you know....

[petrichor]

helluva deal, said henry
the only winner is mike ashley though

[Shanks1965]

helluva deal, said henry
the only winner is mike ashley though

Can you find your post when you said that at the time?

[scouse29]

Can you find your post when you said that at the time?

I remember reading that.

[Carlito Roberto]

Alehouse player, really really poor. When Suarez got banned some tried to turn it into a positive saying stuff like 'big chance for Carroll this'. While I admired the glass half full point of view, I was filled with dread at the thought of Carroll in our starting line up, he just doesn't offer anything. His touch, movement, workrate and his overall game intelligence is nowhere near the level it should be to play for us. I'm sorry he's not the new Christian Vieri he was hyped up as, right now I'd take Heskey back over this fraud.

[gazzathered]

Going to quote my own post here just to highlight that he did THAT (the picture) again yesterday. I dont even know what to say about him anymore, its just got to that point that is way beyond frustration with a player

I know, I thought of your post when he did it, just get him out whether on loan or sell.
Just saw Aguero hold off king, Carroll should be out having extra training but I bet he's not.

[HELLRAZOR]

HE IS FUCKING SHITE

END OF.

[.Mike]

Unreal.

[RedDan87]

Just out of interest would you be arsed if we did and he then started to bang in the goals for someone else?

personally wouldn't particularly care. he's had 12 months now and for whatever reason it's not working. sooner or later we have to cut our losses and move him on. I just wonder, based on his performances - what sort of price we could expect for him?

[HELLRAZOR]

personally wouldn't particularly care. he's had 12 months now and for whatever reason it's not working. sooner or later we have to cut our losses and move him on. I just wonder, based on his performances - what sort of price we could expect for him?

10 p

[royhendo]

Well, assuming we know there haven't been any private rockets, then maybe up til now he's tried to foster their confidence.

[Suarez325]

Alehouse player, really really poor.  right now I'd take Heskey back over this fraud.

Don't be a tit mate.

[RyanBabel19]

Unreal.

I honestly dont get it. I want him to succeed with us so much but how do you manage to hit the ball further away from the goal with a shot inside the 18 yard box and block your own shot all in one go ? 

To think some fans have the audacity to question Downings delivery to carroll aswell

[Anywhichwayucan]

Unreal.

That's where we need runners coming into the box. Gerrard or Henderson should have been coming onto that pass.

[Camarero25]

I honestly dont get it. I want him to succeed with us so much but how do you manage to hit the ball further away from the goal with a shot inside the 18 yard box and block your own shot all in one go ? 

To think some fans have the audacity to question Downings delivery to carroll aswell

Mate, that ball bounced slightly in front of Carroll, the service clearly isn't good enough. 

[LiamG]

I'll throw a compiltation of N'Gogs goals together - he has scored some crackers you know....

Difference is, Carroll done enough at newcastle to earn a big money move, the amount we paid for him can perhaps be questioned!

But you didnt see any 10,15 million pound bids for Ngog because he didnt do here what andy did at newcastle

[LiamG]

Unreal.

You could say things like that could be a confidence issue, if he was banging them in every week surely he would of done better with that? At least he got into the right position at least! Hopefully one day he will get a ball like that and he will connect with it properly

[LiamG]

That's where we need runners coming into the box. Gerrard or Henderson should have been coming onto that pass.

And Carrioll is the only one in the box, where is everyone else?

[lionel_messias]

Well, assuming we know there haven't been any private rockets, then maybe up til now he's tried to foster their confidence.

Certainly seems Kenny has been protecting him; which of course he has to. Only explanation for the otherwise inexplicable lack of starts in certain games (like Stoke at home). But if the manager has to bench a player to protect him from being on the pitch then....

[MazzaRed]

Kenny would never ever publicly criticise his players.
What he really thinks is better deducted by his use of Carroll.

Think he has.....post match yesterday!

[HELLRAZOR]

Think he has.....post match yesterday!

that post you quoted was before the game in fairness

[jackh]

Well done for the assist for Bellamy.

I do thing that Carroll would look twice the player with Shelvey playing right off him.

[BFM]

I'm embarassed for you

You can be whatever you want. Andy created more chances than our entire midfield combined. And then he completely fluffed a shot that he should have scored, but still.

[PJG]

I was hoping that his touch would've been better than it has been recently.  But my main worry is that he just doesn't seem to be able to dominate the opposition's centre backs as I thought he would.   He's got to show a lot more presence than he has.

I haven't completely lost faith in him, but I've thought for a while that we need another first team striker, because having just Carroll and Suarez isn't enough.