Topic: The Six Yard Box

[Roy of the rovers]

So here's a curious stat.

Goals scored from:

R   Team        In 6 Yards Box        In 18 Yards Box                  Outside of Box
1   Everton              15%                                  37%                                 48%
2   Stoke              13%                                  44%                                 44%
3   Blackburn              13%                                 43%                                  45%
4   Newcastle      12%                                49%                                 39%
5   Wolverhampton  11%                               51%                                39%
6   Man United    10%                                54%                                36%
7   Wigan                 9%                             48%                               43%
8   Man City                7%                          53%                                          39%
9   Fulham                 6%                            51%                              42%
10   Bolton                 6%                          52%                                        42%
11   Arsenal               6%                              49%                               45%
12   Aston Villa        6%                           52%                                     42%
13   Queens Park        5%                             36%                                     59%
14   West Bromwich   5%                        46%                                          49%
15   Chelsea                  4%                        56%                                         40%
16   Tottenham       4%                         56%                                       40%
17   Norwich               4%                        46%                                       50%
18   Swansea               4%                       56%                                   40%
19   Sunderland   3%                               47%                                      51%
20   Liverpool               2%                            59%                                         39%

http://www.whoscored.com/Regions/252/Tournaments/2/Seasons/2935/Stages/5476/Analysis/England-Premier-League-2011-2012

We're also bottom for goals conceded from the 6-yard box.

Any ideas why?

[trembles97]

Is this percentage of shots in different areas?

[YayaP]

Is this percentage of shots in different areas?

Or perhaps percentage of goals from different areas? Though it'd be tough to believe 40% of our goals come from outside the 18.

[Roy of the rovers]

Sorry folks, posted prematurely - now with explanation

As i read it, it's where we take our shots from. I.e. there's no goal-mouth action at either end from Liverpool...

[Roy of the rovers]

Is this percentage of shots in different areas?

Yes, as I read it

[Carra-ton]

Our finishing is pretty pap, and without Meireles and Maxi, we have no one making that run to the far post, to make the tap-ins.

[edmundljs]

Kuyt will score another 3 against the mancs from the six yard box come Saturday.

[Gee, Stevie]

It looks like the number for each category represents the % of all goals scored from each part of the pitch (with the total obviously coming to 100%).

Not sure exactly what it says yet, but if it's only taken from this season's league games it isn't exactly the biggest sample size.

Here's some more info on goals and shots taken from "oh you beauty":

http://ohyoubeauty.blogspot.com/2011/10/seven-game-shots-comparison-09-10-1112.html

[Dmode101]

take carra out of the equation and I bet the reverse will happen. simply put, we defend too deep and hence our midfielders like lucas and adam and strikers like suarez and carroll, all with average pace cant move up fast enough for the counter or even build up near opposition  6 yard most of the times without compromising poor old carra. our favorite scouse legend who refuse to be dropped or else. 

this is a classic example of having a hunch with what your eyes have seen and then the stats proved it. We are carrying carra with a state of mental denial to the extent far beyond other teams - who would have benched a player like carra.

[Torpedo Tommy]

A very small distance between inside the 6 yd box and outside it? The ball not breaking for us?

The point made above about people making a run and actually being in the 6 yd box is a fair one too

[Torpedo Tommy]

take carra out of the equation and I bet the reverse will happen. simply put, we defend too deep and hence our midfielders like lucas and adam and strikers like suarez and carroll, all with average pace cant move up fast enough for the counter or even build up near opposition  6 yard most of the times without compromising poor old carra. our favorite scouse legend who refuse to be dropped or else. 

this is a classic example of having a hunch with what your eyes have seen and then the stats proved it. We are carrying carra with a state of mental denial to the extent far beyond other teams - who would have benched a player like carra.

[Number 7]

I'm sure those numbers would be higher in each category if we'd converted the chances we've been creating. We've missed 2 penalties. We hit the post/bar twice against Wolves and twice against Everton. I think it was twice against Sunderland as well, I definitely remember Downing hitting the bar in that game. In the Stoke game we had about 4 shots blocked that looked to be going in. We're bringing about really good saves in goalies too.

One of these days we are going to seriously tonk someone.

[Dmode101]

is that a state of denial smiley? kool

[redforlife]

How many years does that go back?

[Junkle]

This is for which period??? I don't remember Kuyt scoring from outside the 18 yard. If those stats are for the last 5 years it would mean that it is only Kuyt who scores from the goal line and every one else scores from further back. Again, those stats indicate our lack of predator in the box in the mould of Robbie Fowler.

