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Flanagan looked as shaky as Michael J Fox in that earthquake yesterday.  Got a little better as the game went on, but I think the Sunderland game has knocked his confidence a fair bit.

Honestly didn't see it. Think they got past him once... But didn't see him having an awkward day.

Didn't see anyone have an awkward day.
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Can't believe the amount of whinging on here.

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Yeah he is going to be good.  Technically sound and lots of energy.  Some of his decision making is poor but that is bound to improve with experience.

I think the poor decision making is just nerves.  He's 21 years old and joined a big club on a massive fee.  He's probably just too scared to fuck up.  I think he'll settle quite nicely the more time he gets on the pitch

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That was like watching a training match to be honest.

Midfield looked really really comfortable and the defence had fuck all to do. The only challenge for the team was getting service to the strikers behind what was a park the bus lineup (cant blame then) and to be honest I thought we looked a bit one dimentional at times attacking only down the wings.

Would have been a very tricky match that if we hadnt played such a strong team me thinks.

Flanagan, Skrtel and to an extent Carroll had poor games. Everyone else average really.
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Honestly didn't see it. Think they got past him once... But didn't see him having an awkward day.

Me neither. In fact, I thought he had a decent game myself.
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Right then, so how are we doing after this then rawk?

Well flanno's looking shit isn't he. Henderson's a bit meh, that Adam's rather shit, Carrolls utterly usless, Jonojo can have some stick to for no reason whatsoever. Fuck it, let's go the whole hog, that peno was right down the middle, reina didn't save it, he's shit too.

It's so utterly fucking clear the biasedness that exists on here for players. Andy Carroll been fucking slaughtered on here despite scoring a goal with no fucking service and why? because he's not had the best of games touch wise. Right then, so where's all the fucking abuse for maxi then? Misplaced a lot of passes, did pretty much fuck all (because that's what it's being called when andy's not created a chance with posession) and missed an utter sitter in the first half. Where's all the posts about "serious concerns" and "should be dropped" for him then eh?

Fucks sake, take your pre sharpened knives and agendas and just fuck off would you, it's pathetic. Even the best teams in the world have off days, and you know what, if you don't believe me, go and watch the 89-90 season review (the links on the main page) and watch as that team (which was fucking ace) conceded goals left right and center at times, got pasted 4-1 away to southampton, lost at home to coventry, etc, etc. But they still won the cocking league that year.

You've got no patience, you derive pleasure only from slaughtering players that obviously just need time and some understanding for things to gel, and you're seemingly as miserable win lose or draw.

Some of you have forgotten the fucking northampton game already and what things were like then. We won, enjoy winning in a game where we never even botherd to get out of 2nd gear and fucking cheer up for fucks sake.

Dont agree at all,most people are making decent points on the merits of our players,i thought that was what this forum was for....drama queen,superfan posts like yours are just as silly as some of the nobhead posts.
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Kenny got what he wanted, and so did I. Good to see Carroll score, the man is a far better footballer than what people give him credit for. Wilson was class aswell, sure its not Messi or Ronaldo he was up against, but his positioning was spot on all the time. I'm really starting to like Henderson aswell, had some good flashes and touches today.

Class from Suarez to take a picture with the Exeter fan at the end of the game aswell:D.
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We're not playing good football at the moment are we? But we're getting results, and in August, that's all you want. Some cobwebs still need to get dusted away maybe - relationships formed. Delighted with the win, it was deserved, and up against a fairly decent side in Exeter - they parked a small bus of course, but they remembered to attack and did well I thought.

Somethings not happening in the middle tho, and I've been a little dissapointed in Henderson I have to say. One or two nice touches but I think he's been poor overall so far this season. Plenty of time with him of course, but I think he's finding it difficult. Would it be too strong to call him lazy? Probably is.

And dear old Andy Carroll is a conundrum too. Really likable striker, and when he lifts up his left peg to shoot, it's always going to be interesting, he's got a cracking drive on him, plus a neat touch, but he drifts about in areas where maybe it's not needed. I can't think of any striker who plays like him at all, he's a one off, but he's a project that needs moulding.

