Topic: LFC argue for fairer distribution of overseas media rights.

[graffspider]

Doesn't that go on parachute payments etc?

Ah, parachute payments. Now *there* is a fundamentally unfair system keeping the rich clubs rich (and yes, that include shitty teams like Wigan) and the poor clubs poor. No-one seems to complain about that, though - it's perfectly acceptable to give a permanent advantage to teams with Premier League status, particularly if you're a club like Wigan or West Brom that permanently flirts with relegation. Anyone would think they had a God given right to the money....

[CraigDS]

HAHA.

Very good point, lowly as can be and i fucking love it!

Still, a lowly team that you take two players from, and got shat on at SJP 3-1.

Oh yeah sorry, i forgot, that was your 'Hodgson Era' wasn't it... HAHAHAHA hilar.

Good times.

Well if you've nothing more to add then sure some interesting Newcastle board you can go and chat with your fellow lowly supporters.

[-Q-]

Everyone seems to have entrenched themselves here. Then you have the likes of me and a few others milling about in no man's land, arguing for a fair and sensible compromise that doesn't ruin anything.

Fair compromise =

Liverpool sell our own rights on a package deal or PPV basis and the away teams take 25% of that TV money (very generous imo).

[istvan kosma]

HAHA.

Very good point, lowly as can be and i fucking love it!

Still, a lowly team that you take two players from, and got shat on at SJP 3-1.

Oh yeah sorry, i forgot, that was your 'Hodgson Era' wasn't it... HAHAHAHA hilar.

go spend ya 35 mill if ya can find it!

[CraigDS]

Everyone seems to have entrenched themselves here. Then you have the likes of me and a few others milling about in no man's land, arguing for a fair and sensible compromise that doesn't ruin anything.

I think MOST the people arguing for this are mainly arguing for some sort of compromise rather than full blown we get our own rights to sell and thats that - I also think this is what the club would want.

[-Q-]

Ah, parachute payments. Now *there* is a fundamentally unfair system keeping the rich clubs rich (and yes, that include shitty teams like Wigan) and the poor clubs poor. No-one seems to complain about that, though - it's perfectly acceptable to give a permanent advantage to teams with Premier League status, particularly if you're a club like Wigan or West Brom that permanently flirts with relegation. Anyone would think they had a God given right to the money....

I have complained quite a bit in this thread that the likes of Bolton and Stoke are artificially advantaged over the promoted teams by virtue of them getting into the PL at the right time.

[iheartthetoons]

And you're calling some of our fans numbskulls?

Geodie fans in general are a pleasant bunch, don't mind the club either and like to see them doing relatively well.

You're just an embarassment to that fanbase though.

I'm merely replying to the comments im having thrown at me, and having an opinion on some of your fans opinion on TV rights. And i think you'll find that most Newcastle fans would react this way. I'm not a knob, i'm winding up some people on here that are trying to wind me up, no embarrassment there.

[Rox]

You've been blinded by success and money, and it's turned you into thinking you have a god given right to have what is yours.

 

 

[J-Mc-]

I'm merely replying to the comments im having thrown at me, and having an opinion on some of your fans opinion on TV rights. And i think you'll find that most Newcastle fans would react this way. I'm not a knob, i'm winding up some people on here that are trying to wind me up, no embarrassment there.

It's fine giving as much as you're given, but you're post came across as childish to say the least.

If you want to give it back then give it back with an intelligent post and not one filled with 'HAHAHA.'

[-Q-]

 

They haven't heard of irony in Newcastle...

[Rox]

They haven't heard of irony in Newcastle...

That's what the bridge is made of, surely?

[TheTeflonJohn]

I'm merely replying to the comments im having thrown at me, and having an opinion on some of your fans opinion on TV rights. And i think you'll find that most Newcastle fans would react this way. I'm not a knob, i'm winding up some people on here that are trying to wind me up, no embarrassment there.

I see your a female from Brighton confessing your not a knob 

[iheartthetoons]

It's fine giving as much as you're given, but you're post came across as childish to say the least.

If you want to give it back then give it back with an intelligent post and not one filled with 'HAHAHA.'

I don't really have much else to go on other than gloating about a result and having it pushed in my face that Newcastle are a lowly team. It's fine, but just because the toon aren't a top 6 team, no way do i shit on other teams and call them lowly. I have respect for football and their players. I have respect when Newcastle take players off other clubs, and some of these guys just throw it in my face.

