Topic: Andy Carroll, Prime Target by Paul Tomkins

[karl1987]

Like others have said on the post match thread, I actually felt sorry for him today.  Taking him off at St James's Park in front of 50.000 fans who had done nothing but boo and slag him off all game would have been humiliating for him. 

[Lenin]

Ifithadnabeenferandycarroll........................

[Cusamano]

Like others have said on the post match thread, I actually felt sorry for him today.  Taking him off at St James's Park in front of 50.000 fans who had done nothing but boo and slag him off all game would have been humiliating for him. 

Piss poor man management right there.

[eirwen]

I have had enough.

[eirwen]

Like others have said on the post match thread, I actually felt sorry for him today.  Taking him off at St James's Park in front of 50.000 fans who had done nothing but boo and slag him off all game would have been humiliating for him.

So what? That doesnt give him the right to act like a petulant child and throw a tantrum in front of everyone does it?

Disgusting attitude.

[mart356]

Like others have said on the post match thread, I actually felt sorry for him today.  Taking him off at St James's Park in front of 50.000 fans who had done nothing but boo and slag him off all game would have been humiliating for him.

who fucking cares? respect the managers decision and get on with it. and no this isnt "blame andy carroll for the defeat operatin" , its "andy carroll is fucking shite and he needs to leave".

[karl1987]

So what? That doesnt give him the right to act like a petulant child and throw a tantrum in front of everyone does it?

Disgusting attitude.

He was humiliated... All he did was walk down the tunnel, hardly what I'd called throwing a tantrum.  He was pissed and rightly so. 

Dosent mean he was right to walk out like he did though.

[Lenin]

So what? That doesnt give him the right to act like a petulant child and throw a tantrum in front of everyone does it?

Disgusting attitude.

Maybe he should have give them the finger? Or butted one of their players?

[Kopite B205]

A disgrace to the coverted No9 shirt. A chronic mistake that the club need to recognise and rectify in the summer.

[karl1987]

who fucking cares? respect the managers decision and get on with it. and no this isnt "blame andy carroll for the defeat operatin" , its "andy carroll is fucking shite and he needs to leave".

The same could be said for 3/4 of this team yet its Carroll thats taking most of the flack. 

[mart356]

The same could be said for 3/4 of this team yet its Carroll thats taking most of the flack.

i disagree, most of the team IS getting slack, but carroll is just the worst of a bad bunch

[Cusamano]

Inexcusable this



You would think he would prefer the goal to the dive.

[Mirra]

For me hes the worst number 9 ive ever seen in a Liverpool shirt. Even worse than Diouf for me like, sorry. I dont rate him at all, never have and hes done nothing whatsoever to convince me otherwise. Hes terrible. Cringed when we signed him and i havent stopped since.

[killer_heels]

Why dive when you have an open goal? That or he was so scared of his toes being touched that he lost some balance and just fell over.

[Clayton Bigsby]

I dont think he dived i think he is just that clumsy that he fell over the ball. No currency in him diving, he is not taking the penalty and he needs the goals

[RideTheWalrus]

I was honestly pleased when we signed him. Thought the price was large, but still I was happy we had him. He was on the up, playing really well. Thought he could be our Rooney. Boy was I wrong. Worst striker I've seen here in a while. I'd rather have Ngog.

[karl1987]

For me hes the worst number 9 ive ever seen in a Liverpool shirt. Even worse than Diouf for me like, sorry. I dont rate him at all, never have and hes done nothing whatsoever to convince me otherwise. Hes terrible. Cringed when we signed him and i havent stopped since.

Sorry but El-Hadji Diouf was by far the worst on and off the field. 

[Cusamano]

Sorry but El-Hadji Diouf was by far the worst on and off the field. 

Not having that at all.

He was an absolute twat of a person but at least he offered something on the football pitch.

[karl1987]

Not having that at all.

He was an absolute twat of a person but at least he offered something on the football pitch.

Yeah his spitting aim was perfect.

