Topic: Sebastian Coates

[Johnny Foreigner]

Just a small note on the comments that Coates is not ready and has to safeguarded into the team..

In yesterdays game vs Real Madrid away, Bayern had in their line-up :

* Alaba 92
* Kroos 90
* Badstuber 89
* Boateng 88
* Luis Gustavo 87..

And we're afraid of letting Coates (born in 90) get a game vs west brom and swansea.. Weird..

[MaschHead]

Just a small note on the comments that Coates is not ready and has to safeguarded into the team..

In yesterdays game vs Real Madrid away, Bayern had in their line-up :

* Alaba 92
* Kroos 90
* Badstuber 89
* Boateng 88
* Luis Gustavo 87..

And we're afraid of letting Coates (born in 90) get a game vs west brom and swansea.. Weird..

Bayern has had it's fair share of problems with ageing (and declining) players in the past though, before they changed their policy.

[Endoe]

Just a small note on the comments that Coates is not ready and has to safeguarded into the team..

In yesterdays game vs Real Madrid away, Bayern had in their line-up :

* Alaba 92
* Kroos 90
* Badstuber 89
* Boateng 88
* Luis Gustavo 87..

And we're afraid of letting Coates (born in 90) get a game vs west brom and swansea.. Weird..

Coates certainly looks ready to me, If I was manage I'd be asking Carra to retire or be expected to be sold.He wants to go into management when he retires, It'd probably be good for him to experience playing under a different manager at a different club, think he could do a good job at a smaller club, say West  Brom, where he'd play every week, while perhaps helping to organise the defence and helping the younger players around him. When IU saw Carra start in he FA semi, I must say I thought it was perhaps  Kenny was giving Carra a nice send off, especially with how emotional Carra was at the end, I'm probably reading to much into it, but definately think Coates is ready and a far better option than Carra. When Coates has had oppurtunities, he's looked like he belongs.

[Uruguayan36]

In my opinion Seba is not trusted by Dalglish.
According to a lot of people in this site Martin and Agger are the best players in our defense.
But i am not sure about that ... without first watching Seba playing as a starter from the beggining against a great opponent.
I have seen mistakes made by Martin and also Agger.
Also Enrique and Johnson made mistakes.
Well...if Seba made couple mistakes that is normal in my opinion...because players that are supposed to have much more experience than Coates make mistakes in nearly every game.
Can somebody tell me why Seba  is not given an opportunity to show his true value now?

[Neil D]

Just a small note on the comments that Coates is not ready and has to safeguarded into the team..

In yesterdays game vs Real Madrid away, Bayern had in their line-up :

* Alaba 92
* Kroos 90
* Badstuber 89
* Boateng 88
* Luis Gustavo 87..

And we're afraid of letting Coates (born in 90) get a game vs west brom and swansea.. Weird..

At what age did those lads go to Germany? How long have they all played in the BL and for Bayern?

[Renato]

In my opinion Seba is not trusted by Dalglish.
According to a lot of people in this site Martin and Agger are the best players in our defense.
But i am not sure about that ... without watching firs Seba playing as a starter from the beggining against a great opponent.
I have seen mistakes made by Martin and also Agger.
Also Enrique and Johnson made mistakes.
Well...if Seba made couple mistakes that is normal in my opinion...because players that are supposed to have much more experience than Coates make mistakes in nearly every game.
Can somebody tell me why Seba  is not given an opportunity to show his true value now?

Coates is good but Skrtel and Agger are better and undisputably our best central defensive partnership.

[naka]

Coates should be first reserve behind Martin and Daniel , for me Carra should only play in a major emergency.for Kenny to continually play Carra worries me and weakens any comfort I have that he is the man to take us forward.

[Get]

He looks mature and talented enough to be even a starter for us. Fantastic player.. hopefully he will get his chances.. instead of being ruined by the bench

[DanA]

Still think he'll be our new Sami Hyppia. But he's young and just finished his first season for Liverpool. I'd expect him to play 20+ games next season.

