Topic: Riots in the UK - Parliament recalled. 3 killed in B'ham (*)

[Bondred]

Look at cameron prancing round the street with the high ranking copper, bet that fucking copper was no where near the action last night.

If the news says one more time that it has interrupted the PM's holiday I am going to shoe the fuck out of my TV.

I DONT CARE ABOUT YOUR FUCKING HOLIDAY YOU TWAT.

[aggerdoo]

The stupidity of 'people'.

All of this began because of gang member (fact), who sold drugs (fact), was shot dead whilst carrying an illegal firearm (fact).



R.I.P - criminal.

his girlfriend should be punished for her interview on bbc aswell. she made these riots worse by saying "blame the police". blame your boyfriends lifestyle first

[Juan Loco]

Cardiff? Maybe.

Swansea though. Im surprised they haven't joined in. Shocked actually. Surely they must be feeling left out -_-

Ahh, it'd be great down here. A riot and regeneration all in one fell swoop of outrage.

There's no meaning behind these riots other than "I want some new [insert lootable goods here]"

I feel that's dangerous thinking. That might be what's keeping them going... but if there was nothing behid these riots beyond that then we'd have riots every week down here.

[kelevra]

Met police considering plastic bullets. About time

[redbyrdz]

without wanting to be attacked I just want to ask why are everybody against these riots??  Riots can be a good thing too if the circumstances are right.

I confess to not knowing the real reasons for this one tho so if anyone could enlighten me?!

They trash the communities they are living in - the small shops, people's cars, the buses they need to get to work. They set fire to shops with people's flats above them, in the middle of the night.

There isn't really a political element to the riots, they are not against something, they just go out because they can and because its exciting and something out of the norm.


Also, Britain doesn't have a revolutionary tradition. Things here have changed mostly through politics and parliament, only very rarely because of protests and uprising in the streets.

[Kite]

Might have been posted already, but I've just heard the two girls talking about why they're doing it. Mental, just bloody mental:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14458424

That is the level of intelligence and motivation you are dealing with.  Lazy little bastards with a massive sense of self entitlement who just want free stuff. 

Anyone starting to talk about peoples communities being ruined, kids having no future, blah, blah,blah.  Listen to that.  These aren't kids fighting a cause, its scum on the rob.

[fudge]

people saying we should sympathise with these scumbags are encouraging them imo. i don't give a shit how little they tried in school or how poor they are or  how little aspirations they have, not in a million years should people say stuff like "oh i see where they're coming from". a lad got shot and thousands of scumbags around the country, black and white, have just jumped on the bandwagon to cause a bit of trouble just like the student peaceful protests when people who obviously weren't going to uni turned up for a fight.

the bottom line for me is that people aren't scared of the police or jail anymore because all they can do is lock people up and then probably get let out early anyway. the police should be given a license to attack groups tonight imo before the police start getting injured badly

i haven't seen anyone who's said we should sympathise?

[Bioluminescence]

Agree. I was furious about the BBC coverage last night. It was dreadful.

I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who was left baffled by their coverage last night. No one I know saw it, I was starting to believe I'd imagined it.

[lachesis]

Unverified google map of incidents in Liverpool as they happen:

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps/ms?msid=211274847293352007810.0004aa084b2d6edef32e6&msa=0&ll=53.397494,-2.96633&spn=0.009391,0.018797

[Diomedieocre]

Well duh!!! You dont even understand how rich you can be by owning a local fast food restaurant....Billions to be made every quarter.

Wow, I dont even know those girls speaking and I am embarrassed for them.

Thick as fuck mate, they have the world at thier feet...the most cosmipolitan city in the world at thier doorsteps and they are all screaming foul. 

[sinnermichael]

Cameron in Croydon must be stunned. He's never seen houses without an estate and gardens.

[eddymunster]

You can tell the kids are off school.

You reckon most of these kids regularly bother to go to school then?

[Bondred]

People need to stop looking for a particular reason as to why this is happening. It has been brewing for years in this country, you can say "it's just yobs looking for an excuse" they don't need an excuse, years of repression and slums have gievn them the excuse, years of the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer have given them the excuse, years of persecuting people for where they live or what colour they are has given them an excuse, years of being undervalued and ignored has given them the excuse.

Yes there may be mindless thugs currently on the streets of our country tearing it apart, but, and I keep saying it, it has been coming for years. I am shocked that people are shocked by it.