Diouf 80 games 6 goals

Carroll 35 game 5 goals

[rafathegaffa83]

He's been chronically mismanaged since day one. I'm not surprised he reached his boiling point today, especially since his boyhood club have got better since he left. Hardly going to be great for him to go from being a Geordie idol to being heckled and jeered as he's subbed a mere 14 months or so later. His mental state was probably all over the place and his confidence, if there is any left, is completely gone. We'll probably sell him in the summer during the Euros for an undisclosed fee and he'll probably have a revival of form elsewhere, where he isn't a scapegoat, he can get a run of games and he won't be dropped after putting in solid performances, or scoring.

[karl1987]

He's been chronically mismanaged since day one. I'm not surprised he reached his boiling point today, especially since his boyhood club have got better since he left. Hardly going to be great for him to go from being a Geordie idol to being heckled and jeered as he's subbed a mere 14 months or so later. His mental state was probably all over the place and his confidence, if there is any left, is completely gone. We'll probably sell him in the summer during the Euros for an undisclosed fee and he'll probably have a revival of form elsewhere, where he isn't a scapegoat, he can get a run of games and he won't be dropped after putting in solid performances, or scoring.

Is the correct answer.

[mart356]

He's been chronically mismanaged since day one. I'm not surprised he reached his boiling point today, especially since his boyhood club have got better since he left. Hardly going to be great for him to go from being a Geordie idol to being heckled and jeered as he's subbed a mere 14 months or so later. His mental state was probably all over the place and his confidence, if there is any left, is completely gone. We'll probably sell him in the summer during the Euros for an undisclosed fee and he'll probably have a revival of form elsewhere, where he isn't a scapegoat, he can get a run of games and he won't be dropped after putting in solid performances, or scoring.

But you're forgetting the most important point. Hes shit.

[Discipline]

Why dive when you have an open goal? That or he was so scared of his toes being touched that he lost some balance and just fell over.

Or C) Didn't want to score against his beloved team.

[rafathegaffa83]

Or C) Didn't want to score against his beloved team.

Or more likely his confidence has been shot for months and he panicked and tripped. A bit like some of the stuff that has gone on with Torres at Chelsea.

[Gromit]

Apparently, Radio City are saying he's left the stadium.

He can fuck off if true.

First out of the ground then.  At last he's first to something.

He's been chronically mismanaged since day one. he can get a run of games and he won't be dropped after putting in solid performances, or scoring.

No doubt we've failed to get the best out of him, but he's hardly put in a string of performances.  The odd game here and there when he's done ok, but most of the time he's been anonymous.  Can't help but feel he's a problem of the DOF and Manager having two different visions for the team.

[Lenin]

Inexcusable this



You would think he would prefer the goal to the dive.

Tbf, he won the ball, he won the knockdown to himself, beat off a challenge from the defender, beat the goalie and thought he had won a pen. Not like he fell over with an open goal beckoning.

[Lenin]

Or more likely his confidence has been shot for months and he panicked and tripped. A bit like some of the stuff that has gone on with Torres at Chelsea.

Good call. Torres v Man U, rounded the goalie, open goal............

[cptrios]

Or more likely his confidence has been shot for months and he panicked and tripped. A bit like some of the stuff that has gone on with Torres at Chelsea.

I think it was halfway between this and a dive. I don't think he had any confidence at all in his ability to score, and therefore allowed himself to fall over when his feet got a bit loosened up. Inexcusable, still.

[rafathegaffa83]

No doubt we've failed to get the best out of him, but he's hardly put in a string of performances.  The odd game here and there when he's done ok, but most of the time he's been anonymous.  Can't help but feel he's a problem of the DOF and Manager having two different visions for the team.

Look at Crouch when he was here. Couldn't buy a goal the first four months or so, but Rafa stuck with him and it paid off in the end, because the management had faith in a player they had spent a considerable sum on and backed him to the hilt to come into some sort of form. When Carroll has had a good game, he's more often than not in recent months had the opportunity to repeat.

