Author Topic: The Anfield Wrap (Read 395692 times)

lankyguy007 · « **Reply #2960 on:** May 14, 2012, 05:38:27 PM »

Good episode, well discussed.

Passmaster Molby · « **Reply #2961 on:** May 14, 2012, 05:38:29 PM »

Well that was quite frank and honest.

Very good podcast, well done to those involved.

DangerScouse · « **Reply #2962 on:** May 14, 2012, 05:39:34 PM »

Quote from: L6 Red on May 14, 2012, 05:14:48 PM

I was disappointed we only heard a bit of Rob - after Kenny took a (respectful) booting, I really wanted him to tell us everything is going to be alright a bit longer.

We actually overrun, though. I think listeners get bored eventually.

On an issue as important as this I think it did seem a bit rushed but again really enjoyed it and to be fair you could probably spend all day on the matter.

The G in Gerrard · « **Reply #2963 on:** May 14, 2012, 05:40:33 PM »

The Downing stat of 72 attempts on goal shocked me

Twelfth Customer · « **Reply #2964 on:** May 14, 2012, 05:40:46 PM »

Listening again after the Suarez podcast,which I found a little disconcerting. Brilliant, I should have listened to the ones in-between.

MrEazi1 · « **Reply #2965 on:** May 14, 2012, 05:42:11 PM »

Cracking episode, very sensible discussion, rational and infact a lot more candid than I thought it would be. Was great to hear the banter at the same time too, that what makes TAW what it is, the infusion of banter and seriousness. But yeah there had to be a debate about Kenny, and was done respectfully and in the right way.

Camarero25 · « **Reply #2966 on:** May 14, 2012, 05:42:55 PM »

Quote from: NOTBORNIN1982 on May 14, 2012, 05:10:13 PM

It’s that attitude that get's shouted down.

None of the guys seem to sound like they're feeling 'very nice' while talking about Kenny's position, that's quite obvious to me.

Ok, perhaps very nice was the wrong term. I just mean it's good to hear a frank, open discussion without hostility simply because people have opposing views.

Passmaster Molby · « **Reply #2967 on:** May 14, 2012, 05:44:19 PM »

Quote from: The G in Gerrard on May 14, 2012, 05:40:33 PM

The Downing stat of 72 attempts on goal shocked me

Especially when you couple it with zero goals!

I have said before I think we have so many shots at goal because we run out of ideas and lack the invention or movement to create real clear cut chances.

John C · « **Reply #2968 on:** May 14, 2012, 05:47:47 PM »

Loved it. Great, sensible discussion.
Although my inclination is for Kenny to be given time, it was good to hear that others like Phil and Kris are ambivalent & indecisive and can see both aspects to whatever big decision is made.

I don't get why everyone doesn't listen to it?

KirkVanHouten · « **Reply #2969 on:** May 14, 2012, 05:51:47 PM »

Tone of this podcast caught me by surprise a bit. Tend to agree with the view that we should give Kenny next season. Mainly because I actually have no confidence in anyone involved at the club making the right decision when it comes to things like this. Whether that be transfers or the Suarez affair, I have almost no faith in the club making the correct decision.

shelovesyou · « **Reply #2970 on:** May 14, 2012, 05:52:07 PM »

Really enjoying this so far , Some compelling arguments being made, definate food for thought.
Cheers Guys.

Johnnyboy1973 · « **Reply #2971 on:** May 14, 2012, 05:52:24 PM »

Great episode.

Passmaster Molby · « **Reply #2972 on:** May 14, 2012, 05:52:37 PM »

I think what made that podcast so good was that you knew the people on it would have the opportunity to say what they felt without being abused, shouted down or face any repercussions. A discussion like that could never transfer itself to a forum purely because the bile and shite thrown by some people on both sides of the argument would stain any semblance of a sensible argument.

Refreshing.

Twelfth Customer · « **Reply #2973 on:** May 14, 2012, 05:56:04 PM »

Thing is they are discussing an issue that most of us are thinking about but which cannot be discussed on RAWK and frankly rightly so given the difference between the two mediums and how easy it is to spout shyte on anonymous forums.