Downing tho, for all the 'please god no!' cries that we would have shouted only two years ago, is a quality little player. A really astute addition - he can wake up a team. Lovely player.


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Can't believe the amount of whinging on here.

If we win the league this year I guarentee that some nobends first comment afterward will be complaining about the style in which we did it.
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glad i missed it then! all that fucking moan in an away win on the back of playing Arsenal away
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Somethings not happening in the middle tho, and I've been a little dissapointed in Henderson I have to say. One or two nice touches but I think he's been poor overall so far this season. Plenty of time with him of course, but I think he's finding it difficult. Would it be too strong to call him lazy? Probably is.

Genuinely, hand on heart, not starting an argument, but Henderson possibly LAZY? Where did you get that from?!
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more concerned about Adam than Henderson.
I haven't got the foggiest how you can say that if you own a set of eyes.

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glad i missed it then! all that fucking moan in an away win on the back of playing Arsenal away

... Where people moaned on the back of an away win!
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Enjoyed that, the whole team was well organised and worked hard. Was very impressed with henderson, the kid can go as far as he wants in the game i feel. Spearing was also good, kept it neat and tidy, didn't misplace passes. I thought robinson looked good, flannagan's performance was a bit worrying i thought, but he's only a kid.

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He's right though isn't he?

A strikers main job is to score goals, Carroll scored so as far as I'm concerned, it was job done for the big lad.

It's Henderson and Downing that need to step up their game and try to find a winning partnership with him IMO as Andy's already shown that if you give him a chance, he'll put the ball in the net.

I don't doubt that scoring goals is his job, but the goal he scored tonight was hardly through good link up play was it? it was a lucky bounce that he swang a foot at. My concern with Carroll is, as others have said, we look better without him in the side. That can't be down to 10 other players playing the game wrong. As of right now he just doesn't look like he's getting it at all, if I'm being brutally honest it looks like the players around him are smarter than he is & they're expecting more of him in terms of movement & anticipation, I don't doubt that'll improve over time but I think he needs a bit of a kick up the arse to be honest.

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We're not playing the brilliant football we saw under Kenny at times last season, but we're winning games. Slowly slowly does it.

Its impossible to play great football when we have so many new players who were even more shuffled for this game. Too much unfamiliarity in the side, its gonna take a lot of time for this side to settle but the hints are there at least for me.

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The most important thing is the results. Once our fitness improves and the players become more used to playing with one another I'd expect a big improvement in the performances.

We've won our last two games but no one can really say they're playing at their maximum potential. That's surely a good sign.

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We won, we didn't insult them by playing an understrength team, we won, we progressed to the next round, we won, it was a good run out at the start of the season for players still getting used to each other, we won, we must have a decent shout at this trophy this season.

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Agreed about Carroll, not the end of the world but i'd like to see him give some respect to his team mates.

Carra's the same. Goes mad at other players if they screw up. He'll never fit in either.
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I thought we played well. Carroll started decently too, linked up well with Suarez. The level of performance deteriorated because we looked direct to Carroll too much. Not his fault, it's the fault of of his teammates. Flanagan is beginning to look out of his depth at this level in my opinion, much more so than Robinson who continues to look a decent prospect. I didn't really learn anything new tonight.

Shelvey definitely has something about him, immediately the most composed midfielder when he came on. He always passes the ball in front of teammates rather than directly at their feet, a small detail but really aids the fluidity of the team.

Downing looked lively in probably his worst performance which is a bonus. Adam and Henderson are finding their feet. Lots of positives tonight. Whilst hardly the biggest test, skrtel was class for the vast majority of the game and for the large part his performance made me disappointed it's not something we can see alongside Agger on a weekly basis but it's that sort of rash moment which undermines his obvious ability.


