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Re: Luis Suarez (back to the football)
« Reply #880 on: November 17, 2011, 04:43:27 PM »
I hope the club and Suarez get hold of a solicitor to be honest.  If it were me, and I was found guilty because of what's rumoured to of been said, I'd make it a legal issue rather an internal FA one.  This could be extremely damaging to his reputation and the the FA would of hung him out to dry based on a cultural misunderstanding.  I'd actually go as far as to take the FA to court for defamation (if all this 'negrito' stuff is true).
I think they may have considered doing this. ::)
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Re: Luis Suarez (back to the football)
« Reply #881 on: November 17, 2011, 04:44:42 PM »
Statement from the Premier League
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 "The English game has been at the forefront of tackling racist behaviour and other forms of discrimination.

"Everybody in the game in England understands any form of racism is totally unacceptable.

"There are still issues, as there are in society, so with our partners, Kick It Out, the PFA and The FA, we must remain committed and vigilant to maintaining the standards we have set and confronting any incidents that occur.

"There is no place for discrimination in football and we will continue to strive to eliminate it."



That s it then Luis is gonna get the book thrown at him if found guilty....setting the tone to do their damage

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Re: Luis Suarez (back to the football)
« Reply #882 on: November 17, 2011, 04:46:23 PM »
Statement from the Premier League
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iPhone App LFC Podcasts LFC Toolbar Browser Add-On RSS Feeds Following a meeting of all 20 Premier League Clubs the League has today issued the following statement:

 "The English game has been at the forefront of tackling racist behaviour and other forms of discrimination.

"Everybody in the game in England understands any form of racism is totally unacceptable.

"There are still issues, as there are in society, so with our partners, Kick It Out, the PFA and The FA, we must remain committed and vigilant to maintaining the standards we have set and confronting any incidents that occur.

"There is no place for discrimination in football and we will continue to strive to eliminate it."



That s it then Luis is gonna get the book thrown at him if found guilty....setting the tone to do their damage

Luis didn't say anything racist....

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Re: Luis Suarez (back to the football)
« Reply #883 on: November 17, 2011, 04:46:32 PM »
btw why cant Evra been done for inciting the crowd when he was kissing the badge in front of the main stand, the horrible little c*nt

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Re: Luis Suarez (back to the football)
« Reply #884 on: November 17, 2011, 04:46:34 PM »
The FA want to make an example of someone and show there is ZERO TOLERANCE on racism in English football....... I hope Rafa gets onto his solicitor after being called a 'fat Spanish waiter' for God knows how long...... Racist??? Where will it end?

That's more xenophobic than racist though, isn't it?

I know it's not the same but weren't some of their players singing "we won it without killing anyone" after they won the Champions League in 08?
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Re: Luis Suarez (back to the football)
« Reply #885 on: November 17, 2011, 04:47:04 PM »
Luis didn't say anything racist....

tell them that

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Re: Luis Suarez (back to the football)
« Reply #886 on: November 17, 2011, 04:47:48 PM »
I know it's not the same but weren't some of their players singing "we won it without killing anyone" after they won the Champions League in 08?
They were indeed. Think they sang it last season as well after winning the league.

Suarez to score against Chelsea then?

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« Reply #887 on: November 17, 2011, 04:49:26 PM »
They were indeed. Think they sang it last season as well after winning the league.

Suarez to score against Chelsea then?

They get away with everything. It really pisses me off.

Yes, Suarez will score. I think at least 2.
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Re: Luis Suarez (back to the football)
« Reply #888 on: November 17, 2011, 04:51:38 PM »
tell them that
I don't need to, LUIS DOESN'T NEED TO...Evra's got to show it, with EVIDENCE (can we remember that....) that what was said was racist or was meant in a racist context...when earlier in the thread there's masses of evidence that was was supposedly said is in general use in vast areas of the world....Apparently Evra speaks/knows spanish, obviously the classroom variety, not the spoken word.

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Re: Luis Suarez (back to the football)
« Reply #889 on: November 17, 2011, 04:51:38 PM »
I'm starting to get a little worried that Luis will be made the scapegoat for the racism campaign just like Mash was in the respect the ref campaign.

Then after that nothing happened to any other player.

Just flicking though the Radio stations and Talksport were laying into King Kenny for backing Luis but nothing about Mr Alex Ferguson backing his player.
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Re: Luis Suarez (back to the football)
« Reply #890 on: November 17, 2011, 04:51:38 PM »
I think that Luis admitting to saying "Negrito" is going to be all the 'evidence' the FA needs to find him guilty.

Big mistake by Luis.

It is no coincidence that it's since Luis said this on 8th November, that the charge has come.

