Author Topic: When was the last time Pepe Reina saved a penalty for LFC? (Read 9459 times)

FernandoSusoLFC · « **on:** September 15, 2011, 02:00:10 PM »

I'm interested to know as I can't remember the last time he did.

Anyone know?

I've asked @OptaAnfield and @AnfieldIndex on twitter and it's pending with both.

Sir Afghan · « **Reply #1 on:** September 15, 2011, 02:00:46 PM »

Rooney was it?

djschembri · « **Reply #2 on:** September 15, 2011, 02:01:22 PM »

@ Old Trafford.

Masch foul outside the box given by Webb. Rooney scored rebound

Mr Dilkington · « **Reply #3 on:** September 15, 2011, 02:01:25 PM »

Last i remember was Kanu vs Pompey a couple of years back.

felix. · « **Reply #4 on:** September 15, 2011, 02:01:28 PM »

yeah i was wondering about this the other day, pepe had a reputation of being good at penalties when he came. think he hasn't saved one since like 2007

Matt8Pie · « **Reply #5 on:** September 15, 2011, 02:02:13 PM »

Quote from: djschembri on September 15, 2011, 02:01:22 PM

@ Old Trafford.

Masch foul outside the box given by Webb. Rooney scored rebound

That's the one.

PoorScouser · « **Reply #6 on:** September 15, 2011, 02:05:36 PM »

Quote from: felix. on September 15, 2011, 02:01:28 PM

yeah i was wondering about this the other day, pepe had a reputation of being good at penalties when he came. think he hasn't saved one since like 2007

Sell him I reckon, he's shite these days and past it if he ain't saved a pen since 2007

FernandoSusoLFC · « **Reply #7 on:** September 15, 2011, 02:06:17 PM »

It was worrying me that he was known to be a bit of a hero and save penalties but as of recent he hasn't saved any.

So he last saved a penalty against Rooney who scored on the rebound where we lost 2-1 Torres scored that sublime header and Mascherano got booked after 10 mins and Maxi had to have a headband on after being clattered.

Was it that game? Webb was referee too and some of the tackles from UTD's CMs were fucking horrific, Fletcher was a c*nt that game.

muyuu · « **Reply #8 on:** September 15, 2011, 02:06:27 PM »

Bad spells happen. No need to put pressure on the man, he's the best goalie in the league.

FernandoSusoLFC · « **Reply #9 on:** September 15, 2011, 02:07:46 PM »

Quote from: muyuu on September 15, 2011, 02:06:27 PM

Bad spells happen. No need to put pressure on the man, he's the best goalie in the league.

I'm not putting any pressure on him he is WC but he is known as a specialist and he hasn't been so special when it comes to penalties as of recently.

koppitekop11 · « **Reply #10 on:** September 15, 2011, 02:08:46 PM »

Quote from: muyuu on September 15, 2011, 02:06:27 PM

Bad spells happen. No need to put pressure on the man, he's the best goalie in the world.

Fixed

koppitekop11 · « **Reply #11 on:** September 15, 2011, 02:09:35 PM »

Quote from: FernandoSusoLFC on September 15, 2011, 02:07:46 PM

I'm not putting any pressure on him he is WC but he is known as a specialist and he hasn't been so special when it comes to penalties as of recently.

Fuck me stop moanin will you.

If you watch alot of the penalties he almost always goes the right way.

kelevra · « **Reply #12 on:** September 15, 2011, 02:13:50 PM »

Quote from: FernandoSusoLFC on September 15, 2011, 02:07:46 PM

I'm not putting any pressure on him he is WC but he is known as a specialist and he hasn't been so special when it comes to penalties as of recently.

To be fair to him, most of the penalties against have have been pretty damn good, i.e a lot of power and right in the corner. Also I have noticed a lot of penatlies have been blasted straight down the middle. Very very hard to stop unless you just stand still

unusg · « **Reply #13 on:** September 15, 2011, 02:14:15 PM »

the last couple this season have all been belted down the middle. i wonder if he has thought about holding his position until the kick has been taken. too many keepers make their mind up to dive early to one side or the other based on footage shown whereas the odds should be in the keeper's favour if he chooses to hold his position until the kick is taken and follows the ball.

just a thought.

