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Re: RAWK FIFA 12 Pro Club - PS3
« Reply #840 on: November 10, 2011, 06:47:53 PM »
No you tell the cm to shift out of the way and swap positions.Sure we all go forward now and again from there but if the players in front are'nt doing it/creating - no good just bombing forward at the expense of the position your supposed to be in.

Basically if you want to create/go forward most of the game- dont play cdm or defence - simples

No I understand that.  But it's not like anyone on here has a mic and to be fair, I don't want to be overbearing and tell people to do this or that that I know probably can't handle it.  I tell J things because I know he's capable of handling it.  If You or Mo or other people are doing something stupid, then I'll tell you because I know you can handle it.  It's just this walking on egg shells thing with people where I can't tell someone that they're doing something that's detrimental to the team without someone jumping down my throat for taking it "too seriously."

PLEASE I would love for you guys to give me criticism in game.  I welcome it and I will take it all seriously and try my best to add it to the way I play.  But I can't do it if you don't tell me.  This is why I wanted people to pick positions where they would consistently play so we could get used to playing in certain spots and improve rather than jumping about.

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Re: RAWK FIFA 12 Pro Club - PS3
« Reply #841 on: November 10, 2011, 06:50:10 PM »
I'm not starting with the bellendry.  I'm just telling you that when everyone sees you go down the left, we know what's going to happen.  You're going to get past him, fake cross, turn back, get to the edge of the 18, finesse shot.  The game where Rich and I were playing Striker, it was you and Gus on the wings and we had two 6' Strikers and no crosses came in. 

I never said I was a God at the game, I'm more than happy to take criticism from anyone who cares to give it out.  As I've heard, this is what happened last year.  People took it too "seriously."  I never said I was above having bad games or anything, I apologize when I have a nightmare.  I compliment good finishes and good passes but if you're asking me to play in a side where I can't voice my opinion about something then to be fair, you're out of line. 

I put quite a few crosses in last night only for no one to get on the end of it, and yeah, I do cut back a lot, it's a part of my game I can't seem to shake and god knows I've tried, it's like a routine to me now, also, no point crossing when there's an AI defender right next to me because it'll just hit him, hence the cut back and cross.

You can voice you're opinion, but when you're opinion is going to border on being a prick then you're the one being out of line mate.

I know I have a go and am a bellend on occasion, but at the end of the day, I still only see it as a game and nothing more, we lose then fair enough, we've lost a game, but with you, we lose a game and you're changing formations, telling people to go other players and then basically forcing it to try and get a win in the next game....IT'S A GAME, if you lose then you deserved to lose by a better player, simple as.

No I understand that.  But it's not like anyone on here has a mic and to be fair, I don't want to be overbearing and tell people to do this or that that I know probably can't handle it.  I tell J things because I know he's capable of handling it.  If You or Mo or other people are doing something stupid, then I'll tell you because I know you can handle it.  It's just this walking on egg shells thing with people where I can't tell someone that they're doing something that's detrimental to the team without someone jumping down my throat for taking it "too seriously."

PLEASE I would love for you guys to give me criticism in game.  I welcome it and I will take it all seriously and try my best to add it to the way I play.  But I can't do it if you don't tell me.  This is why I wanted people to pick positions where they would consistently play so we could get used to playing in certain spots and improve rather than jumping about.

People are scared to give you critiscm sometimes because they know you won't listen mate, it's happened before, you've got an excuse ready almost everytime, if you want critisicm then be prepared to take it and not make an excuse and I'll try stop doing that fucking cut back....deal? ;D
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Re: RAWK FIFA 12 Pro Club - PS3
« Reply #842 on: November 10, 2011, 06:55:32 PM »
To be honest - am not bothered if someones good,bad or shit.Main thing is is to enjoy it and to try and learn to improve

Am not brilliant at this,i just try and keep it simple.