I said i always liked Liverpool, always wanted them to do well, and that some of the reaction on this board is a massive reason why other fans look to Liverpool in a different light.

Yes and all have a big hoohaa how i said 'god given right to what is ours' but i'm right, that kinda talk is selfish and it is actually why humanity is so fucking horrible. This is only football of course but you get the picture.

Maybe i'm too much of a lefty to be here!

[kopitecrash]

Ah, parachute payments. Now *there* is a fundamentally unfair system keeping the rich clubs rich (and yes, that include shitty teams like Wigan) and the poor clubs poor. No-one seems to complain about that, though - it's perfectly acceptable to give a permanent advantage to teams with Premier League status, particularly if you're a club like Wigan or West Brom that permanently flirts with relegation. Anyone would think they had a God given right to the money....

Yeah, helped Sheffield united, Birmingham, Watford et all didnt it? That money isn't to give an advantage, it's to stop the club from collapsing under wages that were based on a premier league income. And even if it didn't, how does that justify anything? This whole debate has been full of 'oh things are bad so lets make them worse' arguments that hold no justification for taking even more money off these clubs.

[iheartthetoons]

I see your a female from Brighton confessing your not a knob 

Believe what you see, definitely not a knob though.

[soberphobia]

HAHA.

Very good point, lowly as can be and i fucking love it!

Still, a lowly team that you take two players from, and got shat on at SJP 3-1.

Oh yeah sorry, i forgot, that was your 'Hodgson Era' wasn't it... HAHAHAHA hilar.

Your original posts were well thought out and interesting but you allowed yourself to be wound up and got sucked in to going off topic. I understand owners wanting to get a higher return for their "brand" rather than sharing revenue streams. One of the things that appealed to or current owners about buying Liverpool was the income from the club primarily stays with the club unlike MLB where the Redsox which are a high income earner have to distribute more of their funds throughout the competition.

The divide between rich and poor is perhaps greater in football than any other team sport already and we do face the prospect of the leagues becoming farcical if we are not there already. I remember QPR and Notts Forest winning the league and those type of clubs never will again which i think is a little sad that the playing field is less even.

I am a Liverpool supporter and have been my whole life but at the same time if the competition is not healthy then the prize has less shine. I am not sure of what the answer is but i do know the league is less interesting and vibrant as a competition than it once was. It is undoubtedly marketed and presented better though.

[-Q-]

Yeah, helped Sheffield united, Birmingham, Watford et all didnt it? That money isn't to give an advantage, it's to stop the club from collapsing under wages that were based on a premier league income. And even if it didn't, how does that justify anything? This whole debate has been full of 'oh things are bad so lets make them worse' arguments that hold no justification for taking even more money off these clubs.

a) if it is about wages, stick a relegation clause in all your contracts - problem solved, or sell your players.
b) if the parachute advantage didn't help them clubs, how will money help us?

[Rox]

Yes and all have a big hoohaa how i said 'god given right to what is ours' but i'm right, that kinda talk is selfish and it is actually why humanity is so fucking horrible. This is only football of course but you get the picture.

Nice try.  You said "You've been blinded by success and money, and it's turned you into thinking you have a god given right to have what is yours."

You might want to look up the difference between 'ours' and 'yours', because it changes the context of a statement massively.

[kopitecrash]

I don't really have much else to go on other than gloating about a result and having it pushed in my face that Newcastle are a lowly team. It's fine, but just because the toon aren't a top 6 team, no way do i shit on other teams and call them lowly. I have respect for football and their players. I have respect when Newcastle take players off other clubs, and some of these guys just throw it in my face.

I said i always liked Liverpool, always wanted them to do well, and that some of the reaction on this board is a massive reason why other fans look to Liverpool in a different light.

Yes and all have a big hoohaa how i said 'god given right to what is ours' but i'm right, that kinda talk is selfish and it is actually why humanity is so fucking horrible. This is only football of course but you get the picture.

Maybe i'm too much of a lefty to be here!

I wouldn't worry about it. Liverpool fans have not done themselves any favours over the past few days. Treating smaller clubs with the contempt some have shown is frankly disgraceful.

[iheartthetoons]

Your original posts were well thought out and interesting but you allowed yourself to be wound up and got sucked in to going off topic.

Indeed, but i am only human when being provoked.

[-Q-]

Yes and all have a big hoohaa how i said 'god given right to what is ours' but i'm right, that kinda talk is selfish and it is actually why humanity is so fucking horrible. This is only football of course but you get the picture.