Matt8Pie · « **Reply #14 on:** September 15, 2011, 02:14:54 PM »

Quote from: koppitekop11 on September 15, 2011, 02:09:35 PM

Fuck me stop moanin will you.

If you watch alot of the penalties he almost always goes the right way.

Noticed that myself.

I can think of a lot of instances when the penalties were unstoppable. Chris Brunt last season, Cardozo the season before, and even Walters' last weekend. No keeper is just gonna stand still thinking it's gonna be smashed high in the middle.

stevienash · « **Reply #15 on:** September 15, 2011, 02:17:27 PM »

Quote from: unusg on September 15, 2011, 02:14:15 PM

the last couple this season have all been belted down the middle. i wonder if he has thought about holding his position until the kick has been taken. too many keepers make their mind up to dive early to one side or the other based on footage shown whereas the odds should be in the keeper's favour if he chooses to hold his position until the kick is taken and follows the ball.

just a thought.

Yes but if Pepe stayed still until after the kick has been taken and it goes in the corner you would be saying why didnt he dive?

Penalties are pot luck some pepe will save...

brownbear11 · « **Reply #16 on:** September 15, 2011, 02:19:19 PM »

Quote from: unusg on September 15, 2011, 02:14:15 PM

the last couple this season have all been belted down the middle. i wonder if he has thought about holding his position until the kick has been taken. too many keepers make their mind up to dive early to one side or the other based on footage shown whereas the odds should be in the keeper's favour if he chooses to hold his position until the kick is taken and follows the ball.

just a thought.

This is quite true. I've noticed more and more penalties being shot right down the middle. In order for a goalie to get to the side to save something out there, they have to go early enough, so if you've got the power it's often better to hit right down the middle.

Quote from: koppitekop11 on September 15, 2011, 02:09:35 PM

Fuck me stop moanin will you.

If you watch alot of the penalties he almost always goes the right way.

Yes. Obviously wish he could get a hand on more of them though...still a world class goalie and we'd be pretty screwed without him.

vishy01234 · « **Reply #17 on:** September 15, 2011, 02:33:30 PM »

I actually think he may have sussed by a lot of players.

Goalies can't move forward off their line to reduce goal size as easily as they used to. So Pepe stopped doing that.

If you notice he would jump forward and to whichever side he thought the penalty would be taken. He still does that but it doesn't seem as effective. Or maybe it's just bad luck.

Hmmmmmm ... he's still numero uno for me, but it's an interesting one.

SFiasco · « **Reply #18 on:** September 15, 2011, 02:35:25 PM »

I think people know he's got a good chance of saving it, and a lot of people blast it high and down the middle against us. He's had a couple that have just went under his body as well, it's just one of those things. He saves us enough times for it not to be an issue, which it isn't.

Brissie Red · « **Reply #19 on:** September 15, 2011, 02:35:37 PM »

Would help if we didn't give them away in the first place. PK's are heavily favoured in the kicker's side, they are presumed to score and it's a bonus if you're keeper can stop it. Unfortunately for him, he's had to face some really terrific penalties in the past few seasons which nobody could have done anything about. A one off penalty is a whole different game to a shoot out, where there is far more at stake usually increasing pressure for the kicker in a knock out comp, and all sorts of non specialists including defenders step up to take them.

..Bruiser.. · « **Reply #20 on:** September 15, 2011, 02:38:19 PM »

That's spot on about blasting it down the middle. They've had the confidence to try it because he still can read what players will do. As soon as anyone forgets about his peno saves he'll be at it again.

joezydudek · « **Reply #21 on:** September 15, 2011, 02:40:08 PM »

I don't understand why some people get so defensive when it's mentioned that he hasn't saved a penalty for a while. He's the best goalkeeper in the world and he no doubt will save penalties again in the future, but it's a perfectly valid observation that he hasn't been stopping them lately and no one's saying he's shit for not saving them.

Quote from: unusg on September 15, 2011, 02:14:15 PM

the last couple this season have all been belted down the middle. i wonder if he has thought about holding his position until the kick has been taken. too many keepers make their mind up to dive early to one side or the other based on footage shown whereas the odds should be in the keeper's favour if he chooses to hold his position until the kick is taken and follows the ball.

just a thought.

Was going to say the same thing, surely worth a go? That or we just stop giving them away!