Evra must have been thanking his lucky stars when Luis admitted it because he didnt have a shred of evidence prior to it.  Evra will now insist that HE took it as an insult even though Luis has tried to explain what he meant.

Get prepared boys and girls .... Luis will be banned.

Again, when did he admit this? I've seen speculation that was what he called Evra. So all of this speculation is based on speculation. (See http://www.caughtoffside.com/2011/11/08/luis-suarez-admits-calling-patrice-evra-same-name-his-man-united-team-mates-call-him/)

It's starting to do my head in like spending too long at a Star Trek convention watching people debate the evolution of the Klingon language...only this is somehow far less entertaining. And they had more valid points about the structure of an imaginary language. Go figure!

Look, I nor any of you know what was or was not said on the day. What I can tell you is that the man has proved himself on the pitch and in training. He's obviously working diligently to learn English. (And as a former teacher having worked with students who newly arrived to the US, I can tell you it is not easy to get to his current level of proficiency without dedication.) To date, the young man has shown significant growth. And his attention to his family and social causes lends me to support Luis.

IF something damaging comes out, then it needs to be dealt with. I would also think that club value's such as Liverpool's would have to rub off on a man. The players (say Diouf) who refused to conform fell out of favour quickly.

For now, I'd rather think about who will be partnering with him on Saturday. And whether Kelly will get the nod after being on fire for the U21's.


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Re: Luis Suarez (back to the football)
« Reply #891 on: November 17, 2011, 04:53:07 PM »
I don't need to, LUIS DOESN'T NEED TO...Evra's got to show it, with EVIDENCE (can we remember that....) that what was said was racist or was meant in a racist context...when earlier in the thread there's masses of evidence that was was supposedly said is in general use in vast areas of the world....Apparently Evra speaks/knows spanish, obviously the classroom variety, not the spoken word.

so what they charge him for?

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Re: Luis Suarez (back to the football)
« Reply #892 on: November 17, 2011, 04:53:42 PM »
the world really is mad. luis winds up a poisoned little manc twat by calling him a name that evra says is racist when millions of south americans use it in an entirely different way, ( even if he said it at all) and suarez gets charged by the wonderful FA, and loads of people liken him to oswald mosely. yet a set of supporters throw objects at the now labelled racist, potentially blinding him ( coins could easily do this) and nothing is done!!

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Re: Luis Suarez (back to the football)
« Reply #893 on: November 17, 2011, 04:56:08 PM »
so what they charge him for?

I don't think you get this "innocent...till proven guilty" malarkey shit do you.

Edit: Here we go then, I'm going to go to the Police and make an accusation that the poster Didi smashed me round the head with a baseball bat and stole me last 47pense and bags of monster munch.....
I'll get a crime number and everything.....

Does it mean you did it, just because I say so.....
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Re: Luis Suarez (back to the football)
« Reply #894 on: November 17, 2011, 04:58:20 PM »
Is Suarez back in Liverpool yet?
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Re: Luis Suarez (back to the football)
« Reply #895 on: November 17, 2011, 04:59:35 PM »
I remember the  RESPECT campaign and we suffered for it. They could choose to throw the book at Terry because of the obvious video evidence... but he's the England captain isn't he? Whatever the verdict Suarez has been hung to dry on allegations. It's almost impossible for him to leave unscathed from this incident. At the very least his image rights have been damaged he will be vilified wherever he goes and get no joy from the referees thus rendering him less effective.

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Re: Luis Suarez (back to the football)
« Reply #896 on: November 17, 2011, 05:01:21 PM »
Suarez to score against Chelsea then?


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Re: Luis Suarez (back to the football)
« Reply #897 on: November 17, 2011, 05:24:39 PM »
Obviously being a Liverpool forum and all, we are going to be on Suarez' side.

But some people are saying 'He didnt say anything racist'. We dont know that.

What im worried about is how the club will react to Suarez if its proven that he made racist comments.
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Re: Luis Suarez (back to the football)
« Reply #898 on: November 17, 2011, 05:27:50 PM »
Obviously being a Liverpool forum and all, we are going to be on Suarez' side.

But some people are saying 'He didnt say anything racist'. We dont know that.

What im worried about is how the club will react to Suarez if its proven that he made racist comments.

There is no way that you can prove he did. Suarez has said what he has said and admited to saying Negrito. He says this was calling him something he calls people back home. You cant prove he meant it that way or he didn't.

be a 3 game ban and a big fine.

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Re: Luis Suarez (back to the football)
« Reply #899 on: November 17, 2011, 05:29:01 PM »
What im worried about is how the club will react to Suarez if its proven that he made racist comments.

