Topic: Riots in the UK - Parliament recalled. 3 killed in B'ham (*)

[oddball]

Maybe if he hadn't of grown up in a shit hole of an environment where kids have carried knives and guns since before they were teenagers then he might not of. How many boxers or footballers have you heard who grew up in similar environments say that without boxing or football they would be in prison or dead.

Just because some people manage to get out of the ghetto's because of hard work or a god given talent doesn't mean we should leave the rest to live in a sea of shite. For decades we have had kids stabbing and shooting each other and we have just ignored it. Smash a few capitalist emporium's up and the likes of the Daily Mail are all over it like a rash.

Go out and take out your frustration on a looter shoot the bastards if you want but if you don't address the inequality in our society then the rest of them will just skulk off and have kids of their own and the vicious circle of violence will just get more vicious.

Trust me. Should it hit my neck of the woods and put me at fear for my daughters safty or should people want to protect our streets, I will do.

Do you not think that is utterly disproportionate. Again I ask whether people realise what the catalyst for all this is. Do you recall why hundreds of people marched to Tottenham police station on Thursday? They were demanding answers for the killing of someone by a police firearm.

Before any smartarse claims I'm justifying the behaviour of these rats, or trying to defend the fella shot on Thurs, let me be clear  I'm not. There are other ways and means though and I'm staggered a few of you are calling for more live rounds to be fired whilst being completely oblivious to the recent event that kick-started the violence.

Firstly mate, I dont believe for a second you are justifying the behaviour of this currant scum.In answer to you're question, yes I know what the catalyst was. And was there a PEACEFUL protest done for around a hour. Then later riots, of which the family said they were against. Then thousands of little scroats around the country decided they wanted to go on a rampage and whilst doing so, get some free things. To the normal of people, there is no rhyme or reason for this behaviour. They have no political motivation at all. thats my opinion.

[Golden_Child]

Should of said you would think about it, got her phone number, then shopped her to the police.

Yeah, you're right. I was just stunned at the surreal nature of it at the time.

[geoffstrong]

I'm pretty sure that is, in fact, exactly the correct protocol for an armed response team, except for the 'nicely' bit. Clear warnings, do not shoot unless either fired upon or believing there is no possibilty for a resolution without recourse to killing.

According to the eye-witness account printed in the standard of the shooting, Duggan was on the floor when he was shot. There is, as yet, no evidence whatsoever, no eye-witness, no credible statement, suggesting that Duggan threatened or posed a clear threat to the police.

That he had a gun, it seems, is fact. That he used it in such a way as to justify being shot? No evidence whatsoever - and in fact an eye-witness statement which suggests the complete opposite, that he was restrained and posed apparently no risk at all prior to being shot.

So are you trying to sugggest it was an execution then?

By asking nicely of course it would be give up your gun,  if he didnt why do you think he didnt?

If police kill anyone there is a major investigation and the event is taken apart piece by piece there is a code of conduct so if they didnt follow guidelines there will be further developments in the force!

As for witnesses allowing for this guys possible status and connections in the neighbourhood do you really think anyone living in that neighbourhood will come up and blacken his name?

I really get a bit miffed when it appears any lowlife dealer who is armed that gets themselves shot as he possibly did by not co-operating with given instructions, suddenly achieves sainthood!

Maybe its our culture but this would not be anymore than a 5 minute issue across the pond .

[Mouth]

Premier League may delay decision over opening weekend until Friday

The Premier League could delay until Friday its decision on whether the new season can start as scheduled this weekend.

The Premier League, Football League and the police have stated that they will offer a public assessment on Thursday as to whether matches will be played as planned following the riots that have taken place throughout the UK. However, they are now prepared to take more time over that decision, with the situation changing daily.

If more time is required a decision would have to be taken no later than Friday due to the logistics involved.

full story -

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/aug/10/premier-league-delay-decision-friday

Bastards! If the match is put off I'll feel like frigging rioting!

[hesbighesred]

You must concede its pretty unlikely there was any criminal or malicious intent behind the coppers killing Duggan? Whenever the police shoot someone there is automatically a PCC investigation. When you couple that with the fact that there were witnesses its clear that if the cop who shot him comitted a crime he will be found out...


The idea that the coppers could shoot someone in this country unlawfully and get away with it is highly dubious at best.