RedRaj · « **Reply #22 on:** September 15, 2011, 02:40:34 PM »

Pepe is a great keeper but lets not pretend he is immune from criticism and comment. I was just thinking the other day that he hasn't saved one in years. It is perhaps something he can improve because some keepers who are half as good as him do save a few a season.

And before anyone says it, no, I don't think we should sell him. He is great. He has saved us or won us far more matches than a few unsaved penalties a season.

carling · « **Reply #23 on:** September 15, 2011, 02:43:20 PM »

The thing with pens is that only a certain % are ever likely to be saved.

When do you last remember us conceding from a pen and thinking "oh Pepe should've done better with that"?.

Hazell · « **Reply #24 on:** September 15, 2011, 02:45:10 PM »

Maybe Xavi Valero's departure might have something to do with it.

joezydudek · « **Reply #25 on:** September 15, 2011, 02:50:55 PM »

Quote from: carling on September 15, 2011, 02:43:20 PM

The thing with pens is that only a certain % are ever likely to be saved.

When do you last remember us conceding from a pen and thinking "oh Pepe should've done better with that"?.

I don't remember any Pepe could've been criticised for not saving, but he's normally so brilliant that he does pull off saves you don't expect him to make and that hasn't happened lately with penalties.
Not sure if I contradicted myself a little there, but basically I guess I'm saying there hasn't been any moments of extraordinary brilliance from Pepe as far as penalties are concerned. It wouldn't be something to even bring up for anyone other than the very best around though!

csgreen · « **Reply #26 on:** September 15, 2011, 02:59:48 PM »

Quote from: brownbear11 on September 15, 2011, 02:19:19 PM

This is quite true. I've noticed more and more penalties being shot right down the middle. In order for a goalie to get to the side to save something out there, they have to go early enough, so if you've got the power it's often better to hit right down the middle.

For those that are science nerds, there is actual research on this and it's overwhelmingly true that goalies stay middle less often that would be optimal. There are quite a few papers on the topic. Here's a relevant table (from CHIAPPORI, P.-A., LEVITT S., AND GROSECLOSE, T. (2002). Testing Mixed-Strategy Equilibria When Players Are Heterogeneous: The Case of Penalty Kicks in Soccer, The American Economic Review, 92, 1138-1151). Basically what it shows is that out of 459 penalties, the kicker went middle 79 times, while the goalie stayed middle only 11 times. The prevailing theory is that there is some additional "psychological cost" to staying middle and having the kick go left or right (basically you look like a schmuck that didn't try to save the penalty) as opposed to diving left/right and having the kick go middle (where "at least you tried"). Hopefully the new focus on science and statistics at Anfield will include these kinds of things!

TABLE 3—OBSERVED MATRIX OF SHOTS TAKEN

Kicker
Left Middle Right Total
Left 117 48 95 260
Goalie Middle 4 3 4 11
Right 85 28 75 188
Total 206 79 174 459

Notes: The sample includes all French First-league penalty
kicks from 1997–1999 and all Italian First-league kicks
(1997–2000). For shots involving left-footed kickers, the
directions have been reversed so that shooting left corresponds
to the “natural” side for all kickers.

AriGold · « **Reply #27 on:** September 15, 2011, 03:05:23 PM »

I don't expect any keeper to save a penalty from any professional footballer, the keeper has a massive disadvantage.

RJH · « **Reply #28 on:** September 15, 2011, 03:08:15 PM »

Quote from: Brissie Red on September 15, 2011, 02:35:37 PM

Would help if we didn't give them away in the first place. PK's are heavily favoured in the kicker's side, they are presumed to score and it's a bonus if you're keeper can stop it. Unfortunately for him, he's had to face some really terrific penalties in the past few seasons which nobody could have done anything about. A one off penalty is a whole different game to a shoot out, where there is far more at stake usually increasing pressure for the kicker in a knock out comp, and all sorts of non specialists including defenders step up to take them.

Trying to find Reina's statistics, I found some general ones.

From the 2001/02 season onwards, there have been 821 penalties in the Premier League, and 651 of them scored - ~80% conversion rate.
And 41 others were missed (rather than saved).
So 129 penalties were saved - 15.7%.
That's quite a low percentage, and means a run of not saving penalties shouldn't be that surprising.

Oddly, the success rate of penalties is way down so far this season - 15 penalties, but only 6 scored.