Maybe i'm too much of a lefty to be here!

This has to be the most hilarious statement ever uttered on RAWK.

[kopitecrash]

a) if it is about wages, stick a relegation clause in all your contracts - problem solved, or sell your players.
b) if the parachute advantage didn't help them clubs, how will money help us?

players don't like having relegation clauses - they like earning money, remember? and money will help us because we haven't been fucking relegated and suffering a massive windfall in money to cope.

[Hazell]

I wouldn't worry about it. Liverpool fans have not done themselves any favours over the past few days. Treating smaller clubs with the contempt some have shown is frankly disgraceful.

I'm sure those other clubs were really worried about us potentially going into administration last season.

[J-Mc-]

I don't really have much else to go on other than gloating about a result and having it pushed in my face that Newcastle are a lowly team. It's fine, but just because the toon aren't a top 6 team, no way do i shit on other teams and call them lowly. I have respect for football and their players. I have respect when Newcastle take players off other clubs, and some of these guys just throw it in my face.

I said i always liked Liverpool, always wanted them to do well, and that some of the reaction on this board is a massive reason why other fans look to Liverpool in a different light.

Yes and all have a big hoohaa how i said 'god given right to what is ours' but i'm right, that kinda talk is selfish and it is actually why humanity is so fucking horrible. This is only football of course but you get the picture.

Maybe i'm too much of a lefty to be here!

We've won the most European cups in England, we're now second on titles which has took United 20 years to catch up with and we also have most honours in the country. You can excuse some of our fanbase for thinking that we've got some 'God Given Right' (as you put it) to success.

You'll find that most on here though, although expect us to win games and trophies, know that we're going through a rebuilding process, with the main aim this season, being getting back into the Champions League, something which we've generally dominated in during our participation, beating the likes of Barcelona, Real Madrid, Juventus, Inter Milan and AC Milan.

Like someone has already said, don't brand us all with the same brush, most know we're going through (another) rebuild and won't be winning the league title this season.

[-Q-]

players don't like having relegation clauses - they like earning money, remember?

So...?

and money will help us because we haven't been fucking relegated and suffering a massive windfall in money to cope.

Teams need to cut their cloth accordingly.  Blackpool and WBA did it the right way.

[iheartthetoons]

I'm sure those other clubs were really worried about us potentially going into administration last season.

Why do you say that? I don't think i ever had a moment and was like 'you know what, it would be so great if a club that pioneered successful english football just collapsed on itself.' Never.

[CraigDS]

I wouldn't worry about it. Liverpool fans have not done themselves any favours over the past few days. Treating smaller clubs with the contempt some have shown is frankly disgraceful.

Its also shown that not only have our board been stuck in the dark ages when it comes to getting this club back to the top.

The game of football have moved on from the ideals of yesteryear. Thats not because of us, christ we've tried to stay in the dark ages for long enough and is why we are where we are today. The game moved on because of the governing bodies such as UEFA, FIFA and the PL itself.

We either accept that and move with it, or we accept we are going to become an also ran with the likes of Villa and settle for that.

I for one am happy to move with the times, yes its a different game than it used to be, and yes its probably worse for it, but the other option is not what Liverpool is about. We are about winning.

And don't mistake the above for wanting to make the PL less competitive, or to screw the little man - the league can benefit, the clubs can benefit and most important of all we can take charge of one of our unique selling points and capitalise on it.

[Hazell]

Why do you say that? I don't think i ever had a moment and was like 'you know what, it would be so great if a club that pioneered successful english football just collapsed on itself.' Never.

A lot of fans of other clubs were. I'm sure they're up in arms now.

Clubs generally tend to look out for themselves - make no mistake, if this benefitted Newcastle, your club wouldn't be complaining. Liverpool fans aren't treating other clubs 'with contempt', they understand the club is trying to do the best for themselves. It's only natural.

[Andy @ Allerton]

Why do you say that? I don't think i ever had a moment and was like 'you know what, it would be so great if a club that pioneered successful english football just collapsed on itself.' Never.

As long as Newcastle go bust I think everyone is happy.

[rob1408]

I can't bring myself to agree with Ayre, it's against my principals and although football has changed, I still feel it goes against what this club and City were founded on.  That said, I'm probably looking at things with a sense of nostalgia, football is now a business and as we all know business is cut-throat. 

Part of me though thinks fuck'em.  I remember the shite we got when we were clinging on financially, a surprising amount of rival fans were actually hoping we'd go under, and these weren't just United and Everton fans.