It would be dubious if it weren't, in fact, clearly and demonstrably a fact. 338 deaths in police custody since 1998. Not one conviction. NOT ONE.

Are you seriously, honestly telling me that no police officer bore direct responsibility for any of those 338 deaths, enough to warrant some kind of criminal conviction?

Do you think, for example, if 338 children had died in classrooms since 1998 that NOT ONE single teacher would be in prison for it now?

[Johnnyboy1973]

Maybe its our culture but this would not be anymore than a 5 minute issue across the pond .

No, it's our law.

[ghost1359]

Seconded. I love Britain, I love many of the people, big aspects of the culture. I love the climate, the landscape, the history and the coasts. But I totally agree with you, I can't fucking stand the horrible right wing reactionary Mailish streak running right through it and I increasingly don't want to live here, and I'm not convinced I ever want to have kids here either. Much better life if you're a Spanish teenager, for example, even though their economy is even more fucked than ours.

I think the problem actually is that a lot of the population are far too short term. They accuse the looters & rioters of wanting everything now & not being prepared to put the work in but then I garuntee as soon as this has all died down they won't spare a second thinking about how we're going to fix the problems that got us here in the first place.

My prediction? In the short term the riots will end, the government will introduce new 'tougher' policing measures to deal with the 'flagrant disregard of 'our' laws by a small wayward minority'. There will be more stop & search, more young people in prison, a crackdown on social media & the problems we already have will be made worse & will be forced further into the shadows & in 5 years time it'll all happen again, but worse. The same can be said about so much in this country it's not even funny, the drinking problem, the problem with teenage pregnancy rates, immigration. Everything.

All that ever happens is that Labour set out new policies, get halfway through actually managing to do something, then people get sick of Labour because the same old problems still exist, vote in the conservatives, they try to do things their way then people get sick of them because.....yeah, the same problems still exist, then Labour come back in, it all changes again. It's a fucking joke. As a society we need some cross party dialogue about the big issues in this country & some 20/30/40 year plans laid down as to how to deal with them but it won't happen. Not in my lifetime atleast.

[Alan_X]

We had decades of the Police and army cracking skulls in Northern Ireland and it achieved sweet FA. It wasn't until the underlying problems were addressed that things began to improve.

Exactly - why not bring back the suss laws and the Special Patrol Group? Never did anyone any harm...

[lachesis]

Again, where's your evidence  that people are avoiding custodial sentences that they should be getting, or that people who should be jailed are walking free?

The prisons are full because we ARE giving people custodial sentences, often for bullshit crimes that don't justify them...see Alan F's posts earlier.

Early releases to free up prison spaces are often reported, often in numbers approaching 500-1000.

I agree that prison sentences are issued wrongly in some cases, mainly for petty crime but there is also a cyclical release of prisoners that should be serving longer terms (these are reported as far back as 2006 from reputable sources like the Independent). Which means the fact we always have people in jail with revolving door policies are just exacerbating the real problem, supported by a report form the Ministry of Justice:

1. What has happened to the prison population since 1995?

Between 1995 and 2009, the prison population in England and Wales grew by
32,500 or 66%. Almost all of this increase took place within two segments of
the prison population – those sentenced to immediate custody (78% of the
increase) and those recalled to prison for breaking the conditions of their
release (16%).

[The Grinch]

No, you are totally and completely wrong. We went in there harder and cracked even more skulls. We cracked so many that the catholics and protestants all shook hands over a nice cup of tea, agreed to stop being so silly and all agreed on what a wonderful group of people the RUC were, and how glad they were of all those head injuries they'd received in learning their lessons.

A nice Cup of tea all around then and disband the Met and replace it with a Police Force that the people  of London can actually trust.

[Growler2]

You must concede its pretty unlikely there was any criminal or malicious intent behind the coppers killing Duggan? Whenever the police shoot someone there is automatically a PCC investigation. When you couple that with the fact that there were witnesses its clear that if the cop who shot him comitted a crime he will be found out.

If it turns out that Duggan was unlawfully killed I will be amazed if it was anything other than a tragic mistake.

The idea that the coppers could shoot someone in this country unlawfully and get away with it is highly dubious at best.

That is quite easily the most naive post I have ever read on here.

[Grobbelrevell]

I'm so disappointed in this country.