It doesn't matter what the key event was that led to this, it was always going to happen, the event that triggered it was just the straw that broke the camels back, nothing more.

And as usual when faced with a national crisis it has taken the government 3 days to decide to come back from holiday, it has taken 3 days to deploy extra police, it has taken 3 days and they are still not cracking down on it hard. Yet as soon as something happens abroad we are there with aid, money, troops etc in a flash to make our country look good.

When the fallout is over the PM should be sacked, the government removed and the head of the Met sacked. A strong message needs to be sent to show them that they have let the people down yet again.

Tonights action needs to be hard, swift and brutal to bring it to an end, if this doesn't happen then it will spread further around the country and vigilantes will take the law into their own hands and start hurting people, then they will get prosecuted!!!

The government then need to take a long hard look and try and work out why this happened, I will be willing to go and point out why it happened if they struggle, which they will.

[Noelle]

his girlfriend should be punished for her interview on bbc aswell. she made these riots worse by saying "blame the police". blame your boyfriends lifestyle first

Well she's not exactly going to say "My boyfriend was a skeevy c*nt who got what he deserved" now is she? Not saying he necessarily deserved to get shot but I don't have all the details.

[Red Beret]

It's fair to go for the rioters.  Fact is the politicians from all parties have brought this kind of crap down on us though, through years of social neglect. 

We've had a lot of regeneration but imo leaders have tried to build top down instead of from ground up.  We have a brand new city centre which I'm very proud of but the fact is there's still a shocking underinvestment in social infrastructure and when budget cuts bite it's the social and community support that's usually the first thing to go.

Rioting bellends aside I'm sure many ordinary people are angry to see greedy people always taking more than they could ever hope to need and essentially laughing at us whilst they're doing it.  There's more than enough money and resources to fix most of the problems in this country but it's all concentrated in the hands a few greedy barstards who wont give it up.  Riots wont solve the the problems though; it will just trash what progress has been made.

[redpirate]

Lets remember who is doing the rioting and looting, is it widespread across many demographics of british people.  No, is it bollocks.  Its hoody little vile yobs who probably are involved in some criminal activity normally.  This isn't Dave the mild mannered geography teacher taking to the streets.

And there is a level of organisation involved, so I would imagine that gangs known to each other are involved.

On the BBC website they state that there were disturbances last night in Oxford. Not exactly yob central is it? What's the demographic of that area then?

[firing squad]

in that case,like I said:

no excuse then.

[TipTopKop]

Dear All

Obviously we have all been very distressed by the recent events that have been taking place across London.  It was with regret that tomorrow’s game with Holland was called off, but the guidance we received from the Met Police, the Government and Brent Council was very clear.  Our first priority must always be the safety and security of supporters and participants and the police and the emergency services were not able to provide the required assurances to guarantee that safety.  For all those involved in preparation for the match I would like to thank you for your efforts and I am sure it is an experience that will be invaluable as we plan ahead for the many more exciting events to come this year.

I also want to take a moment to reassure you that I and the Management team are also well aware that these events will be impacting on many of your personal lives.  Again your safety and security is our number one priority.  Please, as appropriate, talk to your line managers about what actions you may need to take to ensure you are able to manage your personal arrangements over the next few days with peace of mind.

Kind regards
Alex

Alex Horne | General Secretary

[Robotforaday]

people saying we should sympathise with these scumbags are encouraging them imo. i don't give a shit how little they tried in school or how poor they are or  how little aspirations they have, not in a million years should people say stuff like "oh i see where they're coming from". a lad got shot and thousands of scumbags around the country, black and white, have just jumped on the bandwagon to cause a bit of trouble just like the student peaceful protests when people who obviously weren't going to uni turned up for a fight.

the bottom line for me is that people aren't scared of the police or jail anymore because all they can do is lock people up and then probably get let out early anyway. the police should be given a license to attack groups tonight imo before the police start getting injured badly

I wouldn't say it's about sympathising, it's about trying to understand. Because if you don't, you're doomed to see repetitions of this.

As for whether people are "scared of the police", I think a lack of respect for discipline and authority is part of the picture here, but we need to take a longer term view by getting at all the root causes.. That's not "encouraging them", it's just trying to look towards a proper solution rather than a temporary fix.

[cezred]

The stupidity of 'people'.

All of this began because of gang member (fact), who sold drugs (fact), was shot dead whilst carrying an illegal firearm (fact).



R.I.P - criminal.

Careful now, some of us knew the lad. No need to spit on his grave.