[Fromola]

In my opinion Seba is not trusted by Dalglish.
According to a lot of people in this site Martin and Agger are the best players in our defense.
But i am not sure about that ... without first watching Seba playing as a starter from the beggining against a great opponent.
I have seen mistakes made by Martin and also Agger.
Also Enrique and Johnson made mistakes.
Well...if Seba made couple mistakes that is normal in my opinion...because players that are supposed to have much more experience than Coates make mistakes in nearly every game.
Can somebody tell me why Seba  is not given an opportunity to show his true value now?

Agger and Skrtel as a partnership have always been solid. If they make mistakes it's usually alongside Carragher.

The issue is for some reason Kenny has Carragher ahead of Coates in the pecking order this season. If he didn't then Coates could have had 25 games this season and done a better job than Carragher has in those games.

[Desi Kopite]

Defo agree that Coates should be next in line to Agger/Skrts, he's a ready made centre back replacement in the Sami mould...think KK is letting his emotions/loyalty get in the way of his selection of Carra ahead of Coates, otherwise Coates certainly would have had more appearances under his belt. Carra will always remain a LFC legend, but would like to see him getting regular action elsewhere, he defo deserves to still be playing...and then would love to see him back after he hangs up his boots!

[scatman]

At what age did those lads go to Germany? How long have they all played in the BL and for Bayern?

This is Alaba's first season above reserve level, he's 2 years younger than Coates, he hasnt played in a Copa America tournament and kept clean sheets against Messi etc. He hasnt won a Copa America young player of the tournament.

Let's just make it clear, we've been a retirement home for Carragher this season and played him definitely out of sentimentality.

[jooneyisdagod]

Just a small note on the comments that Coates is not ready and has to safeguarded into the team..

In yesterdays game vs Real Madrid away, Bayern had in their line-up :

* Alaba 92
* Kroos 90
* Badstuber 89
* Boateng 88
* Luis Gustavo 87..

And we're afraid of letting Coates (born in 90) get a game vs west brom and swansea.. Weird..

Said it on another thread, we get a nose bleed every time a youngster of ours takes to the field.  The Mancs played that shitbag Macheda in games that they had to win for them to win the league and here we shat ourselves because Sterling got on for 20 minutes in a game that really didn't matter as much.

[Camarero25]

This is Alaba's first season above reserve level, he's 2 years younger than Coates, he hasnt played in a Copa America tournament and kept clean sheets against Messi etc. He hasnt won a Copa America young player of the tournament.

Let's just make it clear, we've been a retirement home for Carragher this season and played him definitely out of sentimentality.

Yep. No excuse to continue playing Carra over Coates now. Not one.

[Hazell]

Yep. No excuse to continue playing Carra over Coates now. Not one.

Think the same has been said numerous times this season. Pretty much expect Carragher to play ahead of him until the beginning of next season at least (and even then, Carragher could very well be ahead of Coates in 2012/2013) and in the FA Cup final, regardless of whether everybody's fit or not.

[cptrios]

Let's just make it clear, we've been a retirement home for Carragher this season and played him definitely out of sentimentality.

Yes, and as frustrating as it's been, I can forgive him being given "one last season," particularly since despite his many mistakes, it'd be tough to argue that we'd have gotten into the top 4 had we played a different CB. If it continues into next year though, it's going to be downright infuriating. Coates is certain to be the 1st-choice backup next season, and if he's not then it'll be time to start questioning Kenny's sanity.

[Joe_Singh]

I think they're just trying to get Carra over the 700 appearances mark.

Its wrong because LFC have never been about sentiment.

[Gainsbarre]

Just a small note on the comments that Coates is not ready and has to safeguarded into the team..

In yesterdays game vs Real Madrid away, Bayern had in their line-up :

* Alaba 92
* Kroos 90
* Badstuber 89
* Boateng 88
* Luis Gustavo 87..