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I hate to be negative here I really do. But people used to say we were a 2 man or a 1 man team with Gerrard and Torres. In the last 3 games we have scored no goals when Suarez has not been on the pitch. Is this a coincidence, or is it too early to make any sort of conclusions?

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That would be a first :P

Quiet you! You're worse than Bob Loblaw! :D
(I'm just aghast that someone could even think Henderson could be called 'lazy' based on his performances so far)

3-1. Comfortable performance. Happy with the result and the performances on the whole. Nothing to over analyse as you say Gareth.
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I haven't got the foggiest how you can say that if you own a set of eyes.

I think Henderson had a better 90 minutes than Adam did, if I am honest with you.
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To be fair, I'm not. I'm pleased we're through, pleased with certain players, and that's about it.

I was delighted on Saturday, today I'm merely pleased. It was Exeter City and we played well in parts and won 3-1, but if I'm honest I did expect a bit more.

Maybe I'm just a miserable twat who expects too much, but it wasn't wonderful imho, just a win at a lowly club who played out of their skins.
I think the issue is twofold for me

1] Suarez dependency. Without him we look average. In fact, all of our goals so far this season have either involved him or been scored by him.

2] Questionable recruits. In contrast to the other new players brought in since Xmas, only Downing looks the part. Carroll has yet to convince, Henderson looks awfully raw and Adam looks fine in a five, risky in a four. In particular he doesn't look mobile.

The problem being from game to game that hasn't seemed to change. Since Carroll and Suarez have been playing the same issues appear. I know Carroll has been injured, but not a single spark to give you hope. The reason I think so many feel deflated after tonight is because, once again Henderson has been a bit iffy, Adam has offered too little protection to the back four and Carroll has looked indifferent. I think those with questions just want to see one or two big performances from those players and they can relax a bit.

I know its early in the season, but the longer they fail to impress the more nervous people get, simply because they can see the potential problems further down the line. If it had been a 3-1 and any one of those three (Adam, Henderson and Carroll) had been outstanding I think a lot of people would be a lot happier.
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Dont agree at all,most people are making decent points on the merits of our players,i thought that was what this forum was for....drama queen,superfan posts like yours are just as silly as some of the nobhead posts.

There are quite a few agree with his sentiments.  After Arsenal and now this game you get the impression some are just bustin a gut to see us lose to really hammer specific players.  The fact we haven't lost yet must have them punching their screens in frustration.  I bet it even makes some get off their armchairs.  Much harder to critisise when the team keeps winning, esp when one of the favourite scapegoats scores.  What a nightmare for the armchair critics.  However they still attempt to critisise, even in the face of victory.  Makes em look a bit silly like.

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Dont agree at all,most people are making decent points on the merits of our players,i thought that was what this forum was for....drama queen,superfan posts like yours are just as silly as some of the nobhead posts.
I have to agree, I just ignore the stupid posts. As long as people are making sensible criticism fine I want to hear it. RAWK in recent times seems to have gone OTT with this be positive about new player's at all times. What is the point of a forum if you can't be critical.
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We're not playing good football at the moment are we? But we're getting results, and in August, that's all you want. Some cobwebs still need to get dusted away maybe - relationships formed. Delighted with the win, it was deserved, and up against a fairly decent side in Exeter - they parked a small bus of course, but they remembered to attack and did well I thought.

Somethings not happening in the middle tho, and I've been a little dissapointed in Henderson I have to say. One or two nice touches but I think he's been poor overall so far this season. Plenty of time with him of course, but I think he's finding it difficult. Would it be too strong to call him lazy? Probably is.

And dear old Andy Carroll is a conundrum too. Really likable striker, and when he lifts up his left peg to shoot, it's always going to be interesting, he's got a cracking drive on him, plus a neat touch, but he drifts about in areas where maybe it's not needed. I can't think of any striker who plays like him at all, he's a one off, but he's a project that needs moulding.

Downing tho, for all the 'please god no!' cries that we would have shouted only two years ago, is a quality little player. A really astute addition - he can wake up a team. Lovely player.