[petrichor]

he's just a kid, kenny needs to bring him to more boy zone gigs to keep him happy

[Mirra]

Mismanaged, aye ok mate. That must be it, you keep believing that and ill believe hes shite and the worst number 9 ive seen in my lifetime supporting Liverpool.

Wouldnt suprise me if he did leave the stadium I just hope he leaves the fucking club asap as well!

[BruLee]

He doesn't even want to score. No idea what goes on in his head.

[Lenin]

Wasnt it Andys header we should have had the pen from?

[Gromit]

Look at Crouch when he was here. Couldn't buy a goal the first four months or so, but Rafa stuck with him and it paid off in the end, because the management had faith in a player they had spent a considerable sum on and backed him to the hilt to come into some sort of form. When Carroll has had a good game, he's more often than not in recent months had the opportunity to repeat.

Agreed the management haven't stood by him like with Crouch, but on those few occasions when he's been given a mini-run in the side (with Suarez banned for 8 games the team was as tailored to him as we could get with the players available) he's not made a case for being picked.  More often than not he's too static, waiting for the ball to reach him rather than attacking the area it's likely to be.  That's not a criticism you could level at Crouch, even though he is similarly lacking in pace as Carroll.

[Kopite B205]

I've supported the lad for as long as I can - but I have ran out of patience. I feel for Suarez when paired with Carroll, I really do. The lad lacks the basic intelligence of a striker. His movement is poor, his link up play erratic and his first touch terrible. It's the same old story. Despite wanting him to succeed, I have seen no sustained improvement to his form. He is simply not suited to a pass and move team and not of the required standard for our football club.

Whoever signed Carroll and wasted 35M needs to bought to task - whether Kenny or Comolli. One of the biggest - no THE biggest and most expensive mistake in our transfer history.

[Discipline]

Or more likely his confidence has been shot for months and he panicked and tripped. A bit like some of the stuff that has gone on with Torres at Chelsea.

So what's the point of him being at this club if he doesn't have the confidence to shoot to an open net from ten yards out. If you were to panick to shoot from ten yards out, you really shouldn't be at this club. You're not ever going to get a better chance than an open goal ffs. And he definitely dived - he was not off balance. I've seen the replay about 10 times, and in slow mo bout 3 times. He bottled to take the shot. Even if it was his weaker foot. You could bet if it was any other club he would of slotted it in.

And this has nothing to do with Torres. Torres has atleast tried and attempted to adapt to Chelsea's style of play after seeing 3 different managers in just over a year. After being dropped to the bench, being on the sidelines for sending offs he's still persisted to get through the 'slump' he was in and is starting to get out of at the moment.

[Shanks1965]

Actually I felt a bit sorry for him too but... when he storms down the tunnel and takes the shirt off and throws it to the floor he can fuck right off.

Frustration?

How did the travelling and paying supporters feel but i still heard them singing YNWA at the end meanwhile our Andy was probably already showered and planning his night out on the Toon.

[rafathegaffa83]

If you were to panick to shoot from ten yards out, you really shouldn't be at this club. You're not ever going to get a better chance than an open goal ffs.

Confidence is a great and fragile thing

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He bottled to take the shot. Even if it was his weaker foot. You could bet if it was any other club he would of slotted it in.

I don't buy any this sort of conspiratorial stuff that he missed because it was against Newcastle. He has nothing to gain for it. He's clearly a player who is frustrated by his current plight.

And this has nothing to do with Torres. Torres has atleast tried and attempted to adapt to Chelsea's style of play after seeing 3 different managers in just over a year. After being dropped to the bench, being on the sidelines for sending offs he's still persisted to get through the 'slump' he was in and is starting to get out of at the moment.

He's looked pretty resigned for most of of his time at Chelsea. If he is now breaking into something akin to form, it might have more to do with the fact Di Matteo has actually been backing him with a regular run of games.

[Chakan]

Deserved to be subbed, plain and simple. Should have gone off after 65min.

[Shanks1965]

Deserved to be subbed, plain and simple. Should have gone off after 65min.

Yes but we only make changes after 70 minutes just like RAFA used to get criticised for doing.