I'm really baffled as to how they can prove it, to be honest. No cameras have picked it up, I read on here that in the match report the players said they didn't hear anything and none of the officials did and nobody in the crowd heard it.
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Re: Luis Suarez (back to the football)
« Reply #900 on: November 17, 2011, 05:32:55 PM »
There is no way that you can prove he did. Suarez has said what he has said and admited to saying Negrito. He says this was calling him something he calls people back home. You cant prove he meant it that way or he didn't.

be a 3 game ban and a big fine.

Hmm possibly

The ban and the fine wont do the damage though. Suarez will be branded a racist if he is charged regardless. The media will turn even more against him and his reputation here is already poor.  :(
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Re: Luis Suarez (back to the football)
« Reply #901 on: November 17, 2011, 05:33:58 PM »
The ban and the fine wont do the damage though. Suarez will be branded a racist if he is charged regardless. The media will turn even more against him and his reputation here is already poor.  :(

Already is. Cheating, diving, whining, racist c*nt is our Luis.

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Re: Luis Suarez (back to the football)
« Reply #902 on: November 17, 2011, 05:37:09 PM »
I remember the  RESPECT campaign and we suffered for it. They could choose to throw the book at Terry because of the obvious video evidence... but he's the England captain isn't he? Whatever the verdict Suarez has been hung to dry on allegations. It's almost impossible for him to leave unscathed from this incident. At the very least his image rights have been damaged he will be vilified wherever he goes and get no joy from the referees thus rendering him less effective.

Circle the wagons.

Agree

But a google image search of Negorito isn't exactly the best form of defence - there are rather a lot of pictures of black people. And while people may post up old chocolate bars, is that not the same with us and the Golly Wog's?

to be honest it looks to me in fairness that Suarez has used a term that is still culturally acceptable in Uruguay to describe blacks, but that nowadays in England is looked upon as extremely out of order. Based on that, how do you judge? I don't think its fair to say that "He should have known after so much time in Europe" - surely he would have been told if he had offended anyone in the past and you would have expected him to have learned from it. But do you judge based on what is acceptable in England? Do you judge based on no ill intent meant/a cultural misunderstanding and warn him and all other players in the league against future conduct? Or do you just ban the fucker because racism has now become a worldwide issue and they must be seen to do something to silence the ever growing baying mob? - I would say England, but perversely I think any ban will be longer as I have mentioned previously they will need to show signs that they are stamping it out, because the players "can't kick it out themselves."

The other theory that if it is indeed a friendly name, perhaps Evra of vast experience on the pitch, trooped off at the end of the game and was bitching about Suarez in the dressing room. Trying to explain himself to Mr. Ferguson he made mention of Suarez being racist to him, with Mr Alex Ferguson going "Eh what laddie? That's unacceptable we better go speak to the ref". I mean the fact that there was a racism issue live on TV and Mr Alex Ferguson has the audacity to say "And he's a diver" like the two are in anyway comparable is a farce.

And then when it's all wrapped up, when it's all said and done, it should be made clear that disgusting chants or slurs of ANY nature are not called for, whether racism, Munich, Hillsborough, Heysel, Homophobia, the gassings in regards Tottenham. NONE of it should be acceptable, because I apologise for any lack of respect but I see no difference between them in the modern day and racism, they are all on the same footing - unacceptable.
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Re: Luis Suarez (back to the football)
« Reply #903 on: November 17, 2011, 05:37:40 PM »
Accused is not tried
If he is found guilty he is guilty
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Re: Luis Suarez (back to the football)
« Reply #904 on: November 17, 2011, 05:37:49 PM »
Yep ... and then pull his Liverpool shirt over his head to reveal this underneath in black letters on a white shirt ..

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Haha.That worked for Balotelli.He was on fire at that wretched stadium.Hopefully Suarez will do the same!
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Re: Luis Suarez (back to the football)
« Reply #905 on: November 17, 2011, 05:40:07 PM »
Accused is not tried
If he is found guilty he is guilty

Found guilty by The FA you mean - at which point he will probably hire a very good lawyer to take up his case, in a real court not a kangeroo one sponsored by Sky Sports and MUFC.
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Re: Luis Suarez (back to the football)
« Reply #906 on: November 17, 2011, 05:41:38 PM »
There is no way that you can prove he did. Suarez has said what he has said and admited to saying Negrito. He says this was calling him something he calls people back home. You cant prove he meant it that way or he didn't.

be a 3 game ban and a big fine.
Banning him for just winding Evra up and abusing him would be a piss poor decision, Abuses happen all the time in football.
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Re: Luis Suarez (back to the football)
« Reply #907 on: November 17, 2011, 05:45:53 PM »
With a lack of evidence and it being one mans word against anothers the FA will force luis to take the racism test.