HighSix · « **Reply #2974 on:** May 14, 2012, 05:56:32 PM »

Was in the keep Kenny camp till I heard all that! Really not sure now... great show.

redrave · « **Reply #2975 on:** May 14, 2012, 05:57:20 PM »

Well that was liberating. Lovely to hear this properly discussed away from gobshite journalists and the confrontational bile that sometimes creeps on here. Still not a clue where I stand though...

Upinsmoke · « **Reply #2976 on:** May 14, 2012, 06:00:02 PM »

Very good listen, interesting arguments for and against Kenny. I'm in the "whatever decision taken will be a risk". Top work anyway.

bldwalsh · « **Reply #2977 on:** May 14, 2012, 06:08:14 PM »

Quote from: KirkVanHouten on May 14, 2012, 05:51:47 PM

Tone of this podcast caught me by surprise a bit. Tend to agree with the view that we should give Kenny next season. Mainly because I actually have no confidence in anyone involved at the club making the right decision when it comes to things like this. Whether that be transfers or the Suarez affair, I have almost no faith in the club making the correct decision.

Mate i know you said mainly but if thats one of the reasons you want the manager to stay its not very good. To be fair a decision has to be made one way or another. I honestly can't make my mind up. If you listen to what Kenny has said in relation to last summers transfers and couple that with the way the team has played a fair percentage of fans would let him go. The because he is Kenny argument has to also put to one side. (not that you said that). This decision is like the Rafa one. In that i mean it's going to rip the fan base apart again if he gets the sack. Some serious thinking for the higher end of the club.

EDIT: the podcast was fantastic by the way. If on off or either way of the fence every LFC fan should listen to that

Red_Isle_Chap · « **Reply #2978 on:** May 14, 2012, 06:12:01 PM »

Fantastic again from the lads. I think that's probably the best one since the Suarez ones if i'm honest. So well discussed about the managerial seat at Liverpool, no disrespecting and no knobheaddishness.

Top work lads!

Regi · « **Reply #2979 on:** May 14, 2012, 06:24:51 PM »

Really good stuff again on that podcast.
No exaggeration to say it is essential listening for all Reds.

Red_Isle_Chap · « **Reply #2980 on:** May 14, 2012, 06:25:57 PM »

Quote from: Regi on May 14, 2012, 06:24:51 PM

Really good stuff again on that podcast.
No exaggeration to say it is essential listening for all Reds.

Totally agree Regi, everyone should be giving it a listen.

Zaffarious · « **Reply #2981 on:** May 14, 2012, 06:33:56 PM »

fantastic stuff

Captain Marko Ramius · « **Reply #2982 on:** May 14, 2012, 06:38:16 PM »

So true about the "we're playing blackjack and do we stick or twist on 16."

Certainly how it feels. Very, very important summer and I'm filled with confidence we're going to have a blinder in all departments.

royhendo · « **Reply #2983 on:** May 14, 2012, 06:44:15 PM »

It really was top drawer. Provoked all kinds of emotions too.

Stanfo · « **Reply #2984 on:** May 14, 2012, 06:47:09 PM »

First time I've listened to a full episode and really enjoyed it, it's just a shame issues such as this seem so hard to do on forums such as this.

Garcepticon · « **Reply #2985 on:** May 14, 2012, 06:49:54 PM »

I liked the discussions but I didn't agree with too many conclusions. As, I think, Kris said, can we trust the people at the club to pick a replacement who is better than Kenny? I really don't think so, moreover, without a proper CEO and DOF, Kenny is hardly working in the best conditions. If he hadn't had to focus so much energy on the Suarez affair I'm sure he would have done a better job. People talk about how the Suarez affair affected Suarez and subsequent performances - but no allowances are made for the manager. He was an easy target in a case of alleged racism, the whole country was taking potshots at him. If we had a CEO and DOF taking the stress of that away, I'm sure he could have got more out of the squad.

Furthermore, I agree with Jim Boardman's point, I agreed with his argument that we are constantly panicking about falling behind adds undue pressure to the team. Look at what happened to Newcastle, they essentially played the entire season with no pressure. Liverpool have it differently because our expectations are so wildly out of sync with the squad. We need to take Kenny's words to heart, take each game as it comes and see where we are at the end of the season. We didn't do that this season, we constantly panicked about where we would be, how far we fell behind and how this season would be the last chance to get back into the top four etc etc.