[TheTeflonJohn]

It`s a difficult situation this. I can see both sides of the argument. I do think we have a "god given right" to expect to receive what we earn. At the same time I wouldn`t want to diminish the power and excitement of the league by turning it into a formality like Scotland and Spain.

Although isn`t our league already a formality ? I`m confused about what would be best.

Personally I couldn`t give a toss about other teams and their finances, I`m only concerned about LFC. I see Dave Whelan has been spouting off again saying he`s disgusted at Ayre etc. I suppose you would be if you were dining at someone else table and then realised there`s a chance you might have stand on your own two feet and  go and find your own food

[west_london_red]

Why do you say that? I don't think i ever had a moment and was like 'you know what, it would be so great if a club that pioneered successful english football just collapsed on itself.' Never.

You may not have, and thats a credit to you. But you only have to look at Leeds to see how clubs act when they see a club on its knees, the 'vultures' (and that includes Liverpool) will strip away whatever they can for as little as they can. Was no different to when we were having money issues and clubs were making derisory offers for our players. Rightly or wrongly its every club for themselves.

[vishy01234]

Its also shown that not only have our board been stuck in the dark ages when it comes to getting this club back to the top.

The game of football have moved on from the ideals of yesteryear. Thats not because of us, christ we've tried to stay in the dark ages for long enough and is why we are where we are today. The game moved on because of the governing bodies such as UEFA, FIFA and the PL itself.

We either accept that and move with it, or we accept we are going to become an also ran with the likes of Villa and settle for that.

I for one am happy to move with the times, yes its a different game than it used to be, and yes its probably worse for it, but the other option is not what Liverpool is about. We are about winning.

And don't mistake the above for wanting to make the PL less competitive, or to screw the little man - the league can benefit, the clubs can benefit and most important of all we can take charge of one of our unique selling points and capitalise on it.

Well said - this is the simple truth. We must move with the time and look after our own interests.

This means raising revenues, reducing debts, naming rights, tapping into new markets, bigger stadium, more corporate areas, improving the supporter experience ... anything to improve the club and get one over the competition. It's just how it has to be. If you want real sport, then football is no longer your game. But for the love of LFC and what it means to us, we must embrace change.

[CraigDS]

It's fine, but just because the toon aren't a top 6 team, no way do i shit on other teams and call them lowly. I have respect for football and their players. I have respect when Newcastle take players off other clubs, and some of these guys just throw it in my face.

You were the one who called the other teams lowly. I simply repeated it back to you.

And for the record, what would you like the lower clubs in the PL to be called? I don't think calling some team in the lower parts of the league 'lowly' is particularly disparaging, in fact its more like the correct adjective to use.

[-Q-]

It`s a difficult situation this. I can see both sides of the argument. I do think we have a "god given right" to expect to receive what we earn. At the same time I wouldn`t want to diminish the power and excitement of the league by turning it into a formality like Scotland and Spain.

Although isn`t our league already a formality ? I`m confused about what would be best.

If it is going to be a formality, we may as well be winning it

[Five Times]

Maybe i'm too much of a lefty to be here!

This has to be the most hilarious statement ever uttered on RAWK.

Why? I know Blair abolished clause 4, but he was a c**t for doing so. Anyone who believes we should go after 100% of "our" overseas broadcasting rights is an unreconstituted free marketeer and, therefore, a bastard

[kopitecrash]

I'm sure those other clubs were really worried about us potentially going into administration last season.

oh look! two wrongs making a right again! even if you do believe that the majority wanted liverpool's demise...

[-Q-]

Why?

The idea that you can be too lefty to be on RAWK is funny.

I know Blair abolished clause 4, but he was a c**t for doing so. Anyone who believes we should go after 100% of "our" overseas broadcasting rights is an unreconstituted free marketeer and, therefore, a bastard

I'm an unreconstituted free marketeer a bastard, nice to meet you

[TheTeflonJohn]

Why? I know Blair abolished clause 4, but he was a c**t for doing so. Anyone who believes we should go after 100% of "our" overseas broadcasting rights is an unreconstituted free marketeer and, therefore, a bastard

Are you being serious or have I read that wrong?

[Hazell]

oh look! two wrongs making a right again! even if you do believe that the majority wanted liverpool's demise...

The lines about what's wrong and what's right in this is very blurred.

My point was about us supposedly having a responsibility to other clubs when those clubs wouldn't feel the same if the shoe was on the other foot.