Majority of players will swap positions - I'll play anywhere - cept gk!  :)
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Re: RAWK FIFA 12 Pro Club - PS3
« Reply #843 on: November 10, 2011, 06:56:04 PM »
To be honest - am not bothered if someones good,bad or shit.Main thing is is to enjoy it and to try and learn to improve

Am not brilliant at this,i just try and keep it simple.

Majority of players will swap positions - I'll play anywhere - cept gk!  :)

Wanna go GK next game then? :P
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Re: RAWK FIFA 12 Pro Club - PS3
« Reply #844 on: November 10, 2011, 06:57:10 PM »
I put quite a few crosses in last night only for no one to get on the end of it, and yeah, I do cut back a lot, it's a part of my game I can't seem to shake and god knows I've tried, it's like a routine to me now, also, no point crossing when there's an AI defender right next to me because it'll just hit him, hence the cut back and cross.

You can voice you're opinion, but when you're opinion is going to border on being a prick then you're the one being out of line mate.

I know I have a go and am a bellend on occasion, but at the end of the day, I still only see it as a game and nothing more, we lose then fair enough, we've lost a game, but with you, we lose a game and you're changing formations, telling people to go other players and then basically forcing it to try and get a win in the next game....IT'S A GAME, if you lose then you deserved to lose by a better player, simple as.

I know, I've tried to cross plenty of times and hit the defender and it drops right at his feet and he clears it.  I know that's a problem but NO ONE and I mean NO ONE gets past a defender as easily as you do and sometimes there are pockets of space for you to whip one in and it is frustrating being in the box and not getting one in. 

I apologize if my opinion is bordering on the level of prick and it's something that I try to curb.  But there's really no way to tell people that they call for the ball from the AI in shit places from time to time without being a prick.

  I think that's unfair that you say we lose a game and I change formations.  I have made a concerted effort NOT to be Captain or mention changing formations at all.  I think I've been pretty quiet on formations/tactics since the first go we had in the chat. 

I don't mind getting beaten by a good side but it frustrates me when people try to take over (yes I do it too and I get disappointed myself equally) the game and try to make the AI force something they aren't able to do.  I've never said I won't play somewhere, whenever you ask to play Striker, I gladly give it to you if I'm there. 

I'm trying to be more of the "it's just a game" mind than "win at all costs" mind.  You have to understand I'm a very competitive person so it's going to take me some time to curb that. 

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Re: RAWK FIFA 12 Pro Club - PS3
« Reply #845 on: November 10, 2011, 06:59:42 PM »
I know, I've tried to cross plenty of times and hit the defender and it drops right at his feet and he clears it.  I know that's a problem but NO ONE and I mean NO ONE gets past a defender as easily as you do and sometimes there are pockets of space for you to whip one in and it is frustrating being in the box and not getting one in. 

I apologize if my opinion is bordering on the level of prick and it's something that I try to curb.  But there's really no way to tell people that they call for the ball from the AI in shit places from time to time without being a prick.

  I think that's unfair that you say we lose a game and I change formations.  I have made a concerted effort NOT to be Captain or mention changing formations at all.  I think I've been pretty quiet on formations/tactics since the first go we had in the chat. 

I don't mind getting beaten by a good side but it frustrates me when people try to take over (yes I do it too and I get disappointed myself equally) the game and try to make the AI force something they aren't able to do.  I've never said I won't play somewhere, whenever you ask to play Striker, I gladly give it to you if I'm there. 

I'm trying to be more of the "it's just a game" mind than "win at all costs" mind.  You have to understand I'm a very competitive person so it's going to take me some time to curb that. 

Fair enough mate, I do see those pockets of space but like I say, it's a routine for me now to try that cut back, I was pissing people off in the FIFA 11 clubs doing it, Chonky will tell you that! ;D

We'll sort it out later eh? we've both got our points across by the look of it so sorted :wave
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Re: RAWK FIFA 12 Pro Club - PS3
« Reply #846 on: November 10, 2011, 07:00:51 PM »
Wanna go GK next game then? :P

Already covered my back with the cept gk comment!