Sick of the expectations which do no good for our club.

HarleyKewell7 · « **Reply #2986 on:** May 14, 2012, 06:53:07 PM »

Being honest, I knew about the opening question a while before I sat down to listen to the podcast and my initial assumption was that it was going to be an hours worth of rose-tinted glasses on why Kenny should stay. As someone who thinks Kenny should stand down, and I won't go into why in this thread, it was refreshing to hear such an intense topic being discussed sensibly and with the manner of respect that it deserves.

Been a listener for a good few weeks now and it certainly scratches a weekly footballing itch, so keep up the great work.

Sevo · « **Reply #2987 on:** May 14, 2012, 06:56:49 PM »

It's episodes like this that give TAW such credibility. It would have been all too easy to accept the status quo, bow to Kenny's greatness and say "Yes. let's keep him, he's a true legend". However we were reated to a mature, passionate and sensible debate about the most problematic of decisions. I was surprised that there was not more support for Kenny and no real discussion about Rafa. Still, a totally excellent episode - thanks.

Stussy · « **Reply #2988 on:** May 14, 2012, 06:59:43 PM »

Wow. Five minutes in. I think things getting aired is needed even if only to repudiate them.

Number 7 · « **Reply #2989 on:** May 14, 2012, 07:01:53 PM »

I never fail to listen. Haven't listened to today's one but had a question about the summer.

Will there be a podcast during the US tour?

Hightown Phil · « **Reply #2990 on:** May 14, 2012, 07:08:14 PM »

Quote from: Number 7 on May 14, 2012, 07:01:53 PM

I never fail to listen. Haven't listened to today's one but had a question about the summer.

Will there be a podcast during the US tour?

You'll find the answer to that on today's podcast.

SalisburyRed · « **Reply #2991 on:** May 14, 2012, 07:12:55 PM »

Good stuff, everyone. Proof that even the most sensitive of topics can be discussed sensibly.

Kloofster · « **Reply #2992 on:** May 14, 2012, 07:33:16 PM »

I listened with an open mind. I was disappointed noone was able to structure a coherent argument as to why Kenny should stay - beyond "its Kenny Dalglish"; therein lies the reason why he must go.

My own suspicion is that if he stays its because FSG are looking to sell - which I wholly expect they are. And let the new owners decide what they want to do.

The most erudite contribution came from Nick at the start. He won the motion. In fact you only need listen to the first 5 minutes of the podcast!

I now find myself contemplating the return of Rafa. Give him 5 years. What a very pleasant thought.

BirdBrain · « **Reply #2993 on:** May 14, 2012, 07:46:40 PM »

Good listening again. The tension was palpable! Those silences. I think this was always going to be the case when things got tough with a club legend, and all the emotion that carries, at the helm.

Stussy · « **Reply #2994 on:** May 14, 2012, 07:57:42 PM »

The most important, and the best TAW yet.

The most important use of an hour of your time, any Red not on it yet.

L6 Red · « **Reply #2995 on:** May 14, 2012, 07:58:51 PM »

All your comments are so kind. Thank you.

Regi · « **Reply #2996 on:** May 14, 2012, 08:00:57 PM »

Quote from: L6 Red on May 14, 2012, 07:58:51 PM

All your comments are so kind. Thank you.

Good job you're sponsored by Kleenex...sounds like you need a few!

It was good to see the serious question addressed so candidly.
There are positives and negatives on both sides of the debate and they were expressed well

barnseysleftpeg · « **Reply #2997 on:** May 14, 2012, 08:02:36 PM »

Uncomfortable listening but excellent show once again.

I'm think I'm in the same place as the guy who said if Kenny stayed he could understand and see the reasoning behind it but, also conversely, if he stood down he'd think fair enough.

stevedo · « **Reply #2998 on:** May 14, 2012, 08:04:01 PM »

Quote from: Passmaster Molby on May 14, 2012, 05:38:29 PM

Well that was quite frank and honest.

Very good podcast, well done to those involved.

Indeed, one of the best. Brutal listen at times.

saint1969 · « **Reply #2999 on:** May 14, 2012, 08:10:48 PM »

Brilliant show, excellent points made.