I hope you contact the police about that woman, mate.

Again, with parents like that around, it's no surprise where these lads are coming from.

[SMD]

Crime in general is dropping but gang violence and knife crime (committed by the types of people we are now banging up in large numbers) is on  the increase. As I said yesterday morning, this is a complex issue and one that needs complex and thoughtful solutions. Building more prisons will probably have the effect of broadening the numbers of the criminal underclass, disengaged and undeterred by the prospect of prison.

This is an interesting article from the Guardian  (note the date)

Knife crime and gang violence on the rise as councils reduce youth services

Gang crime is on the rise after what some experts, including the children's minister, call 'disproptionate cuts' to youth services

Alexandra Topping
guardian.co.uk, Friday 29 July 2011 14.20 BST

UK cities should brace themselves for a summer of gang and knife violence as the impact of cuts to youth services takes hold, experts are warning.

Youth violence is already increasing in London. Figures given to the Guardian reveal that serious youth violence increased by 4% year on year across the capital, with a 9.6% hike in knife crime.

There are fears that deep reductions in youth service budgets, particularly to programmes that divert inner-city youths away from gangs and knife crime, could have a devastating impact on crime levels.

Professor John Pitts, who advises several London local authorities on gangs and violent crime, warned that inner cities were likely to experience increased crime as the holidays begin.

"If you cut summer activities for young people as night follows day you will see an increase in crime," he said. "My anxiety is that those gang members who were in school will now be on the streets. Coupled with cuts to the services they use and fewer youth workers who can mediate, those streets will be a lot more dangerous and I would expect the level of crime and violence to rise."

Gang violence, including peer violence against girls and young women, is increasing, he said. "It is getting worse, it is becoming more embedded and more serious – this is not the time to be pulling the plug."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/jul/29/gang-violence-rises-as-councils-cut-youth-services

My point about the Daily Mail was this:

Public perception of crime higher despite falling figures, report says

Social Trends report shows two-thirds of people think crime is on rise, while statistics reveal it is at lowest level for 30 years

Alan Travis, Home affairs editor
guardian.co.uk, Thursday 4 August 2011 17.04 BST

A new Social Trends report shows that public perception of crime, especially knife and bank card fraud, contrasts with latest figures at lowest levels for 30 years. Photograph: Lewis Whyld/PA

Nearly two-thirds of people believe that crime in England and Wales is on the rise despite levels falling to their lowest for 30 years in 2010, according to official statistics.

The Office for National Statistics said the gap between public perception and reality was greatest for levels of knife crime and bank card fraud, and that this could reflect media concern about these two types of crime.

However, the newly-published Social Trends crime and justice chapter showed that the perception of crime at local level was much more in line with official crime figures, with only 28% reporting that crime in their local area had gone up.

That perception doesn't arise out of thin air. It's there because papers with a specific agenda like the Daily Mail, Express, S*n and other right-wing papers, as well as opportunist politicians (have a look at Tory scare stories on crime before the election) have created a situation where the perception of crime bears no relationship to the actual levels. it means we end up with a distorted justice system designed to tackle the wrong problems.

There's an interesting bit at the end of the same report:

The Social Trend report also revealed the profile of adult offenders going to prison in England and Wales last year.

Of this group, 48% have a reading age at or below the expected level of an 11-year-old, and 82% have a writing age at or below the level of an 11-year-old. More than 60% have drug problems, 44% need help with alcohol and 22% want help with mental health problems.

The report shows that crime levels in England and Wales in 2009/10 were at their lowest levels since the British crime survey began in 1981.

The fall in crime has coincided with a period when police funding in England and Wales has been at its highest recorded level – £12.6bn in 2009/10, 44% higher than in 1995/96.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/aug/04/public-perception-crime-higher

Increased police spending under Labour was a major reason for the improved crime statistics. But hey, Dave's big society will replace that money and everything's going to be fine....

We are following the American model and creating a criminal underclass constantly in and out of prison. No-one gave a fuck that we have a society that is generating more and more of these ignorant, feral thugs as long as they kept to their own areas and just knifed and fought each other in turf wars did they? It's only when they get together and start burning 'our stuff' that anyone gives a toss, and gets angry. Eight teenagers have been killed by gangs so far this year in London. It barely raises a mention these days because it's nothing to do with the rest of us.