Besides we have enough gk's you,soul and makka - goalkeepers union and all that.  ;)
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Re: RAWK FIFA 12 Pro Club - PS3
« Reply #847 on: November 10, 2011, 07:01:54 PM »
Already covered my back with the cept gk comment!

Besides we have enough gk's you,soul and makka - goalkeepers union and all that.  ;)

Well.. it's easy to say J and Mackaa are 1 and 2.. so third is kind of open for the taking.  I have had some fucking absolute howlers back there, never knew it was so fucking hard to run out and clear an air through ball.

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Re: RAWK FIFA 12 Pro Club - PS3
« Reply #848 on: November 10, 2011, 07:02:58 PM »
Well.. it's easy to say J and Mackaa are 1 and 2.. so third is kind of open for the taking.  I have had some fucking absolute howlers back there, never knew it was so fucking hard to run out and clear an air through ball.

That's why I don't try it, the camera is shite for judging the crosses and corners IMO.

Would love to have a 1st person GK cam personally.
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Re: RAWK FIFA 12 Pro Club - PS3
« Reply #849 on: November 10, 2011, 07:03:50 PM »
Completely going off the topics above. The AI was bloody terrible last night for the few games I had with Chonks, Rich and Soul. Especially the last game.

We absolutely murdered the other team and lost 1-0, their stock GK was man of the match. Should be on tonight, but late on.

I know im not that good, and it takes me a few games to get going, but at times we play some good football, i set up a few decent chances last night, still havent found my best position, but happy to play anywhere whilst wanted!
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« Reply #850 on: November 10, 2011, 07:03:54 PM »
That's why I don't try it, the camera is shite for judging the crosses and corners IMO.

Would love to have a 1st person GK cam personally.

Oh 1st person GK cam would be brilliant, it's like the camera kind of lags when you move with the GK.  The angles of it don't exactly make sense either.  Especially on crosses like, the camera jumps when it's hit and then if it's a high cross it disappears out of the screen. 

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« Reply #851 on: November 10, 2011, 07:04:49 PM »
Completely going off the topics above. The AI was bloody terrible last night for the few games I had with Chonks, Rich and Soul. Especially the last game.

We absolutely murdered the other team and lost 1-0, their stock GK was man of the match. Should be on tonight, but late on.

I know im not that good, and it takes me a few games to get going, but at times we play some good football, i set up a few decent chances last night, still havent found my best position, but happy to play anywhere whilst wanted!

You were fine mate, it's just impossible to score when we have 3 human players against 5 AI defenders.  It's just ridiculous.  Wish they would ban teams from playing 5 at the back if they don't have at least 3 human players playing in it. 

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« Reply #852 on: November 10, 2011, 07:06:18 PM »
You were fine mate, it's just impossible to score when we have 3 human players against 5 AI defenders.  It's just ridiculous.  Wish they would ban teams from playing 5 at the back if they don't have at least 3 human players playing in it. 

Last night was so hard, as there was always a spare man for them so they doubled up on us. The bloody 3 yard chip passes that the AI give do my head in like.
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Re: RAWK FIFA 12 Pro Club - PS3
« Reply #853 on: November 10, 2011, 07:07:25 PM »
Last night was so hard, as there was always a spare man for them so they doubled up on us. The bloody 3 yard chip passes that the AI give do my head in like.

Yeah.. I think you've missed the times when we've had 7+ on and we absolutely batter teams.  Those are the best because we play ridiculous football and we score for fun.

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« Reply #854 on: November 10, 2011, 07:07:47 PM »
Oh 1st person GK cam would be brilliant, it's like the camera kind of lags when you move with the GK.  The angles of it don't exactly make sense either.  Especially on crosses like, the camera jumps when it's hit and then if it's a high cross it disappears out of the screen. 