And we're afraid of letting Coates (born in 90) get a game vs west brom and swansea.. Weird..

It's just a poor excuse to hide behind .. He wont be ready staying on the bench.. and when you see Carragher get games at his place you start  wonder where's the logic of it...

[Cid]

I think they're just trying to get Carra over the 700 appearances mark.

Its wrong because LFC have never been about sentiment.

Has occured to me.  The club seem to place a lot of importance on Carra's appearances.  It'll mean nothing if he gets the last few to the detriment of the team though.

[lorenzo23]

Football waits for no man, apart from are Carra!

[SabrinaLFC]

I honestly don't understand why we didn't play him more whilst Agger was injured. The whole point of this season was for him to get used to the league, but he can't really have done that from the bench

We haven't had much to play for in the league for a few months now and yet we'll now be throwing him in next season in games we'll need to win

[Nessy76]

In my opinion Seba is not trusted by Dalglish.
According to a lot of people in this site Martin and Agger are the best players in our defense.
But i am not sure about that ... without first watching Seba playing as a starter from the beggining against a great opponent.
I have seen mistakes made by Martin and also Agger.
Also Enrique and Johnson made mistakes.
Well...if Seba made couple mistakes that is normal in my opinion...because players that are supposed to have much more experience than Coates make mistakes in nearly every game.
Can somebody tell me why Seba  is not given an opportunity to show his true value now?

Everyone makes some mistakes from time to time. Agger and Skrtel are the best partnership we have because they have played together for years and their skill sets complement one another perfectly. Coates looks good, very good, but he'd have to be extraordinarily good to force his way past those two into a permanent slot.

I hope he does it, if we end up with a partnership that's even better than Agger/Skrtel then we'll have the tightest defence in Europe.

For me, and from the sounds of it, for most of us, Coates should be 3rd choice, ahead of Carragher. I expect that to happen next season.

[Nessy76]

I think they're just trying to get Carra over the 700 appearances mark.

Its wrong because LFC have never been about sentiment.

I can see why you might think that, but it's something I find very, very hard to believe. Kenny has more sense, and Steve Clarke should have no sentiment about Carra in the first place.

[JongWK]

Wikipedia states that Carra has 694 games for Liverpool. If the club is aiming for 700, there are 4 PL games, the FA Cup final, and the North American friendlies left this season.

[Nessy76]

Wikipedia states that Carra has 694 games for Liverpool. If the club is aiming for 700, there are 4 PL games, the FA Cup final, and the North American friendlies left this season.

Friendlies don't count.

[eLToRo]

Just a small note on the comments that Coates is not ready and has to safeguarded into the team..

In yesterdays game vs Real Madrid away, Bayern had in their line-up :

* Alaba 92
* Kroos 90
* Badstuber 89
* Boateng 88
* Luis Gustavo 87..

And we're afraid of letting Coates (born in 90) get a game vs west brom and swansea.. Weird..

There all German except gustavo and alaba. Its Coates first year in England so there is going to have to be time to settle.As much as I think he is better than Carra Im sure  that he was 4th choice as a means of trying to let him settle .We have skrtel and agger ahead of him and carra is phasing out.Foreign players especially young wont be at there best in their first year except in some circumstances.So Kenny prob thought it was better to let carra step in when we had an injury instead of throwing and generally unknown youngster who hasnt played much before into the centre of our defence.


He will be 3rd choice next year.Carra will fall back.

[Zlenpasha]

I can see us having pretty much same discussions about Carragher and Coates next year and it freaks me out.

[shook]

Wikipedia states that Carra has 694 games for Liverpool. If the club is aiming for 700, there are 4 PL games, the FA Cup final, and the North American friendlies left this season.

Carling Cup next year, and weak Europa opponents.  Should cover it.

[Carra23]

Carragher has played 696 games for Liverpool so he can reach the 700 THIS season then move over for Coates NEXT season.