Those articles aren't hang-wringing liberal special pleading after the event. They were both written days before this kicked off and show that the causes are entirely understandable and that the events of the last few days were entirely predictable.

But do carry on. Keep on getting angry about the wrong things - that's your right and privilege.

*edit - sorry if that sounds sanctimonious but I'm frustrated and pissed off that the things that might have helped prevent this are among the very things being cut and that the most likely outcome of these events is that it will hand c*nts like Cameron, Gove and co the chance to impose the wrong solutions including paying out billions in taxes to private prison companies.

It will cost more money and result in a society that is more unfair and more prone to this kind of violence. Result...

This is the result of Blairs broken Britain for years this shit has been goin on feral gutter rats uncontrolable, the PC brigade & Human Rights groups. Time to get tough with these bastards once and for all !!!!

Illustrative.

[hesbighesred]

So are you trying to sugggest it was an execution then?

By asking nicely of course it would be give up your gun,  if he didnt why do you think he didnt?

If police kill anyone there is a major investigation and the event is taken apart piece by piece there is a code of conduct so if they didnt follow guidelines there will be further developments in the force!

As for witnesses allowing for this guys possible status and connections in the neighbourhood do you really think anyone living in that neighbourhood will come up and blacken his name?

I really get a bit miffed when it appears any lowlife dealer who is armed that gets themselves shot as he possibly did by not co-operating with given instructions, suddenly achieves sainthood!

Maybe its our culture but this would not be anymore than a 5 minute issue across the pond .

You're talking like the Police's word on things is completely trustworthy. It isn't. The police have been proven to lie to make themselves look better over and over and over again.

Look a little closer to home for a clear example all of you should now about...Hillsbrough.

What happened there? 96 deaths eventually attributed via a comprehensive independent inquiry directly to the actions of the police. Initial 'police sources' putting the blame on the victims. Number of criminal convictions for the officers directly involved, and proven to be involved? None whatsoever.

So I'm not suggesting it was an 'execution', no, but I am suggesting it could have been a needless death/killing, one of many at the hands of the police, and that I will bet you, right now any amount of money you like that there will be no conviction for any police involved in the shooting no matter how damning the eventual facts (that we can get hold of) prove to be.

Again, there weren't any for Menezes, who was completely innocent, completely unarmed, did not act in any suspicious way whatsoever, received NO warning from police, was not wearing a rucksack and was thoroughly and comprehensively restrained before being shot, multiple times in the head, at point blank range.

The idea that proper checks and balances are in place when it comes to holding the police to account for their actions is very naive. Do your research on it, the reality is the exact opposite. If you're a cop and you kill someone the worst that's likely to happen to you is losing your job.

[oddball]

The trouble is that we don't really have anything to compare it with.

We don't know if going in with more force would be better or worse because theirs nothing compare it with.

I suspect it would work quicker in the short term, I also suspect it would cause far greater problems for the police in the future.

But mate, things need doing NOW, sorry, 4 days ago!

...are you going to explain to me exactly how the fuck Sweden works, what with it being so full of bleeding hearts, yet utterly devoid of bleeding people?

No mate Im not. Clearly you're right. Clearly the news I have been watching no-one else has seen. I seem to have this vivid imagination where there riots going on around the country. The sitting off them, that only happening in my mind is working as the youths go up to windows, and then just seem to stop, then turn and walk home to their Xbox's.

[red_mark1980]

It would be dubious if it weren't, in fact, clearly and demonstrably a fact. 338 deaths in police custody since 1998. Not one conviction. NOT ONE.

Are you seriously, honestly telling me that no police officer bore direct responsibility for any of those 338 deaths, enough to warrant some kind of criminal conviction?

Do you think, for example, if 338 children had died in classrooms since 1998 that NOT ONE single teacher would be in prison for it now?

So thats about 1 every other week - before jumping to conclusions I'd like some stats on the amount of time spent in police custody and the background of those dying opposed to those not dying.

The comparison with children is... as you know plainly stupid.