Worst thing about it, is that it looks like it's going over the bar, only for the cross to land right at you're back post with one of their players waiting unmarked because the stocks have gone toward the crosser.

Completely going off the topics above. The AI was bloody terrible last night for the few games I had with Chonks, Rich and Soul. Especially the last game.

We absolutely murdered the other team and lost 1-0, their stock GK was man of the match. Should be on tonight, but late on.

I know im not that good, and it takes me a few games to get going, but at times we play some good football, i set up a few decent chances last night, still havent found my best position, but happy to play anywhere whilst wanted!

You're a good player mate, we tend to link up well an all.

We'll all find proper positions eventually, just need to work it all out properly.
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Re: RAWK FIFA 12 Pro Club - PS3
« Reply #855 on: November 10, 2011, 07:09:10 PM »
Yeah.. I think you've missed the times when we've had 7+ on and we absolutely batter teams.  Those are the best because we play ridiculous football and we score for fun.

Played a few times the other week, with 6 or 7 and it was some really good football. Better runs, passes etc.
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« Reply #856 on: November 10, 2011, 07:11:40 PM »
Played a few times the other week, with 6 or 7 and it was some really good football. Better runs, passes etc.

That's the thing, the AI never makes any creative runs.  They just go forward and back, never diagonal. 

Worst thing about it, is that it looks like it's going over the bar, only for the cross to land right at you're back post with one of their players waiting unmarked because the stocks have gone toward the crosser.

You're a good player mate, we tend to link up well an all.

We'll all find proper positions eventually, just need to work it all out properly.

It's fucking maddening the way that happens. 

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Re: RAWK FIFA 12 Pro Club - PS3
« Reply #857 on: November 10, 2011, 07:26:24 PM »
God I miss clubs, can hardly load a page with my internet but just forked out for a top of the range Netgear router now, get it installed later and be on tomorrow night for sure.

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« Reply #858 on: November 10, 2011, 07:56:11 PM »
Gonna give RB a bash tonight.

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« Reply #859 on: November 10, 2011, 08:04:30 PM »
Gonna give RB a bash tonight.

I may go LB for a few tonight, Riise and Arbeloa eh? ;)
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« Reply #860 on: November 10, 2011, 08:05:20 PM »
I may go LB for a few tonight, Riise and Arbeloa eh? ;)

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« Reply #861 on: November 10, 2011, 08:07:20 PM »
If you hit a thunderbolt with your left and I will type RELEASE THE KRAKEN in the chat.

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« Reply #862 on: November 10, 2011, 08:13:10 PM »
Ohhhh Chonkyyyyy.....guess what?


You can now change penalty takers when you install the update! ;D

Here's the list of changes to clubs:


FIFA 12 Clubs

Changes that Clubs players make to camera settings during a Clubs game will now find those settings saved for subsequent games.

You will now be able to change your penalty kick taker via Team Management between the penalty kick being awarded and taken.

Clubs players' accomplishments are now fully tracked in online matches.

We asked you, and you told us. Community feedback overwhelmingly suggests that the default AI in Clubs is too powerful, leading to clubs choosing not to field defenders in order to allow the AI to do their work for them. We have therefore dropped the AI difficulty level in Clubs from World Class to Professional, and have made some complimentary minor adjustments to AI goalkeepers.
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« Reply #863 on: November 10, 2011, 08:16:37 PM »
Ohhhh Chonkyyyyy.....guess what?


You can now change penalty takers when you install the update! ;D

Here's the list of changes to clubs:


FIFA 12 Clubs

Changes that Clubs players make to camera settings during a Clubs game will now find those settings saved for subsequent games.

You will now be able to change your penalty kick taker via Team Management between the penalty kick being awarded and taken.

Clubs players' accomplishments are now fully tracked in online matches.