KoncheskysMum · « **Reply #29 on:** September 15, 2011, 03:08:36 PM »

Being a goalie meself I can't see the point in anyone losing sleep over pepe not savin a penalty. you pick a side n you dive no?

and honestly i can't think of the last time pepe had a soft penalty taken against him. last two though i believe have been pretty much down the middle. maybe pepe needs to switch something up.

have no doubts that if we are involved in a penalty shootout pepe will save at least one or two.

anyway, who cares? guy is easily a top 5 goal keeper in the world without saving any penalties recently. amazing goal keeper. amazing.

Danyaals Kop · « **Reply #30 on:** September 15, 2011, 03:09:42 PM »

The didn't need a new thread. Could have been asked in the Reina thread.

Probably, against Spurs last year. Defore missed one.

itsgunnabebarnes! · « **Reply #31 on:** September 15, 2011, 03:10:25 PM »

I wonder if Kenny has noticed this, my guess is Yes he has, therefore Doni will between the sticks at the Lane.

ziggyy · « **Reply #32 on:** September 15, 2011, 03:18:06 PM »

Quote from: FernandoSusoLFC on September 15, 2011, 02:07:46 PM

I'm not putting any pressure on him he is WC but he is known as a specialist and he hasn't been so special when it comes to penalties as of recently.

So Gerrard hasn't played a game for awhile... shall we sell him?

Suarez and Carroll hasn't scored for awhile, maybe they should be converted to defenders...

Better yet, we have not won a league title since fergie last wore diapers... might as well close down the club...

joezydudek · « **Reply #33 on:** September 15, 2011, 03:30:05 PM »

Quote from: ziggyy on September 15, 2011, 03:18:06 PM

So Gerrard hasn't played a game for awhile... shall we sell him?

Suarez and Carroll hasn't scored for awhile, maybe they should be converted to defenders...

Better yet, we have not won a league title since Mr Alex Ferguson last wore diapers... might as well close down the club...

What is the point in those comments? All the OP did was point out he hadn't saved a penalty, he said fuck all about selling him or dropping him! Stop being so sensitive!

trenchtownrasta · « **Reply #34 on:** September 15, 2011, 03:33:01 PM »

ridiculous thread

mccred · « **Reply #35 on:** September 15, 2011, 03:34:10 PM »

I think his penalty technique has been sussed slightly, cause he does always go one way or the other, normally the right way. I think if now and then if he did just stay in the middle of the goal it would make the taker think twice about blasting it down the middle, which is where a lot of them do seem to go these days.
Then again the keeper saving a pen is a bonus and not really expected and he's been fucking unlucky on more than most. Sure it's something that the coaches and Pepe have looked at.
Penalty saves or not, there isn't anyone else that I would want between the sticks, great keepers are hard to find and there is no doubt that Pepe is a great keeper. Look how long Arse have had crap keepers, if they had a Pepe between the posts this last 6 years I would of thought they would have at least one trophy in that time.

AriGold · « **Reply #36 on:** September 15, 2011, 03:35:09 PM »

Quote from: Danyaals Kop on September 15, 2011, 03:09:42 PM

The didn't need a new thread. Could have been asked in the Reina thread.

Probably, against Spurs last year. Defore missed one.

Reina didn't save it though. The question has already been answered, it was Rooney.

Brentie · « **Reply #37 on:** September 15, 2011, 04:08:44 PM »

He's only ever saved 3 penalties in a normal game for us in his career so far though that I can remember. Kanu 07, Liege 08 and Rooney 10.

He saved lots from shoot outs but not that many from open play.

Been unlucky with lots though, last year he got hands on the Bent one at home and the Adam one as well at home. Some, you just cant expect him to save- like the 2 Brunt efforts or the one on Saturday. Its not an issue, dont know why people have been bring this up lately.

The real issue is why we're conceding so many pens. Read somewhere that something like 7 out of the last 15 goals we've condeded in all competitions have come from penalties whcih is almost 50%.

trembles97 · « **Reply #38 on:** September 15, 2011, 04:10:35 PM »

I think there are a lot more pressing issues than Pepe's penalty saving skills.

GODS LEFT BOOT · « **Reply #39 on:** September 15, 2011, 04:14:53 PM »

Its been ages, he's shit.