I've discovered the questions.

1) Who would you rather see with their shirt off - angelina jolie or trevor mcdonald?

The following questions are about racial awareness

2) who is the president of ururguay?
3) And who is president of botswana
4) who is the queen of england?
5) who is the king of tonga?

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his hate rating based upon his answers will determine his innocence in the matter.

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Re: Luis Suarez (back to the football)
« Reply #908 on: November 17, 2011, 05:45:54 PM »
Found guilty by The FA you mean - at which point he will probably hire a very good lawyer to take up his case, in a real court not a kangeroo one sponsored by Sky Sports and MUFC.

And I hope he does if worse case does come true this will effect him in many ways with his image, sponsors and the course the clubs image etc it won't be just a ban and a fine and that's it.

You will get shit like SSN ringing his sponsors asking if they are still going to sponsor him.
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Re: Luis Suarez (back to the football)
« Reply #909 on: November 17, 2011, 05:46:22 PM »
I'm still trying to figure this out. If its alleged, that means there is no apparent evidence, does it not?

No it means it's been alleged. That's all. I don't understand why people are finding this so difficult.

1. Something happens
2. Some makes an allegation
3. There's an investigation to find whether there's a prima facie case, and if there is then charges are made.
4. The case is heard.
5. Based on the evidence a judgement is made.

Until you get to stage 5 it's an allegation. It just means that the evidence hasn't been tested, not the strength of the evidence.
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Re: Luis Suarez (back to the football)
« Reply #910 on: November 17, 2011, 05:46:57 PM »
Sad state of affairs.

People need to stop speculating.

When will the hearing be?
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« Reply #911 on: November 17, 2011, 05:51:32 PM »
So Suarez mistook him as a shortie from Oceania ...no biggie
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Re: Luis Suarez (back to the football)
« Reply #912 on: November 17, 2011, 05:54:08 PM »
Just read the case won't be heard for another 4 weeks.

This is a PR disaster.
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Re: Luis Suarez (back to the football)
« Reply #913 on: November 17, 2011, 05:59:16 PM »
Just read the case won't be heard for another 4 weeks.

This is a PR disaster.

Luis and Johno will be hugging after each of Luis' three goals on Sunday - PR repair ;)
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Re: Luis Suarez (back to the football)
« Reply #914 on: November 17, 2011, 06:00:46 PM »
Found guilty by The FA you mean - at which point he will probably hire a very good lawyer to take up his case, in a real court not a kangeroo one sponsored by Sky Sports and MUFC.

He'll have a very good lawyer already.
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Re: Luis Suarez (back to the football)
« Reply #915 on: November 17, 2011, 06:13:41 PM »
Just read the case won't be heard for another 4 weeks.



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Re: Luis Suarez (back to the football)
« Reply #916 on: November 17, 2011, 06:14:33 PM »
They were indeed. Think they sang it last season as well after winning the league.

Suarez to score against Chelsea then?
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Then in the midddle out pops a smiling glen johnson pulling up his jersey to reveal a t-shirt of suarez with a text saying. "OUR SUAREZ IS A FRIEND TO ALL COLOURS!"

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Re: Luis Suarez (back to the football)
« Reply #917 on: November 17, 2011, 06:17:35 PM »
No it means it's been alleged. That's all. I don't understand why people are finding this so difficult.

1. Something happens
2. Some makes an allegation
3. There's an investigation to find whether there's a prima facie case, and if there is then charges are made.
4. The case is heard.
5. Based on the evidence a judgement is made.

Until you get to stage 5 it's an allegation. It just means that the evidence hasn't been tested, not the strength of the evidence.

If only that post could be shown to the masses. Or, you know, a journalist actually wrote an article without twisting events.
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Re: Luis Suarez (back to the football)
« Reply #918 on: November 17, 2011, 06:17:36 PM »
So... back to the football?
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Re: Luis Suarez (back to the football)
« Reply #919 on: November 17, 2011, 06:29:49 PM »
No it means it's been alleged. That's all. I don't understand why people are finding this so difficult.

1. Something happens
2. Some makes an allegation
3. There's an investigation to find whether there's a prima facie case, and if there is then charges are made.
4. The case is heard.
5. Based on the evidence a judgement is made.

Until you get to stage 5 it's an allegation. It just means that the evidence hasn't been tested, not the strength of the evidence.
I utterly agree.....

However I must remind everyone that this isn't a court of law it's the FA.....which worries me.
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