[zissou]

funny how everyone thinks these people are inately born to be stupid thieving scumbags and that's it. yes they are stupid thieving scumbags, but there is more to it than that. first of all our society is massively unfair, since the crash in 2008 the poor have got twice as poor while the rich have got twice as rich, they're situation is nothing compared to others around the world but it's a relative to within the society they live in. secondly our society bombards people with advertising and propaganda, it needs us to buy things we dont need, and this makes us work all our lives to afford these things, essentially like little robots. these kids are shown all this shit they HAVE to buy in order to be successful or cool or whatever qualities the product is shown to give, and they cant afford it. they're also disenfranchised from they're communities and don't feel apart of them as they're dismissed as the underclass, everyone thought they were scum prior to this didnt they? in a fair society these riots wouldnt happen. and dont all go thinking im supporting them, what theyre doing is utterly wrong and must be dealt with, but you have to see that this is all born of circumstance and once the rioting stops there has to be major changes. hopefully the recent econimic crisis gets bad enough to bring about a change too as capitalism got us here in the first place

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zf76wQXF_fw

[Andy @ Allerton]

I think the problem actually is that a lot of the population are far too short term. They accuse the looters & rioters of wanting everything now & not being prepared to put the work in but then I garuntee as soon as this has all died down they won't spare a second thinking about how we're going to fix the problems that got us here in the first place.

I think that is a problem right there.

Do you not think it's up to some of these people to take responsibility for themselves? Do they have to condescendingly be 'helped out' by others? Why can't they 'fix their own problems'?

You're talking about people with a brain and bodies. People with no disabilities. The first step to anyone being helped is them helping themselves (And not helping themselves to iPads).

Half of this 'people need to be helped' stuff is part of the problem. In the 70s or 80s people stood up and they worked hard and they stood together and worked together and wouldn't take hand-outs. If you have pride in yourself and your abilities and you use those abilities to help yourselves and help others then you're well on the way.

To 'fix the problem' we need to empower people, give them the tools to do things for themselves and more importantly give them the mindset to see helping others to be as import as helping themselves.


I've said this before, but Thatcher fucked all that up with ME!! ME!! ME!! ME!! ME!! ME!! ME!! ME!! ME!! ME!! ME!! ME!!

Fucking witch.

[oddball]

Oh I see, because that's the only alternative?

Either we accept that innocent people are going to get shot by the police or we'll have to end up in kind of real life version of Dawn of the Dead?

Why don't you actually go and read up a bit about crime, crime stats and alternative approaches to crime? Maybe then you'll be able to answer my question about Sweden.

Or maybe you could explain to me why it is that the United States has such massive problems even though they lock up even more people than we do?

Heres a idea, seeing as you keep banging on about Sweden and Holland.....

[Johnnyboy1973]

Look what appeasment did with Hitler???

By far and away one of the funniest comments on this thread.

[MBL?]

We had decades of the Police and army cracking skulls in Northern Ireland and it achieved sweet FA. It wasn't until the underlying problems were addressed that things began to improve.

Totally different situation. People there have a cause. You go out and use force against these people and it will end.

As for those suggesting live rounds

[hesbighesred]

– those sentenced to immediate custody (78% of the
increase) -

But if there's all these people avoiding custodial sentences that they're supposed to be getting, as you claimed, how exactly is it that nearly 4/5ths of the increase in the prison population came from new custodial sentences?

You were saying criminals have it 'consequence free'. Getting let out early from a custodial sentence isn't 'consequence free'. You've still been to prison...

[macca_no11]

HBHR and Alan_F bossing this thread.

+1

[oddball]

I'm an eternal optimist.

Hahahhaha. Think mine went out of date in '97

[oddball]

In all seriousness, I think it will be less in Liverpool tonight.

It going to rain heavily, the thought of getting their hair and clothes wet is probably enough to put most of the rioters off.  Sad but true.

I hope so mate, I truly do. And why is it the weather that has to "decide" things.....mad.

[JimmysHammer]

 and those recalled to prison for breaking the conditions of their
release (16%).

Saw some figures at a course i recently went on, going to prison is only the 3rd most stressful thing that an English person can experience.

[oddball]

true, how many more innocent lives will be ruined and people killed before we can use water balloons on them. I'll start filling some up now. that'll teach em.

Aye. Or maybe we should go to Ken Dodds and see if we can borrow some tickling sticks?

[hesbighesred]

But mate, things need doing NOW, sorry, 4 days ago!