We're not playing the brilliant football we saw under Kenny at times last season, but we're winning games. Slowly slowly does it.


Couldn't agree more mate.
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Glad that Carroll scored but he still looks worryingly lacking in sharpness for me. Otherwise refreshing to have a League Cup match against lower league opposition where we actually dont struggle. Excellent team selection, Kenny!

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Genuinely, hand on heart, not starting an argument, but Henderson possibly LAZY? Where did you get that from?!


I dont rate Henderson at all, but the last thing he is is lazy.

If anything, that's the one added value he has in his game for me. He never stops running.

Unfortunately, it's hardly like we were lacking in that sort of player.
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Can't believe the amount of whinging on here.

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Stop being so positive, actual supporter who was there in person!  We who saw it on the telly are all-knowing!   :P

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Re: Exeter 1-3 Liverpool - post game discussion
« Reply #354 on: August 24, 2011, 10:28:27 PM »

Couldn't agree more mate.

Do you think Henderson could be classed as 'lazy'? I know Filler said it as a question, but lazy?
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Re: Exeter 1-3 Liverpool - post game discussion
« Reply #355 on: August 24, 2011, 10:28:32 PM »
Thought Adam played very well, Henderson on the other hand...

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Re: Exeter 1-3 Liverpool - post game discussion
« Reply #356 on: August 24, 2011, 10:28:39 PM »
Any post match KK interview?

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Dont agree at all,most people are making decent points on the merits of our players,i thought that was what this forum was for....drama queen,superfan posts like yours are just as silly as some of the nobhead posts.

Problem with that is people are making points on the merits of our players based on an early game in the Carling Cup. Very rarely do top teams go away to teams in the lower leagues and look great. We all know first hand that these type of games can be a Banana skin so lets just be happy with the win and save the analysis for the weekend.

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Re: Exeter 1-3 Liverpool - post game discussion
« Reply #358 on: August 24, 2011, 10:29:14 PM »
Because they hope we do well and win stuff?  Or would you rather people just pretend we were amazing against Exeter?

We've been saying we want to win this trophy and we put out a strong side, yet we were sluggish and stationary for large portions of the game.  That alone is surely reason enough to feel at least a little deflated, no?
what? :o  4 Premier league teams went out to lower league opposition this round alone, which is a trap that we could of fell into and have done several times in the past (i.e last season) , to come away with a 3-1 win is job well done imo. I don't see where you coming from at all sorry..

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Right then, so how are we doing after this then rawk?

Well flanno's looking shit isn't he. Henderson's a bit meh, that Adam's rather shit, Carrolls utterly usless, Jonojo can have some stick to for no reason whatsoever. Fuck it, let's go the whole hog, that peno was right down the middle, reina didn't save it, he's shit too.

It's so utterly fucking clear the biasedness that exists on here for players. Andy Carroll been fucking slaughtered on here despite scoring a goal with no fucking service and why? because he's not had the best of games touch wise. Right then, so where's all the fucking abuse for maxi then? Misplaced a lot of passes, did pretty much fuck all (because that's what it's being called when andy's not created a chance with posession) and missed an utter sitter in the first half. Where's all the posts about "serious concerns" and "should be dropped" for him then eh?

Fucks sake, take your pre sharpened knives and agendas and just fuck off would you, it's pathetic. Even the best teams in the world have off days, and you know what, if you don't believe me, go and watch the 89-90 season review (the links on the main page) and watch as that team (which was fucking ace) conceded goals left right and center at times, got pasted 4-1 away to southampton, lost at home to coventry, etc, etc. But they still won the cocking league that year.

You've got no patience, you derive pleasure only from slaughtering players that obviously just need time and some understanding for things to gel, and you're seemingly as miserable win lose or draw.

Some of you have forgotten the fucking northampton game already and what things were like then. We won, enjoy winning in a game where we never even botherd to get out of 2nd gear and fucking cheer up for fucks sake.

 ;D Well said mate