[Tepid water]

Carragher has played 696 games for Liverpool so he can reach the 700 THIS season then move over for Coates NEXT season.

He'll struggle to hit 700 this season....!

Seriously, he will hit it in a couple of minor games next season.

It's time for Coates to step up next season and become the first reserve centre back.

[kates bush]

I can see us having pretty much same discussions about Carragher and Coates next year and it freaks me out.

Yeah, being clairvoyant can be freaky.

[Kage]

Do people really think that Kenny Dalglish puts sentiment over what is best for LFC? Seriously?

[Melbred]

I think he has done so with Carragher.

[suredross]

At what age did those lads go to Germany? How long have they all played in the BL and for Bayern?

Luis Gustavo is in his third year (i believe in BL, started with Hoffenheim). Badstuber is also having 3rd year in the BL although this season has been his most consistent appearances. Similar can be said of Kroos too.
I think the earlier we give Coates some games, the better for us especially when Agger is unavailable.

[MartinSkrtelsBasement]

Just a small note on the comments that Coates is not ready and has to safeguarded into the team..

In yesterdays game vs Real Madrid away, Bayern had in their line-up :

* Alaba 92
* Kroos 90
* Badstuber 89
* Boateng 88
* Luis Gustavo 87..

And we're afraid of letting Coates (born in 90) get a game vs west brom and swansea.. Weird..

[Fromola]

He'll struggle to hit 700 this season....!

Seriously, he will hit it in a couple of minor games next season.

It's time for Coates to step up next season and become the first reserve centre back.

If it was all about 700 games then he could have picked him against Blackburn and not played him in the semi final, but he played him in the semi and rested him against Blackburn.

Kenny risked his job playing him in the semi, so would he really risk his job out of sentiment? He must really believe Carragher's still good enough. I'm not sure which of the two is more worrying to be honest.

[Zlenpasha]

Yeah, being clairvoyant can be freaky.

Let's hope I'm very wrong as I usually am.

[Drinks Sangria]

If it was all about 700 games then he could have picked him against Blackburn and not played him in the semi final, but he played him in the semi and rested him against Blackburn.

Kenny risked his job playing him in the semi, so would he really risk his job out of sentiment? He must really believe Carragher's still good enough. I'm not sure which of the two is more worrying to be honest.

I'm not so sure about that, I think there was plenty sentiment involved. And Kenny's a truly class guy, remember that. If you remove all sentiment from football, I don't think what's left is worth paying to watch week-in, week out. Take Shankly, as much as he was a great man and manager, when all was said and done, he was a sentimental bloke who loved the club and the fans. Kenny's the same. I reckon he was hoping that Carra's passion and love for the club would carry him through the semi. And it just about did.

[RayPhilAlan]

This is Alaba's first season above reserve level, he's 2 years younger than Coates, he hasnt played in a Copa America tournament and kept clean sheets against Messi etc. He hasnt won a Copa America young player of the tournament.

Coates had a fine Copa America, but he was suspended for the game against Argentina. One day he'll play against Messi, but not yet.

[Fromola]

I'm not so sure about that, I think there was plenty sentiment involved. And Kenny's a truly class guy, remember that. If you remove all sentiment from football, I don't think what's left is worth paying to watch week-in, week out. Take Shankly, as much as he was a great man and manager, when all was said and done, he was a sentimental bloke who loved the club and the fans. Kenny's the same. I reckon he was hoping that Carra's passion and love for the club would carry him through the semi. And it just about did.

What i'm saying is either Kenny picked Carragher for that semi because he thinks he's good enough or he picked him out of sentiment. If he just picked him out of sentiment then he's put Carragher before the good of the club in what was IMO our biggest game in years against our biggest rivals. If he's picked him because he thinks he's good enough then you'd have to question his judgement because I don't know anyone who thinks he should be in the team ahead of Coates let alone move Agger out of position for him.