We asked you, and you told us. Community feedback overwhelmingly suggests that the default AI in Clubs is too powerful, leading to clubs choosing not to field defenders in order to allow the AI to do their work for them. We have therefore dropped the AI difficulty level in Clubs from World Class to Professional, and have made some complimentary minor adjustments to AI goalkeepers.

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Re: RAWK FIFA 12 Pro Club - PS3
« Reply #864 on: November 10, 2011, 11:42:18 PM »
Going back to some comments earlier today, given how new I am to this game....i.e. only just got my first PS3 and FIFA game, I am all for criticism as long as it is constructive.

I do feel a lot happier playing on the right side of midfield, but do understand what Volante says with regards to a lack of crosses. I find crossing really tough, especially if I am running I will often end up flinging a cross to the edge of the box or further back rather than into the 6 yard box. My strengths....and I think there are one or two are shorter passes, keeping the ball moving and not giving the ball away too much....although occasionally I will try a trick or two like anyone else. If I am running down the wing I tend to cut back and play the simple ball along the ground to whoever is at the edge of the box or play in someone shorter because it's what I can do effectively. I certainly don't think I am being selfish by not putting the trickier crosses in.

As said, any pointers gratefully appreciated.

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« Reply #865 on: November 11, 2011, 10:25:00 AM »
Going back to some comments earlier today, given how new I am to this game....i.e. only just got my first PS3 and FIFA game, I am all for criticism as long as it is constructive.

I do feel a lot happier playing on the right side of midfield, but do understand what Volante says with regards to a lack of crosses. I find crossing really tough, especially if I am running I will often end up flinging a cross to the edge of the box or further back rather than into the 6 yard box. My strengths....and I think there are one or two are shorter passes, keeping the ball moving and not giving the ball away too much....although occasionally I will try a trick or two like anyone else. If I am running down the wing I tend to cut back and play the simple ball along the ground to whoever is at the edge of the box or play in someone shorter because it's what I can do effectively. I certainly don't think I am being selfish by not putting the trickier crosses in.

As said, any pointers gratefully appreciated.

p.s. good work at CDM tonight Rich!

Dont worry about cutting in,if you think thats the best option.You've got to do whats most effective for you - We cant all beat a man like j-mc on the wing,i certainly cant so i dont generally attempt to.Actually when J-mc cut in yesterday and laid in in for me me at the edge of the area it was quite effective.

Only thing Gus is to maybe try and limit your forward play,i,e,sometimes i think your a little further forward than you should be for your position when were in possesion.Sometimes i get confused if your the striker or the rm!other than that you've done good lad.
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Re: RAWK FIFA 12 Pro Club - PS3
« Reply #866 on: November 11, 2011, 10:27:10 AM »
Ohhhh Chonkyyyyy.....guess what?


You can now change penalty takers when you install the update! ;D

Here's the list of changes to clubs:


FIFA 12 Clubs

Changes that Clubs players make to camera settings during a Clubs game will now find those settings saved for subsequent games.

You will now be able to change your penalty kick taker via Team Management between the penalty kick being awarded and taken.

Clubs players' accomplishments are now fully tracked in online matches.

We asked you, and you told us. Community feedback overwhelmingly suggests that the default AI in Clubs is too powerful, leading to clubs choosing not to field defenders in order to allow the AI to do their work for them. We have therefore dropped the AI difficulty level in Clubs from World Class to Professional, and have made some complimentary minor adjustments to AI goalkeepers.


Am assuming by team management they mean the R2 button!We never got a peno last night to try it.
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Re: RAWK FIFA 12 Pro Club - PS3
« Reply #867 on: November 11, 2011, 10:30:40 AM »
You're the first person I look for when I get the ball down the wing C, worked really well last night with you or Soul running onto it.

Gus, you was great last night mate, can't remember you putting a foot wrong, well played mate :thumbup
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Re: RAWK FIFA 12 Pro Club - PS3
« Reply #868 on: November 11, 2011, 10:39:59 AM »
You're the first person I look for when I get the ball down the wing C, worked really well last night with you or Soul running onto it.