[Crosby Wych]

take carra out of the equation and I bet the reverse will happen. simply put, we defend too deep and hence our midfielders like lucas and adam and strikers like suarez and carroll, all with average pace cant move up fast enough for the counter or even build up near opposition  6 yard most of the times without compromising poor old carra. our favorite scouse legend who refuse to be dropped or else. 

this is a classic example of having a hunch with what your eyes have seen and then the stats proved it. We are carrying carra with a state of mental denial to the extent far beyond other teams - who would have benched a player like carra.

 Embarassing.

[Dmode101]

Embarassing.

oneliners...we know...the truth hurts. perhaps you are standing too close to the white elephant to notice it.

and by the same token, your comments hurt our CBs rightly worthy of the place with merit. skrtl n agger. you are blocking their progress and the introduction of any potential CB like coatez or any of those that have came in the past few years.  carra deficiency has stagnated us a team for too long, and your blind loyalty is doing the club no good.

[Kochevnik]

take carra out of the equation and I bet the reverse will happen. simply put, we defend too deep and hence our midfielders like lucas and adam and strikers like suarez and carroll, all with average pace cant move up fast enough for the counter or even build up near opposition  6 yard most of the times without compromising poor old carra. our favorite scouse legend who refuse to be dropped or else. 

this is a classic example of having a hunch with what your eyes have seen and then the stats proved it. We are carrying carra with a state of mental denial to the extent far beyond other teams - who would have benched a player like carra.

This is one of the strangest leaps in logic I have ever seen:

"We score fewer goals from inside the 6 box than the other teams."

"Must be Carra's fault, that scouse bastard."

[Stanno06]

take carra out of the equation and I bet the reverse will happen. simply put, we defend too deep and hence our midfielders like lucas and adam and strikers like suarez and carroll, all with average pace cant move up fast enough for the counter or even build up near opposition  6 yard most of the times without compromising poor old carra. our favorite scouse legend who refuse to be dropped or else. 

this is a classic example of having a hunch with what your eyes have seen and then the stats proved it. We are carrying carra with a state of mental denial to the extent far beyond other teams - who would have benched a player like carra.

Seems no thread is safe anymore.

Haters gonna hate i suppose.

[jaffod]

take carra out of the equation and I bet the reverse will happen. simply put, we defend too deep and hence our midfielders like lucas and adam and strikers like suarez and carroll, all with average pace cant move up fast enough for the counter or even build up near opposition  6 yard most of the times without compromising poor old carra. our favorite scouse legend who refuse to be dropped or else. 

this is a classic example of having a hunch with what your eyes have seen and then the stats proved it. We are carrying carra with a state of mental denial to the extent far beyond other teams - who would have benched a player like carra.

No need, just no fucking need.

I've had a hunch for years that if we got more men into the box and had more than one player willing to follow in for a rebound then we might score more goals from close in.

[NOTBORNIN1982]

take carra out of the equation and I bet the reverse will happen. simply put, we defend too deep and hence our midfielders like lucas and adam and strikers like suarez and carroll, all with average pace cant move up fast enough for the counter or even build up near opposition  6 yard most of the times without compromising poor old carra. our favorite scouse legend who refuse to be dropped or else. 

this is a classic example of having a hunch with what your eyes have seen and then the stats proved it. We are carrying carra with a state of mental denial to the extent far beyond other teams - who would have benched a player like carra.

Cringe of the day award   

[redbyrdz]

Two reasons - not enough runners, and our shiteness from corners.
Interestingly, we're top from inside the 18 yard box.

[bleedsred1978]

We're also bottom for goals conceded from the 6-yard box.

Any ideas why?

That's not a great stat for Pepe if true.

Six yard box is the keepers domain.

Edit: Sorry should be the other way around.

Well done Pepe.

[redbyrdz]

That's not a great stat for Pepe if true.

Six yard box is the keepers domain.

I thought 'bottom of goals conceded' means we've conceded the least from there, and put that down to Reina being great.
What's it mean Roy?

[SP]

It is not Goals. It is Shots. It is where we have taken shots from, not where we have scored from. 2% in the 6 yard box would mean that we have scored at least 40 goals.

The defensive stats is interesting. No shots from within the 6 yard box. That is hugely impressive for Pepe

[bleedsred1978]

I thought 'bottom of goals conceded' means we've conceded the least from there, and put that down to Reina being great.
What's it mean Roy?

It is not Goals. It is Shots. It is where we have taken shots from, not where we have scored from. 2% in the 6 yard box would mean that we have scored at least 40 goals.