[Fanxxxxtastic]

[Kite]

People need to stop looking for a particular reason as to why this is happening. It has been brewing for years in this country, you can say "it's just yobs looking for an excuse" they don't need an excuse, years of repression and slums have gievn them the excuse, years of the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer have given them the excuse, years of persecuting people for where they live or what colour they are has given them an excuse, years of being undervalued and ignored has given them the excuse.

Yes there may be mindless thugs currently on the streets of our country tearing it apart, but, and I keep saying it, it has been coming for years. I am shocked that people are shocked by it.

It doesn't matter what the key event was that led to this, it was always going to happen, the event that triggered it was just the straw that broke the camels back, nothing more.

What a load of nonsense.  I come from a council estate, I've seen many other council estates.  Now is that what you're referring to as slums, as thats the lowest class of housing available in the his country, and although not pretty they are a million miles away from a slum.

Years of repression, I'm at a loss to understand what country you live in or are desribing but it certainly isn't Britain.

[Noelle]

On the BBC website they state that there were disturbances last night in Oxford. Not exactly yob central is it? What's the demographic of that area then?

Well it's not like every citizen of Oxford is a mild-mannered intellectual, is it? Could be a few twats from the country decided to head into town. More to loot, more to burn.

[redpirate]

Rational word doesnt permiate the minds of folks who damage their own communities to loot material goods.

Silly logic really...they think the community has done nothing for them, so they don't really give a damn about the commnunity.

[Diomedieocre]

Careful now, some of us knew the lad. No need to spit on his grave.

"Live by the sword, die by the sword."

Good riddance.

[sinnermichael]

Strathclyde Police: 16-year-old boy detained in Glasgow on suspicion of trying to encourage riots via Facebook.

[firing squad]

Careful now, some of us knew the lad. No need to spit on his grave.

well, was he a drug dealer who carried an illegal weapon or not?

[hoonin]

What's that all about then? Socially aware rioters who clean up their mess afterwards

[El_Pistolero]

Mate just told me his mum's been sent home from work, apparently loads gathered at Victoria Square in Brum.

[Kite]

On the BBC website they state that there were disturbances last night in Oxford. Not exactly yob central is it? What's the demographic of that area then?

Its the exact same demographic. You don't think Oxford has its share of teenage hoodies ?

[b_joseph]

The video of that injured boy being mugged is heartbreaking.

[Johnnyboy1973]

well, was he a drug dealer who carried an illegal weapon or not?

Who gives a fuck?

Relevant question really is, did he shoot at police?

If not, why wasn't he arrested for illegal possession of a firearm?

[Growler2]

Well it's not like every citizen of Oxford is a mild-mannered intellectual, is it? Could be a few twats from the country decided to head into town. More to loot, more to burn.

Blackbird Leys mate, as bad an area as anywhere, its not all Mortar Boards and Inspector Morse.

[nyujvary]

Who gives a fuck?

Relevant question really is, did he shoot at police?

If not, why wasn't he arrested for illegal possession of a firearm?

Really with this?

Who's to say he didn't reach for the firearm?

[greenone]

What a load of nonsense.  I come from a council estate, I've seen many other council estates.  Now is that what you're referring to as slums, as thats the lowest class of housing available in the his country, and although not pretty they are a million miles away from a slum.

Years of repression, I'm at a loss to understand what country you live in or are desribing but it certainly isn't Britain.

This. I have seen shit housing and (semi)derelict housing  but I have never seen a slum in this country.

[eddymunster]

What's that all about then? Socially aware rioters who clean up their mess afterwards

Clean up volunteers crew in Clapham Junction according to BBC

[GBF]

Mate just told me his mum's been sent home from work, apparently loads gathered at Victoria Square in Brum.

great!  that is in the middle of my way home

[Bioluminescence]

The video of that injured boy being mugged is heartbreaking.

And it gets worse the more you see it. I really hope that guy is caught

[Fanxxxxtastic]

What's that all about then? Socially aware rioters who clean up their mess afterwards

It's a Tweeter campaign called #riotcleanup where people turn up to try to help clear up the mess after a riot.

[firing squad]

Who gives a fuck?

Relevant question really is, did he shoot at police?

If not, why wasn't he arrested for illegal possession of a firearm?

true but the other poster pointed out that saying this guy was a drug dealer who carried an illegal weapon was "spitting on his grave" which,if true clearly isn't the case. If true, it was just pointing out the facts.