No mate Im not. Clearly you're right. Clearly the news I have been watching no-one else has seen. I seem to have this vivid imagination where there riots going on around the country. The sitting off them, that only happening in my mind is working as the youths go up to windows, and then just seem to stop, then turn and walk home to their Xbox's.

But you're saying that this is CAUSED by society being too full of 'bleeding hearts.' Because we're too soft on them.

If that's true, dear Oddball, how the FUCK come societies that are much, much softer than us on their youths don't seem to have these problems?

You're not answering the question, you're avoiding it while repeating the obvious fact that people here are rioting. Well done. We all know that. Now engage with the issues!

[Johnnyboy1973]

does a peodophile deserve a PS3?

I was wrong. THIS is by far and away one of the funniest things in this thread.

[Slave]

So to sum up:

Crack skulls. More prison places. Sterilisation of the stupid. Bring back corporal punishment in schools. Reintroduce capital punishment. Make political correctness a crime. Work harder. Abolish the welfare state. Stop immigration.

Have I forgotten anything?

[JimmysHammer]

By far and away one of the funniest comments on this thread.

In retrospect, perhaps slight overkill?? 

[oddball]

Just been out walking the dog and I'm quite disturbed at what has been said to me while I was out.

One woman, in her 30's, with 3 sons under the age of 10 was asking me if I wanted an iPhone for £250 as she had a box full of them nicked from a phone shop in brum city centre. She said she could get trainers and tracksuits too. I politely declined as I didn't want to swear in front of the kids and she said "Well fuck you then, I'll shift them somewhere else."

20 minutes later I saw an old Irish guy who I've known all my life. Friendly and generally respectable bloke. He started quoting Enoch Powell and going on about how he hoped the 3 guys killed in Winson Green would spark a race war between the 'blacks & paki's".

I'm so disappointed in this country.

Wow! Mate, shop the bitch. That, thing, probably sent them kids out to get em!

[Andy @ Allerton]

So to sum up:

Crack skulls. More prison places. Sterilisation of the stupid. Bring back corporal punishment in schools. Reintroduce capital punishment. Make political correctness a crime. Work harder. Abolish the welfare state. Stop immigration.

Have I forgotten anything?

Your brain apparantly.

[INABITSKI]

Thread moving a lot since I last looked so apologies if already posted.

http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2011/08/london_riots_update.html

[JimmysHammer]

I was wrong. THIS is by far and away one of the funniest things in this thread.

But they get them mate.

[scared_person]

It would be dubious if it weren't, in fact, clearly and demonstrably a fact. 338 deaths in police custody since 1998. Not one conviction. NOT ONE.

Are you seriously, honestly telling me that no police officer bore direct responsibility for any of those 338 deaths, enough to warrant some kind of criminal conviction?

Do you think, for example, if 338 children had died in classrooms since 1998 that NOT ONE single teacher would be in prison for it now?

I think you're slightly moving the goalposts there. I've not heard anyone say that deaths in police custody are the reason for the riots. Now I've no doubt that you're right, and that some of the deaths you speak of were the fault of bad policemen. How many would be pure speculation by either of us.

The fact that there are bad eggs does not mean that the police are a bad institution. Society is always a trade off between safety and security on the one hand, and civil liberties on the other. I think we all accept that a police force with more legal powers than an ordinary citizen is necessary for a functioning society. While I'm not saying our force is perfect, its probably better than many others in the world and I imagine even in the idylic liberal paradises of the scandinavian countries there will be bent coppers. Are you arguing that our police force is inherently rotten to the core?

That was miles off topic though. The main point I was making is that the armed police would have absolutely no chance with getting away with executing an unarmed man. The level of scrutiny of the armed police is simply too great. If there is any wrongdoing found I would bet my bottom dollar it will be a tragic mistake. Are you suggesting that there is something more sinister happening?

[Alan_X]

Maybe its our culture but this would not be anymore than a 5 minute issue across the pond .

Cincinatti 2001 says different - 4 days of rioting...

[Ziltoid]

For those not au fait with Special Patrol Group quoted by Alan F some posts back, here's a pic

[Slave]

Your brain apparantly.

They've all been proposed in this thread.

[Johnnyboy1973]

But they get them mate.

Really. Tell me Jimmy, how do you get to have such a working knowledge of the privileges bestowed upon convicted paedophiles?

As an aside I fail to see the correlation between that statement and the riots or indeed Hitler.