Gus, you was great last night mate, can't remember you putting a foot wrong, well played mate :thumbup

If we had a whole night of 2 wingers and 2 tall strikers - and just hammered in crosses all night or....

a whole night of good link up play,quick good passing.

Which would we prefer?Its a no brainer really.

Guess it helps to mix it up a bit.
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Re: RAWK FIFA 12 Pro Club - PS3
« Reply #869 on: November 11, 2011, 11:59:52 AM »
Has everyone calmed down in here then? :D

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Re: RAWK FIFA 12 Pro Club - PS3
« Reply #870 on: November 11, 2011, 12:33:41 PM »
where the fuck have you been last week or so?

mr sports direct  ;D
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Re: RAWK FIFA 12 Pro Club - PS3
« Reply #871 on: November 11, 2011, 01:32:25 PM »
where the fuck have you been last week or so?

mr sports direct  ;D

He's been on sale for £10, or free when you buy any England shirt ;)
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Re: RAWK FIFA 12 Pro Club - PS3
« Reply #872 on: November 11, 2011, 02:34:23 PM »
chuck in a lonsdale cap for free
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Re: RAWK FIFA 12 Pro Club - PS3
« Reply #873 on: November 11, 2011, 03:50:10 PM »
Dont worry about cutting in,if you think thats the best option.You've got to do whats most effective for you - We cant all beat a man like j-mc on the wing,i certainly cant so i dont generally attempt to.Actually when J-mc cut in yesterday and laid in in for me me at the edge of the area it was quite effective.

Only thing Gus is to maybe try and limit your forward play,i,e,sometimes i think your a little further forward than you should be for your position when were in possesion.Sometimes i get confused if your the striker or the rm!other than that you've done good lad.

Yup, that's a fair call. I normally play CAM, so if I am right in a diamond I do need to be more disciplined. Hence yesterday I thought Rich did very well in mopping up a lot when J and I went forward. In saying that my pro has a lot of stamina, so I can run up and down quite a lot and I like seeing space and relatively frequently get into good positions when running in late.....just cannot finish for love nor money, so I ought to stay back more as you say.


Gus, you was great last night mate, can't remember you putting a foot wrong, well played mate :thumbup

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Re: RAWK FIFA 12 Pro Club - PS3
« Reply #874 on: November 11, 2011, 04:47:53 PM »
He's been on sale for £10, or free when you buy any England shirt ;)

I noticed you changed the stadium name to Anfield at one point... shall we dance with the SportsDirect.Com@Rawk.ComAnfieldArena?

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« Reply #875 on: November 11, 2011, 04:53:52 PM »
I noticed you changed the stadium name to Anfield at one point... shall we dance with the SportsDirect.Com@Rawk.ComAnfieldArena?

Won't fit! ;D

I'll change it to NookieDirect.com@Anfield though? :P
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Re: RAWK FIFA 12 Pro Club - PS3
« Reply #876 on: November 11, 2011, 04:55:26 PM »
Buncha knobheads :D

I left the club mate, not playing much so still have a shit pro, and just have a few games with Suso now and then. We don't really care about winning, we just wanna have a bit of a lugh :D

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Re: RAWK FIFA 12 Pro Club - PS3
« Reply #877 on: November 11, 2011, 04:56:00 PM »
Traitor! ;D
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Re: RAWK FIFA 12 Pro Club - PS3
« Reply #878 on: November 11, 2011, 11:24:05 PM »
I keep getting lost too. Should be on a fair bit over the weekend and tonight :)

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Re: RAWK FIFA 12 Pro Club - PS3
« Reply #879 on: November 13, 2011, 05:13:57 PM »
Anyone want a game?
It looks to me as if we have signed another 'average' player. I'll hold back my complete opinion until I see the lad play