The defensive stats is interesting. No shots from within the 6 yard box. That is hugely impressive for Pepe

Nice one, read that wrong then.

well done Pepe.

[Wesley Pipes]

That percentage will skyrocket when Andys confidence does.

[John C]

How far back does this go? Nonetheless its very interesting and adds to my concern that Andy Carroll isn't getting sufficient service to the areas where he can cause damage.

He simply has to be presented with more chances in those key areas to allow him to develop as a striker.

[SP]

How far back does this go? Nonetheless its very interesting and adds to my concern that Andy Carroll isn't getting sufficient service to the areas where he can cause damage.

He simply has to be presented with more chances in those key areas to allow him to develop as a striker.

This season. League games only.

[Wesley Pipes]

7 games in, alot will change... we haven't even hit stride yet.

[lincolnred-dad]

from what i can see this gives no indication of how many goals are scored from these areas, just the percentages. so maybe it's something as simple as our finishing is too good that we don't get those keeper spills or post rebounds/ goal scrambles that lead to a large % of inside the 6 yards area goals.

as we score most of our goals in either the 18 yard area or outside the box it shows that we are getting shots away before the keeper and the defence get time to close us down and set themselves.

a better stat would be how many shots in each area with the % that are successful. if only 2% of our goals come from inside the 6 yard area but they account for only 3% of our chances and we are successful with 90% of the shots, then surely thats better than say 15% of your goals from there but 80% of your chances and a crap success rate?

surely where you score the goals doesn't matter as it's a chance completion rate that is more important!
plus the 6 yard area is so small compared to the others and the defence will usually have a bigger % of the goal blocked when the ball is there.

[lincolnred-dad]

It is not Goals. It is Shots. It is where we have taken shots from, not where we have scored from. 2% in the 6 yard box would mean that we have scored at least 40 goals.

The defensive stats is interesting. No shots from within the 6 yard box. That is hugely impressive for Pepe

ahh i see. i think my point still stands about the finishing (or belief of ability to finish) being good enough that we dont need to get into the 6 yard area.

[RED-EAZY]

Its because we have suarez and he only shoots from inside the box??

[DutchRed]

The Bitters topping a stat and us rock bottom. Where can I pre-order the DVD?

[Roy of the rovers]

The Bitters topping a stat and us rock bottom. Where can I pre-order the DVD?

 

[john_mac]

Its completely pointless, everyone scores 100% of their goals, does it really matter if you score 1%of your goals from inside the six yard box and 99% outside?

If we score 1% of 100 goals at the end of the season is that surely not better than scoring 50% of 50 from inside it?

Obsession of some with stats, of some, is just pathetic.

The stats that count- number of points won at the end of the season in comparison with other teams in the same division.

[Tepid water]

Why do we have a six yard box anyway?

[john_mac]

Why do we have a six yard box anyway?

For goal kicks, 100% of which are taken from inside it. Now what does that stat tell us?

[Tepid water]

For goal kicks, 100% of which are taken from inside it. Now what does that stat tell us?

Is that all?

Think of the White paint we could save if we got rid of it!

[fizzyp]

So here's a curious stat.

Goals scored from:

R   Team        In 6 Yards Box        In 18 Yards Box                  Outside of Box
1   Everton              15%                                  37%                                 48%
2   Stoke              13%                                  44%                                 44%
3   Blackburn              13%                                 43%                                  45%
4   Newcastle      12%                                49%                                 39%
5   Wolverhampton  11%                               51%                                39%
6   Man United    10%                                54%                                36%
7   Wigan                 9%                             48%                               43%
8   Man City                7%                          53%                                          39%
9   Fulham                 6%                            51%                              42%
10   Bolton                 6%                          52%                                        42%
11   Arsenal               6%                              49%                               45%
12   Aston Villa        6%                           52%                                     42%
13   Queens Park        5%                             36%                                     59%
14   West Bromwich   5%                        46%                                          49%
15   Chelsea                  4%                        56%                                         40%
16   Tottenham       4%                         56%                                       40%
17   Norwich               4%                        46%                                       50%
18   Swansea               4%                       56%                                   40%
19   Sunderland   3%                               47%                                      51%
20   Liverpool               2%                            59%                                         39%

http://www.whoscored.com/Regions/252/Tournaments/2/Seasons/2935/Stages/5476/Analysis/England-Premier-League-2011-2012

We're also bottom for goals conceded from the 6-yard box.

Any ideas why?

you can tell we have been on an international break!